This topic is really due for an update.

I got an OSSC last month, revision 1.6. Honestly, it's been upgraded so much since this video was made, I see no reason to ever need upgrading to a Framemeister.

The production quality of these videos would make the framemeister jealous!

This is the perfect video that I was looking for upscaling and capturing retro game footage. I can't imagine how much time and effort was put into making it but it was worth watching. Thank you.

This desperately needs an update, 3 years is a long time, the OSSC for example has come a long way. And the SNES with the dejitter mod is amazing.

In all seriousness, have you guys ever considered developing a system that would fit all retro gamer requirements and run it as a Kickstarter? If you can make something comparible to the framemeister at half the cost, you'd succeed easily!

Btw guys, just realised you never mentioned OSSC is fully compatible with Sonic 2 on the Megadrive, while Framemeister just gives a blank screen in 2 player mode :)

Man, I searched for scalers for years and didn't know about the OSSC. Kudos for you, guys!

i get chills when i hear the intro music. your videos a true video gaming bliss.

I just discovered this great channel - I've been binge watching and learning a lot! For retro gaming, I run s-video into a 20" CRT, with good results...but I'm getting the itch to dive into RGB.

THANK YOU! You guys have taken a mildly complicated subject and broken it down to provide solutions for all gamers.

Most helpful and well produced program about retrogames and tv setups ive ever seen. Thank you very much and greetings from Brazil.

0:00=Intro. 0:29=Opening. 0:45=HDTV built in video scalars. 2:38=External video processors info. |3:38=The 4 main features of video scalars. ||3:51=“A good video processor needs a good video signal!” ||4:26=“CRT-like reflexes?” ||4:47=“A true upgrade?” ||5:04=“A little something extra?” |5:18=brief Framemeister advantages/disadvantages. 6:13=Framemeister alternatives: 6:26=Generic SCART to HDMI upscaler. |10:33=Composite/S-video to SCART adapter. 11:45=HD Retrovision’s component cables. 12:13=All purpose RGB to component transcoders. 12:25=European TV considerations. 12:40=GBS-8200. |14:34=Sync Strike. |15:41=“mini-SLG” Scanline Generator. |17:02=“SLG-in-a-box” 17:27=DVD recorders. 18:22=Open Source Scan Converter (OSSC). |28:20=DVDOs. 33:19=Outro. 34:06=Ending. Framemeister: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/apmUrdV0psy5Y3U.html RetroTINK-2X: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o8qFn8Z6t5fdmGg.html You’re welcome.

Wow, the level of research and capture work you guys do is impressive. Thanks for bringing us all this good information! Looks like the Framemeister is still on my Christmas list though...

Man these videos are A-MAZING. So well edited and informative, I applaud you guys!

Great video guys, can tell a lot of work went into this one.

Man, I remember when I first hooked up my Mum’s old SNES onto my brothers LG LCD, through RF. I thought it looked *BAD* and knew that it was because RF was shit, but my dad refused to believe that there were better alternatives like an idiot and I still think he’s dubious about my RGB cables now. I wanted to find a better way, and luckily I found you guys! Thanks!

I hope you guys get a chance to check out the latest firmware update for the OSSC. There's a new option for having simultaneous vertical and horizontal scanlines with custom intensity for each row and column of the output. So not only can you put the light in the true MIDDLE of a scanline instead of on the top or bottom, you can combine that with the vertical to make an effect that seriously resembles vertical phosphor lines. I'd love to see a video that shows off some of the improvements to the OSSC over the last few years, especially from a scanlines perspective.

Great episode guys! Now I'm interested in the OSSC combo setup. Thanks for all the info.

I've learned so much from your series. Thank you guys so much for putting these videos together. It makes it easier for us newbies to figure out the best setup for our TVs. Thanks again!

Amazing job as always!

I love this channel.

Thanks for taking the time to make this!

Awesome work guys, this was a joy to watch and I'll be rewatching many times on the future. Thanks MLiG!

I bet this video will be the reference for a long while for people having to plug a retro console on their tv's.

