LUMITIME: The Next Generation

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Fran Blanche

Fran Blanche

2 жыл бұрын

An inside look at a unique and very compact vacu-fluorescent display clock made by the same company that made the LUMITIME electro-mechanical clock I profiled last week. Enjoy!
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@fluffycritter
@fluffycritter 2 жыл бұрын
I was incredibly surprised by the way they opted to build the "speaker." Wow!
@theelmonk
@theelmonk 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen that also in an Estyma LED clock, except that they'd clipped the ear horn off to open the path to the sounder a little more. I think it's actually a magnetic earpiece - the crystal ones of that age always seemed to me medical-pink with a clear ear horn.
@LDuncanKelly
@LDuncanKelly 2 жыл бұрын
I had a Radio Shack LED clock in the '80s or '90s (based on the clock module RS sold back in the day) that also used an earphone as the alarm sounder.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 2 жыл бұрын
@@theelmonk Yes magnetic, and the transformer is part of the oscillator, as the chip outputs DC voltage only. Most common use for these chips was in stove ranges, to provide the clock for cooking, with the alarm output driving a loud buzzer or an oscillator, so you would set the alarm to the finish time, and be able to come back and check. On all the time, typically at full brightness, they did tend to cook the display, and also the electronics, seeing as it was typically right above the hot plates as well.
@SomeMorganSomewhere
@SomeMorganSomewhere 2 жыл бұрын
@@theelmonk Yup, the crystal ones also tended to be larger diameter
@Gunzee
@Gunzee 2 жыл бұрын
You could almost say it's _flapping in the wind._
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff 2 жыл бұрын
MM5316 - that brings back memories of when I worked in a local shop repairing warranty returns of clock radios & similar consumer stuff. There was another pin-compatible version, the MM5387, which could drive either VFDs or LEDs
@FranLab
@FranLab 2 жыл бұрын
I did an old 'hack' for this chip in my Heathkit years ago to summon the Seconds display and Time Hold functions.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
@@FranLab cool! :) How long ago was that?
@dblake5356
@dblake5356 2 жыл бұрын
@@KeritechElectronicscheck out Fran's past videos for the Heathkit Seconds Display hack.
@scottkraus7118
@scottkraus7118 2 жыл бұрын
@@FranLab jut
@ahsmeg4069
@ahsmeg4069 2 жыл бұрын
Would have been cute to hear the alarm. I'm trying to imagine how overdriven an earpiece would have to be to be useful as an alarm and what that would sound like. Imagining harmonic-rich square from a device operating way above its pay grade.
@richardstanton3173
@richardstanton3173 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that would be nice to hear the alarm. Maybe be she will make a follow up video to play the alarm ⏰️
@argcargv
@argcargv 2 жыл бұрын
The transformer was there for impedance matching. To get alot of output from that piezo earpiece you need high voltage but not much current. The transistor is good at low impedance high current.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the late 1930's, a time when nearly all speakers used electromagnets (field coils) and all headphones were piezo crystals, Brush Mfg (maker of microphones and phono pickups) patented an 8" full range *piezo* speaker using a giant Rochelle Salt crystal. I don't know if it was ever actually put into production, but it sure would be interesting to hear one! Unfortunately, Rochelle salt crystals tend to crumble with age and exposure to moisture and vibration, so it is unlikely that any examples have survived (for those who are unfamiliar, modern piezo crystals are some sort of ceramic crystal, developed by Motorola). I read an article about this speaker online somewhere, posted with a portion of the patent info. I also discovered that some people grow Rochelle salt crystals in their kitchen simply for the fun of it and because of the sheer size and beauty that can be obtained.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 2 жыл бұрын
Also used with the single transistor to make an oscillator, as the alarm and snooze outputs of the chip are simply logic levels, so you need the external oscillator, which is the transistor, the capacitors and the transformer, to make a audio oscillator, which then can drive the earpiece directly as well.
@TheSimoc
@TheSimoc 2 жыл бұрын
@@SeanBZA What is snooze output?
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSimoc Don't know, but is on datasheet, probably just mutes the alarm or radio while snooze is active, so that the lights on the alarm side or radio backlight stay on to show snooze, or to light up a LED indicating it is in snooze mode.
@TheSimoc
@TheSimoc 2 жыл бұрын
@@SeanBZA Aah, something like that makes sense. Seemingly not used to feed any audio oscillator though. Which was the implication I got from your comment, and got me confused. Btw thanks for your detail about the oscillator anyway.
