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@gkyfutfktxkd3 жыл бұрын
Every time I see a mas 36 I imagine two rifles stuck together by the bayonet lugs.
@joelodjick2302 жыл бұрын
Two rifles bro-docking? lol
@peterisaacs1344 Жыл бұрын
Yes ! I heard the story
@charlesinglin3 жыл бұрын
Not so much mediocre as pragmatic. It was the back up weapon while they worked the bugs out of the MAS40 semiautomatic. It was expected that they would be used by rear echelon troops, who didn't need anything fancy.
@slowhand11983 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@joelodjick2303 жыл бұрын
"Mediocrity" seems like a pretty harsh condemnation for a rifle with no actual shortcomings compared to other bolt action rifles in a combat context.
@guaporeturns94722 жыл бұрын
Possibly the best military bolt rifle of its era.love it
@joelodjick2302 жыл бұрын
@@guaporeturns9472 Its up there, as I see it too. I don't know where this whole "mediocrity" angle is coming from
@guaporeturns94722 жыл бұрын
@@joelodjick230Nor do I. I would probably take it over any other military bolt gun if I had to take one into combat. I’ve owned or still own at least one example of all the major military bolts and this is would be my choice.
@ahuman71992 жыл бұрын
@@joelodjick230 The reviewer is literaly wearing a mauser shirt and creams over the german gun. While dumping and using such langauge as 'mediocracy' on the Mas. You sure you don't see where the angles coming from?
@JamesJones-yj8ku2 ай бұрын
Mediocrity is more accurate than not. I love the concept of simplicity and overall looks of the rifle but the accuracy is terrible In my experience. I shot service rifle matches for years and probably shot just about every bolt action military rifle available. In my experience with the MAS it would be a 50/50 chance of hitting what you was aiming at pass 200 yards.
@tbuxt3992 Жыл бұрын
Mediocrity is a very poor word choice when describing such a reliable and effective combat rifle with little to no shortcomings
@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes. Been waiting for this. The MAS 36 reciever with rear locking lugs is the basis for the FR-F1, debunking the myth that rear locking lugs are inherently innacurate. Furthermore, rear locking lugs, in theory, might be more resistant to mud ingress, allowing the rifle to go into battery in dirtier conditions. One legitimate criticism from me though is the default length of pull is really short for me. Nice work, mon ami.
@johnkelinske14493 жыл бұрын
They aren't. I have a Schultz & Larsen target rifle in .308 that will shoot as well as any similar Mauser or other does.
@borkwoof6963 жыл бұрын
The SSG-69 also pretty mich debunks that myth
@joelodjick2303 жыл бұрын
As far as battle rifles go, I've had some pretty accurate Lee Enfields too, assuming everything else on the rifle was up to snuff (like bedding) The MAS was certainly combat accurate.
@PapaSchultz743 жыл бұрын
The bolt in the mas 36 is huge with really beefy lugs. They will not break or deteriorate anytime soon. Also the cleaning on a rear lug action it's so much easy.
@guaporeturns94722 жыл бұрын
I think it’s probably the best all around military bolt action ever.. or maybe tied with a No.4 Mk.1
@WardenWolf3 жыл бұрын
I've always loved how modern the MAS-36 looks. And I think the rifle would have had a lot of potential if it had a windage-adjustable rear sight.
@dylanwight57642 жыл бұрын
As a target rifle, maybe. But I take the Eugene Stoner approach on service rifles -- the less fiddly bits that a bored soldier can mess around with, the less likely the rifle is to be rendered unready for service.
@gunsbeersmemes3 жыл бұрын
This is the content we want. So many Tubegunners and Instagunners are filling 9 minutes of a 20 minute video, with ads for Raid Shadow Legends and wooden sunglasses and crap.
@spencerhanni69843 жыл бұрын
My Mas is probably my favorite milsurp I own next to my 1891 Finnish Mosin. I'm thinking about using my Mas for deer hunting this coming season.
@catpatchtactics3 жыл бұрын
I had two at one point. One was a Santa Fe sporterized carbine, the other was original. I actually really enjoyed the gun and found it pretty well thought out for a “modern” military bolt gun. My biggest point of contention was the super wide front sight.
@SlavicCelery3 жыл бұрын
Wide sights are great for snap shooting, but not great for precision shooting. Makes sense thinking about French lessons learned from WWI.
@MilsurpMikeChannel3 жыл бұрын
It seemed to pull the best from the Enfield, Mauser, and M1917 along with enough parts commonality to go along with the later semi-auto rifle. Everything being equal, I would take this over any other bolt action rifle in World War II. Great video on this rifle.
