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US Test Trials White-Merrill .45 Caliber Pistol

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One of the domestic US made pistols entered in the US military pistol trials of 1907 was this White-Merrill design. It is particularly interesting because White and Merrill submitted a manual along with the gun, which describes some of their intentions and thought processes in developing the pistol.
White and Merrill recognized that they were competing against the revolvers then in service with the US military, and specifically tried to give their semiauto pistol all the capabilities of a revolver - things like being openable with one hand, easily able to check the number of cartridges loaded, and having sights fixed to the barrel. This resulted in some unique features, like the firing-hand charging lever, which allowed the gun to carried completely safely with an empty chamber, but still easily put into action with just one hand.
Unfortunately, while it had a bunch of innovation and clever elements, the design was not competitive. In the 110-round endurance test, it suffered 40 malfunctions of various types. That, of course, resulted in it being dropped from competition. White and Merrill would go on to design a better (presumably) pistol in 1911, but it was never actually sent to the military for testing.
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@kiril451
@kiril451 7 жыл бұрын
God, the 1907 trials are just a goldmine of interesting designs.
@robertgiggie6366
@robertgiggie6366 7 жыл бұрын
unfortunately companies just don't take risks and come up with new designs anymore, almost everything is "like a glock" or "basically so and so made a HiPower".that's why my favorite pistol is my hk p9s, it is the only roller delayed blowback pistol (I think) and their use of a multifunction lever is brilliant.
@UraniumReaperActual
@UraniumReaperActual 7 жыл бұрын
Kiril Kovaljeff they really were... heck the whole two or three decades leading up to the end of the Great War were rife with amazing weapon designs and developments. I wish I could get a reproduction C93 Borchardt because the thing is amazingly unique and looks so cool to me. If dreams came true, I'd want it chambered in FN 5.7 just so I could use it as a carbine as well haha
@Isaac-ho8gh
@Isaac-ho8gh 6 жыл бұрын
Robert Giggie exactly! I don't get it either and hopefully one day, I try to do some business with a few gun inventions I thought of.. Especially a pretty simple self-loading action I thought of.
@abramsatwo2515
@abramsatwo2515 5 жыл бұрын
Kimber must have hired the same engineers. About the same failure issues
@claudiodiaz9752
@claudiodiaz9752 4 жыл бұрын
@@robertgiggie6366 Because when they do, they are usually ridiculed. Also, novel ideas are expensive to develop, market and too risky, not only because people might not buy it (there's a big difference between likingand actually buying), but also new laws can come and destroy the product. Companies will keep giving what the customer want to buy.
@Gapeagle
@Gapeagle 7 жыл бұрын
Man, now I feel sorry for the developers of this. It looks really cool and a nice pistol that has had lots of hard work put in it just to fail so spectacularly. Must have been disheartening, but then again, I'm sure it's just part of the business.
@jkerman5113
@jkerman5113 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, poor guys, they just wanted to make a nice gun :(
@ILikeToLaughAtYou
@ILikeToLaughAtYou 4 жыл бұрын
My Great-Great Grandfather was Joseph White. Talking to my Great-grandmother many years ago, she said she remembers him being far from happy for a few months, but she didn’t know why (she was so young). He was never a purely joyous individual, but that time period stood out to her as a low point for him.
@Baddiework
@Baddiework 4 жыл бұрын
At least he didn’t indirectly kill millions of people like John Browning
@ILikeToLaughAtYou
@ILikeToLaughAtYou 4 жыл бұрын
Adam Versteegh what? What the fuck are you talking about?
@Baddiework
@Baddiework 4 жыл бұрын
Guns kill people m8
@planeflyer21
@planeflyer21 7 жыл бұрын
The worst thing about these prototype videos is that it makes me want to recreate these prototypes, then perfect their unique operation. Thanks, Ian!
