It’s a scary time. Mediocrity is now the standard of excellence. 😂

Also, we kinda always gloss over the fact that out of four rings LeBron won, one was in the bubble and other was during lock-out season. Ok, maybe I am wrong about the bubble because it is sometimes discussed by Skip. But lock-out ring is definitely something nobody talks about.

Well, what can you expect from a time where men can be women and women can be men and your life can be ruined if you disagree? People are beyond stupid these days.

Greatest comment of all time.

Championships doesn’t matter anymore. Only longevity matters. /s

Preach

Facts... kobe was the closest to mj we've ever seen

Just because Kobe copied mike play style and mannerisms and moves that don’t make him better than LeBron neither scoring 81 points and winning 5 chips when he was the sidekick for most of them that don’t make him better

@@joshuaharris53 lol you act like Bron wasn’t going to be sidekick before he chocked in 2011, only thing saved him was the fact the he lost lol again

@@ABasedTohan Kobe choked a 3-1 lead and shot his team out of the finals and was not going no where until the trade for pau gasol and Phil Jackson coming back to help him

FACTS 💯🙌🏽

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lebum holds the lowest ratings ever in playoff and finals history and mj holds the highest. nobody wants to watch lebum

And why does this "MJ never had a 24hr media" narrative keep coming up!?!? the 24hr news cycle started in the EARLY 1980s before Jordan was in the league. The 24hr News cycle as we see it today started and grew while Jordan was playing and BECAUSE OF THAT the NBA's popularity (because of the Bird/Magic Rivalry and then Jordan) exploded. If you really do the math while Jordan didn't have all the social media outlets the major networks had MORE influence back then. So when Jordan made headlines, it was seen by MORE people of the general population not less... I swear this LeBron Apologists will reach for ANYTHING, SMDH

​@@blackout8777💯

Definitely

He was. Kobe never had to change teams to achieve his greatness.

Yup Film don't lie.

Glad you're wising up Bro.

If you know what he's doing it's actually pretty funny. He doesn't care half as much as the people angry at him do.

Easily

He also has the most career turnovers 😅😂😂

​@@kenlen8029yes dude we know, lebron doesn't care about the fans, only his stats and legacy. That's why isn't even comparable to the real greats before him 😂 you tried to misconstrue it tho.

Surprised a 10 year old knows the word misconstrue. @@IsaacMSingleton1

and i believe going 6-0 as the best player on each one of those teams is more impressive than coming back from being down 3-1..

Especially when Kyrie balled out and outscored and outshot Steph. But he doesn't get much credit.

@@mauricedavis1740 11-1 IS BETTER THAN 6-0 cuse they won 8 in a row and u r deranged. also if anyone say how stephen jackson talk just ask him why he was banned from nba if he is smart human ??

​??? Yeah, in that case, 11-1 is waaayy better than 4-6 but nobody is calling Russell the GOAT.

@@e.e-uj4nk HE WON 72 BECAUSE 1995/96 LITERAL;LY 65% LEAGUE TANKED TO GET IVERSON. EVEN NEXT SEASON POP SIT ADMIRAL DESPITE HE WAS BEST SCORER IN USA OLIMPICS AND LED THEM TO GOLD WITH 32 PTS. ALSO 96 CLASS WAS BEST EVER , BULLS WON 40 GAMES REST 30 ARE GIVEN BY TANKING TEAMS.

I wonder what the conversation would have been if Kobe and the Lakers had won in 08 and had 3-peat from 08 to 10

I got a Kobe and Duncan NBA fact from 99-2014 Lakers 7 spurs 6 Dallas 2 OKC 1 four teams . 10 won buy Kobe and Duncan

@@joaopescusa It would be he only had 1 3-peat.

Statement made by MJ HIMSELF "RIP KOBE "FROM LAKERS NATION

Thank you KOBE

I am still waiting for the Lebron's iconic Gatorade and McDonald's commercials. Where is the "I want to be like Mike?" and "nothing but the net" with Bird? If MJ had social media, he would had been even more popular. Imagine Jordan at the time, still being known worldwide without social media. Young bloods have no idea how much bigger than life MJ really was.