@krissjacobsen9434
@krissjacobsen9434 2 жыл бұрын
Vacuum fluorescent displays are definitely my favorite. I have no idea why. Maybe it is the color or the glow. I've seen LED lookalikes, but it's not the same at all.
@MichaelBristow137
@MichaelBristow137 2 жыл бұрын
I really did enjoy the other lumitime clock video. The internal analog workings we're fascinating and surprising. This one is interesting too. Please keep up the great videos.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, this VFD is just lovely! Definitely a thing of beauty and a joy for ever :) Got a Soviet VFD just like the one DiodeGoneWild recently posted a video of. It's kinda cute to see VFD clocks from both sides of the Iron Curtain appear on YT roughly in the same time. I'm kinda pressed with repairs and projects, held back by lack of energy and budget... but time allowing, I'll be making a multi-timezone clock with it, showing the time at different labs of the Global Electronics Hacker Network, haha :).
@alpcns
@alpcns 2 жыл бұрын
Several test instruments still use these VFD displays. I like them, although modern LEDs are much brighter.
@artdonovandesign
@artdonovandesign 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video, Fran. Ostensibly, a random, antique object you could find at any yard sale. But when seriously considered, as you've done here, it's an entire world of 19th and 20th century technologies. So much thought and science! And yet so easily overlooked and dismissed. Thanks for the work.
@tehlaser
@tehlaser 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a sucker for a VFD. Something I never understood is how they manage to be so darn cheap, especially when most of ‘em have a custom design.
@qwertykeyboard5901
@qwertykeyboard5901 2 жыл бұрын
probably similar reasons custom lcds are cheap.
@maxcelcat
@maxcelcat 2 жыл бұрын
Wow epic nostalgia. I had a clock with that exact kind of display, even that colour, back in the eighties. I had always assumed it was LED until today. It gave off a lovely soft glow. And I had it for at least 15 years, beside my bed, until it was accidentally kicked off the beside table one day, and broke 😢
@rotaxtwin
@rotaxtwin 2 жыл бұрын
I was a child of the 70s, I remember these fluorescent displays showing up on everything and I still love 'em. The colour is nice and soft compared to LED's bright red. The minimalist design of that clock was great.
@atsdroid
@atsdroid 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe how you brought us through a complete teardown of this cute little clock, making comments about the unusual alarm sounder, and then DIDN'T EXHIBIT THE ALARM tone for us! But, nice video all the same. BEEP BEEP BEEP!
@lawrencebillson6224
@lawrencebillson6224 2 жыл бұрын
After seeing the transducer I really wanted to hear the alarm
@PaulaBean
@PaulaBean 2 жыл бұрын
I owned a vacuum-fluorescent calculator back then. Same blue display. I remember it emitted a faint hiss (probably the voltage upverter). I miss it!
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
We've got a teny weeny VFD calculator at our local hackerspace. Real cuteness for the tube that displays numbers that are like 8 millimeters high :). And I got it to work.
@Ender_P.K
@Ender_P.K 2 жыл бұрын
I have such calculator now, it called "Elektronika MK 61". I often use it at school. It slightly modified, I've replaced batteries with Li-Ion cell and added little charge board. Now it can be charged with the original power adapter (not charger, cuz it was not designed to use any rechargeable power source in it). It takes to charge about 10 hours (5v, 0.1A), but I can charge it faster with onboard USB (cell and board are installed in battery compartment) (5v, 1A). Why I did this? The original metal parts just were fully corroded and some were crumbled, they were unrepairable. It not the only thing I’ve replaced in it. I also replaced a power switch (reason why previous owner (my math teacher) gave it to me) and power filter condensator. One more interesting fact about this calculator: in 2 times older, then me. When I searched for the problem of crashes, I’ve found the scheme of it. I was really surprised, when I found almost everything about debugging and repairing it. All waveforms, components, even size of some components and pinouts of CPUs. It was not service manual, it was regular thing like user guide. About the user manual: it 200 pages long. Yes, not 20, 200. It tells how to test the calculator, how works programing, how to program it and it contains some mathematical, physics, accounting problems. When I used it, I felt all that care about end user. When you buy it, you get full user guide, that tells everything from turning it on, to solving problems with the using programming, scheme of it, so you can repair it at yourself, power adapter and leather-like case. You understand that this product has only one goal - work, until it can't cover user’s requests. Even if it will be after 36 years.