@melchung15663 жыл бұрын
I bought one of these years ago during the first wave of importations. Got dies n brass from graft n sons in MO. Thanks for video!
@curtball10303 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable video. I actually did not much consider a MAS 36 for my milsurp collection. It just wasn't on my radar. As I filled in my collection for WWII battle rifles, I figured I might need to look at getting one if I could find at a decent price. I looked at several videos, including one of your earler ones. It got me thinking that this might not be a bad addition to have, Long story short, I found one at a cost I was comfortable with. Really felt good to handle, nice weight, comfortable to shoulder, smooth bolt action. It just felt solid. Took it to the range and I became a believer. Such an enjoyable gun to shoot. It is definitely one of my favorite guns. I can really understand why you rated it so high on yur bolt action milsurp review.
@trevorksanders3 жыл бұрын
I picked one up a few years ago that was a Century import that had a safety added and rebored to 7.62 NATO. I had no illusions about collector value, but it is fun to plink with.
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a fun plinker. How did they do the safety?
@matthewsallee88383 жыл бұрын
Does your rifle have the front grip wobble? Its the only reason I don't shoot mine often.
@trevorksanders3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewsallee8838 Yes. My friend held it wrong when shooting and got a nasty blood blister from the resulting pinch.
@mag3183 жыл бұрын
With your extensive collection do you own a MAS 45 and if so we'd love to see a video on it.
@timothyripley41753 жыл бұрын
I have no experience with bolt action rifles but I'm trying to get into them and I really like the ww2 era rifles. Would this be a good starter rifle for a collection? I'd also like to use it for hunting. I've been looking at the Springfield 1903s and various others but the size of the mas 36 seems like itd be great for my size and arm length. The research I've come across says that the mas 36 was supposed to be carried on an empty chamber. Thanks for the video
@cboetigphoneАй бұрын
A good analysis. I was a capability(combat developer) for the US Army so I understand that military requirements drive design. The French have their own view on what is required that is very different than the US or German requirements so you cannot compare one to an other easily, one has to look at the national drivers. In this case, the MAS 36 is spectacular if you are looking for a rifle that is for non frontline combat troops who are most likely conscripts. It is pretty much a Soldier proof rifle that will handle mud and is easy to clean. Being a target shooter is not a requirement. Hitting a man at 300 yards is OK. The US used the 1903A2 for the same purpose, I have both but that mission the MAS is a better rifle. All French rifles appear strange to an American and require different mind-muscle training (psychomotor) but if you have been trained on it, an American rifle would appear to be very difficult.
@davehardesty3649 Жыл бұрын
My local shop has one for 700. Not sure the year of production. Is this a good price? Looks like full retail from what I could find!
@sebastienscarparo48342 жыл бұрын
le titre est inexact. "la médiocrité à son paroxysme" ??? la perfection d'une arme de courte et moyenne portée avec un calibre conséquent à son paroxysme plutôt. J'ai utiliser le MAS à l'armée .c'est une arme "facile" ,semi automatique, fiable , "robuste "et super précise. Tu fais mouche à chaque fois jusqu'à 200 m . un vrai régal et ça envoie du lourd 😅. On me ferait un cadeau et je devrai choisir entre un MAS ou un FAMAS, j'hésiterai "très" longuement 🙄🤔. Je pencherai pour "papy" je pense 😁
@con6lex3 жыл бұрын
I bought mine the week this video came out! Mine is post war, but has the pre-war mag floorplate w matching serial number, and a pre-war nose cap with post-war stacking rod welded on.
@Dr._Nope3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, now that I think of it, that doctrine is actually pretty good for rifles. Handguns are another thing, if you have to use a handgun, you're drawing it out of a holster and in that scenario, you need to use that as soon as possible. With a rifle though, you're carrying that, with something like a Galil ACE, I can see that actually being faster than using a safety
@coreyfaehrmann15803 жыл бұрын
don't let Ian see this
@coreyfaehrmann15803 жыл бұрын
also dont let him see my comment he will be mad at both of us
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
I think he would appreciate what I say about it.
@coreyfaehrmann15803 жыл бұрын
@@MilsurpWorld Lol maybe you weren't nice enough Vive La France
@mrj49903 жыл бұрын
Can someone please tell me how to put a sling on this gun?