It'd be awesome if they would also do different videos for the the different types of converters. In other words, have one video that focuses exclusively on YPbPr Component to HDMI converters and have another video that focuses only RGB Scart converters, and then others for S-Video, VGA and ect. And it'd also be awesome if they would do a video on how a person can figure out what the best HDTV is for their specific retro gaming needs (rather than asking them to try and figure out what the overall best one in the world is because that'd be impossible).

Worth the wait. Some notes: -Ya, sound effects! -Loved the bonus tip graphic+music combination! -Loved the drop shadow (on tryce) on tryces green screen footage -Loved the Karnov cameo! Thanks for the all the visual aids as to how these things actually look in motion. It was great.

Yes! I've been waiting for this made my Saturday morning Thank you!

Yea I am just going to stick with my PVM 20L5 and be glad I got a framemeister for recording. You guys ever going to cover how to maintain and fix PVMs in the future?

I am still going to buy a Framemeister. It has no compatibility issues, allows you to tweak some picture settings, it's still fast enough and just looks better in my eyes. I am willing to spend double the price but have not as many issues. Especially with capture cards no matter what if 720p or 1080p.

crazy to look back on this now and see how far we have come in such a short amount of time

You guys are so awesome and go in so much depth and detail on getting these retro consoles to work great on HDTVs. I currently own at least 12 consoles all hooked up to a regular 36" CRT television I got from goodwill ready to go. Looks just as I remembered and love,however, I choose to retro game on my HDTVs using retroarch on my pc. Just for the CRT filters alone. The scanline filters in retroarch use shaders and take into account things like TV halation and color bleed and I forget sometimes I'm playing on an HDTV. The image is perfect too without having so many cords everywhere. This is side by side with my old CRT playing an original NES and my gaming laptop playing the same game on retroarch(using shader CRT-Easymode-halation). The framemeister can't really touch what a CRT Shader in retroarch can do on the same HDTV. Combine retroarch with a frontend like launchbox...and...well..it's not really fair in terms of image quality. Still, I know and understand why people go the different route. I know eventually my CRT will die and the only option I will have to play the original consoles will have to be with an HDTV scaler. I may also choose to have those 240p consoles on shelves for display and use retroarch. Those shaders man...they look authentic. Black scanlines alone are not enough for me. It's not an accurate CRT look and dims the image. All of us are hanging on for dear life to our beloved old console hardware, which will one day die. Even the chips on our original carts will also degrade and the information will be corrupted. Emulation is our future whether we want it or not. Hopefully we have at least another couple decades before this becomes a real issue. Emulation is viewed as icky to the purists in the retro community, but we will have all to suck it up one day in the future. Retrogaming right now is in a weird place for me personally. I find myself enjoying games more on emulators now than the actual hardware I spent a lot of time and money collecting and getting working right. That setup now is more like a display piece I look at that makes me smile than something I actually turn on and sit in front of. I look forward to having kids and seeing if they play these games on that original hardware with that setup.

Ah! Thats one of my favorite songs from Klonoa 2 Soundtrack at "10:59"

Seriously considering a framemeister. Currently have og consoles hooked up to a crt and just use a retron on my hdtv. I know it's not people favourite console, but I'm happy with it. The video quality of the thing is pretty damn good :)

Looking back at this video makes me very happy where we are now with the Retrotink 5X.

Thanks to you guys, i'm currently enjoying my ossc with my sega genesis. Thanks guys!

been a good 3 years since this, think we need a RGB 105.1 lol

I'm using one of those SCART to HDMI things from Amazon, and for the amount I play my SNES. Its good enough for me.

Such a fantastic episode...I may never become "internet famous", but maybe my equipment will...LOL. Thank you again for all your hard work.

This video deserves a mil watches but there just isn't enough people interested. I am and I really appreciate this!

I have two of those generic SCART scalers. I use one for my SNES and one for my Sega Mega Drive. I recently plugged my PC Engine Duo into it via a composite to SCART adapter and was impressed with the picture quality. The colours were much more vibrant than when plugged into my DVD recorder. But when I plugged my N64 into via S-video, the picture was in black and white. I'm a PAL user. Does it only accept S-video from an NTSC source or are there varients of the generic scaler that handle S-video?

