Scaling Retro Video: Everything you need to know - Framemeister vs OSSC vs Retrotink2x

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If you've picked up a retro console like the PS1 or Sega Saturn lately, you've probably wondered how you can make these old games look as good as you remembered them. Well, I aim to help you do just that. In this video we will cover every single thing you will need to know to get that 240p picture scaled up to HD the right way. We'll cover retro video resolutions, connector types and the products that not only get your games looking their best, but the ones that fit your set up. We'll also compare the big boys in the line double / scaling market, the XRGB mini, or #Framemeister, the open source scan converter, or #OSSC and the new kid on the block, the Retrotink2x pro. Hopefully, this video will give you everything you'll need to put the super back in your super nintendo...............I regret writing that......
Intro - 00:00
Connection types - 02:55
Resolutions - 05:53
Scalers or line multipliers? - 08:54
Framemeister - 11:39
OSSC - 15:23
Retrotink 2x - 20:00
breakdown 25:00
Downsides to scaling video 26:44

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@EposVox 4 жыл бұрын

BTW! Add "00:00 Intro" to the start of your timecode list and you get chapter markers in the player :)

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Is that what I've been doing wrong this whole time??! HA! I'm an idiot!

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

It worked! You're a life saver!

@EposVox 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews Heck yeah. Keep up the good videos :)

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

@megamancards 4 жыл бұрын

For Framemeister (if you choose that) - you can just get the FirebrandX profile files, load those on a micro sd card, pop that in the back of the FM and load it with the remote when you change consoles. There's no need to worry about settings because that guy is a perfectionist and has done all the work for you. Also, you're going to want to update the FM's firmware as soon as you get one.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

This is definitely true. You may need to do some further tweaking with stuff like gama and maybe sharpness for snes over scart, but it is much easier that way.

@grawman67 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, this is EXACTLY what I needed to see. I was eyeing these three recently and seriously doing research and then this popped up. You've really done the best video I've seen on these devices for beginners. Awesome job, man!

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! That's exactly what I wanted for this video. I had to get all of my info from several often hard to find resources, so I'm stoked I gave some of you a single place where you could get it all.

@grawman67 3 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews You did an awesome job, man! I feel way more informed now. Your channel somehow continues to get better and better. Keep up the great work!

@HybridAngelZero 4 жыл бұрын

"There may be more qualified people out there..." Perhaps, but their videos likely don't have Breath of Fire III music, a cameo from Grandia's Justin or Onimusha and Samurai Legend Musashi footage, making this video objectively superior. Seriously though, this is REALLY helpful, I've been considering upscaling for a while

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to help out a bit!

@Cain532. 3 жыл бұрын

this has been such an amazing video with the amount of detail that you went into with every aspect of everything that you've gone over is incredible to say the least how you haven't reached a million subs by now is beyond me keep up the amazing work thank you very much for all the information you brought forward

@Rockaxldude 2 жыл бұрын

This video definitely filled that little niche I was looking for. Thank YOU for showing proper captures.

@GameplayandTalk 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent work here, man. Great to see someone talk realistically about the Framemeister's input lag. While I have an OSSC, the hardware compatibility issue keeps me using the Framemeister as my primary work horse. Its input lag has never bothered me, and I play a ton of timing-sensitive shoot 'em ups without issue. If you're speed running then that's one thing, but for everyone else, it's fine.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Yes!!! Glad to get a little confirmation that it's not just me. I'd love to believe I'm just so talented that not even lag can effect me, but I think we both know that's not the case. HA!

@ScOULaris 3 жыл бұрын

This is absolutely one of the best KZfaq videos on this topic that I've come across, and I've seen a TON. Well done.

@joeypeawood4656 3 жыл бұрын

This was EXACTLY the kind of video I was looking for. I love the look of your videos and was like “I wonder what his setup is” and sure enough you’re the guy I find breaking down the upscalers and generally just informing me of an area that I know literally nothing about. My PS1 videos are passable but my PS2 recordings look like ass with all the diagonal lines and noise so this was a big help moving forward. Thanks man.

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yes! Very glad to hear this was a help for you. I knew it wouldn't be a very popular video for the channel, but this is all the info I wish I would have know before getting into this stuff. I figured I should at least put it all in one single place. I'm hoping to do another one featuring the new Tink 5x!

@12ealDealOfficial 4 жыл бұрын

Buddy you almost got buried in my sub feed. Glad I saw the thumbnail. Learning about HD upscaling while I'm on my lunch break today is a breath of fresh air.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! Learning about upscaling video, on the company dime? It's a win/win.

