RyanF9: “Like Germany motorcycles like to get dirty oil rather than no oil at all” This man never seizes to impress me with the type of content he puts out.
@theenzoferrari4582 жыл бұрын
It's a reference to Russia. Germany still likes its national socialism ideology.
@feuerreiteroderso86552 жыл бұрын
@@theenzoferrari458 wtf are you talking about?
@igorsuzdalev2 жыл бұрын
@@feuerreiteroderso8655 Germany prefers to finance russia(exactly knowing for what all the money are going for) instead of looking for alternative oil dealer. That's why I'm still in danger because of missiles hitting my city.
@aravindsagar22262 жыл бұрын
ikr!
@kingka61842 жыл бұрын
@@igorsuzdalev Germany was not if favor of a oil embargo at the start, but after negotiating other contracts with other countries they are
@liftmagnet2 жыл бұрын
Going to have to pass this one around. I feel vindicated from everyone who has mocked me for just using cheap paper filters for all these years... :)
@ferry28692 жыл бұрын
haha yea!
@kbishop942 жыл бұрын
but yet they'll still mock you for spelling it as cheep.
@liftmagnet2 жыл бұрын
@@kbishop94 As they should. Lol
@kbishop942 жыл бұрын
Derek Hermann ha! it’s all good Derek! 😂
@archygrey90932 жыл бұрын
I've had people mock me for actively choosing to use paper air filters instead of oiled foam, they actually think that foam is better at filtering air simply because its more expensive.
@mikeleclair75722 жыл бұрын
As someone who works in a lab that does filter R&D (the lab does - I work on lead acid battery R&D on the other end of the building).... I applaud the work this took, your DIY hydraulic tester, and commitment to testing these proper and not just going with anecdotal evidence
@ChrisbyChickenMan232 жыл бұрын
What filters do you prefer?
@linkinlinkinlinkin6542 жыл бұрын
Agreed. As someone who works in an automotive company, I've seen lesser rigorous testing for far more professional requirements.
@vsm3512 жыл бұрын
@@linkinlinkinlinkin654 True. As a professional oil filter myself, I can confirm the test is accurate.
@thewafen7632 жыл бұрын
@@vsm351 lmao
@billyclifford61062 жыл бұрын
"But it's an aprilia so there's a steady stream of metal shavings too" 😂
@donaldwhite29952 жыл бұрын
As someone who does this type of testing every day, nice work! My company uses fiberglass for our filters on industrial engines, but we expect the filters to last for thousands of hours before servicing. Paper is indeed the best choice for automotive use as there's no better media for the price.
@wobblysauce2 жыл бұрын
Some engines can take a larger filter than standard, a win-win-win for not much price increase, in same cases you can buy the same brands big filter for less as they are more sold by car then filter number.
@vids5952 жыл бұрын
you lost me with the "for the price" part.
@guard130072 жыл бұрын
I'm curious why the decision is to go with that rather than changing a filter once a month. A month is ~730 hours, does paper really degrade that fast? (Well, looking up average vehicle speed and comparing it to my motorcycle's service internal, apparently they last ~400 hours. For my car, ~1,060 hours. Interesting.)
@ridderjaim3 Жыл бұрын
@@guard13007 Probably simple cost-benefit analysis, as replacing filters might take lets say ~2-5 hours (gotta shut down machine, replace & test new filter) If the product/machine isn't affected by slightly dirty oil then simply increasing the interval is an easy method of decreasing short term maintenance costs, as most companies won't run the same machine's for their entire feasible lifespan anyways; It's the next owners issue.
@DerekDauma Жыл бұрын
@@wobblysauce I used to run FL1A equivalent filters on my Sportster. They held more oil, were cheaper than motorcycle specific filters and had the same spring bypass pressure. Another benefit was their size made them easy to remove by hand. I needed a total of one tool to change the oil on that bike-a stubby flathead screwdriver.
@thamomentum2 жыл бұрын
As a mechanical engineer and someone who has worked at labs for majority of my career developing testing methodologies. This was absolute beautiful to watch. Ryan and F9 folks did it again. Edit: Ok - so there are a bunch of comments about how this test is clearly not accurate. Well, no. But it is still damn near close. This is the type of testing and engineering forefathers did prior to SOPs and Published standards. There is nothing wrong with doing it. And like ANY science. IF you have a different opinion, YOU TOO can make a video and challenge it.
@KuopioKallavesi2 жыл бұрын
your opinion on the temperature of the oil thus changed viscosity thus different filtering results? or not ? they did heat oil somewhat but not even near the temps oil gets inside the engine i think.
@MikaelJSandersson2 жыл бұрын
I'm also a mechanical engineer and I'm becoming more and more skeptical of their approach to science(or rather applied as engineering) as time passes.
@DC_DC_DC_DC2 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit let down that the effective surface area, thickness and contaminant capacity have not been added in the comparison, or accounted for by factoring the measurement outcomes
@TheFrostcave2 жыл бұрын
Ryan and the F9 team, bro it's just Ryan and the camera guy.