@jackmcslay
@jackmcslay 7 жыл бұрын
far ahead of it's time. At least the charging handle deserves a modern equivalent, both for disabled people and safely carrying unchambered
@willtipton100
@willtipton100 5 жыл бұрын
I would love that because I'm always holding my phone watching forgotten weapons, and i dont wanna have to put it down in a firefight just to charge my pistol ;)
@htchd1htchd149
@htchd1htchd149 4 жыл бұрын
This totally gave me an idea on how to make a modern version of the cocking device.i think itd be awesome if all u had to do to rack it would be a little charging piece right in fron of the trigger guard all u have to do is extend your trigger finger squeeze back and your ready to roll.I wonder if anyone has ever tried the concept already on a modern pistol ?get ian to look into it lol
@KnocKoffReviews
@KnocKoffReviews 4 жыл бұрын
Norinco made the M77b which has a similar feature.
@vthegoose
@vthegoose 3 жыл бұрын
@@htchd1htchd149 so the rhinemetall eihand?
@hbowlan
@hbowlan 3 жыл бұрын
Right? Surprising we haven't seen more of that feature.
@MegaZakks
@MegaZakks 7 жыл бұрын
the one handed charging function looks really cool actually. I know a guy at my local club that has a disability that keeps him from using one of his hands. I think he would find that really useful.
@Mibit911
@Mibit911 2 жыл бұрын
There are some old Spanish Pistols that have this same design that aren't too hard to find
@Mibit911
@Mibit911 2 жыл бұрын
You can get on in 9mm for around 500 it's call a jo lo ar
@LHoner-uw1jm
@LHoner-uw1jm 7 жыл бұрын
I think the arrows on the magazine go together with the markings on the clear magazine well cover and indicate how many rounds are left in the gun.
@KenworthW900HG
@KenworthW900HG 7 жыл бұрын
Genius
@Fu3R4
@Fu3R4 7 жыл бұрын
I was going to say, makes the most sense.
@spairus4492
@spairus4492 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, so that way the "1" marking on the handle will mean you have one in the chamber, instead of one extra, which you can't see from the outside.
@jtday92
@jtday92 7 жыл бұрын
Beat me to it!
@donjuilogulfcitybikertrash1209
@donjuilogulfcitybikertrash1209 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@lucidnonsense942
@lucidnonsense942 7 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised the single hand cocking level hasn't been marketed to the one handed / dual wielding shooter market....
@notpulverman9660
@notpulverman9660 7 жыл бұрын
Lucid Nonsense not a big market
@mordecaieagle4240
@mordecaieagle4240 7 жыл бұрын
Detective John Kimble More like people who like John Woo movies.
@Jorvard
@Jorvard 7 жыл бұрын
You know, you can disagree with people without being offensive...
@HolmWrecker
@HolmWrecker 7 жыл бұрын
Free speech is specifically FOR offensive speech. Freedom doesn't care about anyone's feelings.
@maciejpociecha6357
@maciejpociecha6357 7 жыл бұрын
Detective John Kimble whooooosh.....
@OvertravelX
@OvertravelX 7 жыл бұрын
Watching these videos, I'm consistently impressed with the quality of the machining from 100+ years ago.
@betulaobscura
@betulaobscura 5 жыл бұрын
Check out some old pocket watches mechanisms as well. You will be impressed even more!
@jonmeray713
@jonmeray713 4 жыл бұрын
Ignorant. These guys usually ran 5-10 machines at a time during production.
@hbowlan
@hbowlan 3 жыл бұрын
And some of them still fire! You can't understate the quality machining of a gun that lasts a century or more.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonmeray713 a lot of it is much higher quality than 99%of the garbage turned out these days.
@ILikeToLaughAtYou
@ILikeToLaughAtYou 4 жыл бұрын
My Great-Great grandfather was Joseph White! Thank you so much for sharing this! Wish I could’ve seen it in person. I’d like to get my hands on one someday knowing my relationship with the pistol.
@da_poopoo_dealer3152
@da_poopoo_dealer3152 2 жыл бұрын
That’s definitely something to be proud of
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek Жыл бұрын
free speech + thin blue line? that makes no sense! xD
@ILikeToLaughAtYou
@ILikeToLaughAtYou Жыл бұрын
@@Ass_of_AmalekSure it does. I’m a deputy, as was my grandfather who was killed in the line of duty, and I believe in the first amendment. What’s your quarrel?