@cheapergamer 4 жыл бұрын

My OSSC arrived yesterday and now I'm officially a better person. Thanks for the informative video :)

@DylanYouSonOfABidgeNelson 4 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking about how I needed more Jared in my life.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Everyone needs their bi-weekly dose.

@Sebastian_Athea 4 жыл бұрын

@General Jiggler More "pro" Jared?/s LOL

@johnr4836 3 жыл бұрын

have you run him thru a frame meister

@chadwolf3840 3 жыл бұрын

such a great video! i'm a big fan of my life in gaming, but this breakdown was so much clearer.

@NightimeDemon Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video. Things may have changed a little bit since this first came out with the options available, but this video of yours is still a great starting point for understanding the basics of what these devices do.

@christianprincedebates6740 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, your video had me at the background music. All great choices 👍

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!

@juancarlosaponte6897 3 жыл бұрын

After watching like a hundred videos on this topic I finally found one that clearly explains everything . I just ordered a Retrotink on Ebay 😛 Great job for real 😛

@Lunabry 4 жыл бұрын

I love this!! You and My Life in Gaming are lifesavers 😊

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

I had my framemeister for years, and had no idea how to really use it, until MLIG came around. They really changed everything for a lot of people. There are a lot of youtubers just making entertaining content (myself included) but the work MLIG is doing, is important.

@DacioNerdTV 3 жыл бұрын

Dude your video is too professional, has amazing games shown for presentation and the background music is godly. Why the fuck is this underrated, deserves 100,000 plus views dude, I can't tell you how many times I've re-watched this video. Keep up the good work man and I hope your channel grows as well ;)

@jasonalec6573 4 жыл бұрын

Love my Retrotink 2X. Had the Framemeister but the resolution switch delay was nuts. The Retrotink on my TCL TV is about instant. Got the Pro recently.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

I didn't expect to like the pro as much as I do. It really does look great. The jump from 1080p, to 480p, is not as drastic as I thought it would be.

@mbzl3934 4 жыл бұрын

True story: the OSSC's bob de-interlacing almost borked my monitor when I first tried with a PS2. It left a whole load of pixels stuck on green from a hud in Castlevania: Curse of Darkness. Took about 12 hours of pixel conditioning to get them unstuck.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Wow! That's insane. Do you have an OLED by chance? I've heard they can have issues with image retention. My plasma has a similar issue.

@mbzl3934 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews Nope, it was an older Dell U2311H - pretty standard IPS panel with a CFL backlight. I've not used the OSSC for any 480i content since then, in fear of permanent damage to any of my displays. I leave that task to the Framemeister and deal with the shortcomings that come with it (mainly the color noise and, to a lesser extent, the additional input lag).

@voltz15 3 жыл бұрын

@@mbzl3934 shmups and videogameperfection have both written columns on fast pixel reproduction via this method and bob interlace isn't exactly safe on some panel types if you have a lot of static images. If your display is compatible, either passthru or 3x mode is suggested.

@brunosa200 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing work Jared, thank you SO much!!!

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

It's my pleasure!

@SadeyJade70 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for an amazing & enlightening review! 😍 You’ve got yourself a new subscriber. 😊

@MegamanNova 3 жыл бұрын

I normally watch at 1.5x or 2x to save up time and get to watch more videos. But when 15:28 background came on, I am sure I am hearing my childhood. Quite unsure, I let it play while filtering out your voice (I'm sorry). Then it hit me! Brave Fencer 'effin Musashi. Man! Instant subscribe!

@marcusbolt1989 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. I been rebuilding my PS2 collection and looking at getting better picture on my TCL TV. The RetroTink looks to be the best option for me. Thanks for the info. Gladly subscribed and look forward to your other videos.

@Caspicum 4 жыл бұрын

Damn bro I've been sitting on an OSSC purchase for a few months now. I think your Breath of Fire 3 music and Ogre Battle footage might've sold me.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Ahhh, the most convincing arguments in my arsenal. Never fails

@jamesmcdonough4901 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the help man. I really appreciate this video.

@seraph4581 3 жыл бұрын

Really big fan of the Retrotink... It does its job wonderfully, it's affordable, and it'll output a clean 480p60 that all TVs will love to take in. Looks damn near perfect on my QLED TV. Wanted an OSSC at first but was afraid it wouldn't work with my TV at all or that SNES/NES signals would judder like hell.

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the ossc is still such a big toss up as far as compatibility is concerned. I can only get mine working on my pc's monitors.

