top quality review 🏎 🔥

It's so weird seeing those LMP1 cars sliding.

10:29 dude really is a magician, fist bumped himself into the shadow realm lmao

That 24x speed setting is very intriguing to me. I like the idea of a "1 hour of Le Mans" race with friends online.

You can skip the practice laps by pausing and exit and it gives an option to skip practice. But I think an option to practice or go direct to race would be better.

10:29 first ever recorded off-track shadow realm entry on this game, truly a historic moment

The races not being super short in the beginning is good news for me. Usually in Forza I'm annoyed at being forced to start dead last of super short races meaning the only way to progress is to lower the AI difficulty way below your skill level and race like bumper cars just to have a chance to get to the podium...

Open track day lobbies? For me this was the best feature of FM7, joining lobbies with friends with unlimited racing, just chilling practicing together, pulling over and sitting at the side of the track watching every one race. When you got a full 24/24 lobby of decent racers this is hands down the best feature of FM7 by a long shot, I can't even explain how important it was for me and my Forza group.

19:40 they really should do like GT7 with their water gauge UI. It helped me a TON when i was driving in the wet

The review I was waiting for. Very balanced, objective, and an opinion I know I can trust. Thanks you Alex Albon, very cool

You can skip the practice session by Starting it, then clicking Exit -> Skip Practice.

Really loving the multiplayer races, genuinely feels like well balanced racing with people trying to go fast and be respectful instead of ramming you. Fingers crossed it stays like that after actual release

weird to see the lmp/gt3 cars drifting like that on every corner...

10:29 I’d say it’s a very realistic implementation, Steve he just got bumped into the shadow realm

It's 2023 and FM-3 and 4 are still the best Forza games...

Remember, if you dont like anything about the game, voice your criticism through negative review! Help us get the game we want!

Great review pal. I appreciate you actually showing the setup of custom single player races as this is my go to mode in racing games. One quick question with regards to the ai, how are effective are they at pit stops when the weather changes?

Why do I see GT3 and LMDh cars oversteering in almost every single corner? That is madness to me as endurance enthousiast. Oversteer on those angles = crash, mostly.

Thanks for the detailed review. I was ready to jump into it shortly after launch, but now I think I'll wait and watch what kind of improvements are added to it over time. I feel like it's still not 100% what i hoped for but staying optimistic about their commitment to push out updates after launch 😊

Absolutely Spot on score! Review was done so well. I expected a real HIGHLIGHTED game "WOW" FACTOR... so to speak! Time will tell with additional content and actual experiences. Still happy that Forza put out a new game. Thank You! 😊

For folks that don't know : First off, head to settings (either via the main menu or in-game) Head right to 'Gameplay & HUD' Scroll down to the 'Camera' section All of your FOV options are laid out here. That's for console & PC

It's amazing that a person who's career was dependent on this genre is still very unbiased to the review. Love you Super GT

A very measured and thorough review, Steve. Coming from you, a Forza veteran, the analysis carries more weight. I had watched a stream by a popular streamer who was positively gushing, and he's normally a GT7 racer/fan. His review had me excited, even looking up prices for consoles, but now im very wary and suspicious. Like I said, your review seemed fair and handed out both compliments and critiicisms. Well done.

I do agree as someone who likes realism I think it falls short for me in that regard. What impresses me, is the way the devs handled lighting. I cannot explain how difficult it is to merge those mechanics to produce the effects they did. I still do think gt 7 is my current go to just because the game is more focused on realism. I am still going to keep playing for a motorsport because it’s fun.

Tip if using a controller - go into the advanced controller settings and set the deadzones to 0 and outer zones to 100 for brakes and gas. Not sure why you’d want a delay on the triggers and not want the full range of their motion to control the car. I also did the same with the steering deadzone (set to 0) otherwise it just feels delayed when turning 👍

Just came from Jimmy’s review. He wasn’t holding back on the force feedback 😂

Not being able to buy a car and tune it freely kills the one thing that kept me playing previous forza games. Myself and friends would chose a theme and class (eg mid engine class B etc) and see what we could come up with, both in races and time trials over the week. From predictable grip and weight reduction cars to wild engine swap boats, we would try them all and have a great time doing it. It's such a shame that's gone, it's the biggest strength of the franchise IMHO.