@pujabelgian2 жыл бұрын
better filters have more paper media than others, true for cars, probably true for MCs too.
@lylemacdonald66722 жыл бұрын
The "DOUCHE" test. A new engineering standard! The dig against Germany importing Russian oil was very witty for sure. Love the content.
@somejerk15202 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with Russian oil, thanks to Biden it's not like we're exporting any...
@WontSeeReplies2 жыл бұрын
Germany and Russia completed a pipeline. Germany was about to access affordable fuel before the US sabotaged the deal by using NATO to force Russia into invading Ukraine. Now Europe is screwed and the ruble is gaining value. Anyone bashing Germany for buying Russian oil is an ignorant fool. Germany is screwing themselves for playing along with these idiotic western sanctions.
@fabiopunk16612 жыл бұрын
As someone below, I am a mechanical engineer with a specialization in internal combustion engines. This is an excellent review which proves once again: a) cheaper doesn’t mean necessarily worse b) we should trust manufacturer recommendations for both spares and maintenance intervals as these are the best for regular users
@tssci6774 Жыл бұрын
A more dense, higher efficiency filter will naturally show more resistance to oil flow, thus higher pressure. The ICP test of the wear metals is not reliable in this test scenario. 1st the test will not see particulates above 10 microns, full flow filters are not efficient at these smaller sizes, the filters are designed to flow oil and stop the largest particulates in 30 micron range. Lastly, the small difference wear particles does not take into account repeatability and normal margins of error. A better test is Particle Count using patch membrane. It's an ISO test used to determine the cleanliness of oil and performance of a filter. It separates particles in the oil by size and quantity in the thousands for smallest to less than 100 in the largest. Blackstone can do this test, as well as other labs. A better test is to put the 30 micron aluminum powder in clean oil, filter the same oil mixture through each filter, plus a control oil sample, then do the metal test and particle count.
@Liam13042 жыл бұрын
Always a good idea to have a magnet somewhere in the system. I've been told by an oil tech that full flow filters only remove particles down to 20 microns. Any finer filtration would start to remove additives. BUT ferrous particles down to 2-5 microns will damage bearings and such particles work harden each time they circulate. Remove them ASAP with a magnetic sump plug or magnet stuck to the spin on filter. Obviously especially if one rides an Aprillia ;)
@paulmadreddog2822 жыл бұрын
I thought this was the key takeaway - these filters aren't great at catching the bad stuff at all. As an Aprilia owner my magnetic sump plug brings me joy and despair in slightly unequal doses...
@Liam13042 жыл бұрын
As a Royal Enfield owner I feel your pain brother 😉
@nitacawo2 жыл бұрын
I think KTM thought fuc fixing engine issues and lets just put on lc4 engine 2 paper filters , 2 metal "filters" for large pieces and 1 magnet sump plug. As a result the bastard can eat the dying rocker bearing and still run perfectly fine after you swap it with a new sacrifice. Ask me how I know...
@JatPhenshllem2 жыл бұрын
@@nitacawo How d'ya know?
@JatPhenshllem2 жыл бұрын
@@nitacawo Well?
@Mkjackary2 жыл бұрын
Please compare some “performance” paper oil filters (k&n) vs oem, vs cheap. Would be great to see if there is any difference
@dirkmohrmann89602 жыл бұрын
There can be a big difference in the amount of actual paper in the filters between brands, which should affect flow and capacity.
@fred_e2 жыл бұрын
I second* this suggestion
@jackabrey80332 жыл бұрын
Check out Project Farm for an automotve oil filter brand comparison. Spoiler Alert the KN lets more oil through and traps less particulate. Just like their air filters.
@OklahomaLubeDude2 жыл бұрын
In the consumer market, the filter with the best capture efficiency that I have found are Purolator Boss filters. They typically are rated at or near 15 microns at a capture rate of 98.7% at that size. Most filters are still between 25 to 40 microns with the same efficiency.
@markcolt11142 жыл бұрын
Would be great...but could also possibly be a lawsuit (then again, I don't know)
@elliswayne_2 жыл бұрын
"... But it's an Aprilia so there's a steady stream of metal shavings too". HaHaHA! Been watching for years. Keep us laughing and educated Ryan.
@Pikestnt2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always although as an Aprilia owner, I was deeply hurt 😀
@paulmadreddog2822 жыл бұрын
@@Pikestnt There I was thinking my Rotax would be everlasting compared to the Ducati I couldn't afford anyway...
@Ritalie2 жыл бұрын
I died laughing when he mentioned Aprilia. I was going to try to buy a Taureg 660cc enduro until learning that Aprilia sends engines out that randomly explode.
@elliswayne_2 жыл бұрын
@@Ritalie I had just watched Revzilla's daily rider review of the Tuareg 660. Looked interesting compared to the Tenere 700.
@maxmexo2 жыл бұрын
I laughed while eating my pasta.