NTM the media simps for Lebron or you’re outcasted!

True

Leflop needs to stop flopping around the courts, start playing Defense and stop with the stupid comments he puts out there like: "I'm the GOAT," I'm thinking of retiring," His wife stating he's the GOAT @ the ESPY.

Lebron is the first athlete to have so many media shills to make excuses for him 24/7.

Faxxxx 🤣

People argue about anything these days. Seems these arguments are at the forefront of a lot of people's minds when they talk about these two athletes and it's just sad tbh. It has gotten ridiculous. They are both great and have provided a lot of very entertaining moments for us all. No point trying to drag one guy down because you like the other more. Neither of them deserve the hate.

He's the gold standard for a reason

Wilt died thinking he was better than Jordan

The bubble ring was also a short season. So 2012 was a short season and so was 2020. Two easy rings.

@@differentsame9402 yup, then his other two wins he didn’t even hit the biggest clutch shots to either extend the series or win it lol

The Bron propaganda is honestly crazy lol

MJ would have "retired" yet again in the Bubble scenario.

The Cleveland ring is the NBAs GIFT to their ANOINTED FACE OF THE NBA. SUSPEND DRAYMOND to kill the warriors momentum.

I agree, Jordan wasn't capable of being down 3-1 😂, he was too competitive and dominant to ever reach the finals and not win with ease

Closest was only 98 Pacers really challenging them and taking Bulls to game 7 ECF. I wished Reggie Miller would have at won least one chip.

@@a012345 And Larry Bird was the coach of that team.

@@jackastor5265 Jordan finally beat him in playoffs there lol.

@@a012345 The 80's Celtics were an all time great dynasty team, the 80's Bulls were not.

In my circle we technically only credit Lebron with 3.5 rings.

exactly

Faxxx 🤣🤣🤣

@@jackastor5265 they legit partying after having a 6 month break and playing a pick up basketball tournament disguised as the NBA finals. Lebron bum ass pushed for that mickey mouse ring and barely anyone was there or wanted to play 😂 In my circle we credit lebron with zero rings First rings Wade and Ray, Third ring Kyrie, bubble ring AD Lebron without these players and their greatness would have zero championships

It’s still a goddamn ring.

Yea, Jordan is notoriously absent from social media and rarely does interviews, which IMO, adds to his mystique or aura. He doesn't even speak on these matters, however, when he does show up to an event like the 75th Anniversary at the All Star game, the crowd gives him a bigger pop than any former or current player. Unfortunately for Lebron, it happened in his home state of Ohio with him standing there watching.

mike never mentions it because he knows his game and accolades speak for themselves

Confidence is quiet. Insecurity is loud

Jordan literally said he wouldn't be able to handle social media era criticism and bickering. He has also called himself the goat. LeBron is also good at basketball. Stop lying and get over it.

@@kenlen8029 Well first of all Jordan is still alive and its the social media era and he handles it fine by simply not participating. Secondly, stop making up shit.

and he needs to travel and offensive foul to do it.

@@_M.... If he doesn't get the call he wants, he complains and fights with the refs, and he still gets no technicals. It shows that he is actually above the rules and he has the league and the media backing him.

His passing is next level, he’s a great rebounder, and his shooting has been clean for a minute. The weakness with LeBron has always been will always be his mentality. Man’s not a leader. He’s too selfish and callous.

...drive to the basket and the defense getting out of his way. lol

@@MisterPeckingOrder lebron stat pads his rebounds. Mj has more offensive rebounds than lebron

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Flopkestball.

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The difference b/t Lebron and Jordan (also Kobe, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, Bird and so on) is: Lebron craves for FAME. Jordan craves for VICTORIES. When Lebron could NOT win to then earn the fame, he tried to "massage" the narratives to fabricate some. It's pathetic to watch.