Most fair review I’ve seen. The handling just isn’t there. Not enough grip so everything feels loose no matter if it’s a starter car or a Porsche 911 even. Hopefully they focus on handling and tyre model in the next patch and this game could be very good. 7.5 is spot on.

I miss Forza's SuperGT's videos. Loved the old rammers videos.

You’re the goat of forza motorsport excited for these videos and more shadow realm entries.

Turn 10 has continued their practices since the first title , give you new stuff in the next title and take key things from the previous ones that made the game good. Great video!

An actual decent review by someone who actually knows what he's on about. I still don't like the vehicle levelling system and i hope it's something that can be changed down the line. I love being able to buy a normal car, spend 10 minutes or so upgrading and tuning it and then seeing how it compares to other cars like supercars/hypercars, touring cars, GT cars etc etc.

i'd love to see you try out assetto corsa competizione, and maybe plau through a few championships, that game is insane in terms of realism and overall physics. The sound is also out of this world, and so is are the graphics. As someone who spends a lot of time in gran turismo, i'd love to see your take on ACC

I think the levelling should be on the car manufacturer or the car class and should stay unlocked for all

After playing Forza 7 for 84years it’s nice to finally be able to start a brandnew Forza adventure.. bit of a disappointment that the Nordschleife isn’t in the tracklist yet, I can’t wait to give that a go. This review has been the most helpful in terms of knowing what to expect and pay attention to when I finally start the game for the first time later this day, so thank you for that. And I will be stealing your wheel settings for sure 😂

I love that tier 7 AI was giving someone of your driving caliber a good race. I think that is encouraging! Thanks for review

I'm quite sad that they're not launching with the Nordschleife. I never really liked multiplayer so probably the last 100 hours I've logged have been setting lap times there in different classes.

I hope that we’re able to actually see the track getting rubbered in as well as physically feel it too. One of the things I really want to see from this game is

hope to see more forza content from u love ur gt content but love to see both worlds as someone who grew up with both Forza and GT but u do what u do as long as ur having fun that's what matters. Also ur cool behind the real wheel.. honestly i have motion sickness i would of loved being in gt races and all since kid me always wanted to still do but yea. Awesome and also my partner loves ur content as well she loves cars espically the ins and out of it

This game has absolutely no soul at all

Really good review, you should do more of them with other games even though your bread and butter is drving 👍

honestly, im just happy theres a new racing game that gives us stuff to do inbetween races. i love sim racing but sometimes just non-stop racing in public servers or leagues gets boring.

Great review! And all the new cars and tracks they will add in the future are going to be free. No crazy microtransactions. If they keep the support for a long time, this game has a very bright future ahead

14:12. OMG! I've never seen that layout at Laguna Seca before! Man I wish I could afford more than Real Racing 3! I wish we had those cafes in America where you can just go and play, I'd be stoked with just that. Thanks for the videos! Someday I'll get to try one of these amazing sims.

The whole leveling the car thing is what bothers me the most, on one hand it is a nice addition to see with which car you are proficient and possibly good, but to lock tuning parts and such behind that is just a big ass nope considering that in FM7 you rarely use the same car for more than one race. It is great to see that the Penalty system was improved, especially track limits, which were terrible when they added it at the end of FM7 development life.

A positive note is they said the engine can be continuously developed after launch based on our feedback unlike the previous engine so I really look forward to seeing how well they actually listen and how much there willing or able to improve and actually make it better

Thanks for the very interesting look at the game. I'm looking forward to playing it, though given the pre-release rumor mill I was somewhat concerned. It looks like it is fairly solid and we will get our money's worth out of it.

I've played Forza since the first one came out. Every new version of the game has been a compromise in one way or another and I've overlooked a lot of shortcomings thru the series because at its core you could come home from work, spend your 2 hours upgrading 2 or 3 cars to various classes and feel very satisfied. With this new upgrading system it feels like Turn 10 is gatekeeping my right to enjoy the game. I'll be damned if I'm going to give them a dime just for them to throttle my experience.

Great detailed, honest review. Thanks mate. Seems like a solid package which will get better over time but not the leap I was hoping for unfortunately :(

The lack of sharpness is because they've moved from MSAA to TAA.

The boost lag I feel like is more realistic in this game finally. So far at least. Great review! See you on the road!

