You ain't wrong there. It hasn't changed since the very first borza game.

Cockroaches, Bloody Corsa's and Forza Aero

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@animaltvi9515Not true it’s got worse since they went to Xbox one somehow the 360 era aero wasn’t an eyesore.

​@@animaltvi9515 Not true, the original Forza actually had more Forza Aero options, if I'm not mistaken there were atleast 3 Forza wings to each car that allowed wings, a front Aero piece, and also a rear piece which removed the original exhaust and exchanged it with new holes in the bumper with exhausts out of it, to more resemble race car customization. I do wish we had those rear pieces back, or something new and similar.

we will outlive Forza I think this game is going to flop like dead fish. player base will die off after 3 months like motorsport 7 did. and horizon 5 did.

And irl wing 😂😂😂😂😂

😂

I wanna see a no name Chinese company make an IRL Forza aero kit xD

@@SUPRAMIKE18 🤣🤣🤣🤣 bruh fr acts like that wing isnt a wing you can buy irl 🤣🤣🤣🤌 bruh its a wing you can buy irl 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@Zombietakumiae86 IT IS!!! OMG I need one for the laughs

Which means it isn't they said that on all previous ones.

It’s all to show that they’re “original” and “authentic”

They overhauled the engine, which is a big deal, and maybe they even reconsidered every single element of the game, but the marketing department has exaggerated that to their own detriment.

They did, but in 2005

This is just bs wtf is this

I don't mind the graphics but come on they way they were hyping the graphics I was expecting some graphics I've seen 360/ps3 car models that look better

It's just like GT5s Standard and Premium cars all over again... smh.

That is just dumb lazy to do that

My fh5 is bugged so badly every time I change gear with clutch the car revs away out to limiter so annoying

​@@jodyjo_gd3except GT has accurate models

Of them 😉 I ain’t included

I think sometimes they forget that we are people and see us as bags of money that somehow play video games.

@@GamerErman2001 lol yep

EA? They don't think you're stupid, because to them you aren't a person at all. They think you're a wallet to be drained, that's it

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M probably the former cuz the ones that i looked up from FM4 at least were still in business. And even then 1. Forza has made custom kits before and 2. There are other manufacturers that they can contact. But i think they know that it would require a rescan of certain cars

The parts themselves are usually given the ok from the manufacturer as Forza hasn't used licensed parts since Forza Motorsport 2. So only generic looking stuff will be seen now. I'm sure it's not hard to actually look at manufacturer source aftermarket parts and use those. GT does that with a bunch of cars, you can actually see that with the C8 which was added some months ago. There are options, those choose not to use them for whatever reason, could be budget or time, dunno.

Licensing might be an issue, but take the NFS route. Model the shapes of the parts after real ones, but just don't brand it. NFS kills it with their customization, even though they have customization from one type of era (2010 - 2020s based customization)

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M That's not always the case. The Kaminari body kit for the Honda CRX is missing the side skirts, but has the front and rear bumper. There's also the famous F&F Bomex kit for the Toyota Supra, the front bumper is missing (replaced with another incorrect Bomex front bumper) but the rest of the kit is still in-game.

@GH0STST4RSCR34M I'm not talking about manufacturers. I'm referring to parts suppliers and tuners. You can have generique shapes that are inspires by real world parts but not officially them. The Crew even does this, but to a less realistic extent.

I swear to God, when I just saw the Lan Evo VI Model in FM 2023 it kind of makes me want to see GT7's Lan Evo VI again and again...

Well GT7 uses AI from 2005, so they just saved money elsewhere 😂

@@jakubholy2506maybe because you put the game on the easiest possible mode, but gt7’s ai is definitely not that bad lmfao

@@jakubholy2506 That's AI ... Most don't care. We wanna look at and feel OUR cars. So models is more important than AI behavior.

Now only if we can get the GT3 camera

Except the car models are accurate just bad puxelated in Ps3 era but now are working harder to be the best in car modeling accuracy even the correct body paints

not as bad as Motorsport 7, with over 700 cars, but I agree no matter

@@olavofernandes7286 Maybe if you mean to say more accurate then Gran Turismo was back when they had literal PS2 era cars, because the old Forza Models have some hilarious inaccurate cars. Look at how bad the Forza Nissan Silvia S15 is the shape of the car is SO OFF compared to a real life or even other game Nissan Silvia. Same thing with the Eclipse GSX in Forza - it looks so wonky compared to how its supposed to look, some of the lines near the back window of the car go too far back.

