I went back to the episode and Alex pretty clearly said “they were (Rory and Mal) discussing the workflow, feeling overworked and how we can move things around” … “why y’all coming to us (Savon & Alex) like I’m a worker” So yea he definitely painted a narrative

Goddman man it's not that complicated. Alex said that Rory and Mal were the ones that came to them talkin bout being overworked and underpaied. And Rory and Mal responded that that was not true. Alex just need to say "yo my bad, it was not like that, what I wanted to say it was that we was feeling like that". That's it man.

It’s nothing wrong with saying you are overworked and underpaid. We all feel like that. It’s pushing that on Mal and Rory like they were the main one feeling that way

This dude Alex doesn’t seem to understand what Mal was upset about. Mal isn’t saying that the conversation didn’t take place, but he’s saying the framing Alex gave of R&M approaching you guys didn’t happen.

Damn the accountability is just non-existent

Accountability zero from Alex. Grow up

No. It's not about comprehension, it's about what you said. As a person who watched the episode, you all communicated this in a way that made it seem like rory and mal came to you. It wasn't about the meeting actually happening, it wasn't out of context. Alex said that Rory and Mal led the conversation. A simple "my bad" would've done it here guys.

Its not a genuine response if Alex dont take accountability. He started all this. His words was Rory and Mal came to them about being overworked and he thought they was crazy because hes just a worker and cant do anything. Hes the one that created the narrative. Savon let it run and thats the issue

They did evvvvvvverything but address Alex’s comment and framing of the meeting that started the issue. Even before Rory and Mal responded I knew Alex’s “They felt over worked” and “why were they talking to us?” was a problem. This episode could have been 10 minutes instead of an hour.

Screen man being offended for being called a liar after lying is nuts 😂 Man said nothing, didn’t address what they called him a liar for and took accountability for nothing. Props to Savon for taking accountability and hard carrying this response in a real way.

The reason they called you liars is because of how this conversation again was handled. You said that Alex's words were taken out of context. Words were not taken out of context, Alex clearly stated "People were talking about how Rory and Mal were discussing work flow and being underpaid and overworked." So the flow of the conversation from that point carried the feeling that Rory and Mal were leading the sentiment of the meeting by feeling those things and were venting to you guys and the other people present. That narrative came off stronger because Alex kept stating "Im just an employee and I dont know whay they were saying that to me." Which again paints the picture Mal and Rory were pushing ALL 3 topics when maybe the reality is they were in agreement with workflow but the pay and overwork was Savon and other employees. The fact that you guys breezed over this reality again is exactly why it comes off like you did not want to full be transparent. I think you did a great job in the interview with Joe and offered great push back. It even seemed at the beginning of this episode that you were going to hold Alex accountable for "maybe accidentally" mispeaking. But if I had the animosity those guys have towards for what Joe did to them and you guys mischaracterized the conversation that led to it all I would be just as hot. Focusing all your attention on their reaction to your mistake was another mischaracterization and how it made you feel took away from any attempt at clearing things up and felt like you were letting your co host off.

41:40 They weren't disappointed in you. They are disappointed in SAVON. They don't THINK about you, Alex

Bro this is wild. This is an clear example of social media creating ego delusions. They can’t even see how they were wrong

Been listening to the POD since 2020 and I enjoy listening to you guys. My issue is you guys are responding to their reaction instead of what they were reacting to

The older I get, the more I realize that the overwhelming majority of problems stem from the lack of clear communication. I enjoy watching all three pods and want everyone to continue progressing.

SaVon should be mad at Screenman because his ball glazing started this

Mad 🧢! Accountability is damn near extinct nowadays…. Playing the victim is at an all time high….

Its a wrap, Parks already called them liars and said Rory and Mal had every right to be mad about what was said.

You wouldn’t have to be here if Alex didn’t reimagine a conversation

Alex showed his true colours with this one. Damn shame. SaVon isn't completely blameless but still

Long story short…. They lied lol

For the record Parks said Alex lied about Mal saying something to them about him having an issue. Nothing else.