I gave this game a strong 3/10. My disappointed in the development in the game is that it is now iteration #8. There is no heat soaking, no ecu tuning, no reliability/degradation to the vehicle, upgrade a 200hp engine to 400hp and do a million hours at lemans with no engine failure, and just so much more that would remotely give you the sense of realism when building a track car or racing the car on track. I'm not saying over do it, but add some realism to the game - the true motorsport. As far as upgrade goes, I do wish Forza and GT took a chance a bit more and by that is expanding on the typical 3 stage builds. I would love to see that when you click on Engines>>>Turbo>>Compressor>3stages, Turbine>3stage, Down Pipes>3Stage, Intercooler>3Stage, or Wastage>3Stage. With more power you decrease reliability, and that could mean your vehicle will last 3 laps or 15 laps before you see failure.

I feel like turn 10 asked him to review the game and he did it with little enthusiasm and I totally get it. Playing Gran turismo 7 and then going to this game is like downgrading from a ferrari to a corvette. I had hope for this game and I thought that Gran turismo 7 would finally have good competition but nope, they have a lot of work to do before they can actually get close to GT7, Both in the gameplay department and even more in the graphics department.

Fair Score Mate with a launch. I believe that is a very fair assessment

Looking very forward to playing after work today. I have the exact same wheel and pedal setup as you. Looking forward to seeing what you think the best settings are for the the fanatec dd1. Great video!

Been waiting for ages for this game on my XSS and all along i should probably just have been playing Project Cars 2 on my PS4 Pro instead, ah well. On the plus side thats about 100gb freed up on my ssd! Awesome review!

nailed it .thank you for a superbly put together piece.

Really good review Steve. It seems like a lot of the things that they are lacking on can be easily improved with some quality of life updates down the line. Seems like some fine tuning on a few things will help keep this game alive for a few years until the next installment.

Great review. You've actually pushed me to get it. I was holding off due to all the bad reviews but this was a solid review. Thank you. Would you mind posting your Fanatec setup? At least so I could start in the ballpark of a decent set up for the wheel? Thanks!

The tuning is what draws me to Forza. The way they've structured it here, I don't see myself picking this up anytime soon.

So glad your review is fair here and I think 7.5 out 10 is very fair mate, agree with the higher speed cars and over rotating maybe setup changes will fix some that 🤞online is 100% going to be interesting how it develops with more players etc as I’ve found it surprisingly enjoyable online. Fair honest review it’s why I’ll always watch these videos, not over hyping just 100% honesty.

I kinda like the level system, however if you buy 2 of the same car it should be whatever level the first car is. I’ve always had a progression issue with Motorsport after FM4. After 2 months of the game I’d have all the cars I want and I wouldn’t progress through the game. This makes me want to play the game and have a progression that makes you work for what you want. With the customization I feel like if you level up to a certain level everything should be unlocked, kinda like MW3 and BO2 back in the day with prestige.

Terrific game, super fun. I'm 20 hours into it, and I love it. I play the Builder's Cup solo career and the Rivals mode. I dont play online tournaments, but the game needs a permanent internet connection all the same, unfortunately. I recommend a wired connection rather than wireless, as any data interuption might cause the game to get stuck when loading a race. I've felt connected with every car I've driven so far. It's like I'm one with the car, feels amazing. The control is very good with a regular controller. Cars are responsive and physics feel great around corners. I don't have a wheel, but I might end up getting one just for this game for an even higher sense of involvement. Improving your car level and pilot level feels rewarding. The more you drive, the better your drive around the tracks, the more points you get and the faster you evolve as you get access to more performance parts and upgrades, which unlock progressively. You need to work your way to the top, and you become a much better driver in the process. I'm at difficulty 5/8 and choose to start the races from the last place on the grid for a bit of challenge. I win all the races with relative ease, so I might need to raise the difficulty to 6/8. Graphically, I don't like the lack of colours under certain lighting and weather conditions, it all looks washed out, and kind of misty a bit too often. On a clear day, tracks can look great, though. The overall muted colour palette around tracks doesn't apply to cars, which show more vivid colours. Why have Turn10 chosen to go desaturated beyond realistic, I wonder? Maybe a stylistic choice. I don't care for ray tracing. I find it pointless. Would rather dedicate resources to other aspects of the game, like AI. In real life, there are far less reflections than what RT is trying too hard to emulate. No such thing as a mirror effect everywhere in the real world, except perhaps on a rainy day and a wet road. I do appreciate 60fps, makes a huge difference compared to 30fps, which to me is bordering unplayable and doesn't belong in this console generation. I dont see the point of offering this option in a 12 Tflops system, to be honest. I noticed something I didnt like in the replays. When braking before the bends, it shows the wheels strangely locking up in the replay despite driving with ABS on, and the brakes dont turn red as they heat up. Looks bad, especially when the wheels stop turning. The choice of cars is great as it is, but a bit more tracks would be nice. Turn10 say they're working on those, we shall see. Overall, for what I personally value in a racing game, this is a blast. It strikes the perfect balance between arcade and simulation, and you can easily tweak it one way or another with the aids. I give it a solid 9/10, despite the very muted colour palette, small glitches and required permanent connection to play solo, which in the end don't weigh that much in the scales to me.

