You said nothing wrong….. it’s the biggest ick to have cars that shouldn’t and wouldn’t be racing each other in a class 🤣

1000% agreed. The GT class that he mentioned got even dumber at what's combined. I totally agree that they need tons of deferent divisions. Like there should be a GTE, GT2 (2019+), GT4, GT3, and so on for just that one division we saw on screen. It's crazy to me that they have gotten worse with it.

they keep class/division numbers low for same reason Forza Horizon made you play all the modes you hated - they are so pesimistic about player numbers that they dont want players to be waiting in any queues.

​@@r35killaatleast those are all GTs, the worst thing is they have added Aussie V8 supercars into the GT class. Those aren't even GT cars!

3,2,1 drive is kinda lame, race tracks use starting lights, race cars use lights, dumbed down version 8.0

Exactly. Having the shapes of the actual hitbox would still show you their direction at the end of the day!

@@yd6655 Exactly. Meanwhile triangles aren't telling me how close the actual cars to making contact. Seems pretty clear one option has far more benefits than the other.

Acc has best radar ive seen

You need better race craft mate, i bet you race on controller to 😂 i mean 97 % of forza players do

@@deezz6935 I agree, in real life you don't have a "radar" and if your using a HANS device your neck isin't moving very much.

I didn't realize that until now, yes it is about time that made it into the game.

fm7 had an update late into its lifecycle with this, so it’s nothing new

@@mrskibum885 Thanks for the info. I must have stopped playing it before they introduced that update. It was just really odd and annoying back then.

That was in Forza 7, I used it for years.

I wish they had fixed the annoying constant flickering between 10th's of a second, just have it update every 1 second instead. @@mrskibum885

Little to no? you mean there are 0 4x4's and SUV's, theres also 0 wacky cars like the isetta and such, also 0 vintage cars like the beetle etc etc

How is that a plus? You realize some of us enjoy having fun at times right? If we did rallycross without the trophy and stadium trucks in CRS, yeah it might have been enjoyable but it sure as hell wouldn't have been as enjoyable as it really was. You realize that the funny stuff helps a game like Forza or Gran Turismo to be truly enjoyable right? If you want a full serious racing game, go to iRacing or ACC. You'll be at home there

if you want a goofy all-fun racing game, just go play horizon. motorsport is supposed to be more of the sim-cade genre, where it's realistic enough to have the simulator feel but accessible enough that you don't need to read manuals before even starting. it's not supposed to be "full serious" but it's not supposed to be a circus either. there's a reason that motorsport and horizon are separate titles and it's not the developers just trying to make more money with a repackaged game. you might enjoy it, but some of us don't like seeing meme cars mixed into the pack when we're trying to do a GT race in horizon and don't have the time and/or money for iRacing. ACC is great for GT but *only* GT because it literally has nothing else.

@@SkylineLofe Exactly like I should be able to race a trackhawk or a ram in a was for trucks or suvs hell maybe even a urus.

I agree! I absolutely hate the “joke” cars and SUVs, so out of place. Although I’m sure they will change this later and add them in much to my dismay

You’re high.

@@brawler5760ah yes, what a great argument

Working on them probably at a pace a business has when "content". I don´t quite see them shoveling in content at the speed that would make me go "full acknowledge and praise". If they publish 20 cars in the next 2 months, with surprise 3 environments, that would show they mean business, and would make me support them more, "despite" the fact they were praising the game and it´s "newness" and tools, for years. The somewhat "easygoing/lacking" content isn´t the "huge pool of racing", that many hah hoped for, me included, racing "forge/blueprints" and map editor/prop placing. The spectator missing, the online backing for proper cataloguing, admin rights and oversight, race and league shceduling, separate voice chat rooms, that functiomn hoewer MS/T10 likes-pit crew "meetings",anything you want,, all that is something I thought they would have. The game´s state could also pointing at possible issues with launching it at a good state, but managing, and holding out on stuff that "they also see should be present", and to make it pristine quality, as they have suffered setbacks in development, so many things present would be temporary, or subject to change in the first months, to even overhauls, within the first year´s time, if they do not expand the menu, nd show that they can mess it as needed, my hopes will fall to 10% of the previous. I mean, the game is great as a Forza can be, but it doesn´t mesh together all the things most thought "could be" there. If this IS THE FORZA, they wanted to make, they need to push the gas on making it more engaging and user friendly. I still cannot unsee the celebrations and stuff like that. The game looks played safe, bordering on dullness, go ham, and introduce new things, it shouldn´t take much, (where is the drag racing?), shouldn´t need 4 dozen meetings to decide on a "compromise" either. I just hope they can now turn it upside down, if they want to. The menu and imposter elegance of FM7, was bleh, the whole thing was terribleu. The celebrations and menu was doing my head in, and I didn´t forget the VIP and lootbox fiasco either, the load times they managed by keeping it all in engine loading assests on XBOne, absolute dogcrap, pretentious "premium product", straining your balls by waiting... The game had great promise, soiled with oversights and loading times, also funky and somewhat crippled, then abandoned. The FRR was a fiasco of huge proportions, just like the drag racing was. The talks about the implementation, and the results, along with the talks of "how They see" the results, said all needed to know they aren´t up to the task. The management and "not all can be done", "we are working on it behind the scenes", 2 yrs later, "see you guys in FM NEW- It WILL USE WhaT WE KNOW NOW" speak, patting their backs was just a shovel full of modern gaming development slowtime bullshit. We need more meetings. Guys. Then they present a new dull motorsport again to such fanfare.