Never saw Alex flustered and tap dancing like this. THIS IS WILD 😂😂😂😂😂 damnnn

You can't skew the points and then expect to avoid getting pushback! And that point being - 'they came to us complaining being overworked and underpaid'. 'I felt, why are they talking to me about it?'. R&M did not start the conversation, y'all did. The whole conversation hinged on that point that they were stirring issues. This is basic comprehension. Also, why not play Alex's soundbite? Rory said he didn't have much faith that you would clear it up, and HE WAS RIGHT lol. You came on here and sidestepped, sharing misleading information and played victim. Respect to all the pods. But take some responsibility.

I’m 6 minutes in and the conversation is already different from when Joe was there lol

Im missing the accountability.

@8:50. See now you switching it. You literally said "why is Rory and Mal talking to me about this and not Joe" when Joe was there 💀

You can tell these guys learned from Joe. Everyone playing victim …. The fans would appreciate y’all a lot more if you just said , “ we should’ve phrased that differently, or I shouldn’t have said that , it was a mistake,” but you won’t . And I will say , maybe mal not as much , but Rory has always been self aware and acknowledging of his mistakes, and has apologized when he’s outta line . And no one does that in the pod world

this is not unfortunate.. there is a reason yall put a patreon episode on here for everyone itll be your highest viewed solo video lmaoo

I think you guys blew it. Y’all will read the comments and I’m sure it’s gonna reflect.

Alex @8:50: "I don't think they necessarily came to me." Bro, but that is what you said which created the issue. You could've easily stated now that I lied about that and I'm sorry.

Y’all took 35 min to give a bogus apology. That’s absolutely crazy.

Savon taps dance is crazy!! In front of Joe he used the umbrella 'production felt like...' Now he says "I". He straight up p*ssied around infront of Joe

This just proves that Rory and Mal were right. Savon tried…but you gentlemen just danced around for over an hour. @Alex, take accountability bro. And @Savon, hold your man accountable.

I have watched NTK podcast for a while but this is so disheartening. Alex really started this whole thing and Savon not holding Alex accountable is sickening. I'm done with this whole gaslighting crap. Guys please di better.

Damn so yall did kind of lie yall made it seem like they came to yall with grievances about work

This is ridiculous. Comprehension isn't the issue here. They way YOU communicated what happened, is exactly what you said. Say 'my bad' and let's keep it moving. 🤦🏽‍♀ Yall being offended about what YALL said about them is mind boggling to me. No way you could've anticipated a different response from them. If last week "we werent as clear"...why would yall be shocked by the responses this week?

Damn, i came here for a response and got a dance competition... completely danced around "rory and mal came to us about being overworked and underpaid"... that single sentence creates many images of what happened and if thats not the way it went, they have every right to feel slighted.

Y’all coming in a little hot just to say y’all were wrong. Y’all maintain that no lies were told but as you recount and clarify what y’all meant, it isn’t matching what y’all said when joe was in front of you. Ex: the statement “being overworked was a big theme of the convo” is not the same thing as “Rory and mal came to us about the workflow and being over worked and underpaid………idk why they came to me with it I’m just a worker”. The first statement says this was the topic of a convo we were all a part of, and the other says these were concerns they bought to me. And y’all know that’s not the same thing so just say my bad and move on.

@ 11:35 - I think the point is that Rory and Mal were not complaining, you presented it to Joe in that context, you both did make seem like they were salty and complaining about the workflow.

Short Summary: - They had an "Around the water cooler employee talk" amongst each other discussing the changes in workload. - Mal and Rory never said they were overworked or underpaid. They were just discussing their confusion about the change in workflow and schedule because Patreon was introduced so they were doing more episodes per week. - Savon was the one that felt overworked and underpaid like most employees do. - Alex was thinking why Mal and Rory were mentioning their questions/confusion to him because that was "out of his tax bracket" so to speak not because Mal and Rory came to him to vent. It was just an organic discussion. - Joe (and I assume Ian as well) was the only one that really knew what was going on with the change in workflow. - Savon and Alex felt that the disrespect from Mal was unwarranted.

Alex looks crazy lmao. Parks damn near called y’all liars “ reimagined”. Wild part about all of this is. Rory and Mal have told the exact same story every time. All other parties involved have changed their stories every single time.