Playing as your talking, got it on game pass then bought the premium upgrade for £26.99. Will finish listening before I got to bed. So thanks for the video, keep up the good work

Most complete review I've seen so far!

I had a great time playing with an old Miata the Golf and the old Subaru brz. It hits the perfect spot for a casual but still believable racing experience, at least with road cars. Graphics are very detailed and makes finding breaking points easier than other games. It feels a very balanced game. The only thing I miss are... tracks! Not enough European or Asian technical tracks.

well done nice review especially as you playing it on the XBOX series X I think this is the only one true review on KZfaq I can't trust the other reviews soon I will try it on the Xbox series X on the game pass

10:28 The magician pulling off a flawless disappearing act never gets old.

A big issue I had in 7 was the bot difficulty at max difficulty being oddly faster than the player can make the same car go. I would tune a car as much as I could squeeze out of it and yet the slower car somehow passes me which just baffles me. A shame forza glue is still there as that also felt unjust when the aggressive AI would ram me in a corner to keep a line, and a shame the AI seems to act just like the forza 7 ones with the skill packs in races where its always two ahead and 4 or so far behind that slows down when you finally pass them. Also agreed that Forza edition cars shouldnt be a thing and just let us decide if we want a body kit or not. Also one day for sure we will get bumpers and fenders and wings falling off again, one day.

I feel like they could've done so much better considering the junp from 2017 to 2023

I love the multiplayer, got straight into S rating, waited a few days for the rammers to lose their rating, got into it and haven't encountered any rammers, its just been fast, fun clean racing.

Good review! I like how you're less dramatic about everything compared to other reviews I've seen («this is the best thing ever»/«this kills the game and would justify a terror attack against Turn 10 studios and their families). Also your very posh way of speaking makes me trust everything you say 😅

Can't wait for your 1000 lap stream when Nordschleife is out 😆 Fortunately I've been able to spend the day in New Zealand from my room and play early-early access - You've summed the game up very well, hit everything and as I was watching could guess to a pretty good degree what you were going to say about everything. It'll be interesting to see how the multiplayer is, whether we actually end up with good competitive racing or whether it'll be Wreckfest 2

As a core PS5 - GT7 player I do also enjoy the Xbox's Forxa games. FM7 was a disappointment due to the horrible online (ramming) experience. Downloading Forza Motorsport as I write and despite some of it's shortcomings really looking forward to it. I really hope online is fun. I do love all the leaderboards in Forza, something GT7 lacks. Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport are not really direct competitors, they both offer different experiences. I like to play both of them.

I love your honesty. For me, I drive with a wheel. Shifting is horrendous until you can unlock aftermarket transmissions.. Painfully, you have to slowly let off the gas, slowly push in the clutch, slowly shift, and reverse so you don't rev bomb and upset the car. Frustrating when hard cornering, etc. In no time I had $600k+ and can't buy a transmission to fix the shift time because it's locked behind a car level that takes 30+ minutes to get to; for every car. With that being stated, the physics have stepped up. I get what they were going for but hopefully they abolish the car level system. I hope they re-evaluate it.. until then I've refunded.

Thanks for the great review. It sounds super grindy for a single player gamer like me. I was planning to buy it on day one but now I'll wait for a deep sale.

I played for about 2 hours now and i am having a blast. I just hope i can find some settings that work with my g920 because the settings as i have them right now are meh but still fun though. I am too stupid to find my own settings though, i always mess something up xD. The AI is ruthless though, they really do race like you aren't there sometimes but then there are times where they go side by side with you. Can't wait to play more.

