Bike Fitter RANKS Endurance Bikes Worst to Best

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4 ай бұрын

Endurance bikes are often a great choice for cyclists who want a bike that fits. James Thomas ranks the big brands offerings from worst to best.
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@gearhunter
@gearhunter 4 ай бұрын
00:01 Intro 00:26 Ribble Endurance SL 01:07 Scott Addict 01:48 Specialized Roubaix 02:46 Trek Domane 03:54 Boardman SLR 04:39 Cannondale Synapse 05:11 Triban RC520 05:49 Giant Defy 06:51 Pinarello X 08:15 Canyon Endurace
@J_Marci
@J_Marci 4 ай бұрын
Thank You!
@thefilipinoknight6617
@thefilipinoknight6617 4 ай бұрын
You forgot the triban
@EdwinOdesseiron9000
@EdwinOdesseiron9000 4 ай бұрын
Ah, Hero we needed :)
@JibbaJabber
@JibbaJabber 4 ай бұрын
@@thefilipinoknight6617 Lol. Apparently it's so cheap that it's almost forgettable.
@gearhunter
@gearhunter 4 ай бұрын
@@JibbaJabber lol
@BradleyHansonPhotography
@BradleyHansonPhotography 4 ай бұрын
I will watch anything with James ranting. I can't quite describe why I enjoy him being an enjoyable curmudgeon.
@10flyingdutchman
@10flyingdutchman 4 ай бұрын
Same. He tends to be correct in his rants.
@BradleyHansonPhotography
@BradleyHansonPhotography 4 ай бұрын
@@10flyingdutchman Agreed. I worked in a bike shop and watching his videos about fits made me realize my saddle was too high and my cleats were too far forward. These realizations alone fixed 99% of my fit and comfort issues.
@10flyingdutchman
@10flyingdutchman 4 ай бұрын
@@BradleyHansonPhotography yep, most of what he says makes logical sense. Going to 40cm handlebars vs what came off the shelf was a game changer for me.
@oOoACFREEMANoOo
@oOoACFREEMANoOo 4 ай бұрын
maybe cause he's like a Guy Richie character taking about bike stuff. Lock stock and two smoking bike frames
@chrisp9859
@chrisp9859 4 ай бұрын
Very down to earth and straightforward, but kind with a sense of humor.
@ReganFreeman
@ReganFreeman 4 ай бұрын
Love my Canyon Endurace. Grabbed the AL model back in 2020. Best value imho, mine came with Shimano 105 and it’s done everything I need it to do. Highly recommend 15,000 miles later
@DrNergale
@DrNergale 4 ай бұрын
Same! Bought mine at the beginning of the pandemic, currently at 12000k. And I wasn't a cyclist at all before that, now i'm go by bike everywhere!
@davebarrett2355
@davebarrett2355 4 ай бұрын
Also have the AL 7 RB - have upgraded the wheels and it feels and rides great :)
@arp_909
@arp_909 4 ай бұрын
Same. Although in the middle of tweaking the fit.. getting hand pain. Otherwise find it quite comfortable, I’m sure it will feel amazing once I’ve got the fit dialled
@KroTrowl
@KroTrowl 4 ай бұрын
Listen I absolutely never comment on anything but I'll comment here to join the Endurace crew. Endurace AL Disc 7 from 2019, first bike and made me fall in love with riding it. about 26k km and counting. Ride on Enducrew.
@stefanwagener
@stefanwagener 4 ай бұрын
Also end of 2019 model, 25,000km, got 20mm shorter stem and use all the spacers :) And bought it exactly for the reason of more relaxed geometry than other bikes at that time and best value for money ... if you can service your bike yourself.
@Fabeman1
@Fabeman1 4 ай бұрын
I have a Specialized Roubaix and I actually think the future shock 2.0 is a real plus in terms of comfort. Haven’t had any issues with it and really glad I have it every time I hit the Belgian cobble stones. It’s also easy to lock whenever I don’t need it and since I’m not looking to shave off every gram on the bike, the whatever extra weight is fine with me.
@NickForest999
@NickForest999 4 ай бұрын
Seconded…I find it ironical that some of these bike KZfaqrs bang on about weight and then spend most of their rides carrying cameras, Go-Pro’s etc. In the real world the future shock works well and for old duffers like me takes the sting out of what are frankly shite roads round my way
@ugomarsolais
@ugomarsolais 2 ай бұрын
I have a 2023 Roubaix Sport 105 and I love the Future Shock. It dampens bumps and cracks very well. Why would I want all these vibrations and bumps going straight into my hands?
@nealm6764
@nealm6764 25 күн бұрын
I agree. I have the 2020 Roubaix Sport with the FS 1.5 and it is great for me. I could drop 20 to 25 pounds off my body, so that should come off before I start shelling out wads of $ for gram savings. Having said that, I would love to try a Pinarello X5 and see the difference for myself.
@gabrielcarlothomas
@gabrielcarlothomas 4 ай бұрын
I have a future shock 2.0 on my 21 Diverge and have had zero complaints with it. I also work in a shop where we sell a decent amount of bikes with Future Shocks, and the only thing I have had to replace is the boot occasionally. I have never had one break. Not saying they can't, but I have never seen a failure.
@Garfie1d73
@Garfie1d73 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for that inside information. I like my Roubaix very much. If you come from a racing background the geometry is quite relaxed. The best "endurance" bike I ever had. Comfortable, light and a lot of flex in the right places (seatpost, future shock). I too only know about boots that needed replacement because people tend to strap top tube bags around it.
@DaigoroToyama
@DaigoroToyama 4 ай бұрын
@@Garfie1d73 Another Roubaix owner here. I love mine (2021 Sports), too. I have had to replace my boot because I ripped it while trying to remove the future shock cartridge. (I was changing the bottom cap with the shorter one.) Other than that, the future shock has been working well for me.
@marcowalther7867
@marcowalther7867 4 ай бұрын
Only future shock I ever had to fix was when I bought a used Diverge for my wife: it had belonged to a rather spoiled teenager who had lost the top cap and thus water seeped into the system. Thing was a bit corroded. But, I took it apart and regreased the unit. Worked perfectly after that. Now we have two future shocks on our bikes and no problems. Those Pinas look quite awesome in respect to the geo. The thin lattice structure at the back seems over engineered to me.