Yea exactly I wish Kobe was still around 2 hear his take on all this if he wud even waste his time saying something idk but yea Jordan is out the question so lebrony is comparing himself 2 him so he can always act like he's right there when in reality the guy he played with the same era that is no longer with us is the closest 2 Jordan we will ever see and I think the person he is really trying 2 jump over. Disrespectful they need 2 leave Jordan alone n everytime sum1 compares Jordan n lebron they are neglecting the Mamba I can't stand it these dudes need 2 stop speaking if all they gonna do is tell lies and false narratives.

Thank you 🙌, they purposely do thag so they don't have to go against Kobe. They skip Kobe and go straight to MJ. They do that on purpose and it's efkn annoying

Kobe wasnt better than LBJ @@relicdad88

FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEBRON IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE, better than KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD. Kobe 36-0 for Team USA. LeBronze? TWO bronze medals. Mic drop.

I COULD TELL YOU BUT ,,SOMEONE BETTER THAN ME IS ABOUT TO ,,VERY SOON...🌞

@@williambeckham3014 can’t wait

For Rich it's a yes man world. Everything Rich has in his life came from him being a yes man to LeBron.

The COVID ring shouldn’t count

@@tenthirty82 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

I know right like wtf

They're running out of arguments. It's literally grasping at straws in LeBron's corner right now.

next they’re gonna say it’s bc he was raised by a single parent

Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO LeBron james has won 10 conference championships Michael Jordan won 6......Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have more conference championships (In a mostly nine team league) than LeBron James In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school

@@vicepresidentmikepence889 nobody cares lol Jordan is still the goat and lebron will be crying about it even after he retires 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@vicepresidentmikepence889you missed out MJ had 2 gold medals & a NCAA national championship before he ever set foot in the NBA, he was already a national & world champ.

@@nasmaxfit This dude is a bot who posts on EVERY new basketball video and replies to all comments. Just ignore his antics

it really will. i said it before & i'll keep saying it. when he retires, this fraudulent goat debate will be over

LeFraud could team-hop his way to 10 rings for all I care. He's already past his prime and there was no point at which he was a better player than Michael Jordan.

Lebron won’t ever be better or even be close to being as good as jordan was because lebron doesn’t and won’t ever be more skilled than jordan due to God given skill and talent..God didn’t give lebron what he needs to be better than jordan🤷🏻‍♂️..

Not to mention in an easy era. Still couldn't get it done.

Lebron is still chasing his 5th ring in 21 years lmaooo

@@DesroQc He needs to play 10 more seasons to get 6 rings xD. Timmy the big fundamental got 5 in 15 years without team skipping by being humble and developing his team. Timmy, Magic, Bird , Kareem are all above LeBronze. Heck if I went full hater mode, I have Hakeem above him (and Zeke) given how difficult his 2 rings were and that he is the only player to have won DPOY, MVP and FMP in a single season. Realistically , LeFraud is not a top 5 greatest ever NBA players , the only thing he has going for him is his longevity and overall stats, and inventing imaginary injuries every time he gets owned in the playoffs (Kobe played an entire run with a broken finger, Isiah played with a dislocated foot and still dropped 24? (it was 20+ dont remember the exact number) in the last quarter, Bird is known for his inhuman tolerance to pain and he even played with a back injury that was bad enough to classify him as a disabled person). /Rant off, had to get this out of my chest.

But your unknowingly also making the point that MJ played in the plumber and auto mechanic era 😆

@@kenlen8029try the bad boys pistons lets see if lbj can survive the “plumber” players!

​@@raven1313Celtics big 4

LeBron is much bigger and stronger than them. I don't think he would be very phased. Maybe they could get in his head and put him off his game in his younger days. @@raven1313

inconsistent brittle AD and soft ass kevin love foh 😂

Exactly. Plus, he won a ring in 2011/2012 lock-out season.

If Jimmy won that one.... that would be his entire Legacy.

​@@tryhardfinessedyou And?

All LeBrons chips have an asterisk!