Seems solid, a good foundation for something really great. Looking forward to seeing every out there!

Great review btw, and yes 7.5 is a solid score coming from someone with lots of experience with racing and racing games.

10:30 yup he's a magician

Edit: I am greatly mistaken. Forza Motorsport is not using Unreal Engine but Forzatech Engine by Turn 10 studios. They are probably focusing on a cinematic style thats why it looks like a game made from Unreal.

It's nice to meet you in multiplayer mate, ggs! 🤝

I like the handling and how you can kinda feel the grip of the car. It makes it very easy to tell where you are on traction limit. BUT the intro was RIDICULOUS! Why tf do I have to do 3 races just to play with my friend. Absolutely insane

The most important point imo is the multiplayer. Practice, Qualifying and Racing with Safety and Driver Rating. That is all I wanted for a approachable, easy to pick up game for the PC. Just like Gran Turismo - sadly only for the PlayStation. I hope Forza will have more variety in the Races. Gran Turismo only features normal road cars, GT2 (rare), GT3 & GT4 for official online races. I wish there would be more. So I hope Forza will give us more variety. Atleast more in-depth variety like only cars from the 1980-1990s or a certain Manufacturer. I saw in the video you have driven like a Oldsmobile Nascar online? Which would indicate there is more variety. Wish there would be a topic about this in this Review but it's probably way too soon to be able to talk about that.

As someone who will be picking this up but will continue playing GT7 I would like to hear you opinion on the comparison between the 2

I found with manual with clutch, if you hold the clutch a little longer than just a slide you can still power shift and it feels good, quick gearshift and maintains the power

Great to see someone with an honest review and not a fanboy console war type review…i will be playing this and i wonder how it compares to gt7

Looks like there’s a good base game, and new content and tweaks can make it a success. Some of the changes are bigger than they seem, well done to the team and good luck in making it successful. You need big balls to compete with gt7, this is going in the right direction.

hello steve viewer here i hate the upgrade system that’s it👍

I raced and competed in Gran Turismo, spanish Championship. My first impression of the game by just watching the vide... looks alright, but, you can just tell there is a real problem with the oversteer on the physics of the game, it just looks odd, weird and doesn't seem to make any sense... Supporting your racing as always! Keep it up Steve!!!

So detailed review! Kudos to you, sir!

From what I've played so far, the game feels really good on controller. The multiplayer format is also really nice tbh. It's a good thing for me, because that's legitimately all I needed out of the game. For single player, it's very tedious. I expected it to be, and it's hard to ignore. The upgrades being locked by level is absolutely braindead. I don't know who thought of it, but they need to be fired. I think the money will be fine over the long term, but they should still up the amount of money you get. I hope the community pressures T10 into making these sorts of changes sooner rather than later.

Can't wait to lunge... I mean dive in! Looking forward to more Motorsport content!

Great review mate! Looking forward to playing it when I releases! 👍

The car levelling is welcome, in my opinion that is what has been misssing from forza for a long time. Where is the fun in getting 50 super wheel spins and getting everything you want within hours of playing the game. Not to mention, it extends a feeling of ownership and reward for the cars.

Biggest question I have. Do you think that FM offers a solid opportunity to have a competitive class specific league?

1:46 you can skip every practice and go straight to the race. Start practice and immediately go to the menu, exit event and there is an option to skip practice

When doing practise laps you can pause and go to exit to get the option to skip the laps, but you wont get car exp

I have traditionally focused on Forza titles. Recently I've been dabbling with ACC and enjoying that. Forza MS has always been more approachable yet still fun. But I have to say, the new release reviews are giving me pause. If this was a next release, 24 or so months following the previous then all this probably adds up. But it's been seven years since FM7 hit the streets. I will likely give it a try. Maybe a birthday or Christmas gift. But this certainly seems to be a lack luster product following 7 years of development. Yes I know, part of that time was impacted by the virus. Even still there was much more dev time allowed than usual. For now, I am feeling down about this release. That's unfortunate.

I'm glad you addressed the replays, it's a deal breaker for me since I already have f7 with it's crap replays. F4 was the last time the replays were good to watch, it looked like genuine sports coverage, then they decided to lock the cameras to the car and zoom in and spin round so you can't see anything, such a shame cos I used to love doing a race and then having a smoke while I watch the replay, oh well.