@brucermarino3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great presentation. The MAS 36 seems to be an excellent design given its intent to be an inexpensive, second line rifle. I also appreciate the French doctrine of not using safeties. Your comments in this regard are appreciated. It would seem that soldiers going into battle could simply leave the bolt pulled back with a loaded magazine. This would seem to create a rather safe condition even if the soldier were to fall or suffer some other calamity. In an emergency, simply pushing the bolt forward and chambering a round would appear to be nearly as quick as manipulating a safety. It would also have less chance of error due to fine motor skills under stress. If the need were to chamber a round without urgency but with stealth, carefully moving the bolt forward and chambering a round seems to be a viable option. Finally, leaving off the safety allows a rifle which is that's expensive, quicker to build, more reliable, and easier to use. Forgive me if I have speculated incorrectly on any of this, I am no expert but I deeply appreciate the field. Thanks again!
@con6lex3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it was carried with the bolt back. Too easy to snag, or get dirt in the action. Instead, after charging, press the top round down while you close the bolt. Bolt will not pick up top round. Then to fire, fully cycle the bolt.
@KB98133 жыл бұрын
Middle finger technique is only for QCB and you can see this in two British manuals. The bolt location is trying to minimize movement/distance needed during cycling to regrip the rifle. The only time I've seen it used in ww2 time frame was a Long Branch factory worker test firing brand new No.4 for a video presentation of the long branch production facilities.
@0BAAC0 Жыл бұрын
Older video, but I just came across it (despite being subscribed). One thing to flag - I bought one of the Century Arms conversions to .308 a few year back. I had to get the barrel re-installed because the headspace was SO FAR out of spec - way too excessive. If you've got one and are shooting it, have it checked by a gunsmith. Great video, as per usual.
@chrishighsite25223 жыл бұрын
I still need one of these for my college
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
I hope that's a typo...
@edmoore166110 ай бұрын
You’re not supposed to take the front sight band off, but if you do you can drift the front sight if needed for windage. However, if you drift it one way or the other too much, you will not be able to reinstall the front sight band. I drifted my front sight ever so slightly and my MAS 36 hits dead center at 100 yards now. Great shooting rifles.
@kawashimaarisaka26823 жыл бұрын
Mas36 is an awesome ww2 mil bolt rifle with good looking and reasonable recoil. Only downside for me is that it’s hard to do windage adjustment. Apart from that, it’s my favorite bolt rifle along with the Finn M39.
@brucermarino3 жыл бұрын
I think windage adjustments were officially frowned upon which is why they could only be done by an armorer. Thanks for the insightful comment!
@nathanphillips32513 жыл бұрын
The 7.5 French round is just scarce enough and soooo close to .308 to make a conversion tempting. I saw one for sale a few years ago at Liberty Tree in .308 (new barrel, not a Century chamber set back). A classic should of bought it when I saw it.
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
You listen to the end?
@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR3 жыл бұрын
I'd argue, that as a rifle round, 7.5 French is a superior round over 7.62 NATO. It also predates 7.62 NATO by almost 3 decades.
@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR3 жыл бұрын
@@wernervoss6357 yes. In terms of availability, 7.62 obviously wins. But in terms of case capacity and performance, I don't see why NATO didn't just got ahead and adopt 7.5 MAS.
@edwardsawyer4081 Жыл бұрын
Mine is a post war but was counterbored at the muzzle about a 1/4inch the rifling is excellent so maybe the factory counterbore?
@flintironstag998311 ай бұрын
They are counterbored from the factory
@jordanphone37543 жыл бұрын
I had the opportunity to pick one of these up years ago, but I went with an old 336 instead.
@Yvonmoua3 жыл бұрын
During Dien Bien Phou we used Mas 36 against Vietminh.
@anthonyhayes12673 жыл бұрын
2:00 When I find 69 in a gun's serial number
@davidschaadt59293 жыл бұрын
Song ,still spinning shrapnel by skyclad one of my favorites
@davidschaadt59293 жыл бұрын
A college radio station used to play it in '95 and I never knew who did it or heard it again until two weeks ago !!
@michaelmeredith7106 Жыл бұрын
I think he's talking shit!!! Mine is totally fine
@con6lex3 жыл бұрын
It was also designed for non front line troops: artillery, drivers, etc.
@TommygunNG3 жыл бұрын
Very slick-looking rifle. The series leads in aesthetics.
@tlrsmedia78203 жыл бұрын
Very good video, greetings from New Zealand.
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Do you happen to know Hamish from our podcast?
@tlrsmedia78203 жыл бұрын
Milsurp World Haha Yea I do know Hamish, I’m just uploading a video I made shooting one of his rifles as I type this message.
