From AI alignment to AGI ethics. Joscha Bach talk at The University of Tokyo. 8th July 2024

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Ken Mogi Brain World

24 күн бұрын

This was a superb talk!

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@snurrebassen
@snurrebassen 22 күн бұрын
big thanks for the upload 👍
@loopuleasa
@loopuleasa 21 күн бұрын
19:00 the topic on sound vs heat is mindblowing
@mriz
@mriz 21 күн бұрын
Thx for upload it to yt ❤❤
@gonzalezfreak
@gonzalezfreak 22 күн бұрын
thank you for uploading 😊
@edenaut
@edenaut 22 күн бұрын
when a video with joscha drops o.O :)
@drmedwuast
@drmedwuast 22 күн бұрын
phantastic, especially the first 45 minutes
@PhilosopherScholar
@PhilosopherScholar 11 күн бұрын
He's had a lot of fun generating images from AI :P
@morkovija
@morkovija 5 күн бұрын
Man, wish the audio was better :/
@atrocitasinterfector
@atrocitasinterfector 22 күн бұрын
lets gooo
@PhilosopherScholar
@PhilosopherScholar 11 күн бұрын
58:25 The AGI Parenting styles is ridiculous! Lmao
@AliceRabbit-xf1ut
@AliceRabbit-xf1ut 14 күн бұрын
Could spirituality help you understand yourself so you can break out of the loop in the mind to create independent agency? What is causing someone to want to intuitively break a loop that has been previously programmed to be part of a hive and not have independent agency? Is it just another programming that was activated because of environmental factors, or is it just a random mutation? I loved Spirited Away by Mr. Miyazaki ❤ Thank you 🙏
@TheRadischen
@TheRadischen 5 күн бұрын
Hallucinogenics will break loops
@user-gd4ln4uk8e
@user-gd4ln4uk8e 22 күн бұрын
your hair is wild
@anywallsocket
@anywallsocket 21 күн бұрын
I don’t like how he’s decided to define consciousness, because it applies to trees and the like as he says, which is clearly different from the kind of experience we have, which we would like to understand specifically. It only muddles the discussion and makes people argue semantics rather than the deeper questions.
@dannywest8843
@dannywest8843 20 күн бұрын
i feel your point argues semantics instead of deeper questions
@anywallsocket
@anywallsocket 20 күн бұрын
@@dannywest8843 you have to be precise about your terms before you can ask the deeper questions. The ‘thing that we and trees share’ is not nearly precise enough.
@dannywest8843
@dannywest8843 19 күн бұрын
@@anywallsocket for a formal world-changing paradigm shift peer reviewed paper or a 60 minute talk for 15 students?
@anywallsocket
@anywallsocket 19 күн бұрын
@@dannywest8843 both
@teemukupiainen3684
@teemukupiainen3684 11 күн бұрын
Deeper stuff? Please, tell me what would be deeper stuff, I cannot figure out what would be deeper than consciousness of everything we can imagine, explanations why religions, even God or gods exist...
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 22 күн бұрын
Could we ever have supply chains that supports the type of material sciences & technology to build a replica of the human species as we know it? This is very unlikely due to the horizon paradoxes in evolutionary mythology and how we have to incrementally metaphysically build up our frame of reference how we see fit. It would not meet the needs and demands of optimization of the existing human species as we know it. You can definitely destroy the flesh and pervert it with lots of miss guided short cuts. You could destroy the mind dope perception like matrix and tell the cogs in the wheel you did when really a meglamanic didn't. We can get close to answers but it will always be short of understanding how "love" can be devided in/individual idealistic objects legibility & readability of love encoded in subjective space between and in a physical environment . We can scrape the surface with an umbrella of statistical anylitics.
@philippm2408
@philippm2408 19 күн бұрын
I don't get how you can define consciousness, which is in itself a wishy washy concept that doesn't have a clear operational definition, in terms of other wishy washy concepts like coherence etc. I suspect our concept of consciousness is an artefact of how we construct concepts with our limited understanding of neuroscience, just like people used to believe in a supernatural being named zeus that was responsible for making the weather. Imo the only way to really understand the rough and opaque 'consciousness' symbol is through hard neuroscientific research.
@Subject18
@Subject18 15 күн бұрын
He formalises coherence as the minimisation of constraint violations, actually there was another very recent talk with him on the protocol labs KZfaq channel where he goes more in depth into consciousness
@dajudge6581
@dajudge6581 13 күн бұрын
audio is appalling
@intos6511
@intos6511 13 күн бұрын
He still underestimates Christianities insights into these matters. Its goal precisely is liberating peoples conscious observer from their self-world-model and emotions, raising them into "heaven". Therefore the son (of the mind/generator function), the self, has to die, to be born again on a "higher sphere". The god he talks about only is the childrens version, installed by Christian Elders into the next generation as the latest seed ontology, which they are supposed to eventually grow out of and see it for what it is as they go through a successful initiation ritual or an other death-rebirth-process (involving some version of hell, if they got into some kind of trap of emotions, ego or the like...). But the god of mature Christians is a very different one, he is the eternal ground of the universe (and mind), that from which all patterns emerge (and from which you are NOT supposed to make an image (model) of, since you will never be able to grasp it). And what those Christians do is trying to read and understand "gods ways" and "gods will", the deepest dynamics of the universe, which mostly is something like what in science is called "complex systems dynamics". And this is what they then repackage in a way that the children (young and adult ones) can grasp at whatever stage of development they are in. But yes, many never get out of the "child stage", and many get lost in the rational stage, so they still cling to such an image of god... If you talk to a Christian you always need to be aware what developmental level he is on. And the priests not necessarily always are the highest developed ones, and it depends on the regional and local sects too, but this knowledge is still there, and always will be there with more mature Christians, since it is encoded in the stories, and the truths they contain get reexperienced and rediscovered again and again, from generation to generation, and augmented by new insights.
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