@38911bytefree
@38911bytefree 2 жыл бұрын
My grand aunt used to work with a Casio Personal M-1 .... and always wondering the high pitch noise .... pretty packed inside, 2 boards. It is a mervel they got this calc running on 2 AA's with a pretty decent battery life.
@TheSimoc
@TheSimoc 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ender_P.K Sounds really interesting piece, reminding of the fond side of communist memories (Elektronika was a Soviet brand). DIY friendly user documentation was common, there were Soviet cars having pretty comprehensive instructions for mechanical repairs, as well as specs and electrical diagrams in their *user* manuals.
@battleangel5595
@battleangel5595 2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather had one of those next to his bed. Being a man of the sea he was always up before anyone else. And way back then he had a MASSIVE house filled with splinters of pain and anguish... One particular school vacation when I was a kid I found his bedroom. And there was a similar clock next to his bed. Also said school vacation I ran into his alcoholic wife... Sitting in a round room with a recliner and windows giving a 180 degree of Trenton NJ. And naught else. "Mimi's getting up!" became a warning cry back then. Family horror story aside... Darn cool clock. Went fishing with him for 10 years. Best times spent with my grandfather. Learned LOADS from him. Even the basics of how to use a multimeter. Sadly he passed before he showed me how to play the bagpipes. A bit of his past I never knew. But still... A DARN COOL CLOCK was by his bedside.
@rikardlalic7275
@rikardlalic7275 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Fran. Myself I still have an old Casio fx-80 4xAA batteries, beautyfull VFD display, handhold calculator, fully functional. Converted to Ni-Cd via just one diode over power socket, long time ago. VFDs are so intimate and personal, especially those tailored for the purpose well and carrefully. I find VU-meters with VFDs amazing to stare at for the whole night through.
@ScottfromBaltimore
@ScottfromBaltimore 2 жыл бұрын
I know it's just an old clock, but I'm glad you got it back together, after having had to destroy the last device you disassembled.
@FranLab
@FranLab 2 жыл бұрын
Some must be sacrificed in order that others may function.
@orinokonx01
@orinokonx01 2 жыл бұрын
I had a clock radio as a kid that used the exact same VFD tube. I *loved* those segments, the way they slightly wrap around the corners. I stupidly sold it, along with a few other electronics gear, to Cash Converters later on in the 90s so I could get some pocket money for a computer project. Wasn't worth it, they gave me enough money to buy hot chips! I want my clock radio back! :D
@atschirner
@atschirner 2 жыл бұрын
My LED binary clock from the 80"s uses the same National chip. Thanks for the trip to the way-back.
@andyhowlett2231
@andyhowlett2231 2 жыл бұрын
I've always liked vacuum fluorescent displays for their crisp, easy to read appearance. Trouble is they have a habit of fading and becoming blotchy over time.
@lohphat
@lohphat 2 жыл бұрын
Since it had to run of 60HZ mains as the oscillator I wonder how they marketed it in Japan since they're STILL have a split 50/60Hz regional grid. I'm surprised there wasn't some sort of pin option on the driver to handle a 50Hz mode the user could select.
@FranLab
@FranLab 2 жыл бұрын
That chip has the 50/60 hz option when a pin is either Vcc or Gnd, and like all products it would be made for a specific market.
@eDoc2020
@eDoc2020 2 жыл бұрын
If this was made for use in Japan it would also have a 100v input instead of 120.
@CiscoWes
@CiscoWes 2 жыл бұрын
Never fully understood how the fluorescent displays worked. Thanks for the explanation!
@DanHarkless_Halloween_YTPs_etc
@DanHarkless_Halloween_YTPs_etc 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks, Fran! For a minute I questioned how an examination of a relatively bog-standard digital clock could make for ~20 minutes of content, but as usual, you didn't disappoint. First off, I had no idea JIS screws were a thing, so definitely good to know, though like you, I won't be rushing out to buy a JIS driver. And some pretty wild cheapo engineering, for a product made in Japan rather than China! Maybe the VFD was expensive, and they had to save cost in some other areas to hit a price point? That snooze bar wire "switch" is quite ridiculous, and maybe accounts for the repeated ineffective slamming of the button you often see in old movies & TV. Also a trip was the earpiece "speaker"! My only complaint is that I would have liked to hear the alarm go off, and/or have some commentary from you on whether it sounded unusually quiet and/or tinny.