@hectorkidds9840
@hectorkidds9840 4 ай бұрын
I stripped and regressed the future shock on my partners diverge when it had got wet due to a split boot. Bit of a faff, but it's been fine ever since. On broken tarmac that thing works away letting her glide along. It really looks like it's helping when I'm next to her.
@cadriver2570
@cadriver2570 4 ай бұрын
It's also quite comfortable. Are other bikes really even in the same ballpark without any sort of shock? The suggestion that FS are used because Specialized has bad engineering is interesting. Would love for them to expand on that.
@quincywalker4441
@quincywalker4441 4 ай бұрын
In trek’s defense they took out the front iso speed, while keeping the only one that matters which is the rear one.
@virtualmartijn
@virtualmartijn 4 ай бұрын
True, but the Gen4 has become even more expensive than it already was. An SL7 AXS (SRAM Force) is an 8,5kg / 7000 EUR bike and that's without pedals, bottle cages, computer & mount. The equivalent SLR7 AXS is still listed as 8.38kg and then is over 10,5K EUR 😵.
@vincentlevalois
@vincentlevalois 4 ай бұрын
@@virtualmartijn Not only that, the Rev 1 rear ISO that came with the first Gen 4's is a complete POS. No amount of carbon paste would fix the seatpost slippage and creaking noises. Terrible design imho.
@matthewnormand2041
@matthewnormand2041 4 ай бұрын
The aluminum frame versions make for a pretty decent commuter. Geometry is a bit too relaxed for me, though. To match the positions of my other road bikes, I had to slam the slam and swap the 90mm -7 degree stem for a 110mm -17 degree stem.
@jarhead4657
@jarhead4657 4 ай бұрын
The current Domane rear isospeed is known for creaking and seatpost slipping. I canceled my order for one and bought an Endurace.
@gerrymcbride6429
@gerrymcbride6429 4 ай бұрын
@@virtualmartijnI bought my Size 54 Gen 4 SLR7 Ultegra Di2 (8.1kg with Assioma pedals, cages & edge 830) for EUR 7,200 a year ago.
@TriathlonDan
@TriathlonDan 4 ай бұрын
LOVE my Endurace. Had it 7 years and it's the one bike I can ride all day.
@vermilionink
@vermilionink 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for continuing to beat the drum for shorter riders! 5'3" is in fact the AVERAGE height for women in both the UK and the US. As a 5'3" rider I am in fact very normal, but the bike industry largely treats me as a distant outlier. With cycling jerseys I can kind of get used to my pockets dragging down below my butt and letting overlong bibs just bunch up a little on my thighs so they don't cover my knees (though I won't ever love it!!), but finding a frame that fits is a much more serious and limited story. And it shouldn't have to be! Because my height is, again, completely average. There are a lot of us out here and we all have a damn shoulder ache.
@DavidtheDoom
@DavidtheDoom 4 ай бұрын
I've had the Triban RC520 for the last 3 years or so. Absolute great ALU-bike. I've done a 200 miles/320 km trip in one go but also a bunch of centurians on it (162 km or so). Smack a bunch of wide tyres on it and it is really comfortable. The saddle is a bit so so out of the box, but for the price easy to replace with bills still in the wallet! 😁
@AdrianWells
@AdrianWells 4 ай бұрын
Was hoping to see the BMC Road Machine and Look 765 Optimum+ in this list (mostly because they seem to match my fit well).
@matthieu8002
@matthieu8002 3 ай бұрын
765 optimum + is great deal !
@Spleck9000
@Spleck9000 3 ай бұрын
The look 765 optimum + (2021) made me feel something special when I got to try my bosses. He must have felt something special, too. He replaced his Colnago cross bike for the look, I now have that Colnago.
@andyzeigler6092
@andyzeigler6092 4 ай бұрын
The Trek Domane was dinged because they said it has a suspension in the front. Fact check: that was removed in Gen4. The Domane pictured does not have a front shock/damper.
@jarhead4657
@jarhead4657 4 ай бұрын
So now the gen 4 is known for seatpost slipping and creaking. Nice work trek engineers.
@andrewengland781
@andrewengland781 4 ай бұрын
I bought my Canyon Endurace CF 7 disc back in late 2021. It was my first real road bike and my first carbon framed bike. It's still looking like new except for the worn bar tape and tires, but it's done a lot of +12hr rides. Everything I read at the time I purchased this bike pointed at those new to road cycling (or older like me) should get an endurance geometry. Obviously my heart wanted something flashy and fast but I'm really happy with the bike. Waiting for the weather to improve to take on some 300-400km rides 😊
@jarhead4657
@jarhead4657 4 ай бұрын
I have a CF 7 too which has a normal bar and stem not that integrated nonsense.
@stuartguy4479
@stuartguy4479 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video, having sat in on my son having his bike fit done by James a couple of years ago I can say it was so insightful and even as a ‘spectator’ I learned so much
@matthewshaw3747
@matthewshaw3747 4 ай бұрын
It’s good to hear James talk about shorter riders. My wife is 160cm and most bikes “in her size” are seriously compromised. Toe overlap for days, 2 cm of seat post sticking out etc etc etc. It’s crazy to me how many bikes get made that suit riders that are 190cm+ and how few suit 160cm or less. There are so many more people that are that shirt rather than that tall. Huge market just left with very few options.
@StephHall95
@StephHall95 3 ай бұрын
Yes I also love him, though when he said "all the way down to 5"3" my 5 foot nothing self was like 🙃 darnnnnn
@christoferstromberg6605
@christoferstromberg6605 3 ай бұрын
There is probably a big difference in how much the markets can spend. In western countries the 190cm+ crowd is kinda big and they usually got money to spare (taller people are in general more successful). Anyone being 160cm or shorter in a developed country is usually poor (or was when growing up). 167cm for men and 158cm for women is the current limit to official limit to be counted as short (dwarf) here in Sweden.
