From Freeze-Out to Dream Team: Unraveling the Jordan-Thomas NBA Feud

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3 ай бұрын

🏀 Dive into one of basketball's most intriguing controversies in 'The 1985 All-Star Freeze-Out: Jordan vs. Thomas & The Dream Team Controversy.' This video explores the legendary incident at the 1985 NBA All-Star Game where Michael Jordan, a rising star, was allegedly 'frozen out' by established players like Isiah Thomas, George Gervin, and even his friend from the West, Magic Johnson. Discover how this event not only sparked a fierce rivalry but also influenced Jordan's decision years later in the selection of the 1992 Olympic Dream Team.
🌟 This is a detailed analysis of the game, the behind-the-scenes dynamics, and the lasting impact on both Jordan and Thomas's careers. Was it a mere rookie initiation or a calculated snub? How did this event shape the landscape of 1980s NBA basketball? And, most importantly, what led to Thomas's exclusion from the Dream Team, despite his remarkable skills and achievements?
🎥 Using exclusive interviews, game footage, and expert commentary to unravel this complex story, offering new insights into one of the greatest sports rivalries of all time. Whether you're a die-hard basketball fan or just love a good sports drama, this video is a must-watch!
👍 Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more deep dives into basketball history. Comment below with your thoughts on the 1985 All-Star Game - was Jordan really frozen out? Could the rivalry have been handled differently?
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@donaldmccaskill1279 3 ай бұрын

Two things that are very apparent that explains Isiah' s disdain for the goat: when his college coach the legendary Bobby Knight says that he's the best basketball player he's ever seen must of killed Isiah on the inside and for years when MJ became the king of his hometown team simply pushed Isiah over the edge, explains it all.

@mr.anderson2125 3 ай бұрын

I swear I keep pausing it on Isaiah’s eyes whenever he looks at or talks about Jordan and there’s so much jealousy in his eyes. The eyes never lie

@dogla81 3 ай бұрын

Lets pray for him😂

@eboooo 3 ай бұрын

They are the window to the soul. But Isiah has been very complimentary on Michael

@mr.anderson2125 3 ай бұрын

@@eboooo you’re right. He has been. But he’s one of those killers that come at you with a smile. Isaiah used his boyish charm to hide a lot of what he thought inside. He said himself that he was competitive as well, which you have to be. I see people all the time that say one thing with their mouths, but the eyes are saying something completely different

@offdablock6194 3 ай бұрын

I still remember When the pistons walked out after the bulls beat them and the game wasn’t even finished

@erfbgu2643 3 ай бұрын

@offdablock6194 Jordan said in the news that the Pistons were undeserving champions. That's a very important detail that needs to be included when this "Pistons not shaking hands" incident is brought up.

@josiahthibodeaux 3 ай бұрын

Stockton voices overs are legendary. Love his commentary.

@big-l5771 3 ай бұрын

Ishsa was jealous knowing jordan was the new sheriff on the East Coast.

@DeTAYL. 3 ай бұрын

I think it was the fact that MJ was getting so much love and recognition in Chicago, Isiah’s hometown.

@duydo6924 3 ай бұрын

@@DeTAYL. Yes. Even his nephew was fanboying over MJ. That had to get on his nerves🤣

@LaidBack-- 3 ай бұрын

This is really what it was. @@DeTAYL.

@erfbgu2643 3 ай бұрын

There was no freeze out. On KZfaq there is a video showing how many times Isiah passed Jordan the ball (7 times)

@Blacklist324 3 ай бұрын

Exactly

@darrellbarnes2096 3 ай бұрын

The way that Isiah still talks about Jordans ghost make me believe the freeze out

@acnicodemus4734 3 ай бұрын

"Go to the park" --- Isiah Thomas on Scottie Pippen

@DBone539 3 ай бұрын

It’s go to the bar, it’s a reference to Pippen being a drunk

@envyops 3 ай бұрын

The guy that broke the freeze-out story, Peter Vecsey, admitted the story was BS, something fabricated by Isiah's agent at the time, behind Isiah's back. Anybody that watches that game just sees Jordan having rookie jitters. He had a terrible game on both sides of the court. Gervin lit him up.