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek Жыл бұрын
@@ILikeToLaughAtYou thin blue line ideology is about putting cops above the law and in control of government. it's advocacy for a police state, and fundamentally antidemocratic.
@jameshart3879
@jameshart3879 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Awesome!
@TheNotrussian
@TheNotrussian 7 жыл бұрын
Im suprised someone is selling this, you would think that they would have all these trial guns in a museum.
@goombakiwi
@goombakiwi 7 жыл бұрын
Vro , A lot of items that you see in museums; are actuallyprivately owned pieces on loan. When WA state passed background checks for all gun transfers; museums had to hurray and return guns back to the owners before being saddled with the expense of proving that the original owners were allowed to have their guns back. (stupid law)
@billtree52
@billtree52 6 жыл бұрын
"It belongs in a museum!"
@icearcher2936
@icearcher2936 5 жыл бұрын
@@goombakiwi I have to make sure the people I'm selling a gun to aren't criminals yeah what a stupid law
@johannesgh90
@johannesgh90 5 жыл бұрын
@@icearcher2936 I think he was more referring to the fact that it, like many regulations, is written so badly that it covers giving back a firearm to it's actual owner. Besides that it actually is a pretty stupid law. 1. Just because you've broken a law doesn't mean you don't have the right to protect yourself. 2. Just because you haven't broken a law doesn't mean you're not dangerous or evil. 3. The most dangerous criminals would presumably be the ones that get away with it and are therefore not recognized as such. 4. Writing stupid and too restrictive laws (rightly) undermines people's respect for the law, meaning the black market will be more tolerated. 5. I wouldn't sell someone a gun I got a bad vibe from and millions of years of evolution resulting in that intuition is more reliable than any set of formal rules. 6. Fuck you. Don't tell me what to do.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 4 жыл бұрын
@@johannesgh90 Exactly! Well said! And anyone who uses their brain and thinks, will agree also!
@DrSid42
@DrSid42 7 жыл бұрын
In 1907 this must have felt like sci-fi ..
@SeraphinaPZ
@SeraphinaPZ 7 жыл бұрын
That plastic window to see inside the mag is amazing for 1907. I'm not a gun person, but far as I know the idea of a clear mag has been underappreciated.
@joevidya
@joevidya 7 жыл бұрын
It's when automatic pistols were being taken seriously and starting to replace revolvers. Even the crude automatics at the time were still sci fi.
@spiff2268
@spiff2268 6 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with that clear grip, though, is it would've gotten really scratched up as time went by.
@goldendash1527
@goldendash1527 6 жыл бұрын
DrSid42 just like rail guns and caseless ammo today
@hedgeenemy1587
@hedgeenemy1587 3 жыл бұрын
indeed the first synthetic plastic, bakelite was developed the same year as this pistol. it seems unlikely that an experimental plastic was installed on an experimental weapon developed in the same year. natural plastics wouldn't have endured this long, and bakelite, afaik, wasn't clear. it was also brittle and moreso over time. I second the notion that the plastic window is not from the time period. in fact, it looks like modern plastic
@Clipazine
@Clipazine 5 жыл бұрын
I really wish the one handed charging concept would make a return in modern semi-automatic handguns.
@alexbarnett8541
@alexbarnett8541 3 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how consistent Ians older videos are with his most recent ones. If you go back and watch most KZfaq channels the older videos are significantly worse in comparison.
@calebnation6155
@calebnation6155 2 жыл бұрын
I love clicking on a video that looks current and him saying it’s for the rock island 2015 auction
@frisk3320
@frisk3320 Жыл бұрын
i did really thought that this was a recent video until i check the date lol
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 4 жыл бұрын
Re: that front hook on the trigger: it appears the trigger has an oval-shaped pivot hole on a round pin; this allows the trigger to not only pivot--but to also move rearward under spring tension to engage the sear and trip the disconnector. I think that hook grabs the casting in the grip frame to prevent overstressing the pivot pin and causing premature wear. In other words, two points of pressure instead of one to distribute the load.