@matthewshaw3747
@matthewshaw3747 3 ай бұрын
@@christoferstromberg6605 your right that they on average earn more but there is so few people that tall. I’m 186cm and I see one or two people that tall a day if I’m out all day and I can see hundreds of people that are 160cm (the average women is 161cm here in Australia) or less.
@christoferstromberg6605
@christoferstromberg6605 3 ай бұрын
@@matthewshaw3747 186cm would mean you're kinda the average native man here in the nordics. You would almost never be the tallest person in a room. 25% of my team at work is over 190cm. We have two people below 180cm. At 184cm I feel damn short, even got some women in the office that's taller than me.
@matthewshaw3747
@matthewshaw3747 3 ай бұрын
@@christoferstromberg6605 for sure. But even tiny Australia has more population than the whole Nordic area. Not to mention the billions of people is Asia who are no where near as tall.
@1969Rake
@1969Rake 4 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this, as I do most of your stuff. While I know it's mostly out of your range I'd like to see you and Jimmy review some touring bikes. Such as the Kona Sutra and Fuji Touring as well as others. You could even include your favorite favorite, Decathlon Rivrside 520!
@andrewdaly8283
@andrewdaly8283 3 ай бұрын
I LOVED by Boardman SLR disc. It was beautiful and the most comfortable bike I’ve ridden so far. I’m in the US and only got a boardman because it was carbon, disc, and had good components for a great price from Merlin cycles. Never saw another Boardman but got lots of compliments. Sadly, it was stolen. God I loved that bike.
@rodman1971
@rodman1971 4 ай бұрын
I picked up an Endurace this year and cannot be happier! Made sure to pick up some spare parts just in case when I ordered it so that if little things fail I have the spares ready to go. As an FYI, I chatted with my LBS before buying to see they could find a similar specced bike at a similar cost, they could not unfortunately. I do love my LBS so while I didn’t buy this bike with them they have all my other N + 1 business 😅
@531c
@531c 3 ай бұрын
Great vid guys. I own a 2016 Canyon Endurace rim brake, ultegra equipped bike. At least i did until i gave it to my son during the 2020 covid / bike shortage period. Great bike in many respects, very comfortable. We rode LEJOG September 2021, that bike had 28mm tyres carried 16litre seatpack and 7 litre bar bag, all good. Not perfect though. Two poor design points are 1. The Acros headset, with its peculiar 2mm hex adjustment bolt, very difficult to get right adjustment imo. 2. Cable route for front mech is internally routed through the downtube, exits a few cm before BB then routed around external BB via a nylon/plastic fitting. The cable, under tension and travelling through a very tight radius cut through this and ceased functioning. I bought a couple of these plastic fittings from Canyon and resolved the issue. With regard to speccing the bike at the time, i chose a 175 mm compact 50/34 chainset, and rear cassette with 12/25. The frame size is XL. Id still reccommend Canyon. At the time it cost £1750, whereas a similar spec Trek Domane was £2800.
@brookes79
@brookes79 4 ай бұрын
I totally agree about the Ribble Endurance SL, i own the Endurance SL e ( amazing injury recovery tool btw) & i had to flip the stem & ride a size smaller than i would usually & now i can ride on it all day with no issues what so ever.
@cyclingmrc
@cyclingmrc 4 ай бұрын
My bike came 3rd, happy with that. I've followed James' advice, handlebar set up and width, fits lovely. Just need a cut out saddle now. Cheers
@TheTurnerturner
@TheTurnerturner 4 ай бұрын
Love my Domane Gen 4, ride is amazing. Very smooth on gravel as well. No sore issues after a 5 hour ride.
@jc2685
@jc2685 4 ай бұрын
Purchased the Ribble endurance sl rim 2022 for £560 on ebay, thought it was an endurance bike. Did feel stretched to start with so I pushed my saddle forward slightly. Now it feels more comfortable. No aggressive position. Can easily ride for 3-4 hours no back/neck pain. Slam the stem if I want more aero/racing. Best of both worlds!
@br5380
@br5380 Ай бұрын
I also picked one up before Christmas s/h, a carbon with high spec wheels. I pushed the saddle forward, dropped 30mm off the stem and had to move the levers up about 20mm on the bars to get a decent fit. I got the XL as I’ve a +35” inseam. It’s a stretch, and while I can ride it for 3-4 hours (which I’d class as a short ride), anymore cripples me for days. My gravel bike though, I can ride all day, and then the next. The Ribble is going back on eBay and I’m buying some road wheels for the gravel bike.
@1Stewman1
@1Stewman1 3 ай бұрын
Had a Specialized Roubaix, then 2 Diverges--one pre-Future Shock and one with Gen-1 Future Shock. None rode as well as my Niner RLT. Absolutely love this bike. Interesting to hear James' comments re: the D2C bike market and touting the benefits of working with a shop. GO JAMES! As a lifelong employee of a small specialty ski and bike shop here in the states, thank you.
@Juma81
@Juma81 4 ай бұрын
I have the Triban rc520 and love it. Had it fitted by Denver at Bicycle Richmond last year, and its super comfortable. Thinking about upgrading the wheels on it and keeping it as my regular commuter and getting something gravel based for my long rides.
@vonjororo
@vonjororo 4 ай бұрын
I don't understand - are they endorsing the Triban or critisizing it's geometry? Aka is it part of the list or not?
@Wichyn1
@Wichyn1 4 ай бұрын
@@vonjororo Compared to the others, it's "ok" but in reality it's great. It has a good endurance geometry, and its an absolute gem for the money but it's aluminum so might be lacking in terms of weight against others. Personally, I have it and, unless you are proper racing with it, you can't go any better than that. In their channel they have a full review on that bike and you can clearly see that there is nothing better or remotely close to it in the same price point
@mmaciek163
@mmaciek163 4 ай бұрын
I have RC 500 and I just upgraded the wheels with dt swiss rr421 rims. Great biker for the price
@RussNicholls
@RussNicholls 4 ай бұрын
I have the rc500 and it's took a lot of abuse, I also have a 2022 Defy. In terms of position, the Triban is a lot more upright geo position in a like for like size
@vonjororo
@vonjororo 3 ай бұрын
@@timmycz11 Well, that's my original question - is it even part of the list? So you're saying it is and it's ranked no 4.