Parks knows 😂😂😂😂 Parks said yall lied 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I can’t believe we been listening to everyone talk about this for 3 years

Savon looks like he's disappointed in Alex lmfao!!

Alex didn't speak on nothing 😂

Joe made them listenable for the time they were on his podcast and now they’re the two most boring voices with a microphone

It would be so much easier if everyone sat in the same room and talked it out. It would be a must watch Pod. Joe, Mal, Rory, Parks, and you two.

Alex was that little lap dog who got happy his owner came home when Joe was on

Maturity is coming on here and saying you had a poor choice of words and this is what you meant. Maturity is getting on the phone and speaking to Mal about his ball glazing comment. The lesson is your choice of words and context matters. This is a battle of public opinion maturity is realizing your walking on a thin line and understanding you have to be sensitive to both sides.

They snaked Rory and Mal. Trashed Joe then caused a riff between the Host and Co-hosts'

I can’t lie this was nasty work mannn…

You lied and Parks said it too, this whole long drawn out explanation could’ve been resolved with simply “I lied, I’m sorry”

Good podcast guys. Salute to you all. Alex didn’t really understand that his comments triggered things. He basically made it look like it was R&M that came to him. Savon didn’t do good job to correct Alex at any point.

Oh Alex Vicious wit it😂😂😂😂

its not about it being salacious its about you saying something that wasn't said ALEX lol even parks said on joes pod that yall lied about stuff .. just say yalll made a mistake and continued on

Parks said y’all lied and it’s crazy y’all made this knowing y’all lied is nuts. Savon really trying to be Joe and spin shit is wild

He wants respect to call his name but he flat out lied on them is hilarious

Alex isn’t understanding that he made it seem like THEY (R&M) said that they were overworked and underpaid. The theme of the meeting can be being overworked/underpaid but it doesn’t mean that THEY (R&M) were the ppl to say it. SaVon is right that two things can be true. There was a convo but they didn’t say what you said that they said. It’s very simple.

Man parks snitching to Joe is the catalyst for all this it doesn’t matter his intent when you fire a gun to kill someone and it hits the wrong person first you still caught 2 bodies with the intent of catching 1 if parks just stfu and rolled with the other WORKERS instead of snitching to the boss for whatever reason I think shit doesn’t turn out like this

Even Parks said y’all were lying lol

The response here is definitely lacking accountability and being very obtuse at the same time. Savon and Alex definitely lied and didn’t tell the story in its entirety. Parks even called it out. Parks said it on the JBP (episode 673 - ‘55m:32sec’ mark) for anyone who wants to catch it. Y’all ain’t slick. Alex is trying to be VERY slick. PARKS: “Joe went up there with Savon and mistold the story. I understand the other gentlemen’s (Rory and Mal) reason for frustration with that…I was ALSO UPSET ON HOW THIS WAS REITERATED, RETOLD. They left out some key details…. They (R&M) have a right to be mad at that”.

😂😂 RnM didn't say he lied about details of the meeting ... they said THEY WEREN'T THE 2 THAT SAID IT

How Savon doesn’t remember or doesn’t want to address what Alex said is crazy. You might of not said it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t said on the pod.

Y’all wasted an hour not taking accountability …. You guys are good dudes but this is nasty.

Y'all gon have to try this again.

Fact that both of y'all screwed up so bad that even Parks whose president of Joe Budden fan club had to say y'all lied is CRAZY. Also don't title it as "Misplaced energy" when y'all the reason for this latest round of discourse.

Definitely ball glazing. Lmaooooooo I thought I was trippin but …. A fact. 😂😂😂😂truth hurts. Now let me check out that RnM pod.

Let’s not do this fellas. Instead of running with this narrative, Alex could have retracted and apologized for putting the overworked/underpaid on R&M’s jackets. It’s really that simple. They went on record the last JBP podcast they ever did that they never felt that way. Let’s do a better job next time. Hopefully we can still see a WYNTK/R&M crossover sometime in the future when tensions have died down

Savon mustve just learned the words "comprehension and duality" lol.