​@@tryhardfinessedyouthe difference is Jimmy buckets ain't running around claiming heated goat and begging people to respect him so had he won people would be more happy for him but they'd still view it as a Mickey Mouse bubble ring. 🤷🏽‍♂️

& skap attack 🙏🏾

Also not to forget 2Raw4$sport/TV, Angry Old Hoops Fan, Basketball facts 2.0, Franchise Sports TV, Sports N Fitness Rants & TheAbominableLebron. Al tough the last one hasn't uploaded a video in a year sadly.

UnCommon Cents too

I've watched the whole series GSW was indeed the better team Draymond was the best player his suspension shift the momentum of the series

They still lost

Funny how Leflop and company left those facts out of their narrative.

Congratulations for winning dumb fuck of the year for that statement!

Facts, this new generation never got to see MJs greatness live.

@@757_Al I did and I was also a Jordan fan, but let's keep it a buck, he only won after the great teams fell, because teams like the Bulls, Jazz, and Blazers were bridesmaids to teams like the Lakers, Pistons, and Celtics. This is also why after the big dogs were too old the puny runts started running the yard. This is also the reason why Jordan never beat a top-ten all-time team while LeBron beat three. I still think both Jordan and LeBron are the GOATS for different reasons and Jordan was the most spectacular athlete ever, but to put LeBron down in order to embellish Jordan with bullshit only shows you guys are nothing but a bunch of Melly Mel old mother fuckers, just like the old folks who used to shit on Jordan back in the day.

The idiot media and Lebum fanboys will never disclose that, the truth. They abidingly luxuriate in propagating lies to a docile society, mostly comprised of single-digit IQs.

Bro don’t forget iggy having severe back spasms the last 2 1/2 games (FMVP just the year prior 2015)

@@stormyredhawk7419 brooo I was gonna say that but didn’t wanna seem like a sore GSW fan 😂

So you crying about Steph having a sore knee and losing Bogut but y’all celebrate Steph winning in 2015 when the cavaliers second and third best players didn’t play at all? Bro that’s hilarious.

@@jaydot4956 bro I’m not taking away anything from Lebron’s ring or giving any more credit to Steph’s in 2015. I’m just correcting the guy who made the video. He said that the warriors were overrated in the playoffs but they won 2 playoff series in a gentlemen sweep WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER (WHO WAS MVP AT THE TIME) PLAYING EVERY GAME. That’s a hugeee feat. Then went to the finals & went game 7 with a hobbled Steph & collapsed defensive lineup

Championship finals*

@@cesarbarbosa8875 it's already understood and kinda redundant, but thanks anyways

Don't forget the championship in college to.

But MJ quite literally had to deal with the media 24/7. Wasnt he on the newspaper all the time when he failed? Lebron is just more known for self proclaiming shit.

@mistameff3528 I left out the question mark to pauls statement by accident. As in im questioning his logic. In my opinion, social media back then was way harder to navigate. Ill also add the news medias perception of black men back then was 10 time worse. Black in general was always looked at as second rate. Look at how we had to have black categories at awards shows back then. Crazy how far weve come. And when i say we, im saying black men. Credit goes to brothers like MJ and Magic who forced the media to change their perspective.If not for them, There wouldve never been a Kobe, Bron, AI, Fab 5, etc. And they damn sure would not be making the money they do now.

The media is not on the floor playing basketball.

Jordan never joined a superteam, he was drafted by Chicago ...pippen went to Chicago.....they played for the team that acquired them, while lebron built superteams, Michael was a superteam

Mj let his game do the talking enough said.

Lebron meat goblins don’t think rationally. 😂

Mj is undefeated in the finals ... 6>0 beats 4>6 allday everyday 💯 ,,, lebron has more stats then mj only because of longevity

LeBron would have at least 12 titles with Pippen as a sidekick

@@kenlen8029 your Sadly mistaken by that. Lebron’s sidekicks produced more than Pippen and he still lost. Kyrie averaged 27.7 points per game in his two finals appearances with Lebron and he still lost one of those finals. Show me one finals series where MJ had that kind of help. U can’t do it.

