The new sprite was not made by Pele Mele. He's found bigger opportunities elsewhere, and we're very happy for him, but for the same reason I took it into my hands to make the new sprite myself. Never done this before. Consider supporting me on Patreon so I can improve, and make more! (Link in the description.)

I audibly chuckled in public transport at "bro just invented god"

Babe wake up, it is time to reconsider an aspect of existence you were taking for granted again.

On the alcoholism argument: My dad used to smoke when he was alive. He knew how awful it was as my grandmother also smoked and died from cancer as a result. My mom tried to make him quit. Instead, he hid it from her. Love for my mom didn’t necessarily make him better or bring out the best in him. It just made things better *for my mom.* However, what *did* bring out the best in him was love for my brother and I. More specifically, I basically bullied him into quitting by being a child who hated the smell and came home with D.A.R.E pamphlets saying “See? See? It’s bad for you.” The point I’m trying to make is that love (of any kind) *can* bring out the best in people, but do not expect it to. Do not cling onto the hope it will and only believe love helps someone when you see it do so (when you see results). My dad died due to unrelated causes years later. He died addicted to vaping, which was his way of quitting smoking. My dad quit smoking for my brother and I. So that he could be alive for us. He bettered himself out of love, but he also could’ve done it earlier for my mom.

FC finally completed his metamorphosis to a French to a Frenchette. I’m so proud of her.

The person played by the detective was surprisingly respectful and articulate. Would love to see more of him.

"Your parents aren't in love with you." - "Your parents are cousins." Your honor, we witnessed a murder in the courtroom today, where are the bailiffs?!

I think the reason people will say things like “If he hits you, he doesn’t love you, so leave him” is because almost everyone has the belief that love makes people better. A lot of victims will stay out of the misguided belief that they can “fix” their abusive spouse with the power of love. By contradicting the idea that their abuser loves them, it’s a way to convince them to leave or even inspire the correct feeling of rage in response to their mistreatment. However, even though I understand the logic behind the statement, I think your approach of “his feelings be damned, leave if he hits you no matter what” is much better, since, as you pointed out, even abusers can and often do express affection. As far as I’m concerned, if someone hits you or otherwise treats you like shit, their feelings are no longer important and should not factor into any decision you make going forward.

I think much of this argument would be dependent on how you define the two words. After all, love is the capital of semantics

I really liked this trio. Venti kept making logical holes, but understandably so, as "love" is complicated. Her view of "love" was intriguing, but I don't think she actually could have given it, since she kept contradicting herself for the sake of the argument. Sauvage was respectful, and gave good insight to his point of view without being overly rude, which is surprisingly rare. Actually, I liked that he argued against both of you two, without fully disagreeing with either of you two. The way all three of you bounced was just really fun, especially at the end, like Venti was so done, and Sauvage noted what you said.

"Pride is not the opposite of shame, but it's source."

I was just wondering why there hadn't been a new video in a while. Turns out FC was busy transitionning.

People knows love has no rules, then they lecture others about what true love is like.

Maybe the real love were the friends we made along the way

In my sexuality textbook I read for a class, there is actually a chapter on love, and a part of that chapter includes “Sternberg’s Triangular Theory of Love”. It basically details the 3 components of love (passion: quick and strong physical/sexual attraction, intimacy: emotional connection and deep understanding of another, and commitment: the decision to maintain a relationship with someone.) It also details the relationship types that have combinations of these aspects. Love that includes only passion is called “Infatuation”. So I’d say that infatuation is not necessarily “not love” but more an incomplete or short-sighted type of love. It is still a type of love, but still lacks some major components, and may not last long.

"I fucking hate love" -Baguette the Hedgehog, 2024.

Toxic people are toxic to the people they love. Like once my mom says I cant play video games because theyll make me violent then she beat me up.

I haven't been back in a while, y'all are still as beautifully poetic and chaotic as ever.

I will admit I have never understood poly relationships I have thought about it a bunch and I just can't wrap my head around the feeling but I'm not going to say that their feelings are invalid or wrong. My sister thinks snakes are cute which I also don't understand but I'm not gonna say that her feelings are wrong. It's ultimately just another thing you have to talk about when you get into a relationship with someone.