@Patrick_AUBRY
@Patrick_AUBRY 2 жыл бұрын
I own a clock radio with that display technology. Early VCRs had this too.
@DennisSantos
@DennisSantos 2 жыл бұрын
Many late model VCRs had these too, only the displays were under w a red-tinted plastic cover, giving the digits a grey look.
@AnimationGoneWrong
@AnimationGoneWrong 2 жыл бұрын
OMG... flakey little "micro switch" for the snooze... I think calling it a "switch" is being rather generous. LOL An earpiece for the "speaker"... single diode rectifier... wow... you'd swear it was made out of spare parts Tamura had laying around. But hey... it works!!! For DECADES! You can't argue with that kind of a design. Loved this video. ❤
@russellhltn1396
@russellhltn1396 2 жыл бұрын
The thing to remember about the snooze switch is that it's likely to take a lot of abuse from people who just woke up and are not happy. If you use a standard switch in that application, I guarantee you'll have warranty returns.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 2 жыл бұрын
Those switches for the settings are pretty much standard parts, the right angle ones would have been special order items, but the straight ones, meant to be PCB mounted behind a panel, were off the shelf items used by the million in all radios as power and band selector, later on as radio or tape selector when cassette decks were put in, with a separate switch to provide power to the audio stage, along with a diode, from the cassette motor switch. All outputs from radio and tape were commoned on the amplifier, just which one got power determined what was heard.
@KOZMOuvBORG
@KOZMOuvBORG 2 жыл бұрын
16:55 had an alarm clock with that kind of display in the 80s. Have dropped it on its front a couple times, resulting in a (time/alarm)? switch getting its back pushed off. The digits were dark but could see a faint glow along those heater wires you're mentioning. Was able to reassemble the switch and keep using.
@demofilm
@demofilm 2 жыл бұрын
Nice find! , what a nice clock.
@emaglott
@emaglott 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing with the crystal earpiece!
@oliverbroad4433
@oliverbroad4433 2 жыл бұрын
FWIW that earpiece looks more like the moving "iron" type (static coil and magnet, metal diaphram) that seemed to be common with mono radios and cassette players in the early 80s. The crystal ones were larger, "flesh" coloured and had a wierd tightly twisted cable.
@watershed44
@watershed44 2 жыл бұрын
@Fran Blanche I have the Heathkit VFD alarm clock kit GC-1107 (offered in 1977) that came right after your panaplex kit, and it lasted for almost 40 years before the VFD was just too dim to see easily. My kit had a 2.5" speaker for the alarm sound for some reason, but there was NO radio function at all! My kit as yours offered either 12 or 24 hr readout. I also owned a Heathkit weather station (ID-1590)with the panaplex display for the windspeed/direction, also offered around 1975-1979.
@lurkersmith810
@lurkersmith810 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, in fact, the filaments do glow, but very faintly. If you're looking for it in a dark room, over a section that isn't lit, you can see the faint orange lines. When I was in High School in the 1970s, digital clocks were quite new, and I remember an article, I think in Popular Electronics that used a VFD calculator display and Mostek CT7001. The highlight of the article was the fact that you didn't need drivers for the VFD. Later (maybe the same year) I built one from a kit (maybe Radio Shack) that used the same chip, but with LEDs and the associated drivers. Google suggests your MM5316 was more popular in the 70s, but I remember seeing the Mostek in a few other places, and in fact, a friend built one with individual VFD tubes for each digit.
@granitepenguin
@granitepenguin 2 жыл бұрын
VFDs are still one of the most pleasing displays.
@truckmann1762
@truckmann1762 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the cathode wires do glow - faintly. My 2013 Silverado pickup uses fluorescent displays in the radio, gear selection display and the information panel on the bottom side of the tachometer. I can see the wires slightly glow when the power turns off. The displays go out first, then the wires go out.
@anoopsahal1202
@anoopsahal1202 2 жыл бұрын
In my Sinclair 300 calculator ( 1975) it is possible to display zero as no digits being switched on , when this is done and the display is viewed with no ambient light , the cathode wires have a feint glow
@AlanCanon2222
@AlanCanon2222 2 жыл бұрын
The blue of the VFD reminded me of my TI Dataman arithmetic learning toy from 1977. It ran on a 9 V battery. I wonder if the VFD in it needed a higher voltage, and if so, how it was synthesized from 9V.