Wouldn’t surprise me if they made them by hand and slapped on textured from photos of the car like was done in the 90s lol

Forza cars are outsourced to multiple teams, each with differing abilities. Whereas GT has like just a few artists, but highly & more consistently talented artists

Not exactly what the community meant by progression lol

That's just unreasonable. The game was too easy in the past because they would throw money and cars at you for having a pass or playing a previous game. This just makes other progress you've made irrelevant when you switch vehicles.

It's ridiculous to think people making this feature thought It was a good idea for the game to be more enjoyable. Carlists grow so fast we usually don't even get a chance to drive them all, now we have even less of a reason to do so. They wanna put an emphasis on building our cars, give us control of our car on a test track where we can add/remove/adjust our car without loading screen or start/stop session shit.

@recklesscanyonrider5636 yup. The more I think about it the more of a turn off it is. If the crew mf is any good, I might just hold off on fms

@@recklesscanyonrider5636 ....you joined the forza bandwagon late huh? This was how the games original campaign used to be. Just less restrictive. it is a nod to the days of old, and an attempt to bring back passionate racing with cars you love.....not just buying a bone shaker, and slapping on the latest AWD meta tune. Also, I Do not know how anyone is not driving at least half of the cars in the game. There is such a vast variety of things to do in the game that that incentivize trying different cars out. The whole point of forza vista and cockpit view was to promote wanting to get behind the wheel/select different cars. Playground modes, drifting lobbies, different class hoppers, time trials, hot lapping, drag racing. They all call for a variety of different kinds of cars, different engine combinations. In other words, if all of those facets of the game did not inspire you to explore the options available to you, you did yourself a huge disservice. The game is amazing simply based on the level of customization and variety. Literally every build can be unique in its own way.

for sure.. but the graphics in the crew are really like a mobile game. Sucks the most for myself.

in motorfest?? Unless you are talking about 5 year old crew 2 @@thornscorn8172

@@thornscorn8172 im the pants way, as long as the game is fun, i dont really mind, though i dont want it to look like CR4P🗿

@@FranquitoMV2004the graphics are not the problem in Forza it’s the inconsistency, one car looks like it belongs in real life the other belongs to a 2005 game. Inconsistent takes you out of the moments doesn’t matter which game.

Crew games are aweful in all aspects tho

It would look better at least.

Or they could just make their own or just make 2-3 sets available for all or the majority of cars. NFS and Gran Turismo have done or have been doing this. It's frustrating because I have no frjvxvdh idea why that's so difficult.😂

They should at least bring back the old forza wing from the 360 era. They have the models and have no problems with using near 20 year old models. The old forza wing in some cases actually looks good, while the current forza wing never seems to look good.

@@ToLooseGoose It won't happen because then they'd have a pay a 1099 contractor for a few hours of work to model decent wings.

Filled with old content? What, like 5 cars out of 500

Mf it's a motorsport game I don't care seeing I won't be seeing the car in action anyway

I have a good feeling it will be.

I mean. I'm not even surprised at this point. Motorfest is gonna be amazing!

The "built from the ground up" is as useless to me as "16x the deiail" from Fallout 76.

although same time he violates fair use

​@@lukedanielgalon1596no he doesn't

????

Dude, the fact that upgrading the exhaust doesn’t change the exhaust look is stupid to me. They’re so lazy, that only a few cars can change the look on the exhaust tip by changing the bumper

I'm jealous of ps gamers with GT, ESPECIALLY with VR!! I just always disliked the way the camera makes it look like the cars standstill and the maps moving like the old arcade games.

Exactly. If you look closely, the carpg system is the only new feature in terms of gameplay. The stuff they've put into the new practice session is all stuff that you used to do in the old games just alongside the race. I think those who are celebrating this upgrade system at the moment will quickly realise that it gets boring pretty quickly to grind each car individually.

Then dont complain about the lacl of cars then

Like with everything, cheapest bid, the higher up who say, "Well we already paid for the rights to use the model.. why get a new one?" Need for Speed STILL had the Challenger concept car in their games while the Hellcat existed. lol

@@NXT_LVL I never even noticed it tbh I guess because I tend to stick with JDM cars 😅. But seriously some Indy games end up with better car models

Sure, Animeavatar Bunchanumbers.