@dmoore4520
@dmoore4520 4 ай бұрын
I purchased a Cervelo Caledonia w/105 as my road bike last year and I absolutely love it. Hydraulic discs, 105 w/ bigger cassette stock and 52/36 front, non integrated headset to help my mechanic. It was between that and the defy and really came down to the deal i got!
@kamilkurzynowski3836
@kamilkurzynowski3836 4 ай бұрын
Till your bottom bracket falls out and you realise that they offer zero support…
@rico7637
@rico7637 3 ай бұрын
​@@kamilkurzynowski3836 their new threaded bottom bracket is problematic like that?
@kamilkurzynowski3836
@kamilkurzynowski3836 3 ай бұрын
Yes, I have caledonia on ultegra DI2 and it basically unscrewed itself. I will never bg cervelo ever again.
@grahamroot4521
@grahamroot4521 4 ай бұрын
James, the canyon comes in at your no1. The SLX range all come with the 1 piece integrated cockpit which granted has width adjustment but what does a rider do if the stem is too short or too long when they don’t even sell this cockpit as an aftermarket item?
@thibaudderieux8506
@thibaudderieux8506 4 ай бұрын
Amazing list, James is so clear in its explanations, congrats ! What do you think about Origine bikes ? Especially the endurance Axxome III serie ?
@gavinequinn
@gavinequinn 4 ай бұрын
I have an RC520 that I bought 2nd hand about 3 years ago as a 'temp' bike. Still have it, and it's going fine. Use it for winter and bike packing and up to recently was my most comfortable bike.
@The_One-Eyed_Undertaker
@The_One-Eyed_Undertaker 4 ай бұрын
After quite a few years, the Canyon Endurace AL7 is still the best bang-for-the-buck for the average weekend warrior. Considering the parts and component specs (full 105 mechanical groupset and hydraulic brakes, DT Swiss wheels, carbon fork and seatpost, Selle Italia saddle, Conti Grand Prix tires), even better value than the Triban RC 520.
@hurleyvideos1
@hurleyvideos1 4 ай бұрын
Trek Domane AL 5. The 105 aluminum version. No suspension to mess with. Very comfortable and very affordable. Great value.
@gerrymcbride6429
@gerrymcbride6429 4 ай бұрын
I'm 67, have a 2016 Defy Advanced 2, a 2020 Madone SL6 and 2023 Domane SLR and I can't honestly say that one is more or less comfortable than the others. I'm fine on all of them as long as I have the right saddle.
@sidiastor9091
@sidiastor9091 4 ай бұрын
I´ve been riding my Endurace CF SLX 7 di2 for 7 months now and really enjoy it. Yes, the fully integrated handle bar and stem are a head scratcher at times, however being able to experiment with the width somewhat makes it not so bad - the rest is great....although...on an indoor trainer sweat tends to get into the "tool-cavity" on the top tube, since it all drops right on it...but hey, I wrapped a towel around it ^^
@EdwardHarrisYeah
@EdwardHarrisYeah 4 ай бұрын
Can confirm the endurace is really good. Have the AL rim brake version and it has been phenomenal from the first ride, from bike-packing to trying to get PRs on climbs. Really does seem to be the best deal you can get on a new bike with 105 and less than 8.5kg ❤
@alynlambert4855
@alynlambert4855 4 ай бұрын
I have a 2020 Ribble Endurance SLr (same as LC used to ride) and I love it but I agree it's not the most 'endurance' of bikes - I can still happily do 150-200km rides on it but probably not back to back days :) Thank for the great content as always
@jonathanrobinson2628
@jonathanrobinson2628 4 ай бұрын
I'm on a 2017 Endurace 105 2XL that I've owned for about 16 months. I mostly ride gravel, but when I'm on road, the Endurace is excellent. It's incredibly stiff in terms of power transfer and handling, but with a buttery smooth ride. At 203cm tall, it's one of the few road bikes that fits me without any difficulty. Highly, highly recommended.
@AJ-ws8wp
@AJ-ws8wp 4 ай бұрын
Perfect timing. I am literally about to upgrade, as I want to get a cf endurance bike which I plan on using for everything. Love this video.
@ketle369
@ketle369 4 ай бұрын
Got the 2018 Endurace Carbon disc 105. Very pleased with it. I think the geometry was a bit more aggressive then. I ended up between the M and L and chose the M and put on a longer stem.
@cb6866
@cb6866 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Francis and James....I hope you are both well .
@dorothyb.
@dorothyb. 2 ай бұрын
Great video. I am small and struggling to find the right size. I’ve narrowed it down to the canyon and pinarello. I was in a trek shop last week and they were trying to get me to try a 50 frame. Bonkers. That said I’m also after the e-bike version!
@jasonself9043
@jasonself9043 4 ай бұрын
Merida Scultura Endurance? These seem right on the money to whats being discussed, and well good value. I ride the more aggressive Scultura, which I love.
@borisgurevich5504
@borisgurevich5504 4 ай бұрын
I ride merrida 300 endurance but I am no expert
@mikekelly1771
@mikekelly1771 4 ай бұрын
First thing I thought. How can they leave out the best endurance bike on the market?
@kevinlowman4845
@kevinlowman4845 4 ай бұрын
I got the Merida Scultura 6000 Di2 endurance, fantastic bike, a very underrated bike.
@matteo.ceriotti
@matteo.ceriotti 4 ай бұрын
That was my other option before I got the Endurace! Great value for money and good endurance geometry, too!
@vapyd3999
@vapyd3999 4 ай бұрын
I was about to buy a scultura endurance 4000 last year when I found a 2019 scultura 400 rim for $150AUD, can't complain for the price, got a shorter stem, but when I upgrade it'll be a scultura endurance or an endurace.
@grantwilliams2912
@grantwilliams2912 4 ай бұрын
A great insight. On review of geo’s I think there is still a lot of room for manufactures to get between the run of the mill top tube/head tube lengths. Pinarello seem to do this 🙂👍
@notyourrealfather
@notyourrealfather 4 ай бұрын
Good video, but I figured I'd let you know the newest Domane gen 4 got rid of the front decouple and changed the adjustable rear decoupler to a fixed setting one to reduce weight (still not ultralight) and help eliminate creak. I got my gen 4 SL6 last year, no issues so far. I do like that Canyon, I just couldn't bring myself to buy one without a test ride and no shops near me had one.