@MrPleers
@MrPleers Жыл бұрын
I found a Copal clock on a fleamarket that has the same kind of display. It only costed me $4-. So well worth the risk. Once I plugged it in at home, it worked fine. Only needs a slight polishing of the screen.
@kaasmeester5903
@kaasmeester5903 2 жыл бұрын
That brings back memories... My mum had one of these on her nightstand. I remember it well, including the innards since of course I had to take it apart at some point. Down to the NEC sticker on the back of the display tube, the switches, the janky "speaker"... I don't remember the Lumitime sticker though, I am positive it had another brand on it. This was in Europe though, so maybe we got them under a different brand?
@jerikkabenton7661
@jerikkabenton7661 2 жыл бұрын
OMG that crystal ear piece, we both said "whaaaaaa???" at the same time 🤣 Great break down of this and the other LUMITIME - thank you.
@gyorgybereg6916
@gyorgybereg6916 2 жыл бұрын
You keep posting interesting clocks, and I keep giving likes. Deal? 😁😁😁
@iandann6196
@iandann6196 9 ай бұрын
I have the SS-5 one on that catalog page (bottom LHS) bought it in the 70s still Runs, uses a single AA battery that lasts for years, approx 5. Also keeps good time.
@Petertronic
@Petertronic 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely display, it can't have been used for too long before being stored, well done to whoever decided to not just throw it out!
@pascalnelson9034
@pascalnelson9034 2 жыл бұрын
I had this exact clock, but labeled MFJ, for many years. I won it as a door prize at a hamfest. Ended up giving it to GoodWill during a move a few years back. Was still working perfectly.
@hughjanus1840
@hughjanus1840 2 жыл бұрын
The earpiece alarm reminds me of the Sinclair ZX Spectrum computer from 1982. It's "loudspeaker" was made from one half of a cheap personal stereo headset.
@chrisguli2865
@chrisguli2865 2 жыл бұрын
After watching this I might just get the urge to use VFDs in my next project! Love that glow! This clock is very efficiently built. BTW love your Heathkit clock. My very first kit in the 1970s was a "son of a clock" kit I bought from the back of Popular Electronics mag - I think it was only $12 or so, but without the case....they just provided the PC board, the clock chip (similar to the one in this clock), transistors, resistors, LED displays, etc. However they did not provide a transformer or a case. So I had to go down to my local Rat Shack and get a metal case and the transformer - costing an extra $10 or so. Built the kit successfully....mounted it in the case. What I never liked about commercial digital clocks is they never provided the seconds display - my kit clock as well as your Heathkit has SECONDS - ah! I like the thin sharp segments on your Heathkit. Clock kits were popular back then it was such a novelty!
@SomeMorganSomewhere
@SomeMorganSomewhere 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I LOVE the look of VFDs over LEDs or LCDs, they're so much nicer IMO. In case you're that way inclined you can get VFD modules which are drop-in replacements for HD44780 style LCDs.
@Thegonagle
@Thegonagle 2 жыл бұрын
My GE clock-radio from my grandmother, very early 80's, uses either this, or a very close clone of this display. It has that same blue-green color that leans slightly more blue than is typical of most VFDs. And my dad had a low-end (but still expensive and heavy as a tank) early 80's JVC VCR that might have also used this display. It had a mechanical 4-digit counter and a 24-hour/1-event record timer. Since other indications were via separate LEDs on the panel, all it needed was a basic clock display similar to this.
@randomblogger2835
@randomblogger2835 2 жыл бұрын
VFDs were common in VCRs, there were many different display layouts produced. I have also seen a 10 digit calculator with VFD, it ate batteries real quick.
@-jeff-
@-jeff- 2 жыл бұрын
Another blast from the past!
@evil-wombat
@evil-wombat 2 жыл бұрын
I have a clock radio with the same exact VFD (complete with rounded corners). It's made by Hanimex I think. Had it for decades and recently some of the segments went bad. I'm quite fond of it; assuming it's the driver IC and I'm about to repair it by replacing the IC with a dedicated VFD driver and an STM32 for timekeeping.
@JeffreySJonas
@JeffreySJonas 2 жыл бұрын
Radio Shack and mail order surplus electronic catalogues used to sell the bare chips: MM 5316 and family. I rarely salvaged any clocks that used them. I tried following the "sample circuit" but the LEDs I chose were too large.
@00Skyfox
@00Skyfox 2 жыл бұрын
My family’s first microwave when I was a kid had a VFD. It didn’t have a clock function so it was blank when not in use. At night with all the lights off I could just barely see the dim red glow of the heater wires. Of course at the time I had no idea what they were or why they were in there.