WTF I just typed in google "Framemeister Alternatives" and I got a notification of this video....

I feel like I should be paying for this videos, they are just so well done.

Another brilliant episode, you guys are amazing! time to slide oner to Patreon and drop a roll of quarters 😊

Got a Framemeister on the way for my Sega Saturn! Tired of the terrible image quality on my flatscreen.

Anniversary update for OSSC?

Oh man, a LOT of things has changed since this video came out…that’s insane and awesome

Great episode guys - very informative and professionally presented, thanks for Your work and keep it up!

The best way to do it is to get a PVM. Really wish I had one.

240p x9 = 2160p... 4K? :O

I went back and forth on buying a XRGB 3 Framemeister for a couple years. Finally, I realized that with how long I had been pussyfooting around, I could have bought the unit twenty times over and just been done with it. I finally picked one up last month and by God, I couldn't be happier. It was well worth the money to just buy it and be done with it. I never dreamed my old games could look this good and they really do. No regrets here!

Really good video! I have the generic scart to HDMI scaler for my retro streams and also the arcade forge scaler for use with my VGA screen with my Saturn tate games. It all depends how far you want to go with your setup and how much room you have to play. If you are lucky to have a dedicated room/space then a CRT/PVM/BVM is my personal recommendation. Great stuff guys! Very interesting to watch

I either emulate or do composite through my Commodore 1084 monitor. Much easier. Ymmv.

Framemeister can't be beat it seems. I would definitely say just save up for a framemeister, it'll be worth it in the long run. EDIT Nov. 3, 2018: The OSSC has since become the best in my opinion. Just got one and the 5x mode for 240p is just beautiful. Amazing stuff.

Great video guys! I started with a generic scart box but upgraded to the mini after getting more familiar with RGB. Now the old converter is used as a practice board for soldering Lol.

Great video and great information! I've been drooling over a Framemeister for quite some time but haven't been able to pull the trigger. It's exciting to see that a cheaper open source alternative is here and to see how it evolves. Definitely going to have to look in to it. ;)

FIRST!! I've been waiting for this episode :D

I must be the only one in the retro gaming world who doesn't like scan line effects...

Nice work guys :) We're still working on the SNES issue and I've got some new OSSC features to discuss on the live stream.

Wow...a lot of content for a 100 series :P Keep up the good work!

35 minutes to say "Stick with the XRGB-Mini for now" :p

You should consider a gaming monitor rather than a tv, those have lower input lag around 2-4 milliseconds, and proces the image much better( meaning without the things you usually turn off on a tv)

Props for using the Grandia II soundtrack (a game of which I plan do upscale with my Dreamcast)

I think I'm sold on the OSSC. I would primarily use it for my Neo Geo AES and Turbo Duo. I already have the Retron 5 for the 16-bit consoles. Awesome in depth video guys!

Framemeister's now cost $700 now that they are discontinued

How long till a company makes CRTs for the retro game market? My guess is when decent CRTs become rare.

my god that intro alone was orgasmic! so well done!

Oh god, I have been waiting for this episode for months

Last time I was early Harambe was alive

I just watched a 36 minute video to find out that all alternatives are shit and that the true alternative is practically the same price as the thing I was trying to alternate from

A fantastic review as always. I have a slg in a box and apart from some snow in the image it has been a great workhorse. Yes a cheaper option,but I can't fault it for day to day play. I just couldn't justify the frameisters price for my setup. I did also start with the scart to hdmi scaler that Cory mentioned which is a great starting point in rgb to modern display.

"Do not think it's Framemeister or nothing" is what I tell people, this video has the right message so consider yourself +1 subscriber. Be sure to look out for old video scalers on a budget, you can make framemeister-forgetting great deals at a tenth of its price, someone put a great one in the wrong auction category and made me a happy camper a year ago.