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
That's funny, small world... err... small island.
@actionjackson1stIDF Жыл бұрын
French Military Doctrine at the time the MAS36 was being developed was purely defensive. Thus they felt no need for a rifle with a longer barrel and greater range. It should also be noted that even though the MAS36 was adopted in 1936 most French units still had the Lebel Rifle at the start of WW2.
@thesmokinggun86743 жыл бұрын
Speaking of mediocre when are we gonna see a vid on your new smle?
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me, yeah I should. There's only a little info on the India Pattern in Skennerton's book.
@duanesarjec6887 Жыл бұрын
light usual easy to cliean the mas 36 dont need optic it is the ultimate bolt rifle under 400 m
@kmcd10003 жыл бұрын
You have a nice collection. I'd love to see it some day.
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I might do a video on it one day but I don't like feeling like I'm showing off.
@m1911legend3 жыл бұрын
@@MilsurpWorld I think all of us woulr greatly appreciate having a look at your collection, you really have unique guns
@benewgillian68233 жыл бұрын
The Mas 36 has been used at some point by the Foreign Legion , even in their jungle training in French Guiana..
@borkwoof6963 жыл бұрын
The Remington 600 has a similar bolt handle
@blueman48563 жыл бұрын
Nice I love the other rifles in the back
@davidschaadt59293 жыл бұрын
I bought one in nice shape for $15.00 ,and used it on a trade fourty bucks. I do kind of miss it.
@davidschaadt59293 жыл бұрын
But no safety .
@davidschaadt59293 жыл бұрын
I still have my brother's Japanese type 99 rifle. That he bought for $7.00 at an auction at zerns farmers market around 1970. German helmets were $5-10.00 and some nice Japanese helmets went up and they couldn't even get$1.00 each for them .they didn't sell! !!. I'm 65 ,and I've been buying guns that I sold in the past and regretted .
@SkinnySuge693 жыл бұрын
Insane, I grew up in the wrong era
@davidschaadt59293 жыл бұрын
@@SkinnySuge69 yes that was in 1972.
@maverickpaladin41553 жыл бұрын
I'd love to have one...seems like a very handy rifle. The rear locking lugs are a direct result of the mud issue from the Great War. France more than any other nation took the lessons of the Great War to heart...likely too much so.
@SlavicCelery3 жыл бұрын
I see people say that all the time, but I've never seen a primary source stating it. I'd honestly presume that the primary function behind having a rear mounted set of lugs is probably cheaper manufacturing.
@maverickpaladin41553 жыл бұрын
@@SlavicCelery Primary source? Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons for one. I don't know what his source is but I trust that he has done his research since French arns are his niche.
@SlavicCelery3 жыл бұрын
@@maverickpaladin4155 I'm not saying he's wrong at all. Love his channel. But I've just never seen a primary source actually give that justification for rear lugs.
@maverickpaladin41553 жыл бұрын
@@SlavicCelery interesting. I'll see if he can supply his source.
@InTheDarknessWhereIDwell3 жыл бұрын
Ian McCollum is a French collector. He'd love the MAS.
@con6lex3 жыл бұрын
Ian has at least 2 videos on the MAS 36, plus a chapter in his book.
@bfgivmfith26 күн бұрын
You just sold me on the MAS 36! :)
@bfgivmfith26 күн бұрын
Being post Wart and Parkerized which looks good, how was the bore on that one or any you have acquired?
@dylanwight57642 жыл бұрын
Calling it mediocre in the usual sense is unfair. However, except for the lack of a manual safety, the rifle represents a high standard that all other bolt guns should strive to exceed. In that way, it is what the average bolt gun of its time _should_ have been. The MAS 36 is a combat rifle, not a target rifle. It was designed to meet the needs of the ordinary rifleman and as such the lack of fiddly features like a windage adjustable rear sight are entirely reasonable. Eugene Stoner would later apply the same logic to the rear sight of the early M16.
@thebotrchap Жыл бұрын
Thank you for steering clear of the tropes and also the BotR mention 😊
@danschneider99213 жыл бұрын
Anytime you look at something 85 years and 2k miles from your home of course you'll find "problems" with it.
@wingrider1004 Жыл бұрын
I have one...excellent condition. Nice looking rifle.
@chew2elah3 жыл бұрын
I have one of these that someone fired in a chamber sleeve to chamber 7.62x39. Therefore turning it into a single shot.
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
That's interesting.
@chew2elah3 жыл бұрын
Milsurp World been trying to figure out how to remove it and had a local gunsmith look at it. He said he couldn’t remove it but I think he just didn’t want to try really.