@tyrereviews2 жыл бұрын
You've really outdone yourselves this time, outstanding video. Much love ❤️
@keithralfs51902 жыл бұрын
The beauty of Stainless filters is that the flowrate is constant throughout the service interval - Paper and possibly fibreglass will deteriorate over the 5 - 10 thousand klms - there's a good reason we use Stainless in the world of offshore oil and gas - all my motorcycles run on Stainless for the past 20+ years
@beepbop66972 жыл бұрын
4:02 "..but it's an Aprilia, so there is a steady stream of metal shavings.." 🤣
@wanderer77792 жыл бұрын
Well that or it has no oil 🤣. Ask me how i know...
@AltmannYT2 жыл бұрын
By far THE BEST motorcycle channel on all of KZfaq. Incredibly informative, funny, well paced, interesting, high production quality videos every goddamn time. Keep up the amazing work, Ryan and F9 crew!
@valdisbebriss16032 жыл бұрын
Agree! Simply genius
@louvega84142 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, hands down. There are some gems out there; you just. Red to look. Here's another great one from Europe m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hL2dmq2r0dutmKc.html
@mopsnuf Жыл бұрын
I don't drive a motorcycle or otherwise feel like much of a part of its culture, but I'd dare to go even further: between the quality of the writing, the production and the subjects I struggle to find much of anything as well made as F9. I'm always left in disbelief, awe and joy. And those bike reviews.. There aren't many of them, but they're all utter works of art. To me it's one of the hidden gems on KZfaq for anyone who isn't interested in motorcycles.
@garywilson34852 жыл бұрын
With the paper filters, I would like to see you do the same test using genuine against aftermarket. That would give a comparison on price point viability, for me anyhow. Having worked in the trade for 30 something years there was always a doubt in my mind that aftermarket were as good as genuine. Keep the vids coming I really look forward to them. Cheers.
@vaportrail2262 жыл бұрын
What's the answer? I've always used Suzuki branded filters since the price difference isn't that great. But I've wondered about that.
@dazednconfused313372 жыл бұрын
I had a Suzuki filter fail on my SV650 K5 after a couple of years. The bike didn't get ridden or washed often and water can pool in the shed. Sometimes it left a lot of condensation on the bike like a beer glass. The filter had a bit of rust from grass type stuff sticking to it from the road, then sprung a pinhole leak idling in the garden. I switched to a Hiflofiltro 'racing' type with a thicker case. The nut on the end is for removal only. I'll also replace it with every oil change, instead of following the schedule of every two oil changes. I didn't mind originally as it saved money and a website had extensive testing which found the more miles on filter the better it flows.
@ronpfeifer2782 жыл бұрын
Genuine or aftermarket?, the truth is they probably all come from the same couple of factories in Asia. Don't sweat it.
@DragonM109R2 жыл бұрын
the problem is that SOMETIMES.. the "Branded" is just an Aftermarket with a name.. (and higher $$)
@vaportrail2262 жыл бұрын
@@DragonM109R Is it sometimes or most times? There can't be that many oil filter manufacturer's. What do you run on the 109?
@wittenhenderson875 Жыл бұрын
I don't own a motorcycle and I probably never will, but I am so glad I found this channel. Ryan's got jokes and answers all kinds of questions I didn't even know I had about the moto world.
@MrKrimson2 жыл бұрын
this channel prides itself on its perfect pristine presentation - even the awkward jokes are planned to perfection but this little experiment setup is just so satisfying to watch id love to see it being built and designed!
@FortNine2 жыл бұрын
We're thinking about making a podcast for shits and giggles - if we do we'll chat about building the DOUCHE! ~RF9
@terranhealer2 жыл бұрын
@@FortNine that would be amazing 🙏 coming from someone who used to listen to ever Car Talk Radio produced!
@TheTommyCraft2 жыл бұрын
@@FortNine Please do both. An F9 podcast would be amazing.
@RustyPetterson2 жыл бұрын
@@FortNine PLEASE do make a podcast! That would be amazing. It would be extremely popular.
@fvpaquetqc2 жыл бұрын
@@FortNine yesssss please
@quincyfry65692 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if results would change significantly at higher oil Temps experienced while an engine is under load.
@toyfan28122 жыл бұрын
wondering the same. lots change when oil temp goes up
@dariolinder45082 жыл бұрын
The test rig looks like it's intended to heat the oil up with the coils that run around what I think are heating lamps. I don't know to which temperature they heat the oil, but it indicates to me that ryan and his team didn't forget this factor.
@BibekShresthaRaj2 жыл бұрын
@@dariolinder4508 time stamp 4:30 for reference.
@aucklandsadventures2 жыл бұрын
I thought that too I don’t think the filter cares what temp the oil is. It’s not a test on oil itself, which temp would come into play.
@pallecla2 жыл бұрын
Or, if they did 10 filters of each, to prove consistent results..