@ImpulseResearch
@ImpulseResearch 3 ай бұрын
I think the front hook (from reading the patent) is a trigger safety of sorts. The hammer drops when the front of the slide/breech block moves down, so to stop this from happening from being bumped down, the trigger is kept forward (pin at rear of slot in trigger) and that hook blocks the front of the slide from going down until the trigger is pulled back (and the pin moves to the front of the slot) and that hook moves rearwards out of the way. That White fellow was quite clever.
@smokeydops
@smokeydops 7 жыл бұрын
If this thing were in German trials, it would have been further invested in before it was dropped. So much engineering going on.
@MachineMan-mj4gj
@MachineMan-mj4gj 5 жыл бұрын
>Be German military official >See new pistol >See complex locking system >One handed cocking lever >Three ways to load and fire it Boner: "Achtung!"
@fien111
@fien111 6 жыл бұрын
"We need our cavalry that hasn't mattered in 30+ years to be able to function at peak efficiency!" "Well we have a new pistol they'll never get close enough to use" "Bully!" "Requires you to take your hands off the reigns for a second or two to load in about a tenth the time of a revolver, though" "ABSOLUTELY GOD DAMN WORTHLESS" Late Victorian Cavalry was stupid
@jacobstaten2366
@jacobstaten2366 5 жыл бұрын
Reloading one banded might be pretty useful in general though.
@vDullahan
@vDullahan 5 жыл бұрын
This comment is gold, you should be proud, I feel so much better now hahaha!
@onometre
@onometre 5 жыл бұрын
cavalry was used up through WW2
@user-gr5me8xw3p
@user-gr5me8xw3p 5 жыл бұрын
Disagree
@1stdaybreaker707
@1stdaybreaker707 5 жыл бұрын
onometre not effectively
@Lazarus7000
@Lazarus7000 7 жыл бұрын
That's one hell of a pistol! If only it had been made just that much more precisely, I think it really could have gone places. Loads of great features. I especially like the one-handed cocking, the cartridge counter, and the ability to use magazines, stripper clips, or even one-at-a-time.
@PlurimusPartum
@PlurimusPartum 7 жыл бұрын
Such an interesting machine. Given the thought and care that went into making this one, it's a shame that it wasn't given a chance for more refinement.
@herberar
@herberar 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing design for the time . Specially, the charging lever (much better than the " Jo Lo Ar ") and surprised me the existence of transparent plastics un 1907. Cool gun, coolest review. Thanks a lot Ian !!!
@Golde2Good
@Golde2Good 7 жыл бұрын
that actually looked surprisingly well manufactured.
@seanjoseph8637
@seanjoseph8637 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, I didn't know they had clear plastic back then.
@StormReefProductions
@StormReefProductions 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't think so either. I'm thinking that's not original.
@markusm.lambers8893
@markusm.lambers8893 4 жыл бұрын
Realy? Brexit in the avatar? Oh, ... then, please leave, ... ! Sorry! I can't resist! It was only a joke! Britain can do what all (most) of the people there want! But, is there a chance to have a 'new' voting? Maybe, ...
@matrix3509
@matrix3509 4 жыл бұрын
The first fully synthetic plastic was bakelite, first made in 1907, so if there was indeed plastic being used on the pistol, it would have been made with Parkesine, a precursor of celluloid (aka movie film). Parkesine to my knowledge isn't clear, but it is transparent, and most importantly, the knowledge to make it on an industrial scale was readily available, since it was first synthesized in the 1860s, and was already in wide use by the film industry. All the other transparent plastics, like acrylic, polycarbonate, etc, were first discovered in the late 19th century, but none of them were able to be synthesized on an industrial scale until much further into the 20th century. That being said, it most definitely would have been replaced by now with something like acrylic, as Parkesine had all of the problems that celluloid had (ie that it degrades quickly unless kept in a perfect environment).