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
@@chew2elah Sounds like it. At least it's cheap to shoot.
@bobmurph91363 жыл бұрын
www.sdsguns.com/products/rifles-wiselite-312-1cbd2d68-66f8-47c1-b2dc-2aca99e642c8 A different approach Just didn't care for the pistol scope
@chew2elah3 жыл бұрын
Bob Murph definitely a different approach. Not sure what I think of that. Haha
@markpander45242 жыл бұрын
It is heavy
@guillaumeferment74453 жыл бұрын
France : what shall we do with these crap bolt guns? USA : Let us flood our market with your crap. USA : God they re crap in 308w, France do you want them back? France: Yes sure, send them in! That's how in France we ended up struggling to find our French Mas in original caliber.
@radjiledessinateur61553 жыл бұрын
perso je kiff en 308
@wingrider1004 Жыл бұрын
No sight adjustment really. You have to replace the entire piece. This was done on purpose so that the soldiers would not have to worry about it in the field. The trainers would replace the piece as the soldiers shot their rifles if needed. That is what I have heard.
@MilsurpWorld Жыл бұрын
People say that, but if the French liked that sight system they wouldn't have replaced it later on with the MAS 49.
@tvnshack3 жыл бұрын
NOT meant to be taken apart! Screw heads are designed to NOT have the average soldier take it apart. No need!
@desertpiggiehunters97903 жыл бұрын
I really want one of those lol
@borkwoof6963 жыл бұрын
Excellent rifle
@manjitsoni96763 жыл бұрын
ਸ਼ਾਨਦਾਰ ਰਾਈਫਲ ਹੈ ਵੀਰੇ
@4element3 Жыл бұрын
I think mine is post war.
@tengu1903 жыл бұрын
SSG69 is rear locking lugs.
@TommygunNG3 жыл бұрын
Nice doggy. My cat would love chasing him.
@chesseastuces96843 жыл бұрын
you only seem to ride for Mauser with your beautiful Tshirt. Mas 36 then has no chance. But hey, I'm not a specialist like you. For the history of the cylinder head bolts, they were moved to the front on the FR-F1 ..... But I'm not a specialist
@goaticalahmet42633 жыл бұрын
Dude why are you killin me 😂😂😂 Bayonet video plz That bolt is not smooth at all it looks like the one on the garbage rod
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ahmet42selim653 жыл бұрын
@@MilsurpWorld 😂😂😂just plz
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
@@ahmet42selim65 Its on my list of videos. Just other stuff comes up.
@ahmet42selim653 жыл бұрын
@@MilsurpWorld amazing news🖤❤🖤❤🖤❤
@ricefarmerryan79953 жыл бұрын
Such a beautiful gun that has sadly skyrocketed in price throughout the years, id much rather get a lot of those imported than all the carcanos that are getting imported
@MilsurpWorld3 жыл бұрын
I think some were imported recently from Ethiopia.
@johnkelinske14493 жыл бұрын
I remember back when you couldn't give them away.
@0bzen223 жыл бұрын
It's a simple rifle for simple soldiers.
@WasatchGarandMan3 жыл бұрын
I have two MAS-36's, both are post war built and were refurbished before they came into the US. I agree with you, it easily is the best, mediocre rifle out there. I always think they are Ruger American rifles in a Military Halloween costume. I got both of mine for stupid cheap so I actually like them quite a bit. Not a fan of that stupid big front sight, makes for very imprecise shots. I'd like to get a Pre-War example and a sporter that I could restore and maybe rechamber in .308. That'd be pretty neat
@brianwilhelm377 ай бұрын
The rifle is fine. It's the video content that's mediocre. Learn some History bud. The design was vindicated by decades of use.
@MilsurpWorld7 ай бұрын
You sound like someone that only reads the title and judges.
@brianwilhelm377 ай бұрын
No, I watched as much of it as I could get through. It's just too amateurish. "A funky feeling gun". Yeah.......it's not a GUN, it's a rifle. With all of those firearms hanging on the wall behind you, one would think you'd know the difference. That term is laced throughout your entire dialog to the point of distraction and it makes the informed viewer question your entire knowledge of the subject. I get the feeling that you're an accumulator, not a true collector seeking to widen the knowledge base of the hobby. As I said, it's the content that's mediocre, not the rifle. I guess it's good enough for the kiddies who like to play first person shoot 'em up video games, but there is nothing here of value to someone who is truly trying to widen their knowledge of the subject.