@RPKGameVids
@RPKGameVids 2 жыл бұрын
I love the colour of the VFD display.
@michaelmoore7975
@michaelmoore7975 2 жыл бұрын
When was the snooze feature 1st put into production? I can't remember any prior to late 70s or early 80s. Before that there were just shut off switches
@chinabluewho
@chinabluewho 2 жыл бұрын
I will have to keep my eye out for Lumitime clocks when I go out thrifting.
@chrispomphrett4283
@chrispomphrett4283 2 жыл бұрын
The 'Unik Time' mini early LED clocks in the UK also have an earpiece as the alarm sounder. Similar mini transformer, wattage and era too .
@eDoc2020
@eDoc2020 2 жыл бұрын
The type of switch used here for the snooze button is also used in more critical applications. The buttons on a carbon monoxide detector I took apart were the same. Now that I think about it my clock radio has the same type, too.
@user2C47
@user2C47 2 жыл бұрын
Same in my $4 smoke alarm.
@robertmeyer4744
@robertmeyer4744 2 жыл бұрын
VFD are still used in some electronics. the multi color ones are neat. some times in the dark you can see the filament .my radio shack clock is VFD I got when going out of business sale. has 9V battery back up. power always goes out hear in NY. town of Boston.
@kevinpatrickmacnutt
@kevinpatrickmacnutt 2 жыл бұрын
I still use a Panasonic clock radio from 1984 that still uses a florescent tube. I like the color and legibility. I think GE also used them.
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 2 жыл бұрын
6:20 Oh no, Fran lol. It's not a problem with modern DIN screwdrivers (which fit old JIS screws just fine), but with old American screwdrivers and tighter or corroded screws on old Japanese motorcycles and the like, the difference between American Phillips and JIS crosshead was definitely a problem.
@chrisguli2865
@chrisguli2865 2 жыл бұрын
I've collected many Snapple caps over the years - had an idea to make a hex keypad out of 16 or 20 Snapple caps since they have a "snap" action when you press them. Anyway, that snooze "switch" reminded me of that idea I had.
@GordieGii
@GordieGii 2 жыл бұрын
@12:35 Judging by the individual control grids, this probably is multiplexed. Don't even need to rely on persistence of vision as you probably have a little persistence of phosphor.(as you mentioned at 15 minutes) If they aren't used for multiplexing they are probably there to even out the electrons to reduce banding.
@lordmuntague
@lordmuntague 2 жыл бұрын
So can that audio transformer be cranked up to 0.11? 😊
@GreatJoe
@GreatJoe 2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing that snooze button in part came about because they wanted a certain measure of springiness, and hey it's held up great for decades. The earpiece though, I dunno, feels like when I enter VERY specific specs into Digikey and get something from a couple categories over from what I intended.
@ScottGrammer
@ScottGrammer 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Fran. It's not a crystal earpiece. It's an 8-ohm magnetic earplug. Too small for crystal. The transformer makes it easy to drive. Parts Express still sells them for a buck and a half. See if you can't detect a magnetic field from it.
@stimie
@stimie 2 жыл бұрын
The earpiece as a speaker is amazing but the switch direction converters are the icing on the cake. I love it. I have a question for anyone who knows. In VFDs, why are the corners that black color? It kind of looks like high heat and or high voltage caused it. I'm assuming it's a part of manufacturing but I've always noticed that and never looked into why it's there.
@FranLab
@FranLab 2 жыл бұрын
It's right here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r8iYZKxprK-snYk.html
@stimie
@stimie 2 жыл бұрын
@@FranLab Thank you!
@UpLateGeek
@UpLateGeek 2 жыл бұрын
Very cute! I bought an open frame VFD clock kit from China as a Christmas present for myself last year. I suspect it was quite a lot more expensive than this cute little clock would have been, adjusted for inflation. Plus you wouldn't have had to put it together yourself. But where's the fun in that?
@MichiganPeatMoss
@MichiganPeatMoss 2 жыл бұрын
The 39th week of 1983 on the IC and 24-volts. Wow. I recall some handheld electronic games of that era also having vacuum fluorescent displays for partial "animation".
@WestcoastAudiGuy
@WestcoastAudiGuy 2 жыл бұрын
The space between the horizontal cathodes, is that why the digits have dimmer areas? From what I could see, the dimmed spot of each number was about half way between the cathodes...