@100GTAGUY
@100GTAGUY 4 жыл бұрын
My one double barrel shotgun I have is dated somewhere around the 1880s or 1890s if I'm not mistaken, and it surprised me that it utilized two plastic beads set into the center of the barrels as sights.
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 4 жыл бұрын
@@matrix3509 Parkesine was clear. It was invented in the early 1860s.
@rooseveltbrentwood9654
@rooseveltbrentwood9654 5 жыл бұрын
Man, if it had been reliable this gun would have been a game changer. It has a lot of interesting and innovative features.
@andreweisermann1522
@andreweisermann1522 2 жыл бұрын
Things like this make me want to go into gunsmithing so I could just make one and maybe work out some of the flaws. Then sell them as a way to own a part of history but with some of if not all of the flaws fixed.
@whh2000
@whh2000 7 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe that in the early 1900s guns were being developed in small workshops in Massachusetts. You'd be hard pressed to find that now
@ALegitimateYoutuber
@ALegitimateYoutuber 7 жыл бұрын
holy shit, the tilting slide idea i recently recreated for an air rifle project. Because it allowed the valve system to cleaning connect and disconnect to the barrel without itself twisting or tilting into locking position. Which would increase wear on the o-ring seal. Also allow easy access to the receiver, in a situation where a seal might have gotten dirty or a bullet failed to load. I knew i didn't make something new, even though I never saw such a design before. Because i've learned it's rare to have an original design, but common to recreate an old one.
@Verbose_Mode
@Verbose_Mode 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like with a few more years of development this might’ve been an excellent firearms.
@eddiejoe3303
@eddiejoe3303 7 жыл бұрын
The arrows work with the ammo counter on the grip, don't they? They point the number.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
On second glance, yes - they do.
@AdrenalineJunkieXL
@AdrenalineJunkieXL 7 жыл бұрын
Eddie Joe good observation man
@dote9079
@dote9079 3 жыл бұрын
Which arrows sorry? Do you know a timestamp?
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 2 жыл бұрын
@@dote9079 They're on the follower, at 14:52.
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak 7 жыл бұрын
That finger slide lever thingy is kinda cool but clunky. Mechanically it kinda looks to me like a tilting slide P-38 with a 1911 style locking system.
@bucketofnope8830
@bucketofnope8830 7 жыл бұрын
ten rounds of .45 acp is nothing to sneer at for the time. I would love to find schematics for that and create a modern replica.
@Isaac-ho8gh
@Isaac-ho8gh 6 жыл бұрын
The cocking lever's an awesome idea!
@DADeathinacan
@DADeathinacan 7 жыл бұрын
Man, did someone who collected stuff from the 1907 trials go and get their collection sold off?
@merlinious01
@merlinious01 5 жыл бұрын
Probably died, next of kin selling their stuff
@ThaddeusCorn
@ThaddeusCorn 7 жыл бұрын
Ian, why were irons so small back then? You have one of the best KZfaq channels. Thanks a lot.
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 4 жыл бұрын
I think sights were very small back then because they assumed a smaller pinpoint sight would increase accuracy.
@borjesvensson8661
@borjesvensson8661 3 жыл бұрын
@@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Plus they did not use the sights for fast shooting and relied more on instinctive point and shoot perhaps. Fairbairn of fighting knife fame was of that school was he not?
@Fuddleton
@Fuddleton 7 жыл бұрын
What material was an optically clear plastic available in 1907? That's really cool! I wonder how successful this would've been if it were a more tuned design. Looks like a lot of complex machining in the slide and barrel, betting it would've been out-priced. Still insanely cool mechanism.
@JETHO321
@JETHO321 5 жыл бұрын
Fuddleton Nitrocellulose maybe?
@metamorphicorder
@metamorphicorder 4 жыл бұрын
@@JETHO321 i hope not.
@ianfinrir8724
@ianfinrir8724 2 жыл бұрын
Celluloid, probably
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 2 жыл бұрын
@@ianfinrir8724 Celluliod is nitrocellulose. Cellophane was developed in 1900 and is pure cellulose (no nitrate) but is subject to biological attack (like the similar Rayon fibre developed in 1890). Cellophane was only commercially available in the US from 1912 however. So it probably was celluliod but cellulose acetate which is heat formable would be another option as this dates from 1865.