Heavily agree. Was very disappointed to not see any old Mercedes GT cars

They are missing so many race cars. I mean it’s Motorsport and not horizon and there are just a few real race cars. It’s a shame

@@schwarzemuschel7108 The passion has left the building over at Forza. Say what you want about GT7 but at least that game wasn't using vehicle models that date back 15+ years

I am convinced they have multiple cars that were put aside just so they can add them later lol

I really hope they add a few Australian track, otherwise Supercar V8 are useless. They need to change Supercar from being in GT category

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Shame it dose not come close to AC in car handling and wheel support. I would even settle with it being on par with something like automobilista 2.

Yup this right here, one of my biggest worries about the game.

Agreed. I'm hoping they will have an exhibition mode where you can do whatever you want to your car and race with it, and just have it seperate from career mode.

Hopefully they speed up the progression time.

@Flex_Mayo after my first couple of hours, it does feel pretty slow, completing 5 races and 5 practice sessions with one car only gets you about 15 levels, the 3-5 hour per car to reach level 50 looks accurate, with 500 cars at launch, lord help those like me who like to build a bunch of different cars lol

Yeah, my group loves themed events and this kills us. Having to pick solely from stock vehicles to fit the specs rather than build/swap things to meet specs is making for less varied lobbies. Everyones showing up in roughly identical cars rather than the custom built specialized cars we used to have. This will improve over time as people get more cars leveled to a point of customizability but early on its really hamstrung our events.

ikr I know I personally can't wait to have to buy the game another 2 times in DLC just to have cars and tracks that exist in past forza games.

I’m good with everything so far besides the collision sounds which sound a bit harsh whether you scrape someone or full on crash and sometimes the AI go full wreck mode but otherwise I’m enjoying it and look forward to what’s to come

I've personally skipped purchasing this game, I'm disappointed that it's a car RPG, and not Motorsport 😞

I honestly hope they punt that upgrade/level/CarPG system along with the idiot(s) responsible for creating said system. That system falls under the category of "Didn't ask, don't need it, go f*^k itself". I suggest that everyone keep review bombing Forza Motorsport (2023) to make sure that Turn10 knows that they fucked up with putting that system in.

The normal AI in GT7 is definitely rough, but what they're doing with the Sophy AI is really cool!!

@@HokiHoshi I forgot about Sophie. Yes, those races were very cool. I wonder when and if they will implement it.

tbh its pathetic its not already on it

I second this! Would be great to have a base to go off of.

Facts. And then you'll get "test updates intended for the next game"

Yeah, if they do not start running away with things "that should have been in", introducing game modes, options, and other, while tweaking the UI, my hopes are dead in the water for the game to become GREAT. Remember VIP, lootboxes, and "implementing FRR", drag racing?- working behind the scenes, updates soon-TM, se you next time! And the talks go on and on an on self sustaing half truths at best singularly, and a dark molassy volume of stuck up lies, ready to become re-engaged. 6 yrs of FM7 for this? 2 yrs, sure, but come on! I´d expect to be swimming in tracks and new cars and game modes and options, themed championships, new cars, liveries, events, come April. I´ve just watched a "rant" of the man who stands behind the first Fallout, and him telling about people needing weeks worth of deadlines, for work that takes 30 minutes to do. Sure, this was an "additional", boss to programmer task, but it was simple as addition to NPC AI programming. "I need 2 weeks, man." Then we compare the departments together, after 6 months, and see that the sterile dead-face game is not only crap, but doesn´t even work.@@oleh_1337 I don´t think people are expected to be geniuses, but they need competence, like a plumber, joiner, plasterer, roofer, or heavens forbid, a shoemaker. They still work at speed that takes a full human, so they make the most money. The company culture slows things down to a crawl. I did expect more for sure. The re-used assets and replay is pretty demoralizing.

Then why don’t you stick with the games you mentioned? This game is a god damn joke and a half.

@@brawler5760 I'm certainly going to keep sim racing, I just wanted a title with more arcade/fun features that could still be played with a wheel. The handling & FFB is surprisingly good in Forza, but I agree there are many bugs to fix and features to refine right now.

It's a different developer. They share some tech but they are different people working on it

You shouldn't trust a developer that never proved they deserve trusting. T10 and PGG have my 0 trust

@@thevirq what bad did playground games do?

@@adityan3208entire FH5 launch and 1st year?

dont trust someone who says "from the ground up" for 6 years, and still uses 10 yo assets

it's literally a carpg and that's not what anyone wanted

Please

@@ABRacing_agreed, please.

Wipey is trying his best ok