@kdsowen2882 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy every vid you make . A USA scientist who also rides, tested bike-oils and declared most of them as 'snake-oil' . He showed most m/cycle-oil is dead after a little-over a thousand miles, mainly through heat and possibly shear-factor in shared-gearbox's . Mobil-1 was one of a few that held-up longer . He advised running reasonable quality, cheaper-oil and changing it frequently . Also some paper-filters DO claim faster flow-rates than others, this might be a cool-test to do . Years ago , I had access to free oil for a few years and ran a straight-six petrol-engine, changing it every month-ish .That oil looked brand-new after a while of doing this, once the motor had cleaned-up from repeated-changes . I drove that car hard and the oil only looked 'newer' every change . Something to think about . 51-bikes over 67yrs Dave NZ
@MrBrown-br7sh2 жыл бұрын
I just hit break-in on my first modern bike (still have my '84 GPz 750) but had a choice on filter material for the first time. Feeling pretty good about going with the OEM paper filter.
@devindunn25752 жыл бұрын
One of the most appealing aspects of your videos is the completely transparent honesty. You’re never trying to sell any product in particular, but instead present the facts, backed by research and experimentation. With the mess our country is in politically I think,perhaps, you should be running for top spot. Every presenter should strive to be this clear and concise.
@revhappymv2 жыл бұрын
He did stumble quite a bit with the whole Royal Enfield/ Pirelli video though. He implied Pirelli supplied Enfield with inferior tyres and as "proof" showed the tread depth between Enfield's front tyre (3mm) and an off the shelf Pirelli rear (5mm). Stuart Fillingham did a whole video on it with Pirelli's official statement on it. Do check it out
@darrellhay2 жыл бұрын
You realize he lives in Canada?
@devindunn25752 жыл бұрын
@@darrellhay as do I
@Majyxs2 жыл бұрын
@@revhappymv What idiot gave him that idea? Ryan's video shows that both tires measured were front tires.
@revhappymv2 жыл бұрын
@@Majyxs go and watch the video I mentioned. I didn't want to believe at first either as I've been watching and loving f9 for so long. He doesn't even mention the channel. Just says a big motorcycle youtuber. He presents all the facts along with the statements from Pirelli.
@SteefVG2 жыл бұрын
This channel can make a water bucket look amazing, great content!
@500ccRabbit2 жыл бұрын
I would watch "which water bucket can be best used to wash a motorcycle"
@SteefVG2 жыл бұрын
@@500ccRabbit oh yes 😂 makes the soap foam the best
@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing2 жыл бұрын
Getting bad Stanley Parable vibes here...
@bodaugherty96542 жыл бұрын
@@500ccRabbit Just don't use the fiberglass bucket.
@skytower3092 жыл бұрын
Paper filter media is good, but cardboard construction elsewhere in the filter? No. Don't use Fram for anything. They are junk. Watch videos on a Fram teardown, if you don't believe me.
@theofficialstig2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos so much that even though I'm more of a car guy and don't own a bike yet I still appreciate every one I've seen from you. it's good that you aren't hostile to car drivers like some, it helps to welcome people rather than talking to a closed community
@evanhansen50642 жыл бұрын
Ryan, you’re probably the most persuasive and entertaining youtuber i’ve ever watched. You literally brought me from not knowing or caring about motorcycles to completely obsessed in under a month and i’ll be getting my first bike from a relative in about a month. It’s a 1980 honda cm400t. Thank you for showing me this awesome new hobby!
@demezon65722 жыл бұрын
Magnificent instrumentation (this fine D.O.U.C.H.E - somehow without B.A.G - machine!) and epic script. Ryan & Team for the win!
@russelljohnson45272 жыл бұрын
I had to pause it there and read the label a couple of times! I guess the B.A.G. apparatus would have been a little too on the nose.
@BWolf002 жыл бұрын
Best tongue in cheek video prop for 2022...it's no contest and we haven't even gotten half way through the year.
@LteeP2 жыл бұрын
5:59 "like Germany motorcycles prefer dirty oil than no oil at all", lol that joke is spot on
@paulmadreddog2822 жыл бұрын
The "tainted with... war crimes..." was my fave - not sure Germany should get all the blame for Russian gun-money...
@flexjay87 Жыл бұрын
Another reason people appreciate your channel. Its funny, i have an old Toyota i bought used, and my last oil change i installed an OEM basic replacement NAPA filter. After 3,000 miles, the oil is quite clean, and cleaner than the previous more expensive filters. I thought this result might be anecdotal, since i have been changing the oil more often than recommended , and have been trying to mitigate an oil consumption issue. But the oil clarity now does not lie, its real good. So, this video explains why my results are what they are . Thanks.
@MiguelRPD5 ай бұрын
Buy OEM filters from your local Toyota. Many years ago: a KZfaqr, I forgot who, made a video cutting up oil filters of all budgets. The most expensive and highest quality filter - and one I used up until that video - was Mobil1. Guess who matched it's quality ? Toyota OEM. Mobil1 goes for twice the cost of a Toyota OEM filters. Ever since that video I always use Toyota oil filters for my cars.
@CitEnthusiast2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding testing, thanks for being so transparent. I'm happy your tests support what I've done for 50 odd years, paper filters!