@97dtharrison
@97dtharrison 7 жыл бұрын
I'd say this is pretty outstanding for 1907. I'm actually impressed. A lot could be taken from this pistol.
@jamesgravel7755
@jamesgravel7755 2 жыл бұрын
The arrows on the mag point to the numbers on the clear side. But what a awesome example of how hard manual machining is. No CBC there boys. All done by hand and skill. Just amazing.
@jamesgravel7755
@jamesgravel7755 2 жыл бұрын
Cnc **
@kbjerke
@kbjerke 5 жыл бұрын
What an elegant design!! If this were produced today, I would definitely buy one!
@That70sGuitarist
@That70sGuitarist Жыл бұрын
This is why I enjoy this channel so much! Ian always finds the coolest, most unusual or just plain oddest bits and pieces of firearms history, then shares them with us in a very simple, straightforward and easy to understand fashion. It just doesn't get any better than that. I've learned a great deal from watching this channel. For example, I now know how to field strip and reassemble an AR platform. Before discovering this channel, I only knew how to do that with my old service rifle, the FAL, and the old FN 49 I grew up shooting.😉 Keep up the great work, Ian!
@mclaine33
@mclaine33 4 жыл бұрын
Wow the story with the endurance test is crazy. Sounds like the inventors didn’t even properly test the gun themselves before entering the trial.
@mikelafreniere742
@mikelafreniere742 7 жыл бұрын
Wow this is my favorite out the the trials pistols so far. Very neat design.
@mauimudpup
@mauimudpup 5 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a book or video of all the contenders of the 1907 trials
@phantomspaceman
@phantomspaceman 7 жыл бұрын
So the gun is easy to disassemble, but the trouble is keeping it all together.
@KakeiTheWoIf
@KakeiTheWoIf 7 жыл бұрын
Had a skilled gunmaker taken a crack at this concept, it would have led to quite a notable pistol.
@TodayLifeIsGoood
@TodayLifeIsGoood 5 жыл бұрын
It sounds and looks like this particular design only needed some more refinement in its construction to make it more reliable and longer lived. I like it^^
@MrLKL88
@MrLKL88 7 жыл бұрын
The arrows on the follower could be pointing at the number on the side showing you how many rounds you have left.
@choad33
@choad33 7 жыл бұрын
Mr LKL88 beat me to it .....we got one up on the gun guru
@LunchBXcrue
@LunchBXcrue 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian I was thinking about something! I love watching your videos cause you find so many gems of guns that I would have never heard of otherwise and I thoroughly enjoy the history you give. I also happen to enjoy another KZfaq channel called hickock45 and the firearms that are showcased there. You guys should do a collaboration or have him on your show (or vice versa)!! Maybe do a then and now comparison of early guns to the newer versions, perhaps a companies progression of a line of firearms or the history of the company with some models to show as well. I'd totally watch that, at least I think it'd be a neat idea for a series of videos
@szeredaiakos
@szeredaiakos 5 жыл бұрын
The front hook seems to be actually a ramp which ensures the trigger doesn't reset before the disconnect is tripped, in case someone manages to tap the trigger that fast.
@GaronVI3162
@GaronVI3162 4 жыл бұрын
Just found the next iconic star wars gun XD, that round barrel with that large squared slide look great, plus that charging lever is really unique.
@chrishamlin6604
@chrishamlin6604 7 жыл бұрын
Something tells me that the clear panel on the side is not original to the gun. There is no way a plastic part from 1907 would be that clear and un-yellowed.
@StormReefProductions
@StormReefProductions 5 жыл бұрын
exactly! I doubt it too
@ImpulseResearch
@ImpulseResearch 3 ай бұрын
Is it plastic? Maybe it's glass. I searched and found clear plastic wasn't invented until 1908 or 1910. Interesting.
@MegaBeartrap
@MegaBeartrap 7 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love these videos. Each one teaches you that little bit extra terminology, that's still used in modern firearms.