That "adriana" person makes it sound like love is a conscious and logical choice on a person's part, when emotions are anything BUT that. You don't "choose" to fall in love with a person or more, it just happens. You happen to find different things about different that you like about them, and over time liking that person may develop into "I want to be with them"

Ngl I am of the same opinion as Faux Cares here, this debate was honestly very enjoyable to watch as it brought a lot of points that were thoughtful and interesting. I just really liked it

29:08 lmfao, truly a hopeless romantic

If this was on any Discord I've been part of, I feel like it'd just lead to people singing What is Love.

I honestly get FC falling in love after managing to change someone's mind at the end, that shit is so rare due to how dogmatic opinions are that it must have felt like true glory

Bro wakes up from 4 months of slumber only to dunk on love...again. Amazing!

After a long argument with someone there's always that question of wether you successfully convinced someone or you just lost hours arguing at a wall I mean this is not 100% a win, but bringing new perspectives to the table that people actually keep in mind is very comforting

I like that you added Korra's hair style to Franziska, and i might say, that you did a very good job with modeling, i would like to see how you would draw others in your style

When the hell did the Frenchman embrace his inner Frenchwoman?

The new people had their sprites chosen PERFECTLY. Specially Gregory Edgeworth. Though Adriana Venti being Calisto Yew is funny, because I think she's the person with the most LOLs and LMAOs I've ever seen.

On another note the character design for FC is great! I love the little French flag earing

FC is the only person i've ever seen arguing semantics and still able to progress the conversation

Y'know, one thing I'd have liked to see talked about is one-sided love. Just because you love someone doesn't mean that they'll love you back, and that brings a very good question, do you give up, in that scenario, or do you persist? Was it not true love if you just move on with your life, or was it not true love if the other person doesn't return it? You're certainly not owed the other person's love, so what is one to do? Some may say it's infatuation, but what if you've spent so much time with that person they see you as a sibling due to how well they know you? Where there's no question that you know each other as well as can be known? There's so much more that can be discussed here, and this entire branch of the argument is just left untouched in its entirety.

Bro just invented God.

Definitely agree on the capital of semantics. Love is a complex subject, and reducing it to a single concept, I think, will not be able to completely capture the entirety of love. You're gonna need at least a few sentences or a paragraph, or even more

Sauvage seems like a chill guy

A feat as difficult as landing on Mars, making people actually agree with FC

Maître Sauvage: I agree with you. Faux Cares: Wait, is that legal ?

Come back after a while to see FC embrace his inner -Widowmaker- Von Karma W timeline

Blame the lies, the deceit, the intent and the actions. Never blame the emotion, even if ones moral compass is twisted.

16:21 Oh no it's the Volkeh music....

Oh dang, I wasn’t aware FC returned! It’s always so pleasant to come back and just watch the chaos unfold. Glad you’re back.

I feel the main problem is that people think of "True Love" as a separate feeling, rather than a combination of platonic love and lust. Love is when you genuinely care about the well-being of someone or something (A family member, a friend, a leader, a dream, etc.). It is created through reason and not exclusively for relationships with attraction. Lust is a natural feeling where you obsess over someone. It is triggered through feelings and purely manifests in relationships with attraction. "True love" is made when people reason that the best way to deal with their obsession over someone (while keeping the benefits) is to learn to genuinely care for them. In other words, loving someone is the socially acceptable way to deal with lust. This is probably why people have so many conflicting opinions on what is or isn't morally correct when it comes to lust, since you could come up with logical arguments to defend most opinions. Lust is simply unstable by nature. My Christian side wants the solution to all this to just be what I've been taught, but what the solution actually is, I can't (and probably shouldn't) say for certain. I just wanted to give my two cents.