@@ferrarimanf355 well said brandnamebuchanumbers

​@@ferrarimanf355 he vexed cuz he knows forza is outdated

@@rheon6699 Sure, Jan, keep saying that.

I recently played through Nexomon Extinction, a Pokemon style game, and it really highlighted to me how Forza is taking a single element of those games and mistakenly thinking it will help their game to include that one element when all the other elements aren't there. Fortunately, it will probably be possible to AFK level up cars in FM if it has the same auto steering as FH5, and the devs will probably be quietly happy for players to do that, as it all racks up their time played stats.

Forza 3/4 had great progression

I can assure you it will be 240+ degrees of rotation

@@LaidBackDeveloper yeah let's hope for the best then 👍🏻🙂

It's 360, 180 each way.

Id like them to stop lying and actually provide us with high detail models.

I play FM7 and have literally never played any PvP or even the campaign. I just go into freeplay and select the car I want. Then I disable the drivatars cause the game pits an SLS against my Camaro cause I use my Horizon tune on it..... I've no interest in not being able to do up my cars until I grind it out. I like Forza cause I can just take the car I want and rag it around a track

Wtf are you on? All people do is complain about it 24/7

Would be great, they're the only ones that seem to lock out anyone that wants to give feedback 🙃

Yeah um this feedback needs to be shared.

​​@@BlackPanthaathey already know this man they hiding in the bushes untill release 😂😂😂

Another thing that bugs the shit out of me, the transition is so terrible & has been for years. Gran Turismo visuals have been the standard for years, & it looks like they'll continue to be.

@@Zerofightervi I play modded assetto most times and honestly nothing about what I see visually makes me wanna switch

@@raptorjeezus2607 I don't blame you, I'm not a PC gamer so I have to except these low effort games unfortunately. That or I just don't buy them.

Look at how bad the Nissan Silvia S15 looks in Forza compared to real life... It hurts that we have had to deal with that for so long, because either Forza Devs don't care or the community ignores it. Same thing with the Eclipse GSX in Forza - not as terrible as the Silvia S15 but the lines near the back window of the car are still too far back, throwing off the beautiful shape of the car. It really hurts something else when the cars you like look that ugly even in 2023 with a Triple A game that has a high budget.

​@@angelpacheco1608the AE86 looked horrible too

When you consider that the cars they keep ignoring have the biggest cult following. I want to see the Evo VI with the real life body kits available, Veilside DTM wide kit, the Varis wide kit. They could even produce the Evo IV & V from a new VI car model very easily as it's the same chassis. I mean the V & VI are basically the same bar the front bumper & rear wing. Or even push the boat out & finally give us Evo I II & III.

Thank you!

You deserve it

​@@BlackPanthaanoooo Thank you for giving us good content that is not copy and paste !

​@@Ice_Soup_3kYou're still not letting this go huh? I respect the glazing

@@kontrolldalion6937 my pleasure

No Fujimi Kaido at launch. I don't think it will be there later too...

You really think their gonne change a lot not even a month before release wouldnt bet on it dont pre order is all im saying

Agreed. I will not be pre ordering and have been warning others against it. The hard core fans will still do it though.

But it's not the infamous dendelion yellow lancer evolution of gran turismo 3 but that specific model is back in gran turismo 7 with detail interior

After a while!

Ive cancelled xbox live, game pass, ect im done with it all. I have all the old school games i could want, they dont req internet or paid subscriptions and wont try to sell me in game items/currency and wont show me adds.

Done purchasing new games as well, they can make and release whatever they want im not buying.

These promo videos have cemented it as a flop. Look at the comment sections

@@HRM.H Yeah people are mainly looking at the visual quality of the game, they also have been inconstant with game quality during the year, some videos are looking good, other are looking flat and boring... I don't even know what to think at this point...