21:06 alex lying like hell lmao..ur a podcaster... who as a podcaster doesnt want to go viral and get engagement/views/subscriptions? Dude just hop on the mic and start saying shit. They shouldve left it at the interview w/ Joe because they looking worse with this.

I would’ve just made a 2 line statement in the regular pod and kept it moving. This topic doesn’t need to be fed anymore energy.

Holding Savon responsible for Alex’s actions is the same as holding RnM responsible for correcting Joe all the time they sat next to him. There’s plenty of times Joe went off and they didn’t correct him. You got a problem with what Alex said deal with Alex. Mal literally accuses Joe of stealing all the time it seems Rory is not aligned as he always keeps quiet does anyone force Rory to intervene, grown men wanting everyone to share their views and treat them like victims.

Even Parks said on the JBP today that y’all misrepresented how that conversation went down.

Just apologize Screenman!

“Screen man” was crazy, Parks said y’all lied though so this situation epic 😂😂😂😂😂😂

So y'all just proved to anyone with common sense that you guys lied and twisted the events of that "secret meeting" because you were afraid of being honest with Joe about how y'all really felt. This just brings me back to when Mal just stared at the camera and said "Parks" repeatedly, seems like Parks really knows.

To be honest, they didn’t say that’s not what the conversation was about they said they didn’t start the conversation.

“Savon and Alex from the Need to Know Podcast FIRES back at the mixy boys” - Danny from the stop voice

Heres the real question parks agreed that savon and alex lied. Are they going to respond to parks?

Men that will talk an hour around accountability is cringy af!

Yall should’ve waited till after parks responded to respond he already said they never said half the shit yall said if any of it 😂😂😂😂

That walk back😂😂

25:17 Mals gripe which he said several times .. He has NEVER went to anyone & said he felt overworked & underpaid. YOU Alex .. Had said both bare & minimum went to YALL to complain . Lying on recorded podcasts is absolutely nasty work

Ahhh yal niggas went back n posted the whole shit lol. I was watching the other one and shit disappeared mid episode 😅

Im 20 mins in on this video and they have yet to address who brought up the convo, and Alex took back his words without an apology. I fw you guys, but this was a brick

Damn, yall had another good opportunity to grow as podcasters. You knew when you had Joe on that it would be messy and salacious. The meeting was not portrayed properly on your podcast. The most neutral person, Parks, just shut this whole gaslighting session down. As a fan, it sucks that neither of you could simply apologize for the miscommunication you instigated. And side note, you needed Regi to hold you both accountable.

It seems like where things went left is that the narrative in the streets is that Rory & Mak LED the charge on the "overworked and underpaid" angle when it seems like all of y'all were just talking about it that day. Joe has said, it's some things he could of done better and I think this is one of them. None of y'all knew what the plan was ,especially with the extra Patreon shows added to the mix. Then it just blew up from there. The vibe changed, R & M wanna see accounting, words back and forth etc. I hope y'all stay cool, I listen to all three pods and success to all you dudes

Alex explaining what Savon said and not speaking on what he said is crazy 😭😭😭 nigga nodding his head like exactly that wasn’t said when it wasn’t Savon it was you 😂

I think alex is reaching with saying that rory is playing with his name by calling him screenman. That was his nickname. People call people by their nickname. Mal isn't Mals real name. You're not playing Mal by calling him that.

We in a generation of plying victim. Alex: “Y’all kept calling me screenman… for y’all to play with my name like that..😡” Dude that’s LITERALLY what they used to call you 😂😂

Once you say " people that look like us" you lyin 😂

The ball guzzling from these two is wild

yaahhhhhhh rory and mal tellin the troof 😂

Yea Alexis definitely made that narrative sound crazy. Like Mal and Rory were at the meeting teary eyed and upset 😂😂😂😂

On today's pod Parks literally said y'all niggas lied about what happened and he understood why R&M was upset lol so you tryna reference the Parks Knows episode is comedy 😭😭😭

I don’t think Alex sees where they took issue. They aren’t upset if you spoke for yourself, you spoke for them and said they came to you. It seems y’all missing each other.

Let’s see how Alex handles this LOL

“It’s not gonna be salacious or headliney” *exits video. Tf you think I came for lmaooo

This was actually hard to watch… barely any accountability.