@Sergio-1899decano 3 ай бұрын

These videos are amazing... this is probable the best nba channel on youtube

@lestermcthrowry2436 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for lighting that fire Zeke.

@joncabotxox9389 3 ай бұрын

For Zeke to try and clown Scottie….. Scottie is one of the best players ever. He earned that right

@michaelallen8112 3 ай бұрын

Not at that time, Zeke President of NBAPA & he was 2x champ had more yrs on Pip .Scottie was younger & just won 2x NBA Champ & was rising Superstar.

@fitzroy6970 3 ай бұрын

Scottie was being punked by Detroit,he wasn’t no best player in the league,the pistons never feared pippen nobody did it was mj who the pistons feared it was mj who defended pippen when bill and them was punking pip so it’s understandable why Isaiah would be clowning pip,they all knew pip claim to fame was playing next to mj

@joncabotxox9389 3 ай бұрын

I was talking about the clip years later when Isaiah years later saying if MJ made it so Thomas was off the Olympics that was alright…. But Scottie, Scottie. Scottie OBVIOUSLY was the number 2 by far. But by the time the Olympics rolled around Scottie earned his right. You guys act like nobody knows that Pip was by far the number 2 option

@michaelberenato911 3 ай бұрын

Man that speech was cold asf. Talk about a total backfire. 💯 😂

@ceespinz 3 ай бұрын

This was well put together bro

@rockfresh5359 3 ай бұрын

Isiah thomas and mj on the all star team in 1990-91 was special them dudes couldnt be stopped together

@riseharris5204 3 ай бұрын

Of course #Mike got the last laugh! Nobody was going to stop #TheGOAT

@sethbullock4193 3 ай бұрын

He led in total points his rookie year. He did not lead the league in points per game.

@jespacey 3 ай бұрын

all I realized from all these hearing them from every angle for 3 decades is that my laker idol was a traitor and pretended to be mike's friend later when he became a megastar, I grew up thinking magic was a real nice dude, he's a fake like lebron, hating bird all these years not realizing bird was the only honest nba superstar that stayed away from these shenanigans

@sl11tenderhand 3 ай бұрын

The dude was probably younger than you are now when that took place. People make shitty decisions, especially when they are young and money and pride are involved.

@Rodanguirus 3 ай бұрын

The "freeze out" allegations are a joke. Jordan was a rookie (obviously still elite, but he had half a season under his belt) on a team with Dr. J, Bird, Moses, King, Isiah himself... The fact he wasn't the team's go-to guy shouldn't be some huge shock. He took 9 shots in total, which trailed the rest of the team, but not by some insane amount (reigning MVP Bird took 16, former MVPs Erving and Moses had 15 and 10). Like, he's really complaining about getting a few less looks than MVPs and NBA first-teamers? And of course, there's the fact he sank a whole 2 of those 9. Wow, I'm SO stunned they didn't keep feeding him the ball when Bird, Dr. J, and Isiah were options...

@erfbgu2643 3 ай бұрын

Right, Isiah gave him the ball 7 times. It's crazy that people will run with a falsehood to justify their disdain for a person

@joncabotxox9389 3 ай бұрын

Good video! 23 = GOAT FOREVER

@RobertSchuster68 3 ай бұрын

MJ was the Michael Jordan of all Michael Jordans❤

@mjwbulich 3 ай бұрын

Isiah didn't make it because he wasn't good enough in 1992. He wasn't an All-Star and he wasn't making All-NBA teams anymore. Bird and Magic were legacy picks. Laettner was the one college kid. The other nine guys were either first or second team All-NBA that year. They basically picked chalk. In fact if anyone should be upset about not being on the Dream Team it should be Mitch Richmond. He was the only guy that made first or second team ALL-NBA that season and didn't play in the Olympics.

@chrisdell5679 3 ай бұрын

Yep

@jasonreid1332 3 ай бұрын

How interesting Jordan wore his warmups for the dunk contest. I wonder if Larry Bird wore his warmups during the three point contest in support of Jordan?

@JayTheAdviceGuy 3 ай бұрын

So they say that Magic was involved in this too (despite being on the other team) yet he (Jordan) is great friends with Magic. Bird (who was ON the East All Star team when they supposedly froze MJ out) is also friends with Mike, and was NOT kept off the Dream Team. Yet Isiah Thomas, is the one that drew Mike's ire? Yeah, something's off about that.