@InssiAjaton
@InssiAjaton 2 жыл бұрын
Quite interesting! I built my still in use alarm clock from a kit in 1979. It is different in two ways. First it has red LEDs. Second, it has 24 hour display (my wiring choice). I remember wondering why it had 30 V power. And how it COULD have such high voltage. Turned out the chip was PMOS type and indeed rated for some over 30 V supply. I never have had any other PMOS chip in my hands. At some point the plastic case had twisted enough to pop open. I forced it back in shape and secured it with 1.5" wide transparent packing tape. At the same time I added a bigger capacitor to hold up the operation through at least 20 seconds of power drop. And unlike your clock, it has a crystal time base. 40+ years and it still runs fine. Although I have added a Radio Shack roof projection clock as well. That one has a VLF time sync, but only the 12 hour AM/PM operation without any option for 24 hour display mode.
@jackclements2163
@jackclements2163 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Japan, Shimotsuke City. 3 days, maybe 4 days a week I pass a clock shop on my way to work. In this age of Amazon etc, I often wonder how he stays open and survives. All clocks are synchronised to the same time.
@goofyrulez7914
@goofyrulez7914 2 жыл бұрын
I used to make clocks using the "National MM5314N Digital Clock Chip IC" (and 5316). They were pretty much a single chip solution.
@wimwiddershins
@wimwiddershins 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta dig that futuristic Lumitime sticker font.
@teacfan1080
@teacfan1080 2 жыл бұрын
I have a model C-11 Lumitime with alarm and the spinning star burst. It's in near mint condition, case is beautiful, all numbers lights. The one thing wrong with it? The motor stops spinning. Now I've been inside this clock and cleaned up everything, polished the plastics and lubricated the motor. At first, it ran fine, then there was a grinding noise. It got louder, finally it stopped. Looking at these motors, the spinning rotor barely fits inside the stator and the bottom and top plastic piece is designed to hold that rotor dead center within the stator. So the grinding noise was the outside part of the rotor rubbing against the stator. Eventually, it rubbed too much and stopped it. When I ran the motor in the horizontal position, it was fine for testing. But installed on the clock and then running vertically, that's where the trouble started. I imagine I'll look at it again sometime but not sure if the motor is shot or can be modded in such a way to make it run reliably again.
@rbmwiv
@rbmwiv 2 жыл бұрын
That color looks like the DSKY that have been powered up. I don’t remember the channel but they had some original stuff and used an arduino to be the sensor inputs.
@marvintpandroid2213
@marvintpandroid2213 2 жыл бұрын
All the best stuff is made in Japan.
@TheTarrMan
@TheTarrMan 2 жыл бұрын
What were those displays you showed in the intro at the very beginning?
@MichiganPeatMoss
@MichiganPeatMoss 2 жыл бұрын
Somehow that crystal earpiece struck a memory with a digital clock my dad had and I took apart years ago. Perhaps the same brand? Wow.
@Nabeelco
@Nabeelco 2 жыл бұрын
Re Philips vs JIS: I think the reason it matters is because the blade depth and pitch angle are slightly different, meaning using the wrong driver dramatically increases the odds of stripping the fastener.
@SnabbKassa
@SnabbKassa Жыл бұрын
So instead of just playing an alarm sound, the driver in that mono dictaphone earpiece -- I would call it that because I had a beige one exactly like that circa 1990 -- can play music if given musical input?
@AC9BXEric
@AC9BXEric 2 жыл бұрын
The cathode lines glow slightly and in a very dark area you can see them. With the typical grayish lens over the display it filters out any that could be seen.
@JCWise-sf9ww
@JCWise-sf9ww 2 жыл бұрын
Fran thanks for showing us all these Lumitime Clocks and how they work, Videos like this are what I like to see.
@pauljs75
@pauljs75 2 жыл бұрын
The display looks like the one used in some GE clock radios from that era. I wonder if the same part was used between companies?
@abrahamliebsch3385
@abrahamliebsch3385 2 жыл бұрын
I have a GE SpaceSaver under-cabinet clock/radio that seems to have a very similar display as tube as well, though the AM/PM are a little less compressed. Its easy-clean touch pad controls, rectangular red LEDs, and green/blue VFD all still work perfectly.
@bigjd2k
@bigjd2k Жыл бұрын
Imported and badged when the “race to the bottom” happened, every manufacturer competing on price and going crazy low. The same happened to calculators, and it’s well on the way with lighting now.