@jarhead4657
@jarhead4657 4 ай бұрын
The Gen 4 is known for seatpost slipping and creaking. It’s all over the reviews on Treks own website and in the Trek and Domane sub Reddit’s.
@jimpeyton1459
@jimpeyton1459 4 ай бұрын
Always fun to listen to James. I think saying anything positive about Specialized causes James physical pain 🤣. I have the last pre-future shock rim brake Roubaix Sport and a 2020 disc brake future shock 1.5 version (purchased fearing descents in Colorado for the Triple Bypass event). Both are comfortable to ride for a 67 year old enthusiast. I agree the future shock is ridiculously complex and a maintenance nightmare. I've planned for the eventual replacement of the future shock with a hack that eliminates it... probably go with a Red Shift or Cane Creek stem shock to smooth out the rattles. Both bikes cost considerably less than some of the ones near the top of the list, and neither has custom cockpits that prevent changing out stem length (looking at you Canyon). Any thoughts on looking at Titanium bikes? I'm looking to replace my gravel bike with a Lynskey or Litespeed. Thanks again for the content.
@SamGrayPlus
@SamGrayPlus 4 ай бұрын
I went back and forward between the Ribble Endurance and their R872, before i knew much about cycling at all or what endurance really meant. Went for the r872 as the geometry was more relaxed and I was new to cycling. Change the names and they have a great range.
@anthonybanks2979
@anthonybanks2979 4 ай бұрын
I have the Canyon Endurance CF SL and its Fantastic!!! 4300$ Ultegra DI2 very comfy can ride all day. I bought the RedShift Seat post that you fellows recommended, makes for a nice ride of rough tarmac. Love the channel
@headlessmike
@headlessmike 4 ай бұрын
I've ridden a ROSE Pro SL endurance bike for the last couple of years. I absolutely love it. Sounds like James would approve of the geometry of it as well.
@notkaty
@notkaty 4 ай бұрын
Not in the UK, he won't
@MCBritta
@MCBritta 4 ай бұрын
Agree, my dad's got one aswell. Love to ride it every now and then. Also they have a really long span in sizes from 490 stack/ 365 reach all the way up to 645 stack/ 425 reach
@99mh99
@99mh99 4 ай бұрын
Ridden a size 57 Pro SL for a few months . Amazing bike for the price. However the geometry is somewhat more racey for an endurance bike. When compared to my 56 Standert Kreissage RS race bike and 56 Pinarello X3 which i tested, it definitely feels closer to the Standert. Still an amazing and comfortable bike for its price though.
@headlessmike
@headlessmike 4 ай бұрын
@@99mh99 It's a bit less relaxed than some of the bikes in this video, yes. But it's still more on the endurance end of road bike geometries.
@JWFloyd
@JWFloyd 4 ай бұрын
Nice to see someone mention Standert. I've been living in Berlin (their hometown) for a little while and have seen quite a few them around. They look great. If I had not arrived here with a new hand-made titanium bike (T-Lab R3 Omni - Canadian bike... fantastic), I would have seriously considered a Standert... Maybe I still ought to as a going-away present when my posting is over. @@99mh99
@MrJpauwels
@MrJpauwels 4 ай бұрын
Great Video, just recently found your Chanel, and it is ver useful. Especial as I am looking buying my first real bike. What I am missing is the other side of the range. You are mentioning the fit for smaller people, but what about the larger cyclist, I am 1.98 with an inseam of 99.6cm and I find it difficoult finding the right brand, geometry for my size. As you probably know, every shop, even the sportive bike specialist are trying to fit you on their brand. Bikes I am interested in are the BMC roadmachine, pinarello x, cervelo Caledonia. Are there other models I could take a look at? I am living in the Netherlands, If I would live near your location, I would definitely pay you a visit 😃
@johne7100
@johne7100 3 ай бұрын
Speaking as a dedicated Audaxer, I have a few criteria that rule most of these bikes out: - *MUST* have a cylindrical seat post, preferably 27.2 mm in diameter so that you can clamp stuff to it. Seat post must be alu or alu-lined carbon, carbon-only is rubbish. - *MUST* have external cables for quick repairs on the road. Aero is only relevant for boy racers. - *Should* be able to take fork-crown mount dynamo lights - why suppose that disc brakes remove the need for a headlamp there? The handlebars are occupied by a GPS and a decent handlebar bag for in-flight refuelling. - *Should* be able to take mudguards, although Raceblades will do at a pinch - *Should* have enough room in the frame for 2x950 ml bottles. Most sloping frames only leave enough room at the back to carry a 600 ml comfortably. You can squeeze a 950 into a side-extraction bottle cage but when I tried it it leant over sideways and made my leg sticky. None of them meet the fork crown mount requirement. The Triban is the best match. The Canyon looks half decent apart from that daft split seat post (I'd put a decent leather saddle on so suspension would not be needed). There's a nice lot of space in the frame, though.
@ryanglahs8692
@ryanglahs8692 4 ай бұрын
Glad to see the Defy was near the top of the list - it helps to validate my purchase 😊
@AnvilAirsoftTV
@AnvilAirsoftTV 4 ай бұрын
Phew. I can watch the video happily now.
@AnderGdeT
@AnderGdeT 4 ай бұрын
It's an amazing bike. I have the 2019 model, and it's fantastic. The new one looks amazing.
@ronitdebnath
@ronitdebnath 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely. But the sizing info on the defy is pretty wrong in the video.
@erich8258
@erich8258 4 ай бұрын
@@ronitdebnath Right, hasn't the geometry gotten racier on this year's model?
@ronitdebnath
@ronitdebnath 4 ай бұрын
@@erich8258 the stack by 10 less yes. Not longer but lower.
@seryozhasteve
@seryozhasteve 4 ай бұрын
Great real world review for mere mortal cyclists. My new Domane didn’t get past James’ sceptical squint with flying colours, but I got it at a big discount, and interestingly after not getting along with the Endurace. Should have watched this first, that Pinarello X just might be the dream ride.