@jonnykilroy9762 3 ай бұрын

Idk if they actually tried to freeze him out but I can be sure of one thing. MJ still took it that way. We've heard all the stories him taking any slight, big or small and keepin it in his back pocket and this was no different. Probably also explains why MJ didn't get along with Gervin when they became teammates for a short time that next year

@pheo1418 3 ай бұрын

What's the beef between Gervin and Jordan? I remember Gervin was washed up by the time he became a Bull.

@jonnykilroy9762 3 ай бұрын

@@pheo1418 idk if they had any actual beef. But I do remember Gerv sayin MJ wasn't really feelin him when he got there. Now hearing he might've had a role in this just kind of adds it up. Could be nothing tho

@michaelallen8112 3 ай бұрын

The media driven FreezeOut by Jordan's team aka David Falk. How u freeze out when u getting passed the ball🔎😆😆😆😆

@macmizzle9106 3 ай бұрын

It’s so funny that all of them ended up not even being in the same class with Jordan 😂😂😂

@StoneColdGem Ай бұрын

MJ called out certain Legends about his Rookie Freeze Out at the Hall of Fame

@ShawnThomas78 3 ай бұрын

There was NO freeze out, he just didn’t have a massive amount of touches and couldn’t get a rhythm … in fact the shot distribution was very close amongst the East All Stars.

@sonnyallagonez5776 3 ай бұрын

U was there? Or only watching highlights.If he felt froze out,then he was bruh.U probably wasn't alive in 85 boi

@ShawnThomas78 3 ай бұрын

@@sonnyallagonez5776 I’m 46 so I seen the game and been around … go play 2k … bozo

@sonnyallagonez5776 3 ай бұрын

@@ShawnThomas78 You was only 8 in 85,u was still a puppy boi hahahaha

@michaelberenato911 3 ай бұрын

6:12. We just ignore that😂

@richardallen7509 3 ай бұрын

I GOT NO RESPECT FOR ISIAH THOMAS. IM SO GLAD HE WAS LEFT OFF OF THE DREAM TEAM WITH HIS COACH CHUCK DALY😂😂 YOU KNOW THAT HURT BAD🤣🤣👍🏿💯

@Westlyn80 3 ай бұрын

Yo.!!! Ur missing an event that occurred before the all-star event. The event was team NBA VS. TEAM USA in 1984. Team 🇺🇸 beat the superteam of Team NBA 8-0, and that's where the BOBBY KNIGHT COMMENT OF JORDAN came from. Yes, magic zeke George n all were on that team before jordan won Olympic gold and way before his first NBA TIP OFF.

@august6281 3 ай бұрын

i miss watching Open Court What happened?

@fitzroy6970 3 ай бұрын

In todays era sports analysts are paid to lie for players so a show like open court that tells the truth has to be discontinued

@faronanderson2536 3 ай бұрын

If Isiah Thomas is involved, it will always have some substance to whatever the rumour is against Jordan.

@Ma1q444 Ай бұрын

There was no freeze out game

@Elkman8102 3 ай бұрын

Jordan has the upper hand vs everyone from his era besides Bird and Thomas. MJ was young when he played Bird and knows Bird won’t deal with any of his bs. But with Thomas he went 1-3 vs the Pistons in the playoffs. No matter what this cannot be changed and this is why MJ still brought this up in The Last Dance. Bottom Line, both MJ and Thomas are two of the biggest A-Holes in NBA history but MJ is more popular and controls the narrative in the media.

@bolder2009 3 ай бұрын

6 rings including sweeping Isiah. Isiah never swept Jordan in a play-off series. Those are facts too. Bird did beat Jordan. Of course having DJ, Parrish and McHale were a part of the reason why. But what happened when Jordan played with above average team mates when the US Olympic team played essentially an NBA all-star team with Bird who was the NBA's reigning MVP? 8 games played. 8 wins. For a competitor like Bird I'm sure he didn't forget that. Context is key.