If you can hate someone for bad/incorrect reasons, you can love someone for bad/incorrect reasons. Emotions can even be totally arbitrary. It's 99% of the reason bigotry exists. Both negative bigotry & positive bigotry like respecting someone just because they're a certain race/gender/sexuality/whatever. Like you can argue all day about why someone shouldn't hate women for the pandering committed by a male writer but they still will. They're wrong to hate someone for such a ridiculous reason but the hatred is still real. Similarly, a lot of abuse victims love their abusers & it's a misguided dangerous unearned love but it's still love. It's why someone can testify against their own kid in a murder case but still cry when said kid goes to prison as planned. Attachments are often easily made but much harder to break. I also agree that it's possible for love to exist without concern for the other's well being. There's a psychological term called "dark empath", which refers to people who feel empathy but will torment innocent people anyway because they understand how they make you feel & enjoy making you feel that way. Their behavior can be very similar to a narcissist but they have a better understanding of what they're doing to you & how to keep doing it. I think the idea that love can't exist without good intent is largely based on the false assumption that every evil person is a sociopath, a psychopath, or a person with anger issues caused by a tragic past. There are people who build up a relationship with someone they have a special bond with & then torment that person just because they think that person's suffering is beautiful, cute, attractive, or otherwise charming. It's deranged but reality often is deranged when it comes to emotions. People need to understand that a person who loves them & can't live without them can still be a remorseless danger to them. They may fall apart if you leave but that doesn't mean they'll improve if you stay.

20:20 that's....oddly sweet. VERY oddly

big "i can fix him" energy there

Sound track for those who are interested: 01) 00:11 - 00:53; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Courtroom Lobby 02) 01:12 - 02:08; Phoenix Wright: Justice for All, Recollection ~ Scars Etched by Flame 03) 02:30 - 02:53; Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations, Furio Tigre 04) 03:07 - 03:31; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Cross-Examination ~ Moderato 05) 03:49 - 05:26; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Pursuit 06) 05:37 - 06:42; Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Perceive 07) 06:53 - 08:00; Ace Attorney Investigations, Confrontation ~ Moderato 08) 08:12 - 09:11; Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations, Questioning ~ Moderato 09) 09:13 - 10:46; Ace Attorney Investigations 2, Confrontation ~ Presto 10) 10:57 - 14:04; Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Apollo Justice ~ A New Trial is in Session! 11) 14:05 - 14:43; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Pursuit ~ Cornered - Variation 12) 15:24 - 16:13; Ace Attorney Investigations 2, Pursuit 13) 16:22 - 17:39; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Luke Atmey (also known as Volkeh's theme!) 14) 17:52 - 18:42; Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Drew Studio 15) 19:11 - 20:31; Ace Attorney Investigations, Shi-Long Lang 16) 21:20 - 22:22; Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Recollection ~ A Fate Smeared by Tricks and Gadgets 17) 22:29 - 24:05; Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Investigation ~ Core 18) 24:24 - 25:02; Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Perceive (huh, this again...) 19) 25:13 - 25:48; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, The Steel Samurai 20) 26:31 - 28:40; Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Kitaki Family

The "objection" had a french accent. That's interesting. Or is that an actual voice clip in Ace Attorney

BABE WAKE UP. FC DROPPED ANOTHER VIDEO.

I do miss the use of Phoenix Wright for the frenchy, only because bowl being Edgeworth made the rivalry so much more iconic.

Love is simply an emotion, and like all emotions there is nothing inherently good or bad about it. Like all emotions it is simply a reflection of the person experiencing it. Even if we define it as wanting what's best for someone else, that looks very different depending on what you consider as being "best" for them. Wanting to be better for someone changes drastically depending on what you consider "better" to be. Love can bring out the best in people, by only by their own metric of best. If a person's metrics are harmful, their love will be harmful, if a person's metrics are helpful, their love will be helpful.

Glad to see you’re back, missed your content a lot! :D

Something I'd add is that love and sex are not mutually inclusive: you can fuck without love, and you can love without fucking! And we all love multiple people all the time - our families, our friends, the people we look up to...