@randomnessidek1259
@randomnessidek1259 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting little clock! I quite like it. As for that PCB, it’s a doozy. I’ve noticed that a lot of late 70’s overseas made products had circuitry that seemed quite last minute.
@Electronics-Rocks
@Electronics-Rocks 2 жыл бұрын
When I bought my parents first electronic radio alarm clock it was very funny. As set it for 6am and the alarm switched on with them waking to DJ saying "good morning" which they thought someone was in the room so both jump out of bed. So I got a fry up for breakfast that morning being up so early.
@DennisSantos
@DennisSantos 2 жыл бұрын
I used to own a 70's TI calculator with a VFD and sometimes the cathode wires would glow for a couple of seconds after switch-on and sometimes would stay glowing and the digits themselves wouldn't light-up until I cycled the power switch again. Some kind of glitch...
@dentakuweb
@dentakuweb 2 жыл бұрын
When I saw the hole on the bottom and saw the white plastic the first thing that came to mind was a cheesy little earpiece like that. It's a good way of making use of old stock that nobody was ever going to use for it's original purpose anymore.
@zsigmondkara
@zsigmondkara 2 жыл бұрын
Does somebody knows, where can I get those kind of tiny audio transformers (preferably only the core and the bobbin)? On aliexpres I only found ferrite cores in this size
@ms_nop
@ms_nop Жыл бұрын
Seeing a lot of comments here on building a new project with VFDs or getting a replacement, I feel compelled to deliver some bad news: the last VFD manufacturer (in Japan maybe the same one as this clock) stopped making them a few years ago. They still make LCD though.
@aramboodakian9554
@aramboodakian9554 Жыл бұрын
I imagine there is a piece of plastic protruding from the upper case keeping the ear piece in place
@tmmtmm
@tmmtmm 2 жыл бұрын
The cathode wires in some VFDs I've seen do actually glow a very dim orange - only apparent in a dark room and with most of the segments off.
@FranLab
@FranLab 2 жыл бұрын
A sign that they are being run with too much current - Many times they want to push the brightness, but it will limit the life of the display.
@anthonydenn4345
@anthonydenn4345 2 жыл бұрын
Now we can have any colour/muti coloured RGB displays with any sounding alarm you want. Ah, the future : )
@acemasterx2514
@acemasterx2514 2 жыл бұрын
How people come to invent displays like that? If you put that display in a 100 years era before that, what people would think about it? Someone discover something, then other people discover other stuff, and again and again, then some people put all it together and you get stuff like that. And this process is still going and going. That is so amazing.
@wa2ise
@wa2ise 2 жыл бұрын
I have a similar clock, except it's 24 hour. Labeled "MFJ", a company that markets devices for ham radio operators.
@JeffreySJonas
@JeffreySJonas 2 жыл бұрын
New displays have "chip in glass": the driver chips inside the glass envelope. Still needs multiple power supplies (filament, logic, fluorescent) and requires circuitry to scan it. it is NOT 'set it and forget it'.
@kuebbisch
@kuebbisch 2 жыл бұрын
I think it still qualifies as solid state, even if the display is a vacuum tube. Manufacturers marketed "solid state" TVs after the era of tube TVs, but both used a CRT as a display. I think the distinction between "solid state" or "hollow state" is just if the switching/amplifying components are tubes or germanium/silicon devices. The output device doesn't count, or is my motion detector in the garage now also "hollow state" just because it switches some fluorescent tubes?
@wmrg1057
@wmrg1057 2 жыл бұрын
Love the background sound effects, courtesy of the city's police department. Don't they know you're filming? 🤣
@FranLab
@FranLab 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. I pay extra for that.
@flymypg
@flymypg 2 жыл бұрын
I look at the PCB trace side to check for revision and/or copyright dates.
@hugoromeyn4582
@hugoromeyn4582 2 жыл бұрын
Nice clock but the other one with gears was the beast!
@Cristian.Cortez
@Cristian.Cortez 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a sucker for anything with VFDs
@bryede
@bryede 2 жыл бұрын
Me too, but its getting harder to find old clocks where they're still in good condition.
@acw2099
@acw2099 Жыл бұрын
i have got one of these that was rebranded MFJ Enterprises USA. looks like they just placed a paper sticker over everything except for the made in japan part. it does not have a brightness switch however in its place is a 12/24 hr switch
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