He didn't need it in the overrated era he was in. Seriously go back and watch those games. Tell me that's not overrated by many Michael stans. Overall the players now by comparison are crazy compared to all the stiffs you would see back then. And to be clear, I do enjoy 90s ball. I started watching in the 80s but I can't pretend it was the ultra tough era some make it out to be. There's no point pretending Jordan did it all and LeBron sucks when MJ averaged only a couple more points than him on like 3 more shots per game. The whole argument is stupid. The are both amazing players with a different approach. My comment to OP was a joke btw. @@kkuderer5

Facts. Everyone always gloss over this

Yup plus losing bogut. Then the insane suspension of dray. And what nobody ever noticed or talked about was Andre seriously messed up his back in game 6 which severely impacted his athleticism. He was very stiff game 7. It was truly a perfect storm for them to come back. To their credit, they did it, but they had a good amount of help for sure

THANK YOU. I’ve been saying for years the NBA gifted lebron the Cleveland ring because it competed their investment Lebron James: Prodigal Son storyline. The assault on objective reality is absurd. Like I deadass can’t trust you if you tell me lebrons your goat. What do you even value??

And on top of that according to the doctors steph is actually not fit to play he just force himself

Two great championships for sure

they're hoping he win another title or otherwise what's the point? now they're talking about it being centered around next year's team USA lmao.

I forgot about that lol. Dude really tries hard to be like Mike. They probably scraped that whole shit once he got the broom.

yeah, ill laugh so hard if lebron joins team usa next year or so... and gets another bronze like 2004@@_M....

Got swept by a Joker and his Nuggets 🤣

average margin of victory during an era of superior defense and lower scoring outputs too.

Do not and i say, do not forget Angry old hoops

One more. Angry Hoops Fan is a must KZfaqr you need to look up. He's great and breaking down Lebron film and all the arguments

@@igordrakulovic6857 my bad 😭

@@MikeBNumba6 im ashamed 😭 how could i forget

Dick suckers that's why. I realised I don't even like my friends all that much when all they could come up with was "you know, he's just better". Casuals

When he’s retired I don’t think players are going to talk about LeBron like they do about Kobe. Even when he was still alive and retired you were hearing all these stories about him. With LeBron they’re probably just gonna say that he was a nice guy or a cool dude and that’s it.

That’s why he formed klutch sports. He has these yes men on tv spewing and praising him non stop to brainwash average followers. When he retires those folks are still gonna be there trying to interject him into every conversation simply to praise him. A couple of years ago when he missed the playoffs and Luka was going off, I kept seeing them bring up LBJ’s overrated 07 run while downplaying Luka’s run smh.

LeBron will always be the kangaroo not the goat For all his jumping teams

Exactly, Cavs were pre season favorites. Klutch media ran with the 73 win team up 3-1 only to lose as their go to talking point to hype up LBJ. All while ignoring GS injuries, suspensions, #2 option Kyrie outscoring the #1 option in Curry etc they built this up as if GS formed a superteam when in reality it was Cavs. One of the most overrated finals wins in recent history.

Also, WHAT was the narrative after the Dubs won the 2015 Chip in 6 games??? “See, if Kyrie & Love hadn’t gotten injured in the Finals, the Cavs would’ve EASILY beat them!” TBF, aside from the “beat them easily” take, I think that the Cavs WOULD have beaten the Dubs, as Kyrie would’ve offset Curry in both’s first Finals…but it begs the question : HOW THE HELL WERE THE CAVS DOWN 1-3 TO THE DUBS (with an injured Steph Curry) IN THE FIRST DAMN PLACE??? These were almost the EXACT same teams from the year before. 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

@@twilitezn yup, that’s really a shot at LBJ than anything. How are you the “goat” down 3-1? You have Curry/Klay both shooting terrible, Kyrie your #2 is actually leading both teams in ppg and had he played well in game 4 the series is tied. His last 9 points came in meaningless time as it was too late for a comeback. He ended up with 25 points.