@gavinm717gkm
@gavinm717gkm 4 ай бұрын
I’ve just picked up a Synapse 105 this past summer and it’s fantastic. Group set of the people and it’s comfy as heck with factory standard 30mm tires.
@mattallt5649
@mattallt5649 Ай бұрын
Gav how you getting on with the smart sense? I keep having battery issues. On me third one now as they just keep not charging and other issues
@mindmaze17
@mindmaze17 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for another very helpful video! 😊I was wondering what is your opinion on the Rose Reveal bike? Also, because a Canyon is on my radar and waiting for it to be in stock in the 3XS size, the crank length is 165 mm for this size and the 2XS.
@jorgenswensan3299
@jorgenswensan3299 3 ай бұрын
Great list, 4 weeks to late though as I purchased my Endurance Bike already. A BMC RoadMachine, was looking for a Giant but came home with a BMC. Works like a dream (yes I did a bike fit before and after the purchase)
@EmmetFardy
@EmmetFardy 4 ай бұрын
Glad to new my new Defy is high on the list. I've only had it a few weeks but so far so good. It feels light and fast without being stretched out.
@iunnra1s
@iunnra1s 4 ай бұрын
Domane rider here. Love it, but the choice was more driven by availability and the fact that my nearest LBS is a Trek store and was able to get it in my size in a reasonable time frame. I bought in the middle of covid when Canyon was unobtainium and the other LBS within driving distance could order me a Giant for delivery in just over a year or a Cervelo for closer to a 6 month lead.
@user-ds6lb1df1i
@user-ds6lb1df1i 3 ай бұрын
good video with good information. Made the mistake as a novice buying a Ribble SL sports endurance bike. Went for a bike fit and chap said sorry to tell you but thats not an endurance bike. Was due to cycle from Sekirk to Rome for MND charity and had to go and buy another bike with good advice. Gutted I wish I had done a lot more research and watched your videos. Keep up the good work.
@randomize.4
@randomize.4 4 ай бұрын
Have a synapse 2 (the al version with tiagra that James mentioned). Got a fit beforehand becayse of you guys and very happy with it!
@TheGrumpyCyclist
@TheGrumpyCyclist 4 ай бұрын
Love your content gents !! Just to be that guy and point something out : it seems that the endurance across the range does come with 165mm crankarm length for the 2XS and XS sizes in the alloy model and for the 3XS and 2XS on the carbon models
@andras.89
@andras.89 4 ай бұрын
Triban RC520 :) Love it :) I am a short guy, with short arms. Changed the 100mm stem to 80mm, and I am perfectly happy with my M-sized (even if Ishould have gone with S-size) bike with new 165mm cranks
@davidmertens4737
@davidmertens4737 4 ай бұрын
I Just bought the Scott addict 10 because my old storck grix was too aggressive for me. And i gotta say, that this small differences was all it took for me. But ye i get your Point
@michaelreiter4695
@michaelreiter4695 4 ай бұрын
Cervelo Caledonia-5 didn’t make top ten? Oversight or you really hate it. Got a fit prior to purchase. Replaced my 2015 Synapse. Love this bike.
@aguyindallas
@aguyindallas 3 ай бұрын
Agree! I have a properly fitted Cal 5. To me, it was a MAJOR upgrade from my Giant Defy (that made this list) in terms of endurance ride comfort (and of course quality).
@michaelmigliore
@michaelmigliore 4 ай бұрын
Great video overall. I’m curious to know how neither the BMC Roadmachine nor the Cervelo Caledonia made the list over bikes like the Ribble
@user-qk6ol8iq3d
@user-qk6ol8iq3d 4 ай бұрын
In 2023 I had a bike fit session with James. He advised me to buy Canyon Endurace. Now I ride it and can assure that the bike is really great in terms of geometry. Once again, thanks to James:)
@World-through-my-camera
@World-through-my-camera 4 ай бұрын
Delighted to see Endurace as the winner, love mine. I never bother with my aero anymore (which cost twice as much), the aero is faster but the speed bump is not worth the loss of comfort. Just fitted it today with the Selle Italia Boost that was suggested in one of your earlier videos.
@robertblank1754
@robertblank1754 3 ай бұрын
I have a Domane sl5. I is carbon fiber, with 105 mechanicals. It does have issues with its iso shock system, but the main part was replaced/upgraded and now is fine. It rides like a dream, the fitting revealed a slightly larger than usual size, I would be careful about upsizing.
@amitm3
@amitm3 Ай бұрын
I have canyon endurace and love it. Great bike, great specs and a wonderful ride after I switched to Carbon Wheels.
@emiliov4085
@emiliov4085 3 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks! 😊 What abaout "Rose Reveal 04", "Ridley Fenix SLIC" or "MMR Grand Tour 00"?
@markjashworth
@markjashworth 3 ай бұрын
Cooool. I bought the Canyon Endurace last year... Lovely bike - just waiting for the bloody weather to cheer up now.
@markboast2867
@markboast2867 20 күн бұрын
Good fun review. Ta. I think at this level it is a real horses for courses game when it comes to how the individual “fits” the ride experience. I have a Defy and Domane and love them both for different reasons.
@mcorbett01
@mcorbett01 4 ай бұрын
My favourite bike is my Canyon Endurace 8.0 bought in 2019. My second favourite is my Giant Defy Advanced Pro 2. Both are excellent bikes at good price points 👍🏻
@neildempsey36
@neildempsey36 4 ай бұрын
So the synapse with smart sense get you completely but as for geometry where does it sit compared to rest of the endurance bikes Another great video BTW
@grahambell9831
@grahambell9831 4 ай бұрын
Top informative video from masters James & Francis 👍👏
@MrVikingdane
@MrVikingdane 3 ай бұрын
Just picked up my giant defy advance pro 0 … beast of a bike 😮 Was going to go endurace but stock issues in Canada are weak still sadly
@h31sman
@h31sman 4 ай бұрын
The CAAD Optimo 1 is another endurance option from Cannondale. It’s cheaper than the Synapse from what it sounds like and comes with 105. It’s also pretty upright with full spacers.