@Elkman8102 3 ай бұрын

@@bolder2009 MJ is the best player of all time but he has serious issues. His hall of fame speech was alarming, the way he treats Barkley over what he said, how he laughs at Gary Payton saying he guarded him well in the finals, etc. These guys are all old now and MJ still talking about the Pistons being mean to him in the 80s. No one cares anymore until it was brought up in The Last Dance.

@DOC.MANHATTAN 3 ай бұрын

ID TAKE 1 PIPPEN OVER 20 ISIAH THOMAS'S

@duydo6924 3 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@RobertSchuster68 3 ай бұрын

As much as I love your comment, I love your comment

@cabbacabb7187 3 ай бұрын

3:03 not quite the league leader in scoring iirc

@MrJeditwinz 3 ай бұрын

Correct. Bernard King. Jordan led the league in points. Bernard played fewer games and had the highest average.

@jespacey 3 ай бұрын

mike should've let it go with isiah but his flawed nature won't let him get past their long gone careers

@fitzroy6970 3 ай бұрын

Smh do u see mj doing interviews lying on Isaiah like you see Isaiah doing interviews lying on mj?mj dnt give a damn about Isaiah,that man living large swimming in his billions watching the world go by,while EVERY damn interview Isaiah bitching about mj😑the only one whose nature is flawed is Isaiah and he needs to come to terms that mj will NEVER be his friend🤣🤣🤣EVER

@allthatwecan 12 күн бұрын

Magic and IT were kissing and hugging on stage

@ShooterSanoff 3 ай бұрын

Ain’t no feud for Jordan. Michael took Thomas’s city and he is pissed about it. And was 10x the player he was in his rookie season. I think MJ took the beatings from the Pistons like a man and kept coming.

@michaelallen8112 3 ай бұрын

Gimme a break. Stop sounding like revisionist goofie

@gb6710 3 ай бұрын

Why is Isiah taking trash about Pippen? He was better than Isiah.

@derrickwinn9694 3 ай бұрын

It’s amazing to me that you guys call it a freeze out game when over and over and over the ball was passed to Michael Jordan by Isaiah Thomas. It further lets me know that you know very little about basketball these kind of comments continuously about Isiah furthest says how much you guys dislike Isiah. I have never heard Isaiah Thomas say one thing negative about Michael Jordan‘s basketball career. Only the comments that Michael Jordan has made about him personally. When it comes to basketball, no one with their right mind could say that Michael Jordan was not one of the greatest, if not the greatest basketball player. But there are other great basketball players out there and Isiah Thomas just happens to be one of those greats whether you like it or not. Ask for black men to continue to gossip about other black men sounds very petty to me I wish that your brothers would allow this situation to lay where it should be in the past

@andrelawrence9147 3 ай бұрын

U ppl say wat u want Isaiah don't like mj he jealous of d goat

@RandyDubin 3 ай бұрын

Didn't Jordan do the same thing to Kobe at the 1998 ASG?

@rmxcls 3 ай бұрын

Freeze out? That was George Karl

@acnicodemus4734 3 ай бұрын

That was George Karl and Kobe swore from that day that he'll always beat him in a playoff series

@truthiscensored 3 ай бұрын

No Freeze out. Don't expect HOF Veterans to just step aside and let a Rookie take over the game. Don't be delusional

@duydo6924 3 ай бұрын

What? You do realize that the Bulls and the Lakers don't play in the same conference right?

@eljefe3993 3 ай бұрын

Poor dudes, Jordan came in and then and started playing with a purpose and everyone else was just being lil bitches

@DOC.MANHATTAN 3 ай бұрын

Isiah is and was garbage.... Not even on the team

@ShawnThomas78 3 ай бұрын

He can’t be garbage as he beat Bird, Magic, and MJ…

@illmatic826 3 ай бұрын

@@ShawnThomas78 Jordan swept him and won 6 titles

@ShawnThomas78 3 ай бұрын

@@illmatic826 not before he got beat 3 straight seasons and they had to change the rules for him to start winning titles …

@illmatic826 3 ай бұрын

Cry more @@ShawnThomas78

@ShawnThomas78 3 ай бұрын

@@illmatic826 take Jordan dyck out your mouth …

@racebannon2332 3 ай бұрын

Thomas was always dishonest and a beta. The goat, MJ, occupies 90% of Thomas’s small brain, rent free.