@randywatson8347
@randywatson8347 7 жыл бұрын
Machining looks amazing for it's time.
@willborneman5461
@willborneman5461 2 жыл бұрын
Man! That cocking lever is actually an awesome idea! And it seems to work pretty well, as well. Being able to cock a semi auto pistol with one hand is a cool idea. I wonder why nobody else has made something like that? I want one
@pewpewTN
@pewpewTN 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this refined & fully reliable. It's such a gem of a design.
@TrikeRoadPoet
@TrikeRoadPoet 7 жыл бұрын
Fascinating!
@theflemster8187
@theflemster8187 5 жыл бұрын
Dude the cocking lever is freaking awesome
@davidnfilms
@davidnfilms 6 жыл бұрын
that cocking trigger is one of the coolest things I've seen on this channel.
@itabiritomg
@itabiritomg 7 жыл бұрын
the machining quality is prety impressive.
@TheTonyMcD
@TheTonyMcD 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the design of that slide. It looks really slick, really cool.
@kingof-bunz6506
@kingof-bunz6506 Жыл бұрын
Imagine a world were single hand cocking was a mainstay feature on all self loading pistols that would certainly be an interesting addition to firearms design
@ChaparralJ
@ChaparralJ 5 жыл бұрын
I know it's not practical, I know it's over complicated, I know it would be expensive, but damn am I a sucker for guns with unique / weird reloads.
@jamesmccune2681
@jamesmccune2681 2 жыл бұрын
That's a very nifty feature on a pistol!
@tacticalultimatum
@tacticalultimatum 5 жыл бұрын
They had transparent plastic in 1907? I though Bakelite wasn’t even patented until 1909
@timturbo7727
@timturbo7727 4 жыл бұрын
Possibly the best handgun to shoot akimbo style, that one handed charging capability is awesome
@raibeartcahill4295
@raibeartcahill4295 5 жыл бұрын
Wow they sure didn't get the KISS principle. That thing would be a very expensive nightmare to machine.
@thelegendaryklobb2879
@thelegendaryklobb2879 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, another gun with a charging handle! The JoLoAr was the other one, if I'm not mistaken. The sound of the slide is just awesome!
@sithmar929
@sithmar929 Жыл бұрын
The machine time to manufacture a gun like this , is impressive
@davidvanniedek2605
@davidvanniedek2605 7 жыл бұрын
That gun is sick
@TheMoistestNugget
@TheMoistestNugget 2 жыл бұрын
thia is one of the coolest pistols i’ve ever seen tho
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 7 жыл бұрын
Man, I want to live in the parallel universe where the M1911A1 is a Webley-Fosbery with slightly tweaked ergo.
@redactedbananas
@redactedbananas 3 жыл бұрын
I think that little "hook" on the trigger pushes the didn't cartridge out when the trigger is reset. And the arrows on the magazine probably point to the numbers on the handle to indicate the number of rounds remaining.
@EchosTackyTiki
@EchosTackyTiki 2 жыл бұрын
Had it only worked during the trials, I can see this pistol being a very close contender for the 1911's belt in that match.
@rogerlangleyrl
@rogerlangleyrl 7 жыл бұрын
An interesting piece that really shows how designers were trying out all kinds of concepts. John Browning's submission must have seemed incredible to the testers.
@hobbitilius
@hobbitilius 7 жыл бұрын
Damn that pistol looks very nice.
@hundwyn7530
@hundwyn7530 5 жыл бұрын
That's cool as heck, holy crap
@Greger88
@Greger88 7 жыл бұрын
I really like this gun, something about the mechanics just speaks to me.
@user-oh2kt8lf6g
@user-oh2kt8lf6g 7 жыл бұрын
The front hook is a mere trigger travel limiter. When the trigger is fully pressed the hook just rests on the surface below preventing the trigger from being pulled any further.