This is why we love FortNine: the best combination of physics & research with a slick and natural presentation.
@UQRXD Жыл бұрын
As a marine diesel mechanic for many years. The oil and I am talking hundreds of gallons per engine in some cases. Is cleaned by centrifugal separators can't get any better than that. This is one of the best dynamic test so far here on YT. Change oil often and use a magnet on the filter. Oil change is cheaper than new engine.
@danielmaslovsky87272 жыл бұрын
I mean how more witty and subtle can you get?!! The DIY lab... no bloody comment. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
@Haromour2 жыл бұрын
So many videos, it's a Christmas miracle!!
@tinbanger662 жыл бұрын
Dialysis of Oil Under Constant Hydraulic Exertion. Well played!😂
@lukewalsh32312 жыл бұрын
Please never stop making videos!! You have arty imagination, humour and credibility… a rare trifecta!!
@Kevin-cy9cv2 жыл бұрын
Just changed the steel gauze "filter" on my 1972 triumph for a later model paper filter, interesting video, backs up my paper filter better than almost nothing theory, thanks
@Alexanderyhwong2 жыл бұрын
Love these type of videos. Ryan is truely the myth busters for motorcycles.
@emiledaudet52552 жыл бұрын
He is also the Jeremy Clarkson of motorcycles.
@gustavmeyrink_2.02 жыл бұрын
@@emiledaudet5255 Do not insult Ryan like that.
@CrashRacknShoot2 жыл бұрын
@@devilselbow much better. James May is a goddamn saint.
@RobbertHoek2 жыл бұрын
"oil filters get tainted with steel shavings, clutch gore, gasket gue, warcrimes" Ahhh yes, wait what?😂
@doodskie9992 жыл бұрын
"War crimes, but like Germany, motorcycles like to get dirty oil rather than no oil at all” Im dead
@dr_naVed2 жыл бұрын
Seriously!! FortNine makes the best motorcycling content, hands down !
@archygrey90932 жыл бұрын
This was great, you should do a similar test between different types of air filters
@684042 жыл бұрын
That's not what this channel is about. Ask Project Farm to do it.
@pedrovergara75942 жыл бұрын
I'm willing to bet the results would not be too different. Yes, viscosity is different between air and oil, but the principles are the same.
@aaronbrown52522 жыл бұрын
@@68404 Project Farm just isn't as funny. Perhaps a collaboration is in order?
@buzzman32002 жыл бұрын
@@68404 PF has already done one. It's alarming how poorly the most expensive K&N filters do and surprising how affective the cheap ordinary ones are.
@hawkdsl2 жыл бұрын
@@buzzman3200 I sorta expected that, but it was rather an amazing test.
@Rocket8662 жыл бұрын
Its a good day if there is a new video from FortNine.
@minimaktig24233 ай бұрын
This is by far my favorite channel of all time hands down, answering all of my questions from oil filters to the best fuel additives. I love you guys please keep making these test videos. I will help in and form I can if need be
@jasonmerkle63872 жыл бұрын
Your videos ask serious questions, then provide answers backed up with sound science and cold logic. This, coupled with your quick wit, dry humor and impossible charisma, make your mini movies marvelous! Thank you F9, you make motorcycles fun,... er.
@BruceGinkel2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY!!!!!!!! Someone figured out how to test these. For years I've been trying to figure out which way is the best and plenty of youtube channels have BS opinions where they cut apart the filter and judge it on it's "build quality". No one has ever posted a video with real world tests like this. Everyone always talks smack on Fram filters, but after seeing this, not really a reason to talk smack on them. Been using them for 10+ years and will keep using them. Anything overbuilt is just a waste of money! Thanks FortNine!!!
@odnamsrazor23642 жыл бұрын
there are plenty of quality paper filters out there, the Wix / Napa Gold family for instance. . you want to use garbage like Fram, keep on with your bad self. i'ma leave the glue for the 5 year olds to eat.
@BruceGinkel2 жыл бұрын
@@odnamsrazor2364Until someone actually tests them, there's no reason to think they don't function well. Your comment is a bit of a head scratcher as it contains neither test data or any real quality claims. You're free to piss your money away as you see fit.
@thomasschmitz37652 жыл бұрын
„Like Germany, motor bikes prefer dirty oil rather than no oil at all“ - so true, literally 😁😁😁👍
@winteronice2 жыл бұрын
I'm so ashamed i moved to this country were 1/3rd of the fueltank funds a warring dictator
@doczinn2 жыл бұрын
Came here to say that.
@burtonrider3692 жыл бұрын
I was an engine performance engineer for Honda R&D before moving to ev and I will say 3 things: 1.) Ryan, you executed this test better than a lot of people would have in professional R&D, well done mate! 2.) most OEM filters do use paper, for cost etc. and it's really good to see it perform so well! and 3.) Generally the best filter you can use for your bike/car is the OEM one, along with the OEM recommended oil. This is because all of the development was done with these parts and oil formulas in mind, so your engine was literally designed to use it.