@seamless8505 4 жыл бұрын

That was a great video man. It's always nice to see these old classics well captured and well presented. Also, you need to do a review of Breath of Fire IV, and maybe also the PS2 Castlevania titles. It seems that no one is talking about these games for some reason.

@ChrisEvans66 4 жыл бұрын

Great video man. I have the OSSC and the Framemeister. After testing them on all my consoles I hooked everything up through the Framemeister. Puts out great video for all my retro consoles on my channel. I love it. And the lag is not noticeable at all

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! It's awesome seeing so many people agree about the lag.

@ChrisEvans66 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews I never understood the complaining either dude. Although I constantly see people saying the OSSC has no lag. On my consoles it still had the same lag as my HDTV. But with the framemiester I didnt feel any lag whatsoever

@SheeshFr 2 жыл бұрын

Dude your vids have been great! Subbed to the channel on the first Stalker review, making sure I watch everything of yours that pops up since because you make really detailed stuff! Probs gonna resort to a cheap av to hdmi BUT one day.... your advice in this video will be acted on!

@AvalancheReviews 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah man! Nowadays, you do have to spend a pretty penny to get top shelf quality out of your consoles, but when you’re able to afford a high quality scaler, you wont be able to go back. Here’s hoping that day comes soon for ya!!!

@TheOnlyLunaKage 3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I was LITERALLY going to comment on one of your videos asking about what you think about the retrotink, since I know how obsessed you are about that kind of thing, and I was thinking of getting one. Then I find out you made this video.

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

I got so many questions on this stuff. I figured there were quite a few people out there like you, who needed some info. Hopefully this vid answered your questions.

@realph44 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks so much for this.

@pizza70123 Жыл бұрын

This is the best video I've seen to untangle the mess that all of this is to us who just want to play and don't really know much about the technicalities.

@TobyRieper48 4 жыл бұрын

I just sold my OSSC and just got another CRT. Native lightgun support.. beautiful RGB, real scan lines and that lovely warm flicker. Also no lag and seamless transition from 240p to 480. The amount of money I've spent on this upscaling hobby I could have just bought a beautiful PVM and have done with it . I love your videos tho dude. Keep em coming

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

I want a pvm so damn badddd! I definitely have an eye for both the upscaled stuff, and the untouched signal on a crt. Content creation makes sure I'll never ditch my scalers though. Gotta get the best looking capture I can.

@TobyRieper48 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews Upscalers are great for streaming and content. I sure hope the OSSC pro has seamless resolution transitions. That was my main gripe with it even though it's a fantastic product :)

@OfficialBioDevil 4 жыл бұрын

Would you do an update video on this subject when the OSSC Pro is available for purchase/you getting your hands on one?

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Bet your ass I will!

@OfficialBioDevil 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews I look forward to it!

@Kezzic 3 жыл бұрын

This video didn’t just fill some niche. It informed my purchase, thank you.

@SweDownhill 8 ай бұрын

Great video! For the OSSC, you can now extend compatibility by connecting a "Koryuu"-transcoder inbetween the OSSC and the console of choice.. The Koryuu-transcoder have both composite (yellow) and S-Video inputs. By doing so you'll be able to play NES etc. 👍 A component cable is used between the Koryuu and the OSSC by the way.

@DaveGaming 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers man! Short question: You mentioned at 12:00 that an adapter is needed to connect component to the Framemeister. Can you tell me which specific adapter is needed? A 5 to 1 adapter? Thank you for the review!

@jgamer9307 4 жыл бұрын

Great video man. I'm definitely getting a Retrotink 2x pro when I get the money.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

You're gonna love it!

@nima1655 3 жыл бұрын

thx man. exactly what i was looking for

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to help!!

@luckmarbella 3 жыл бұрын

wow what a job!!! grat video

@TomasCyr 4 жыл бұрын

New intro, nice!

@oleschoolgamers 3 жыл бұрын

Nice comparison bud, well done! I went with the OSSC for some consoles and also use the Rtink2x Pro and Mclassic with others. Both work great! Side question, what is your audio setup, your mic input is so clear!

@E_Sunbro 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome info. Just starting to get back into retro gaming. Wound up getting a decent flat screen CRT from my boss, and running a PS2 via component on it looks remarkable. I did get bit by my lack of research and bought a NIB GameCube that doesn't have the digital output for component, but your illustration for S-Video vs Component/Composite makes me feel a bit better. As an aside, I never thought I'd play any game from the PS1 again in my lifetime due to the wonky controls most games have. Your Silent Hill Retrospective changed that, and I've been enjoying Silent Hill 1 in all of its dithered glory, and I've been loving every minute of it. Already have Silent Hill 2 and 3 in hand for when I finish it!