@Niinkai
@Niinkai 4 жыл бұрын
The "clear plastic" on the side is most likely either laminated glass (plastic-covered glass) or sheet muscovite (a.k.a mica, a type of silicate). James D. Julia online cataloque says it's "plexiglass", but that didn't enter mass production until the 1930s. Laminated glass obtained patents in 1902, 1905 and 1909 and was widely used in WW1 gas masks. Meanwhile muscovite is a naturally occurring mineral, though its sheet form is quite expensive. However, at least 2 million British Smoke Hood gas masks were produced in WW1 with a muscovite eyepiece.
@billysmith5409
@billysmith5409 4 жыл бұрын
This is a seriously interesting gun.
@MrOliver250
@MrOliver250 4 жыл бұрын
If there's anything I've learned from 70's police training videos, Ian, it's that you most certainly CAN load a revolver with one hand. Open it, stick it in your belt, and you're good to go
@cag1763
@cag1763 2 жыл бұрын
Dang..I knew that..
@baron8107
@baron8107 7 жыл бұрын
This would make an awesome competition pistol if it were produced today.
@eriklindbergs5017
@eriklindbergs5017 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that the arrows on the magazine follower point at the numbers on the grip to indicate the ammo level.
@hdhg4ever
@hdhg4ever 7 жыл бұрын
Is there anything preventing this from firing out of battery if dirt gets in between the locking lugs?
@alexp974
@alexp974 4 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder, how good this could have been with some more prototyping.
@RevaeRavus
@RevaeRavus 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting shit. A lot of neat ideas all crammed into one gun.
@Toms3rdNut
@Toms3rdNut 5 жыл бұрын
That is a flipping awesome concept.
@nicholas_scott
@nicholas_scott 7 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed. Lots of cool ideas there, though I don't think I'd ever get used to that odd trigger. One improvement might be to have that slide-trigger lock in the back position, so it sits out of the way.
@supermcbrian
@supermcbrian 7 жыл бұрын
Well done ian.
@Lazyguy22
@Lazyguy22 7 жыл бұрын
10:4 I was really hoping you were going to say that button activated a spring-loaded field-stripping mechanism.
@Omniseed
@Omniseed 5 жыл бұрын
Even though it sucks that is a gorgeous and cool pistol
@SamuraiChris78
@SamuraiChris78 5 жыл бұрын
That cocking mechanism is a very cool design. I understand why it didn't catch on, but it's still very innovative!
@stuartcleary8621
@stuartcleary8621 3 жыл бұрын
That is a very cool gun , it’s a shame it wasn’t developed a little further!
@scottywad9340
@scottywad9340 3 жыл бұрын
that is cool as hell
@chris210racer
@chris210racer 4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to make an airsoft or bb reproduction of this gun one day. Gotta save up for a 3D printer first though.
@hardtarget2359
@hardtarget2359 6 жыл бұрын
Ian the cocking mechanism isn't to compare to opening the cylinder on a revolver one handed. Its to pick the gun one handed like cocking a hammer.
@CptMuttonchops
@CptMuttonchops 7 жыл бұрын
That is a very neat design. One wonders what could have happened had the tolerances been a bit tighter and some of the funkier funkiness worked around. Maybe it'd even ended up runner up instead of the Savage.
@kewlin
@kewlin 7 жыл бұрын
I totally get what you were saying, but I can't be the only one who almost laughed out loud when you mentioned the Webly-Fosbery Automatic Revolver as an example of a non-automatic pistol in the trial.
@jacksonlewis4365
@jacksonlewis4365 5 жыл бұрын
interesting, even with issues some pistols showed really look at this and depending how much time was being spend on these 1 off designs you can see potential for real improvement if they maybe had more....
@Manadono
@Manadono 2 жыл бұрын
it's beautiful, I'll take 3!!
@thefatvegetarian1851
@thefatvegetarian1851 3 жыл бұрын
We need a modern arms developer to revive this design, it’s simple and beautiful and I think would very easily find a home in collectors and laymen even.
@StarWeaverThree
@StarWeaverThree 6 жыл бұрын
My question is, why are transparent pistol grips for ammo counting apparently still extremely uncommon?
@Tyfn954
@Tyfn954 7 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I thought you are going to fire a few rounds with this one. Interesting design!
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