Love has always been such a strange concept to me. I don't even know what it is, or if i've ever felt it before, because the way people describe it is so overly sentimental and pretentious that it loses all meaning to someone not already "in the know". Maybe i've never felt it, being the only single loser among my friend group who all have had several long relationships, maybe i felt it and suppressed the emotion due to insecurities. I know this wasn't the topic of the video, but i kinda hoped that a more in-depth discussion of love would shed a bit more light on the whole thing. Not surprised it hasn't happened though. So either i am way overthinking the emotion, and have loved like a quarter of the people i've met in my life, or i really am just an aroace husk of a person that was doomed from the start because of corrupted brain software

I love this channel. As someone who really loves debate, It's so fun to sit down with a snack or something and just watch interesting conversations, thoughts and jokes.

Wowzers, it's been a while. You did a great job with the new sprite, i'll enjoy this a lot

As an Aromantic Asexual, this topic has always fascinated me. I've always personally believed (besides my lack of interest in relationships) that the responsibility is just too high. We've created this cultural normalization of finding someone to spend an entire lifetime with, and that just seems incredibly complicated, challenging, and dangerous. Like, I used to think people were friends with individuals for a while, got to know them thoroughly, and that blossomed into a lover's relationship, but I've found that's a lot more uncommon than I originally believed. It seems that the person someone agrees to spend a lifetime of sharing responsibilities and learning to live with is picked based only on the fun, positive qualities your perception of that person is. Plus any specific attractions or advantages you'd think being in a relationship with that person would involve. I honestly think there should be less stigmatizations between relationships. I feel like the line between friend and lover is much too large of a gap. It's either a person you know somewhat surface-level and experience fun times with, or a person you spend your entire life sharing practically everything with. I don't think love is period good or bad, I just think that the way we've created it culturally makes it so we aren't "practiced" and that we make that commitment too soon. But eh. This is all rambling from someone who doesn't intend to have anything more than a platonic relationship with anyone ever, so my opinion is probably weaker than others. Either way, great to have you back, FBI!

Really good to see you back mate, hope that pause you took was by all means good, and that new sprite is great, and surprisingly enough I binged myself some of your videos today, so I guess that was a kind of lucky accident. Also, completely out of topic but any opinions on the recent announcement of AAI Collection?

Is this franziska's french voice ? That's clever

wow the first discussion where I find myself mostly disagreeing with Faux Cares atleast on the premise of argument. You were good faith about it; but I agree with the person represented by Gregory.

Poor Adriana having to wipe all that lipstick off of their cheek over and over again, they should be more careful while applying their makeup.

I really enjoyed this video and learned a lot about the idea of love. Also I genuinely hope that Critical can come to a healthy solution to his problem. I'd hate for it all to end in tragedy for the guy as well.

"I may find love dreadful but, I can't resist a good romance"

Oh that's great to see you again, lad! The video as always funny and informative, and I hooe you're doing well. I am convinced to joined the Discord sercer now

2:22 How the hell you going to shoot down having an open relationship(And I assuming poly as well) and say you love both equally and you built different.

Man I loved Franziska Von Korra, speaking about the video the unrequited love part hit hard, I spent like 8 years with an unrequited love, but well at least I got an engineering degree during those years and I don't know if I could have done it without that girl

WELCOME BACK!!!!!!

I think the fact that there exists music like "I Want to Know What Love Is", "What is Love?", and "What's Love Got to Do With It" shows straight away that love isn't this easily understandable, simple thing (and yes, I only used those examples because I've been listening to them)

There has to be no greater "moment before disaster" than to tell FC they are overcomplicating something.