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

That's the best new I heard all day!!! Getting people into old ps1 games is literally my job! Very happy to hear that. Also, svideo is a great looking picture most of the time, but it looks amazing on a crt. On that kind of a tv, the difference between comp and svideo won't be so obvious that you'll notice without really looking for it.

@E_Sunbro 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews This makes me happy. Trying to get a DOL-001 GameCube and the insanely hard to find and overpriced component cables has not been fun. I'm gonna keep trying, but for now I'll be happy. P.S.- Tank controls FTW!

@alexandercorpuz917 2 жыл бұрын

Hey! This was an awesome video! Couldn't help to notice that you have a lot of gems being used as examples for games. Could you possibly post a list of the games you showed with time stamps? That would be awesome!

@epicstacker413 3 жыл бұрын

I love s-video! I use it with my retrotink2x pro for speedrunning super mario world and it all gets captured through an elgato hd60s, and the quality looks fantastic!

@ShamanNoodles 3 жыл бұрын

S-video is the most underrated AV standard, hands down! I have a 1chip SNES console and it's super sharp and colorful on my s-video capable monitor

@CowSoap7 3 жыл бұрын

PSA: Retrotink came out with a new model called the 2X-Multiformat that passes through 480p content without the line doubling. It still line doubles 240p/288p/480i/576i. So if you like the sixth generation consoles too and want easy plug and play with zero lag, get the 2X-Multiformat

@ehsanghazavi470 2 жыл бұрын

Sadly its been discontinued now. Is the 2x pro just as good for ps2?

@CastleManiaGames 4 жыл бұрын

love the FF style text boxes!

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I kind of thought they were a stroke of genius myself. HA!

@SuperDerek 4 жыл бұрын

Dude, you also like the look of dithering? Finally someone else! I've felt like I've been on crazy pills for a while now. Phew!

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Oh hell yeah!!! Great (and attractive) minds definitely think alike! I don't know, I think it was the fact that I could see dithering in the pictures they would take for gaming magazines back in the 90's. Now when I see it, it feels like I'm actually seeing what I was supposed to this whole time.

@voltz15 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews Proper dithering is all about the shadow transparencies and blended colors. I've been arguing this withinn the retro community for a decade and it seems everyone is hellbent on getting their pixels as sharp as possible without exceptions.

@VintageDefectors69 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews I enjoy it some times and not other times. Even in the same game I'll just think it looks great or strange in different areas.

@PassoutWeezing Жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews thanks for all the great content man, I used your link and bought the hd cable for my ps2 so I can finally play silent hill 3. I know it ain’t much but I hope you get some $ from it!

@MichaelM28 Жыл бұрын

You definitely are on crazy pills, both of you.

@theblacksheep1000 4 жыл бұрын

ONE OF THE BEST KZfaqRS OUT THERE!

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Aww thanks man! You're the best

@retrozen 3 жыл бұрын

So the Avermedia Live Gamer will work with 240p games? My Elgato capture card refuses to see the signal, regardless of the line doubling I'm feeding it, with both OSSC or the RetroTink2x. I'm thinking of buying an Avermedia capture card if it means I'll be able to stream 240p consoles.

@bonnome2 3 жыл бұрын

10:20, you have to remember that a modern TV also adds a couple frames latency. Now you are playing a game with 5 frames of extra latency compared to a old CRT for what the game was actually made. Reducing that latency by 1 frame really matters in that case.

@gregoryreed8567 3 жыл бұрын

Great synopsis of the leading solutions for retro gaming on panel TVs, thanks. Can you think about developing a video about how to wire everything up when your collection includes retro consoles, modern consoles and ancient consoles (A2600, Coleco, Intelli, etc), on a 4k panel? I’m thinking a workflow video with component switching, composite switching and HDMI matrix switching that handles 4:4:4 HDR10, blah, blah? One final thought- if I have access to all three of these solutions in hand, what works best on what or does daisy-chaining resolve to result in best of all worlds? Lots to unpack but what are your thoughts?

@Riful 4 жыл бұрын

Hello, quick question regarding these devices in conjunction with a PS2 and streaming. What combination would you say is the best route to go for an upscaler and a capture card that would work with the PS2? Currently i ordered a Elgato Game Capture HD as it seems to be a tried and true method based on a number of posts/comments but I forgot to even consider that a majority if not even all of those people most likely would not be using an upscaler such as these. Thanks!