@arthor675somthing
@arthor675somthing 4 ай бұрын
Yep, bought a Ribble endurance 725. As it was my first bike for 15 years I didn't know anything about geo and probably also bought a frame size to big too. I'm thinking of getting a bikefit from James as I broke my ankle many years ago and have an asymmetrical pedal stroke and he seems a have a real passion for people being different and unique.
@jameshancock18
@jameshancock18 4 ай бұрын
I’ve been fitted by james, definitely recommend
@kacy750
@kacy750 4 ай бұрын
5'9" and I bought the number 1 bike on this list about three years ago in a small frame. love it! now to get some carbon wheels to increase my comfort even more. thinking of getting some zipp 303's(not the 303S) or some reserve 40/44"s. any thoughts on other brands of wheels to look for? I like the idea of riding on 25mm wide internal wheels, but if there are other options I'm game! I also think my cranks are too long @ 172.5mm , so I plan to change those once the new stuff wears out.
@jordan32none
@jordan32none 4 ай бұрын
That was a good watch, James any advice for a 6’5 casual/entry level race rider on which brands to go for?
@lukewalker1051
@lukewalker1051 4 ай бұрын
Good review and pretty fair take. A note about the Specialized Roubaix and commentary about their business model. When Cancellara won the Paris Roubaix in 2011, I went ahead and ordered a Roubaix SL3 frameset with 10r carbon from my local bike shop. In part due to all the rave reviews. I have owned a lot of bikes and am also a mechanical engineer. I have owned two Roubaix SL3''s in fact and many other more modern bikes. This bike was and is the best bike I have ever ridden. Specialized ruined the Roubaix. Make no mistake. The future shock exists for company profit.. Future shocks over time fail. The company expects the consumer to purchase the future shock twice or three times over the life of bike ownership. Many don't want disc brakes. I live in flat Florida in the US and almost never touch my brakes or think about them. If I lived in the mountains, I would be on disc but I don't. I can lock up both wheels with rim brakes and of course Eddie Merckx did just fine on inferior rim brakes compared to rim brakes of today racing in the Alps. You are so right about many of your observations from Ribble and others not even having an endurance geometry and calling them endurance bikes. Also, a shame Cannondale ruined the Synapse with the integrated light kit. The Synapse is an overall great bike in Aluminum and carbon. Idiots. Much of all the non-value gingerbread added to modern bikes appealing to ignorant consumers is for marketing niche and for part replacement as bike companies try to sell their proprietary bikes 'twice' in terms of proprietary part replacement. This is a calculated business model which btw dramatically affects the car industry as well. Bikes are more complex now and complex machines fail more and the consumer ends up paying for them twice all for more profit for manufacturers. Keep up the good work and thanks for your video. PS. Probably a jump ball between the updated Defy and Cannon as you note. Love the Defy, wish it had a threaded BB.
@jarhead4657
@jarhead4657 4 ай бұрын
He made multiple incorrect statements about multiple bikes as others have already pointed out.
@3rwparks3
@3rwparks3 4 ай бұрын
I ride an older Trek road bike, a 54. And I am looking forward to upgrading to an endurance bike. I have a shorter upper body, and the reach does come into play. I have described myself as a 54 lower and 52 upper. Recommendations?? Great video.
@stephenclark2684
@stephenclark2684 3 ай бұрын
Have a 2018 Canyon Endurace CFX with 11 speed SRAM ETAP with hydraulic disc brakes. Over 13,000 miles ridden without any issues. Reynolds Assault wheels. Fantastic bike. Taken apart and put in bike box over a dozen times. I would highly recommend Canyon.
@dcooksitup
@dcooksitup 3 ай бұрын
I love my Canyon Endurace CF SLX di2 I can ride all day everyday. I live in San Diego so I rode all three Toad bikes they have to offer and thought I was getting a ultimate but left so happy knowing what bike to order and got fitted there 😊
@MichaelSmith-fn1ci
@MichaelSmith-fn1ci 4 ай бұрын
Love my Giant Defy 2023 model year. Fits like a dream, although I did require a shorter stem. Wondered what you thought of the Colnago C68 road, appreciate this isn’t an endurance bike but is possibly my next purchase.
@mariocristiano706
@mariocristiano706 3 ай бұрын
Very enjoyable video. Just a little misguiding about the parameters: it seems comparisons have to do with TT lenght, or reach, without mentioning seat tube angle.
@philipjamesparsons
@philipjamesparsons 4 ай бұрын
I have the older Triban 540, similar frame to the Triban RC520 with rim brakes. Brought it in 2000, barely ridden for £300 with Shimano 105. There are often barely used ones on ebay and one with 50 miles on is showing as being £395. These are a great budget buy and easy to maintain.
@DR_1_1
@DR_1_1 4 ай бұрын
Yet I can't find the S 105 version in my size (L) in Europe, they are sold out since a month at least that I'm looking on their websites... sounds like it's easier to find in the Uk.
@WRBL69
@WRBL69 3 ай бұрын
The RC520 was a suprise for me, I won it and I'm happy with it, altough I get weird looks when I ride or talk about it... I'm converting it into a gravel/road+ bike, so now it sits on better wheels, 38mm tires and had some other changes. The main thing I don't like about it is the outside cable routing, especially on the front brake, that makes fitting SpeedRocker mudguard a hassle :/ and the lack of thru axles. Oh and servicing the brakes with these TRP HY/RD is a pain, If the seal on the piston brakes, good luck... I had to switch out to mechanical brakes :/ but I'm fighting with them atm ;) For all the owners, I really recommend changing out the wheels, it makes the bike much more snappy and stable.
@ShawnIsBatman
@ShawnIsBatman 4 ай бұрын
A fantastic video! I am currently on a 2022 Pinarello Price and with a good bike fit it is doing everything I need it to do and is the best bike I have ever owned. Of course the real 'best bike' for any cyclist is their 'next bike' so as soon as I can perform a Jedi Mind Trick on my wife into believing that the a Pinarello X is a need vs. a want, I will be riding a new Pinarello X.