Yea I had to unsubcribe from them. Them dudes have the worst takes and talk like they're experts

I want to see that video lol

Exactly how can you have a debate about someone being the goat that has more losses than wins? I guess I'm confused about what the goat standard would include? Does it include your lack of accomplishments in general? What exactly is the goat standard, because I'm starting to question what my understanding is since LeBum is being brought up in this discussion about the goat. Someone please help me to understand what exactly I'm suppose to utilize to determine a choice for who the goat should be. This way I won't get it twisted when having this discussion amongst my friends and looking like an idiot. I just assumed that Jordan was the goat because he had 6 perfect finals runs along with a magnitude of other unbreakable stats all without the need of at least 2 superstars and while on one team in less time than any other player before and now after him? So I ask again, what exactly is the goat credentials required for this title?

Do u have a point

His teams historically beat Kobe's by a lot though. All the arguments are stupid. They are all good players that provide us with entertainment.

Why would expect a huge guy with bow legs and pigeon feet to be out there moving like MJ? This is what annoys me about MJ stans tbh. Complete disregard for context and disregard for anything good LeBron does. And yes I like MJ too.

No lebron in the conversation get over it there's nothing you can do about it L7

@@macio8779 iam not saying he shouldn't but y'all still dismissing Kareem you are still dismissing Magic Bird Kobe an the Dream an others to focus on two freaking people so to me this whole debate was stupid from the start because everyone was either yes man an kissing LeBron's butt or doing the same with Jordan if everyone would have keep bringing up other players an legends it be something different but this whole thing was about Jordan an LeBron which was b.s from the start. So forgive me if you think I am bad mouthing but truth is truth the debate is still over some people hate it some people don't. Again me I think it was stupid to begin with since at some point everyone just started kissing bout Jordan's an Lebron's ass not bad mouthing or trying to be disrespectful but imma be 💯 in the last few years what's the conversation been oh if LeBron beats KAREEM record we all have to talk about him in competition with Jordan more tell me I am wrong real only time you see someone really say something about Kareem who still holds records in Highschool an College that no one has beat an had the best scoring record in the NBA the man that created the most unstoppable shot in the game that as I know of noone Legend or players in the NBA have been able to copy at the same level. Now we got a dumb debate about Magic an Step which is another stupid retrad debate because you don't here anyone else mentioned not Steve Nash Not CP3 who y'all call the " Point God " by the way leaving him out this debate Isaiah Thomas forgetting about him you forgetting about Spud Webb Jason Kidd John Stockton an many others who atleast have not only the scoring but kept averaging atleast 10 assists per game if y'all gonna keep fanboying an fangirling atleast say that's what going on if not seriously me personally i wanna hear real honest debates with the best of the best not these crap anymore if you gonna forget players to make your favorite look good then the whole debate is pointless an should be left in the hands of true fans of the game an the players on the court and who have played before.

@@josephwilson3531 for me personally lebron is one of the greats to do it but im gone always have dr.j magic nd the rest of the legends top tier because they set the tone on greatness that inspired generations of talent including lebron. So I understand your point in that regards I agee.

@@macio8779 Again not trying to be disrespectful or anything to those of you that seriously feel LeBron should be in the conversation I agree with that whole heartedly however iam tired of people who just kinda fanboying an fangirling when there are legends that still should have been talked about alot more. Seriously man the second LeBron was on the scene this became the Jordan an LeBron debate which should have never happened in the first place if you not adding the rest of the guys that deserve that honor of being talked about. Now it's repeating with Curry an Johnson which again I feel is stupid an retard again if noone is going to even talk about the top 10 if not the top 20 point guards of all time and literally make this a true debate if it's going to be one of those oh it's Step no it's Magic feuds again imma remind every single one of you reports fans coaches players whole 9 yards. That you all show like the old Team Edward an Team Jacob fans. I respect your opinion doe if you truely feel like it's Lebron but again I feel this whole debate was just for hype an to get fans seriously social media blow up the second all this started. Iam just saying an being real debate should have never happened if you not going to include the top players an their accomplishments how they impacted the game. Instead of being real about it it became the Jordan an LeBron show that's not a debate it's kissing butt if you have to ignore other players to do so.

Unless he works in public relations say nothing. The other guys he went to school with that's part of lebron's team ain't out there selling that bad dope like rich "I'll say anything lebron tells me to" paul