@goukigod 4 жыл бұрын

Really well put together and helpful! One question: I'm using an older Elgato HD capture card. The one which has the analogue input. It's pretty fussy and won't accept anything but 2X out of the OSSC and won't even accept a signal from a Tink2x S-video signal in some scenarios, such as from a Pal N64. Do you know of a capture card/device that works well with the OSSC above 2X line doubling?

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

I've had great luck with the elgato 4k60 pro. Not much luck with my avermedia extremecap u3, except 2x mode. As a last ditch effort, have you tried using obs instead of elgato's software? I find way more compatibility that way. Here's a super helpful thread. videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/capture-card-compatibility-report-thread/

@goukigod 4 жыл бұрын

I haven't been able to use my Elgato with OBS because I use macOS and it won't see my capture card as a source. I'll look into the 4k60, Many thanks!

@Dagoth_Ur_1 3 жыл бұрын

You've probably made an updated video, but the newer retrotink2x pro multiformat outputs 480p with the loss of smoothing

@freejrs 4 жыл бұрын

Cool intro animation!

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@jeroenputzeys769 3 жыл бұрын

Great video

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@umbrollo 3 жыл бұрын

I was looking for exactly this video, I was commenting on other videos as to how mine is so crap and others are so good. Arcade quality.My youth is in tact.

@LitchAzazel 4 жыл бұрын

Dude you showed X-Men Legends footage, best review ever.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

I've been going through an xmen legends phase lately.

@LitchAzazel 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews I play 2 on PC with skin mods so it looks like 1990s X-Men Animated series!

@BebopMansion 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, I love how much detailed you were in this video! You're amazing! The framemeister image you got on Silent Hill 3 at 14:15 is so beautiful!! You're right in saying that it is much better for interlaced content. For the OSSC, it's the psp footage that impressed me the most. I might default to OSSC in the end since it's twice cheaper and bob deinterlacing imo is good enough. Got a question. Have you tried the PS2 component cables instead of composite? I'm curious to see if they makes a big difference combined with OSCC or Framemeister.

@AvalancheReviews 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! I exclusively use ps2 component cables and the difference is very noticeable. All of the PS2 footage in the video was was captured using them. I'd say that's the only way to go if you're getting a scaler. Remember, the higher quality video you put into a scaler, the higher quality upscaled picture you'll get out of it. So whenever possible, use either RGB Scart or Component cables.

@BebopMansion 2 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews I got my OSSC (yay!) and I got another question =/ Which capture card are you using to capture OSSC footage? When using my PSP component with 2X, the resolution is 900p I think and my Elgato HD60 doesn't support it. I'm now thinking that I'll have to deal with pretty odd resolutions throughout many device and scaling settings so I wonder which capture card can get the job done.

@dcashley303 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome background music ;)

@gustavovj Жыл бұрын

Hey man, great content! Looking to connect my N64 with a Retrotink 2x pro, I ordered it with the s video cable from their website, would you suggest upgrading to the Insurrection Industries cable instead?

@KissyG 3 жыл бұрын

Omg, I can't stress enough how much I LOVE this video! Everything about people bitching about input lag to bad tutorials and boring technical ones that I can't understand what so ever. This is the perfect video thank you! I still have a few questions: So, I love playing retro games I am mainly focused on ps2. ps1, Xbox, n64, Wii and SNES. and I don't know too much of technical stuff other than knowing component is recommended and deciding which upscaler to get. I got a 2k UHD monitor and I just want my games to look good, not greatest because I am on a budget. So, would you recommend OSSC or retrotink 2x pro? The prices are both the same for because I live in Australia and USD is stupidly expensive for our contry so keep that in mind haha. Also, I just want a simple plug and play and you mentioned in the vid that there's technical stuff with the OSSC and compatibility issues and retrotink cant handle 480p which is kind of a big let down for me. So what do you think for a user like me? Thank you. p.s I dont plan on streaming these games anyway.

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

First off, THANKS! Glad to hear someone else gets annoyed with all the lag nonsense. Also, I think the retrotink2x pro would be best for you. It'll line double your n64, snes and ps1. You wont be able to run your wii/xbox through it since it can't pass 480p through, but most of the ps1 is 480i. So you'll be fine there. Plus, it is plug and play. No need to learn any settings. Just hook it up and you're good. Message me on twitter if you need any more help.