“Love brings out the best in people, you wouldn’t hurt someone you love” !! Spoilers for Moral Orel below !! This makes me think of Moral Orel, for a very specific reason. In Season 3, Episode 8, Passing, Clay Puppington (the Antagonist and the Protagonist’s father) is reflecting on his childhood as he presents a family heirloom (a gun) to his son, Orel (the Protagonist), for a hunting trip that they plan to do. In this episode, we find out the childhood of Clay Puppington and why he brings Orel on a camping trip, for the reason he never got to do it himself. But in the episode, we also find out why Clay spanks Orel. In his childhood, Clay’s mother had gone through several miscarriages before having Clay (all of which happened by abuse of drugs and alcohol), treating Clay like an angel. But when she told young Clay this, being the spoiled brat that he was, he was upset that he wasn’t the first child that his Mother had conceived. This resulted in a KZfaqr-Like prank (he pretended to be dead) which when he revealed was a prank, his Mother had a heart attack (Edit: I forgot to mention but she had heart problems prior to the prank) because of everything and died. After his mother’s death, his father (who didn’t think of him so highly in the first place, since Clay’s mother always put her attention on Clay and never on him after his birth) was about to slap Clay across the face, but stopped himself, saying, “You’re not even worth it”. This line implanted a disordered view on love and worth, basically believing that getting hurt by someone, means that they love you, and vice versa. This belief resulted in Clay Puppington hurting others as a way of showing his love to them and telling them he thinks is worthy. This is the main reason as to why Clay Puppington hits Orel in almost every episode they are together. This stops in Episode 12 of the same season, Nesting, in which after getting eggs outlawed (Edit: By Clay after being convinced by Orel and a grotesque fever dream like sexual fantasy about eggs) (and after the camping trip which resulted in Orel permanently limping for the rest of his life after getting shot by his father in a very drunken state), the Librarian, Miss Censordoll, tries to run for Mayor of Moralton (the place they live in) (Edit: Miss Censordoll actually likes eggs- Orel wanted them gone when he found out they were birthed by chickens- and used the leverage of Clay outlawing eggs as a means to get him out of office and her into office). Since Clay Puppington was the Mayor, he was extremely upset by this, even more so after he learned Orel was helping her. Because of this and the camping trip, when he told Orel to meet him in his office (where Orel gets disciplined), he doesn’t spank Orel, because he betrayed him and doesn’t view him worthy of his love anymore (Edit: Also because he was losing control of Orel, which made him even more mad at Orel). This is really significant too, since he doesn’t beat his other son, Shapey, because he believes that he isn’t his son and his wife had an affair (which she totally did), and he doesn’t beat his wife either, since they only married because Bloberta (Clay’s wife, Orel’s mom) just wanted to get married out of jealousy that she wasn’t getting married while everyone else was, and Clay never loved her in the first place, only marrying when she convinced him to. His other lover, Coach Stopframe (who Bloberta definitely cheated on Clay with), doesn’t get physically hurt by him but they are in a perpetual state of hook ups and they break up at the series finale anyway so… My main point is that the idea of not hurting someone because you love them is optimistic thinking yet wrong. Sometimes, people grow up around abuse thinking that is what love is like. Sometimes, people were told at a young age being hit means the person loves them and believed them. Sometimes, people think being hit is a sign of worth and respect. Sometimes, people abuse is equivalent to love.

He has found a way to mix shadow the hedgehog and von karma. I "Love" your new sprite FC 😂.

I got an ad THE INSTANT Troglo got on screen. That fricking jumpscared me.

Not to mention we may hurt each other in our pursuit to better off ourselves for love's sake! Someone who carries all the work by themselves may make their significant other(s) feel useless; someone who decides to take therapy, go to the gym, and work more, may spend less in their relationship, hence nurture it less. Love is appreciation, but relationships are an agreement - there's no absolute "good", there's only what works for the participants!

Okay, but for real, though Maître sauvage is actually such a lovely person. I am feeling some parasocial, unrequited love for that human being, holy. They are just so damn cool, I admire MS a lot I think I want to be more like them and less like FC lmao

FC's whole argument basically falls on the fact that love, just like any emotion, is inherently irrational. All emotions are vestigial states that helped our ancestors survive by basically "taking over" their consciousness to flee from danger/pursue situations in which they would survive better. As we evolved, we learned rationality, but we forget that the human experience is partly outside of the scopes of rationality. Hence, love isn't inherently virtuous because virtues only exist in the scope of rationality

Love that we're back at it again. Also love the new sprite FC!

Adriana forgets the very obvious flaw in her argument that you cannot love more than one person: polyamory. The concept lives and dies by the idea that love for multiple people is possible. Even if you refute the idea that romantic love can be felt for more than one, you make a silly distinction between romantic love and every other type of love: platonic, familial, etc. Just as you love your mother and father, you can love two people at once. This doesn't necessarily mean this is a good idea, just that it is possible. Critical O isn't lying to himself. EDIT: within a minute of typing this out, Sauvage brings up this exact point. My mistake lol

One of the most hilarious parts of this debate is that some people genuinely think "true" love exists. There's no true love, only one relationship you chose to stick around with and it worked out. You could have dropped it and had another relationship and it could have been true love too. You still love most of your ex-partners regardless of if you dumped them or not. You can love multiple people, and you can love them at the same time too. Also if this comes up in the video, i'm an idiot. Edit: It did come up with the "beat the disney out of you" line, sort of???