And the CRX will still be missing side skirts, guaranteed

​@@ChrisPBacon9probably just have Forza bumpers like always

They added a cel shaded like filter on that crap, and they added a low contrast sepia filter to this one similar to starfield on moons. You’ll notice blacks aren’t deep black but bright

good point

What a bad excuse seriously in real life the only thing that would limit you is money this systhem is shitty at best you could have all the money you want in the game and not even upgrade a single thing

its way too much though, it would make more sense if they just did it by making it a bit harder to earn credits and lock classes of car behind a section of the game so for example you break all the cars into a bunch of categories (e.g. entry level daily drivers, high end daily drivers, warm hatches, hot hatches, super hatches, sports coupes, super coupes, sports cars, super cars, entry level race cars, pro-am race cars, pro race cars, extreme race cars, rally classics, rally modern, extreme offroaders (ie dakar type), race trucks, drag-street, drag-pro, drift-street, drift-pro) and then create a series of events you need to complete to unlock that entire category, then you can leave upgrades available from the start as long as you can afford them, then you could make it take say 3-5 hours of gameplay to unlock an entire category which is enough to make it feel well earned and making credits slightly harder to earn means youll still need to gradually upgrade the car as you run through those events and not just slap the top end upgrades immediately, but you're not then making us play for say 15 hours just to max out three cars of the same category (which noone would end up doing unless they were desperate to get the meta car after finding out their first choice was the anti-meta which wouldn't even be a problem if the game would be balanced better.)

@@RWoody1995 sounds good

People can just remake them, this is no excuse

So then they're scrapped. Quality over quantity.

complaining about an ugly as hell wing model that has been reused for almost a decade and is still the ONLY option for most cars that allows adjustable aero, meaning you HAVE to install it if you want your car to perform the best =/= complaining about graphical fidelity???? the whole point is that forza is continuing to tout "advanced" graphical features that sound fancy in a presentation to make the game look marginally closer to reality than the last one in some barely noticeable way, while refusing to fix or change things that people have complained about for several games in a row. they could give the wing 10 trillion polygons and 40000k textures and the most advanced lighting system known to man and it would still look worse than if they just brought back the old forza wing model from forza 4.

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M - qualifying in multiplayer. - Penalties for corner cutting and ramming. - Driver and safety ratings. - Tyre strategies, proper fuel consumption, and useful pitstops. - Actually good AI that doesn't have to cheat and can supposedly keep up with esports players. - Better AI should make the PI system more accurate as it's based on simulated AI lap times. - Challenge the grid, so you don't have to ram your way through a field of cars and can closely race with the front pack. - I personally like the upgrade system but it's controversial so we won't take that as an objective positive. - The layout of the career mode looks great and it seems to be how live service content will be added (without horizon Playlist style fomo). - There are no wheelspins to shatter progression. - Proper spec series racing in multiplayer. - The physics, while marketed poorly are a genuine improvement and should solve past problems like RNG kerbs. - Tracks are much more detailed, not only visually but physically too with higher poly collisions. - realtime lighting looks worse but has great gameplay improvements by finally allowing full time of day, not to mention improved dynamic weather. - rubbering in is also a thing which is great. - power shifting is gone. - wheels now turn at a higher angle. - many assists are now fixed as to not be a major detriment to lap times. Need I go on?

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M you asked for gameplay improvements. I gave them to you. There's a lot more there than any other forza game has added As for how I know things are fixed? Because that's what we've been shown and told outright. If you're skeptical that's fine but there's no evidence to the contrary until we get hands on so it's all we have to go off. As for the tracks... I could go into realtime global illumination, pbr materials, all that jazz, and explain why you might not like the look of them, but the short story is that the actual geometric quality is a lot better and kerbs have been confirmed to have 3d collisions rather than the old random noise applied to the suspension as you go over them.

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M you didn't ask for gameplay improvements? Read your first comment again.

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M you can't criticise a game for not having something that's been promised, just because it's not out yet. Unless there's evidence to the contrary, the only options are to assume what's been stated is true, or avoid conversations about unreleased products entirely.

@@existentialselkath1264 They should have put out a beta, like the crew and mk did.

Worst excuse I've read, new games can still have way better car models with some cars that are so much older than 25 years... Gran Turismo 7 and The Crew, even Need for Speed are doing it.

Pretty hard to find them if don't bother looking but that is not the reason they aren't doing it.

Get 1 month of gamepass

​@@Veketi_no

@@falcongamer58 skill issue then

@@Veketi_ he wants to try the game out, not pay

​@@falcongamer58if you don't already have gamepass anyway, what are you even doing

Doubt he also like other racing games