@KissyG 3 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews You are a legend man thank you so much! :D Will do man! Also, im jist mainly focused on ps2 tbh xD

@epicstacker413 3 жыл бұрын

Also, at 24:04, while it's true majority of ps2 games are 480i, gamecubes library is actually a majority of 480p games.

@Casketkrusher_ 4 жыл бұрын

I use the ossc for a while and it's the best thing to use in my opinion. Unfortunately some line modes don't work on PAL PS2 games, atleast the ones that doesn't support 60 hz modes. NTSC however works like a charm. I mainly use it for my PS2. And it's great.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a killer little device. I love mine for psp footage. I actually run some games through the ossc first, and then run that through the meister for zooming in and other picture controls.

@krookedwarden 4 жыл бұрын

This is a solid video, I hope it gets the attention it deserves. My only complaint is I am impulsive and this video has be scouring the internet for framemeister prices. Thanks for that Jared......

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

I had the same thing happen to me years ago. I'm paying it forward. HAAA!

@krookedwarden 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews it is one's duty

@TheSwartz 3 жыл бұрын

WoW, still rockin' the Panasonic Plasma??? Best space heater I ever owned... Good picture quality too.

@yournightmare9999 3 жыл бұрын

I glad that i chose framemeister to play old systems. I purchased my in March for $250

@Sebastian_Athea 4 жыл бұрын

I had Panasonic G30 plasma working just fine with ossc, the thing is; firmware panasonic TVs shipped with from 2008 to 2014 was kinda broken especially in game mode, updating it to the newest version fixed all the issues I was having, but it's really weird how tvs with exactly the same gamma error and compatibility issues out of the box where shipped for so long, and they knew about it because it was fixed within a few months after each model was released.

@Hesher 3 жыл бұрын

23:34 It's a 2021 year now and ExtremeCap U3 is now having audio issues while trying to capture the footage of any console (neither current or past gen does not work). Do you have a solution to that? I wanted to try getting audio out of my gamepad separately since U3 is capable of capturing audio throughout the component cable (then my connection would look like this: image for HDMI 1080p60fps and audio for component through gamepad plus some tweaks in ReCentral 1 of course). I know this grabber is outdated but It costed some money back in a day and It would be shame just to throw it out to a trash bin :P

@RetroIslandGaming 4 жыл бұрын

After my girlfriend tripped over my many cords strewn about the room, and consequently breaking a few things, I switched to just emulating. Looks like things have changed a bit since when that last happened. I'm hoping the future of scaling retro video continues to see improvements like the solutions you mentioned. I really miss sitting down with real hardware! Also, I'm on the fence with the dithering. I didn't care until everyone kept mentioning it. Now I can't unsee it...

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

"Gaming...............gaming never changes...." Yeah, I think the retro scaling industry has a few really great years left in it. As fo now, more people than ever are getting into it, and there are companies springing up to fill that niche. I can't wait to see how things go from here!

@angeles2425 3 жыл бұрын

XRGB minis HDMI in and 480P out + Game 1 low pass filter wins for me. But, thats just half of the setup in order to get a proper picture on LED TVs. Pair this with the mCable/mClassic and a scanline generator at the end of the chain. This is just my personal preference ofc but I think this combo looks even better than a CRT.

@alexthesteele 9 ай бұрын

It feels truly insane to watch Syphon Filter footage with Chrono Cross music over it lol

@k7gendo 4 жыл бұрын

ive sworn by the framemeister for years, but honestly tempted to get a retrotink anyway. not that i need it but i just prefer fast plug and play. if anything would be nice for wonky resolution changing ps1 picture

@jeroenputzeys769 3 жыл бұрын

There is a retroTINK with scart now. It's really good.

@Zero99iGames 4 жыл бұрын

Understandibly this video is focused on the NTSC video standard with no mention of PAL video used in Europe and Australia. The one huge advantage the Framemeister has for PAL users is that you can actually strech the image to correct PAL videos squashed pixels (or borders if you like). With the right settings my PAL SNES picture looks just like the Pixel Perfect Mode on Switch or the SNES Mini. Same for the Mega Drive where I can eliminate all the coloured borders.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

That's a great point! I actually never thought about it, but yeah the framemeister's picture controls totally makes that possible.

@sordsmen3456 3 жыл бұрын

Damn I had no idea the framemeister was being discontinued, should have grabbed one earlier.