6:45 Would you believe it!? Bob from RetroRGB BLOCKED me from his KZfaq channel for reporting better mileage with that generic upscaler than he got! He was claiming that he was getting 7+ frames of lag and even vertical flickering during screen scrolling. I went into the comments stating that I was able to get 0.7 to 1.5 frames of lag using the 240p Test Suite and never had the issue with vertical flicker. I even posted a link to this video concerning Corey's lag. Hell, I even AGREED with him that the scaler was a good solution for games that switch between 240p and 480i. And what's Bob do? He casts aspersions on my video expertise, accuses me of "trolling" and spreading "disinformation", and blocks me! What a self-righteous prick. Using his logic, Corey and Try would be blocked if they posted what they said about this scaler in the comments of his video.

Holy fuck I need to stop watching these videos, you're going to make me go back to broke

Ive officially gone back to advanced video enginerring from college. Good videos guys. Keeping my brain cells sparking. Ever need a mainstream media contact message me

Another fantastic video. Thanks guys!

I suddenly feel very grateful that we were too cheap to upgrade to a full HDTV all these years... my old Plasma from 2006 handles 480p over component video almost perfectly, and it even has D-Sub input. I still have a CRT in the bedroom for my SNES and my VCR. Having to deal with equipment that won't take anything but HDMI sounds like a nightmare, because HDMI inputs pretty much never let you bypass the display's internal scaling. Nearly everything I own is component or composite, and the new TVs would make it look horrible.

And framemeister causes lag you should probably mention that

You guys are the best at what you do.

It's crazy to think how much the scene has changed since this video was released. Even when just talking about the OSSC.

amazing mount of work has gone into this video

I bought an OSSC 1.6 the other day cuz of this channel , let alone this video. I bought a ypbpr to hdmi out scaler box online and it struggled to hold a signal on my television. Looked into it but, a for sure shot to hve a great image for a ybpbr console such as the Sega Saturn in my instance , go out for a reasonable cost investment into a OSSC . Straightened out my whole issue with the Saturn to my game tv, and every tv IV tested with it since. Now ima try scart cables and see the differences between that and component

This introductory song is soo epic

always a good show guys thanks!

I know a lot of people don't have room to get a nice CRT in their gaming space but I think this just goes to show how much easier it is to do just that. While they may be heavy and take up space, it's a much cheaper, less confusing, less involved, and often times better looking solution.

Great video, and very informative! I don't have as much need for a product like this ATM because I have an older Sony WEGA rear-projection LCD, and it does 240p and 480i reasonably well already, though not without a bit of occasional color weirdness. Still, when I'm ready to upgrade to a larger TV, or this thing finally kicks the bucket, this kind of info will be indispensable. I appreciate the depth you went into! I'm thinking about maybe the OSSC to get a better picture from stuff like my JVC X'Eye, or a PC Engine, or maybe even my Game Cube. You've just earned a subscriber & Twitter follower!

Two and a half years on, it's super cool to watch the section on the OSSC and then realize how far both the hardware and the firmware have come. This is a great historical reference, even if the data is kind of not current. Would be cool if you could cover everything in the OSSC now that so much of the caveats have been either addressed or worked around, like 1080p output with like 4x and 5x, the weird SNES sync issues, and so on.

love the channel, you guys got a new fan :D I eat info like this up

Another great video! I have two DVDO Edge scalers myself. Love those things. I originally bought one to correct the PSP picture when outputting via component, to be able to capture at 240p _at all,_ and to capture pre-HD systems in 720p60. It's how I connect my Dreamcast via VGA and RGB SCART and the Edge does a good job zooming and stretching out the overscan. I also enjoy the DVDO Edge's input switching capabilities, but I had to turn auto-switching off because bad things can happen when playing games that switch resolutions. I'll admit I still wanted a Framemeister to get the _real_ best best, but now with the OSSC it looks like I'll be sitting pretty; I'll basically be getting the picture quality and zooming options of the Framemeister with less lag!