@eefneleman95642 жыл бұрын
We used to split filters before discarding them. It taught me a lot about what's inside, comparing OE to cheap replacements. They were all paper, but the aftermarket filters used way less folds: i.e. way less filtration surface. I only buy OE or from an OE equipment manufacturer.
@PekelnujDidko2 жыл бұрын
"but like Germany, motorcycles prefer to get dirty oil than no oil at all" - that was smooth! Love your videos, Ryan! Cheers from Ukraine (:
@southernbiker47282 жыл бұрын
I came to the same conclusion years ago in the automotive world. Now do a similar test on air filters to crush all those K&N myths once and for all. Great vid as always btw. 👍
@petezny43432 жыл бұрын
Two other channels did a particulate and flow test on air filters, sorry I can't remember the names. Result, as you would expect, the K&N had the highest flow but of course passed the most particles. On my Miata I put my K&N in when I put the track tires on and I put the paper filter back in when I put the street tires back on.
@storejoshuprite2 жыл бұрын
@@petezny4343 Most likely, it was Project Farm. K&N filters are an oil and gauze system. The higher tge mileage, the better they filter until they get saturated with debris.
@Ritalie2 жыл бұрын
Anyone dumb enough to use a high flow air filter with less filtration, in order to gain 4 horsepower, deserves to have their engine explode. I picked up a K&N filter once on display, and noticed I could see holes in the filter media that let light through! There are visible holes in the filter media. That's not an air filter. High flow filters are good on boats and track vehicles only. If you remove a paper air filter you'll see it packed with fine dirt particulate. Particulate ruins the cylinder walls, obviously.
@TonyRule2 жыл бұрын
@@Ritalie But it also keeps carbon build up down on the back of the valves on direct injection engines! /s
@yurgon2 жыл бұрын
K&N kills off-road engines. Old fashioned oiled foam is the way to go for serious dirt and dust. Twinair and Uni saves top engines. I've seen pictures of road bikes running a K&N filter with all kinds of internal damage. It makes sense because unless you ride in a controlled environment you're going to encounter dust at some point. Sand, dirt, someone mowing their lawn etc etc. I know they make a prefilter for the K&N and it's probably ok for street use then but never for dusty areas.
@markclements2422 жыл бұрын
He's back! So happy to see frequent posts again.
@chrisp56932 жыл бұрын
So nice I watched it twice. This may be the best video about motorcycles without a single motorcycle in it ever made. Keep up the good work.
@mt01152 жыл бұрын
Well for me that proves my train of thought on oil filters. With warranty’s on new bikes and oil change intervals increasing I always figured that if manufacturers were still using paper based oil filters it’s because they deliver the best result.
@bobfg31302 жыл бұрын
Warranties.
@Liam13042 жыл бұрын
Yeah...but ignore those long change intervals eh?
@simonthomas53672 жыл бұрын
Ryan you truly are the guru of all things motorbike! Another excellent clip, thanks dude.
@AndrewSmart32 Жыл бұрын
I've just discovered your channel from this video, despite having no interest in motorbikes I love the effort you've put in
@corbinjeffery2712 жыл бұрын
My favourite Canadian motorcyclist to watch on YT, keep up the seriously great work!
@AskBin2 жыл бұрын
Awesome to see a still unbias testing. Not touting that the most expensive thing is the best because more money. Your just here to give us actual results on what's best for our bikes. Thank you Ryan
@PeterVred2 жыл бұрын
He was right about ear plugs too!
@hakrsakr2 жыл бұрын
Had a guy on /o/ say F9 was a shill. I really don't see it. I told him to watch the tire plug video.
@pujabelgian2 жыл бұрын
Ryan is selling transparency.. his word is his product.
@shaqmaster1002 жыл бұрын
My god I was wondering why I loved this channel so much, Ryan is basically bill Nye for motorcycles the way he demonstrates everything. I love it.
@tubedude542 жыл бұрын
I'd listen to Prof. Proton over nye the NOT the science guy any day...
@TheEvolvingAudioNut2 жыл бұрын
"Ryan is basically bill Nye for motorcycles" why are you insulting Ryan?
@tubedude542 жыл бұрын
@@TheEvolvingAudioNut Exactly... it's an insult!
@the510wagon2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. One of my favourite channels, anywhere, ever. Any chance you could do a follow up vid with a range of different paper filters from different manufacturers? I feel like the D.O.U.C.H.E. has more to offer.
@andreiteodor7302 жыл бұрын
This is one of those of hidden gem channels that's just beautiful to watch. Doesn't matter if you're interested in the subject at all. It's just too good compared to any other effort I've seen in the review industry. The very useful and detailed information delivered in an approachable manner is just bonus. Thank you for being great!
@GetAr7zy2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to top notch production quality and high tier content as always!
@MrMiyagi0052 жыл бұрын
and still 8 people disliked it for some reason
@1998lemuel2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMiyagi005 wait.... how can u see the dislike count? Are you from the past?