@Haddsman 4 жыл бұрын

I'm still a tad confused. I recently got back into playing on my old PS2 and got a basic component set up running on my fllatscreen. If I wanted an upscaler would the Retrotink still be worth it? What would happen if I tried to play a game like Gran Turismo 4?

@brianboniuk1072 4 жыл бұрын

You make good points for wanting some of these things, but at the end of the day, emulation is way cheaper and better.

@TobyRieper48 4 жыл бұрын

Sure.... If you like spending ages setting up each individual game and sitting on your PC for hours 😂 Emulation can be cheaper.... Better? That's debatable. All depends what system you trying to run and the device you are running it on.

@brianboniuk1072 4 жыл бұрын

@@TobyRieper48 Look, ive played lots of playstation (1 and 2), dreamcast, gamecube and even super nintendo games on a mid tier laptop, if that doesnt speak volumes bout accessibility then I'll be damned. Besides, would u rather have a super expensive setup or a cost effective solution for the same goal?

@TobyRieper48 4 жыл бұрын

@@brianboniuk1072 look here sonny jim I like playing my games without lag and inaccuracies. Just because it's accessible does not mean it's good. You clearly haven't played the original consoles. Emulation is a great thing and accessible it's just not better than the real deal. Come back to me when you've played videogames on a real PS2 PS1 and GameCube then we can discuss. PS2s are cheap so are PS1s, GameCubes don't cost the earth either. For all the games you just get optical drive replacements. Easy

@brianboniuk1072 4 жыл бұрын

@@TobyRieper48 Lol dude I do have a ps1 and ps2 u know. If I never had a certain console that's because I didnt have money or wanted to get it in the first place. Dont tell me you're one of those that brags bout having physical hardware as the only valid argument

@TobyRieper48 4 жыл бұрын

@@brianboniuk1072 just because something's cheaper and more accessible doesn't mean it's better. How is emulation better than the real deal apart from those 2 points? With a console you plug and play. No settings no menus no bullshit. It's all about the user experience most folks can plug in a snes and have a great time with emulators they need setting up, booting into your operating system, configuring controllers etc. What would you rather have a real SNES with all the games on a flashcart and original controllers or an emulator.

@maxtwentynine5968 3 жыл бұрын

for streaming NES and MasterSystem would it make sense to get the ossc ?would it give me better quality than the retorting 2x pro ?im not playing any other consoles

@WhiteJarrah 3 жыл бұрын

9:50 - 10:28 THANK YOU!!! I've been kicked off Facebook groups; banned from KZfaq channels; and even falsely called a "Flat Earther" for reporting better mileage with scalers certain retro gamers deem "laggy". Hell, if they are concerned about a scaler giving them 5+ frames of lag, I've no idea how they get through modern games.

@soratheultima 4 жыл бұрын

I have the Framemeister and the OSSC and I do have to say that I have come to the same conclusion that you have. If you want to step up your PS2 gaming experience you should consider using an RGB Scart cable. With the OSSC you get the benefit of Sync on Green support which offers a much cleaner picture when the PS2 outputs 480P. Using Homebrew to force certain compatible games to 480p, some games look amazing with this setup. I use an Mclassic for those games that do work at 480P and it cleans up the Jaggies of those games. I have yet to test the Mclassic with the Xrgb mini Framemeister but I'll try that today at 480p.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

I actually like the aliased look of 480p upscaled. I really like seeing the edges on 3d models. It makes the picture look so damn good in my opinion.

@Lostinsilenthill 4 жыл бұрын

Oooo pretty colors.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

The prettiest!

@romerolemstra8747 4 жыл бұрын

Mike Chi also released a RetroTINK 2X with a RGB Scart input called the RetroTINK 2X Scart. Simple lol

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah he did, and his work has been high quality enough that I trust his stuff regardless or whether or not I've tested it myself.

@BySoulKillers 4 жыл бұрын

Solid fucking video, thank you.

@ShamanNoodles 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't hear you mention any lag on the OSSC, how does the lag compare vs the frame meister? Is it more or less? Thanks!

@chchris25 3 жыл бұрын

The best deinterlsaer is the DVDO, iScan.

@WhiteJarrah 3 жыл бұрын

8:11 I tend to disagree. If you're trying to primarily record interlaced video content, you don't need to go all out and spend obscene amounts of money on a Framemeister. You can get away with using cheaper consumer grade SCART or component scalers, since the interlaced output coming off the console is little different to a VCR or DVD recorder. Same deal with 480p. Again, most component scalers are built to expect such resolutions. The Framemeister and OSSC do have handling of 240p content beat though.