This is a great video guide for the options currently available and this covers in detail a lot of the problems you can face using these devices. Worth noting there are three major TV standards of PAL, NTSC & SECAM (France standard). That said you do slightly gloss over the issues with the framemeister. Poor handling of 480p means its not the best scaler for the Dreamcast, PlayStation 2, Gamecube, Wii or Original Xbox and for the cost you expect it to be able to handle those consoles to the highest ability as all support 480p and 720p for some games in the Xbox's case. Another point that should have been explained is that not all games work with all scalers even some titles refuses to work with any scaler at all. This can be an issue for some PAL developed games which were designed to use set resolutions in 576i. A case and point of this is Snake Rattle 'n Roll on the Mega Drive, which when run at 50hz refused point blank to work with almost any LCD TV or capture device we tried, in fact it only appeared to work on a PAL CRT or devices that could rescale PAL sources. Users should keep this in mind with any scaler, as some games just point blank will not work. PAL users should also check that any scaler they purchase supports 50hz if they plan on using PAL consoles with it, we used a mix of both NTSC and PAL consoles for our videos. While it won't be an issue for folks in the USA, some PAL games will not run at 60hz, so you will need a 50hz scaler to capture and play some games. Example of some of the issues of 50hz/60hz can be seen in our Mega Drive: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nK-ebNygvLKzj4k.html and Sega Saturn videos: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e7N6qdpe3524m6s.html While you have included it in other videos a quick mention of the PlayStation 3 backwards PS1 disc support and the Wii U, Wii disc support is worth a mention as they allow older games to be played on HDMI. We've also tired a mix of scalers to see their results, the generic scaler is great as a cheap way to capture RGB as most capture devices even in Europe don't direct support RGB Scart so require some form of converter. As you say the picture's not great but it does the job, it does allow for HDMI scaling as we used it to scale a 720p PlayStation 3 game up to 1080p such as with this Destiny video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nrqSm8aFutW6pI0.html Far better for taking screenshots as when paused the sharp edges of the image return, it also supports Secam. From our own experience S-Video to Scart converters are best avoid as they normally don't correctly convert the signal over to composite. Using them in the past on CRT's and LCDs normally see the picture converted to black and white and you would likely get the same rainbow effect on the PS2 even if you just directly plugged it into a scart port on any LCD TV. While the Framemeister and DVDO look to be far better scalers for the PSP, we did try the LKV8000 it's better than doing a straight, upscaler but there is a fair about of blur and it doesn't correct scale smaller elements such as text: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eb52ocd3lbablqs.html We've tried a couple of VGA scalers with the Dreamcast neither of them that expensive the first one we used for our earlier videos included some artefacts and noise in the background of the picture: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f6uijdSImZyRp4E.html but the second one give a perfect picture with also no errors and removed the issues seen in the previous one and we've used it for all our later Dreamcast videos: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNSVZb2cmsuzln0.html On the OSSC it was mentioned on a few sites including one of the sites you linked in the video that line tripling doesn't work on PAL. Quoting them directly “PAL 50Hz signals are accepted. For 288p and 576i signals you get a 576p50 output. Line tripling isn't available for PAL sources.” retrogaming.hazard-city.de/ossc.html Again good video, right now it's fair to say there isn't an all in one perfect scaler at this point while the framemeister is very good. It's still not perfect and there is still room for a better retro console HD upscaler on the market.

I love this channel, needs more subscribers now

I don't have consoles, nor crts. But i find these videos super informative.

Great video, excellent work!

The best gaming channel on KZfaq ❤

So much info and completely lost but thanks for such detailed research. 😉

insane research! Thanks!

Great video and these are some great options. Don't have any but I chose retro tink 2x over ossc.

Thank you for the informative video.

Great video, useful as always and the production value never ceased to amaze. As much as I root for the relatively low cost open source projects (especially when compared to the cold Micomsoft), seeing this, I think the XRGB Mini is still the way to go. The OSSC's method of going off-spec doesn't put me at ease and will probably bother people who have "Tweaking OCD" (I'm looking at you Bob). Overall, I think stability and compatibility is more important than speed, customization and even quality. Also, I 100% agree that the cheap 30$ scaler is not as bad as some say and is way better than going composite. Resolution switching on the fly is still a bummer though.

excelent video! thx for the work!