@reggieimages
@reggieimages 4 ай бұрын
Looking seriously at the Giant defy, although as of Valentines day, it appears its still aprox 8 wks out. Love to try the Canyon, but I have to ride something before I buy. Excellent vid and info
@ScottBuchanan-fx9zw
@ScottBuchanan-fx9zw Ай бұрын
After extensive research and James' recommendation I purchased a Pinarello X1. Love this bike and highly recommend for anybody 5'7" to 5'8"in height. Thanking Cade Media and James for their input.
@cneubert28
@cneubert28 4 ай бұрын
I have the newer Domane SL5. I will say they removed the front suspension, so there has been weight savings from previous years.
@grahamroot4521
@grahamroot4521 4 ай бұрын
Yes, you would think the presenter would research the bikes he is commenting on 🤷‍♂️
@cneubert28
@cneubert28 4 ай бұрын
@@grahamroot4521 he’s not wrong, up to the 2024, all carbon version of the bike are heavy with front suspension.
@wrwicky
@wrwicky 4 ай бұрын
That update has really made a nice improvement
@cneubert28
@cneubert28 4 ай бұрын
@@wrwicky yup! They fixed a lot of the noise issues. Have over 1000+ miles on mine and the most issues I have had were from the original wheels.
@gerrymcbride6429
@gerrymcbride6429 4 ай бұрын
@@cneubert28 Gen 4 Domane introduced late 2022 does not have front Isospeed.
@petedannatt
@petedannatt 4 ай бұрын
I was surprised how tall and short the new Cannondale Supersix Evo is, at least in larger sizes. It also supports 55mm of headset spacers and the low to mid range models have a separate handlebar and stem which increases fit options. It's almost the opposite of the Ribble. A race bike with endurance geometry. BTW, I always feel it's mad putting an integrated bar and stem on an endurance bike. It just limits fit options. Not pointing at you Canyon, with your one piece bar and stem on the "End-your-race"!
@georgehinds9104
@georgehinds9104 4 ай бұрын
I have the Canyon Endurace, and the Pinerella Prince..I love both bikes. Great content guys.
@JamesBriano
@JamesBriano 3 ай бұрын
I rented a Prince in Tuscany a few summers ago and loved it... fit like a dream.
@ryanwilliams2518
@ryanwilliams2518 3 ай бұрын
I’m a shorter rider (162cm) and ride an XS (48cm) TCR. Giant changed the crank length and handlebar width free of charge to suit my fit needs. I agree with James that it pays to get a fit and buy from a bike shop rather than online! The biggest issue I had was saddle width as everything Giant makes these days seems to be wide so I had to swap for something else (Selle Italia SLR Boost).
@K777John
@K777John 4 ай бұрын
I have a 2018 Specialized Roubaix, have done 12,000 miles on it, 50mm carbon wheels, tyres, chains, and block are the only things I have changed. I may have to look at the Pinnarello when I decide on a change.
@stevemccarthy6350
@stevemccarthy6350 4 ай бұрын
i have an endurace al7 105 rim brake and it has been great since bought new in 2017, my ribble winter bike was just too long for me and i didnt like being that stretched out, so now i just ride my mtb in winter. The triban always seems to get great reviews and could be a future winter bike.
@GeirEivindMork
@GeirEivindMork 4 ай бұрын
lol, I bought an endurance bike because I needed a new bike and my old bike gave me back pain on longer rides. The reviews commented that it was very aggresive for an endurance bike but I didn't know how much before now, when I'm building a new bike and wanted to know the gemoetry. I also bought a race oriented road bike that I planned to have on the rollers. But it was so nice to ride outdoor, about as nice as the endurance bike. I realized that the painful old road bike had a lower bar and drop than the endurance bike - however, same effective reach to the cm. I stretch exactly to the cm the same on all three bikes. BUT I also noticed that the road bike had a rise on the stem and the endurance had a negative rise - and they have the exact same effective drop. so I sit exactly the same on both. I've bought two random bikes and ended up with two with identical fit. That blew my mind. But at least I know what I like.
@DR_1_1
@DR_1_1 4 ай бұрын
Yes, it's mostly a marketing effort to sell more bikes, road, allroads, gravel, endurance, touring, cyclotourism, etc. Decathlon is selling all their variants with the same frames, e.g. dc 520 gravel, dc 520 road, etc... even the number 1 in this video for its "endurance" fit, has the exact SAME GEOMETRY as their racing model, CF SLX!!! You might get more variability between road bikes from different brands, than between race vs endurance from the same brand, and even more differences by playing with the settings and equipment on your bike! Btw did you try to reverse the stem, make a -10° into +10° for example? although the reach will be shorter in this case I think...
@jasonhurst2491
@jasonhurst2491 4 ай бұрын
Yep. According to the Scott sizing chart I'm at the top end height and limb length wise for the large 2019 Addict I have. That chart also suggests I could make do with an XL. I can ride the large, but it wouldn't want to be one mm longer and I'm most comfy with a stem a bit shorter than OEM. Just crazy to think in the last couple of years they've actually made it longer 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♀️
@benjaminwolf9801
@benjaminwolf9801 4 ай бұрын
I am a huge fan of the Giant Defy 🎉
@richardhaselwood9478
@richardhaselwood9478 4 ай бұрын
Ditto
@eliotlaugh
@eliotlaugh 3 ай бұрын
Me too. 30mm tubeless, all day comfortable
@robmugglestone
@robmugglestone 3 ай бұрын
Love my Endurace too. Rode LEJOG in 2022, a few thousand more miles since and never even a hint of discomfort or injury. Can’t fault it. Canyons online size calculator was spot on too.
@rickytang75
@rickytang75 3 ай бұрын
I can tell you about the Synapse as I have one. Smartsense makes sense on lower spec bikes where I want to worry about only one battery and use only one app to manage the system. In this regard it works very well and I like it. Where this use case falls apart is when applied to Synapse models with more expensive group sets. It doesn't make much sense on di2 ultegra or dura ace. Riders on these most expensive group sets probably have their favorite gear (i.e. dedicated computer and better lights). I hate the front light on my Synapse. Easily the worst component in Smartsense.
@markusseppala6547
@markusseppala6547 4 ай бұрын
Love my endurace, only problem I had is that the press fit bottom bracket became loose pretty fast but a wheels mfg screw in type bb fixed it.
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