@unitedasiatv4203 3 жыл бұрын

Would you mind letting me know what de interlacing method was implemented on the Framemeister? Would you recommend using the Framemeister for scaling regular video shot at 480i to 1080p? I'd appreciate your response. Thank you.

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

The framemeister used motion adaptive deintertlacing, but nopwadays the Tink 5X uses that same method AND upscales to a higher resolution with less video noise. If you're looking to upscaled 480i, I'd say the RetroTink 5X is the absolute best solution. Hell, it's the best retro video product on the market in my opinion.

@DrewJarrod 2 жыл бұрын

Could you recommend the best converter/upscaler/deinterlacer to digitize great picture and sound from an old s-video VCR (home movies) to 1080p HDMI/mp4? Thanks!

@AvalancheReviews 2 жыл бұрын

I think the tink 2x is probably the most cost effective option for vcr capture. It outputs 480p which isn’t the highest resolution, but it’s very simple and plug and play. The tink 5x is the next best option and allows for up to 1440p output. I recently used my tink 5x to digitize a bunch of old home movies and it was super easy.

@Suzakuux 4 жыл бұрын

I just recently bought a RetroTink 2X Pro a few months ago and really enjoying it. I have noticed a few visual issues that seem to only appear on my TV, like occasional flickering or some kind of lines appearing like static, but they don't show up on the captured footage and the problem goes away after a few minutes.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. That makes it sound like some kind of issue with your tv taking the signal in. Well, at least the captured footage is ok. That's the important stuff.

@Suzakuux 4 жыл бұрын

@@AvalancheReviews Yeah, might be, I have a Samsung 4k QLED that everything is connected to. Thankful it only lasts the first 10ish minutes otherwise it could get distracting while playing.

@TheSlackassCrew 2 жыл бұрын

So between the OSSC and the RetroTink 2x pro, Whats the best choice to hook up to a VGA computer monitor?

@flagainst3 4 жыл бұрын

Cool vid

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@guns102 3 жыл бұрын

OSSC for me is purely for DOS. The resolution and refresh rate is hard to work with as most captures cards/upscalers won't recognize the signal, but the OSSC solves all that and it's great. Pretty much every other console I just use the framemeister. Not really run into a reason to use OSSC on a console over the framermeister... Yet anyways.

@BiotchProductions Жыл бұрын

I'm having a problem that I hope maybe you can help with. I have a pretty Legendary game room where I play all my games on a high-end ViewSonic HD projector with a 130 inch screen and Bose surround sound. All my gaming looks great except when I try to play the PS2, GameCube or Wii. I've tried a few cheap and even mid-priced S-Video to HDMI converters but, for example: when I play Soul Reaver 2 on the PS2 the gameplay is extremely dark. I don't have this issue when I hook it up to a regular smart tv. I was thinking of getting the Framemeister for its ability to change the brightness among the other things in it's built-in menus. However, do you have any suggestions that might be more affordable that can brighten my games when playing on my projector? Thank you so much!

@oscarcamey8 3 жыл бұрын

I want to get the retrotink 2x pro but I honestly only collect for the N64, would the eon 64 be the better option of does the retrotink 2x pro look as good?

@AvalancheReviews 3 жыл бұрын

I'd say going svideo from the n64, into the tink would make for a better picture than the eon super 64. It might be a slight improvement, but it's noticeable to me. Especially when you consider how much brighter the tink is compared to the super 64.

@Thrakus 3 жыл бұрын

There is also KWorld TV tuner/DVD marker cards are very good , You can also get cheap Pci-X 4K Studio capture card that are very nice however they only do 4k30 but 1080/120. What other ideas to you like are use guys? The best choice of all is GBS8200 with modded firmware it works very close to OSSC for 17$

@CastleManiaGames 4 жыл бұрын

So on the topic of lag - its variable lag that is/ can be a ruined experience. The Framemeister only has 1 frame and its constant so this isn't an issue. The low quality cables not covered are the ones that can really change how the game is experienced. Depends on the game and all of this assumes your display is put in game mode.

@AvalancheReviews 4 жыл бұрын

This is very true. Anyone can adjust to constant lag, but when it's a saw tooth, you never know when the game will react to your inputs.

@Dimensiom 4 жыл бұрын

I am looking for something to convert the Dreamcast's VGA output to component video, but strangely finding anything suitable at a decent cost (under $200) is proving difficult.

@kennethd4958 Жыл бұрын

I know HD Retrovision was supposed to come out with component cables for the Dreamcast but I haven't heard much about it in a while.