@Bugside2 жыл бұрын
@@1998lemuel there are ways, Google it
@TheSar2 жыл бұрын
The content on this channel is getting better and better. So well written and delivered. Well done Ryan and Team!
@ssneg Жыл бұрын
Wow, just wow, Writing, editing, delivery are amazing! Classic F9!
@schelty92332 жыл бұрын
Thank God for that. I just bought a six pack of paper filters for my KLR. I was on the edge of my seat. Great video.
@paulf94592 жыл бұрын
For years I've been running Drag Specialties Chrome magnetic paper oil filter with great sucess in my Harley's, the oldest being a 95 Softail with over 73,000 miles. I've done autopsy's on several of these used filter and was impressed with their construction.
@kazager112 жыл бұрын
Patsy, You've been prolific lately. Keep it up!
@FortNine2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone did it! ~PatsyF9
@kazager112 жыл бұрын
@@FortNine offering up softballs!
@hackedware94462 жыл бұрын
Wow. The production of fortnine is just superbly awesome
@joelnrs Жыл бұрын
Cinematography + excellent story with a plot + project farm = this channel
@flyboy_4632 жыл бұрын
I'm also curious if there's any difference in results between cold and operating temps for the oil EDIT: Ryan replied elsewhere and said the oil was indeed heated for the tests, and since that's what the oil is gonna be under SOP, it's good enough for me
@pleasedontwatchthese95932 жыл бұрын
Also I wonder what the variance is just in brands of the same types of filters
@archygrey90932 жыл бұрын
In this test rig they had the oil heated up hot, don't think they compared it too cold oil though
@pleasedontwatchthese95932 жыл бұрын
@@archygrey9093 I wonder if it was 90c like normal engine oil would be
@JumpingWatermelons2 жыл бұрын
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Definitely not 90c from that little heat lamp in the rig.
@valeriyanev112 жыл бұрын
Temperature would affect only the viscosity (the thickness) of the oil and thus the flow trough the system, but it wouldn't affect the filtering capabilities. However, there would be same changes with the metal filter, but I don't think they'll be any dramatic.
@thetowndrunk9882 жыл бұрын
Ah, been too long since RF9 did a good ole fashioned lab test. I’m digging it
@prograde_adv2 жыл бұрын
I've been running a steel filter in combination with a magnet cover on my 09 BMW 450x with over 13k. Nice thing with steel is the quick oil changes and reduced waste; since you don't have to wait for shipping and no extra packaging. Great content guys!
@rampage3337 Жыл бұрын
will also blow up your bmw sooner or later
@prograde_adv Жыл бұрын
@@rampage3337 hasn't yet and I have now over 15,000 miles on it and still runs like new. Just the change oil, clean air filter, check timing, and ride clean don't over abuse your throttle and use your clutch! Been on everything to Idaho White Cloud range single track, Gifford dual track and Moab slick to the Hole Enchilada. She's a "Big Mountain Women. BMW! Plus its pretty much built by Honda anyway so you can do what ever to it and its still gonna run... My 2 bike quiver with additional 2 stoker 95 200KDX for GOAT rides. I guess anything will blow up sooner or later even us! hahaha Thanks for your feedback on regarding why and how my motor is gonna blow up. Perfect example why the internet is just great and so informative. :P
@prograde_adv5 ай бұрын
PROTIP! @@BeardedBavarianBiker.
@rocktherapy54642 жыл бұрын
Man I love your sense of humor! This episode was great for its content, and the witty jokes.
@marcelenduro30092 жыл бұрын
The amount of effort you guys put into these videos is amazing!
@NickStewartProgrammer2 жыл бұрын
That testing rig is so sick! Well done team!
@mohba012 жыл бұрын
its horseshit. oil galleries are nowhere close to the size of hoses.
@NautilusGuitars2 жыл бұрын
Never leave these videos with anything but amazement. You guys are just incredible. Solid methodology and good humor to boot. A simple subject, but legitimate answers and the proof to back it up. No fluff. Pure content. Love it!
@TJMunger Жыл бұрын
That was a great video! Now all of us need to see the results from the most highly lauded paper oil filters like Wix XP, Purolator Boss, etc etc. You do have the tool for the job after all :)
@talhatariq39942 жыл бұрын
Been watching this channel since I started riding like 4 years ago, content has always been quality. I usually just buy K&N filters for my Triumph, glad to hear it’s one area where cheaping out is the right choice
@MrKrimson2 жыл бұрын
love how for a company i used to know almost nothing about before thinking about learning to ride a bike - im now just unsurprised at just how consistently funny and captivating (and having a tub just of metal shavings) it is
@rayfriend74502 жыл бұрын
Dude, how have you not been nominated for a Nobel Prize for a science for your mind boggling work???
@tbillington2 жыл бұрын
That Germany oil line was absolutely brilliant. F9 impresses like always.
@aaronbanes66682 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you've started pumping out content again. Good stuff! Thank you.