True Love: "I found you, faker!" Infatuation: "Faker? I think you're the fake love around here. You're comparing yourself to me...ha! You're not even good enough to be my fake." True Love: "I'll make you eat those words!"

Yay, our favourite Frenchie is back

Man, I am surprised to see a new video after so long, but I'm not gonna complain anymore. Good work.

This came at a perfect time. I broke up w my gf of 2 years a few months back and have been giving a lot of thought to and processing my emotions. Thanks french person.

I can't believe you created God, FC. That's crazy... In all seriousness, it's nice to see another one of these, I love the new sprite too! What was your inspirations if I may ask? Oh, and I hope Critical is doing okay. Poor guy must be sweating having to literally choose between pressing one of two buttons.... as far as I understand it anyways. Wonderful work, regardless!! EDIT: THE FUCKING "THERE IS EGO IN LEGO" BIT KILLED ME LMFAO

Artstyle of Adriana is absolutely on point ngl

I like that new Maître Sauvage guy. He seems cool-headed and reasonable.

i am Steve

Man been a while since I watched one of your vids, was reminded why I like them! Props to the sprite, really like it. Whatever may have happened or will with Critical O. I hope he got his thoughts in order, I agree a lot with your ideas and whilst definitely difficult to put into reason to the other two, I'm glad they saw through it. This is definitely a subject that should be brought more to attention since the stereotypical love really makes so many people make god awful decisions. In any case I hope you're doing well and have a nice day/evening/night.

6:25 That's where the different type of love come into play, for example, I could hypothetically say I love all of you, the F.B.I, the people reading this, even the people not reading this, however this isn't a romantic love. This is a kind of love that is a general care for all of you, infact this kind of love is usually described as simple human compassion. I know jack diddly about 99.999 repeating of the people who I just said I love, however if I hear about a tragedy to one of those people I'd in this case, feel bad.

Well, I found this very good! Both very thoughtful and entertaining at the same time! Thank you for this. I wish and hope that you derive at least as much pleasure and satisfaction from doing all this (both participating in the discussion, and then editing a video out of it) as I do from watchinn and reading it!

So you return with a new video, and it's arguably one of your best works. What a comeback! I *love* this video!

This was very intersesting and well articulated. You two are very impressive ! ❤

Took me five minutes to realise you're the girl, but she 'sounded' familiar 😅

Nice to see you back! I think this is one of my favorite debates you've done because of how the three of you bounce off of each other. Love the new sprite, by the way, you did a great job on it.

Nice vid, it was nice to read! I was wonderin where you've been. The artwork you did for the sprite is great! I really like the little details like the markings under the eyes and the french earring, the outfit is pretty unique as well. The primary colors used here also look great! I'll note though that a lighter black probably should be used for the hair as pure #000000 black for shading usually doesn't look that nice, tends to be better for stuff like lineart. The sprite is still very pretty and dynamic tho!

Dude! You returned! This is great! I hope you're good.

love to see more absolutely insane argument topics🔥🔥🔥

as someone who's never been in love, i feel both cursed and blessed at varying degrees depending on the day

Finally got to watch this. You managed to describe the core idea of my insecurity about falling in love. I don’t think I could tell whether I‘m in love or infatuated; especially since sometimes I‘ve thought I’ve been in love but later, after seeing a different person under their mask, I‘ve realised I was infatuated, but couldn’t tell. I guess it‘s hard to be rational when you’re wearing rose tinted glasses.

Glad you came back FC. Big fan of yours. Love your witty yet precise writting style, as well as the thoughtful and transformative debates your videos bring to the table. Keep it up!!!!!!!

We're so back

Glad to see you're back :) I really like the new sprites.