@nico94552 жыл бұрын
This is a masterpiece, Just like every video on this channel. Y'all are doing an insane job
@arachnodose73824 ай бұрын
This and the other video about the precision of manufacturer tolerances are excellent! I hope you make more of these videos. I also appreciate the goretex and your other test videos
@shoefly757 Жыл бұрын
One thing to note with paper and fiberglass vs steel is "one pass" reduction in particulate. Steel is absolute at whatever rated micron. So paper does filter finer, it is also possible that large particulate will pass through and hopefully be caught on the next go around. If steel is rated at 30 micron, guaranteed first pass everything larger than 30 micron will be removed first pass
@IceRhino442 жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan and F9 team! Amazing videos as always. Thanks for educating me about bikes all those years ago. It's been a slippery slope and now I've got 4! It's been quite the ride so far, thank you for making it all that much better!
@emilianoalmonti82622 жыл бұрын
This man is an entertaining genius..
@signore-solomonare1818 Жыл бұрын
F9 just makes simple things more interesting than the whole motorcycle review from other channels. Just uniqueness of F9
@doomer_to_boomer2402 Жыл бұрын
Ah man, I love the subtle, understated humour in your videos. Genuinely lol'd at the flow release valves part 😂
@runalongnowhoney2 жыл бұрын
Question for Part 2: A filter used for it's recommended service life, how plugged up is it? My guess is that most filters get binned with out ever getting close to their "used up" condition.
@glennmerriman83822 жыл бұрын
Yamaha recommended changing oil filter every second oil change. I do this with my car. Change oil every 10,000km, filter every 20k. My theory was that even though filter medium may not be clogged, perhaps contaminants in oil may damage the glue that holds the filter together, or the filter media itself. So I was not prepared to chance leaving filter in any longer.
@runalongnowhoney2 жыл бұрын
@@glennmerriman8382 I have heard of the "skip one" filter changing scheme before. It seems logical, yet the question remains: how close to "used up" are we actually getting? I've always erred on the cautious side, new filter everytime. I've autopsied many a filter. I can't claim to have ever discovered anything except oil-soaked filter media. Maybe I need a microscope......
@kostis28492 жыл бұрын
@@runalongnowhoney Every other one is recommended by Suzuki and Honda too. If it is good for the tiny filter of these hi-performance engines, its more than enough for a car.
@rampage3337 Жыл бұрын
@@glennmerriman8382 nah don't listen to yamaha. you have to remember our clutches and all the shit that we grind off them get's put in to the oil and filtered through the oil filter.
@lwilliams35442 жыл бұрын
Great video and content-rich as always. Love the test rig. I wish I had this information 10 years ago. I learned this the hard way on a High Performance (and price) filter that cost me an engine. I have only used the OEM paper filter ever since the engine loss.
@archygrey90932 жыл бұрын
Was that an oil filter or an air filter that cost the engine?
@lwilliams35442 жыл бұрын
Oil filter.
@shortadventuerer77382 жыл бұрын
My favorite part of riding season is it means new videos from FortNine come out way more! I freaking love his videos they have the best armchair mechanic vids!
@alejogs5002 жыл бұрын
That Aprilia reference was just mean🤣🤣. Great video as always!!
@WlodarM832 жыл бұрын
I'm not that intrested in bikes, but I'm always intrested to watch another great vid from FortNine :)
@pleasedontwatchthese95932 жыл бұрын
you should look into bikes
@Mr.Pidgeon2 жыл бұрын
I don't filter, I burn it, it's a 2 stroke bicycle kit :)
@marcelblais46882 жыл бұрын
Unlike most of the youtube stuff I watch, I feel I get smarter after every video. Good work Ryan!
@6Twisted2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate these tests you do. There's so much misinformation in the mechanic world, much of it stemming from advertising or outdated knowledge.
@Ritalie2 жыл бұрын
Wow that's a really good point. The misinformation is painful. People using high flow air filters for example. Ruining their engine with more dirt. There is the issue of running unnecessarily rich fuel mixtures which also ruin your engine in short order and decrease power. And then there is the octane issue. Low octane fuel actually burns faster and increases horsepower. Buy some people run high octane fuel because they believe octane is the performance rating. So much misinformation. Octane is the rating of resistance to exploding. Higher octane is less explosive.
@acecaferocker2 жыл бұрын
"Dirty oil like Germany" very current gotta love that line! Once again another outstanding review thanks fortnine.
@bibioupa33982 жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE your tests. So scientific and well put together ! Thanks again for your amazing vids :D
@wernerhorl78035 ай бұрын
That was not scientific at all but nice to watch. I work in a company, which produces the paper for all kind of automotive filtration and we do the testing on a sophisticated test rig. The result of the rough and dirty test, however, is not too far away from reality.
@benjaminhornung39552 жыл бұрын
Best bike chanel info on youtube, Just keeps getting better!!!!!! - Cheers from Australia!
@EpicHardware Жыл бұрын
I watched a year ago and I liked. I watched again today and I loved it. He so effortless produce such a high quality content