For Real 😅😅😅

Ikr!!! what happened to his visions

That and the fact his portal must have broke since he can’t portal his ass out of there 😂

That should be a sign to his followers. God did not say "Thou shall not kill" and do not covet anything of your neighbors' . Follow Jesus, not any ma n

Plagerism at it's worst , viewers pointed out his James and Elana story is work for word exactly the same as a play popular in LDS culture in the nineties.

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Listen to Lori coach Jason loud and annoyingly shrill 1:05:52 She got into the driver's seat too!😅

True and so was Lori so the madness collided! She def manipulated him when she kept asking when Tami was going to be eliminated.

@@earthrooster1969I missed that. 1969 I have to say my son was born in 1969. He was at work, told his worker I feel dizzy and sat down in a chair 😢 seizures barely and eyes rolled back. Why I’m saying this to you was the 1969. It was totally unexpected. Now I have a grown daughter that was heart broken 😢I only have or had 2 children. He was 😢52, and would be 53 the next month. I’m 😢trying to heal but will I 😢 maybe never will. I do feel guardian angels around me sometimes ♥️🌹🙏🙏. TY so much for listening. Oh and I picked up a cool whatnot of a rooster last night at a YT member auction. Thank you again /and sending much love 🥰♥️♥️🌹😊🤗😘🌹💕

A lot of religious and cult leaders seem to have been unemployed when they launched their endeavor to lead others. Bored men lacking power looking to find it somewhere, anywhere. "Idle hands are the devil's tools"

Funded by his wife who made 18,000 a year. How did they survive???

@@reneesantiago6496 in the recording at the police car with Emma, Chad was talking about a bank loan. I bet he had them maxxed out with loans he took out without Tammy knowing.

If you want to avoid natural disasters please move as close to Yellowstone as you can afford.

​@@reneesantiago6496government assistance , when Chad got back to Rexburg he went to the welfare office and applied for Medicaid for his unmarried under twenty six children that tells me if he thinks he qualifies this isn't the first time he's been on government assistance.

Research divorce.

The problem was, she believed everything he said!

I know why she was depressed!

Divorce in the LDS church is exceptionally rare because the family unit stands above all else, as does being subservient to your husband. It is believed that in order for a woman to get to heaven, her husband essentially has to escort her there. I can’t really explain the nuances in full detail, but yeah there’s no way Tammy would have left him unless there was definitive proof he was cheating or was physically abusing her or something. And sometimes even that type of thing gets swept under the rug in these marriages to keep up appearances with the congregation.

​@@EmilyElizabethxoxe sure was a lot of divorcing going on in that circle. Maybe enough of make up for the rest of the church. Also in that circle, people marrying after just meeting.

Exactly. He got caught up in a fantasy

Spot on!!

To carrying all of that to reality 🤪👍

Very cleansing!

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Absolutely

They need a chess playing prosecutor to trip him up. He's a real piece of work manipulator that's true. He even buried Tammy on a Tuesday like in one of his books where he told people to get a long weekend from work by burying their loved ones on a Tuesday morning (and continued that they could go do something fun in the afternoon like going to a waterpark). He's a real self centred scumbag too.

I agree. He wanted power, a harem of women, to be special, and important. Narcissistic not crazy. He was very calculated and sooooo premeditated, he was cooking this weird crap years before he put it into action.

Interesting The fine line between evil and crazy Where does it lie in each of these people? Who knows😔

Best description of that numbskull.

Chad even accused the police of threatening his daughter Leah, because the police were at her house asking where her father was. He melodramatizes and makes his kids (fictitious) victims of people so he can get away with things too. I bet his kids all rallied around Leah and decided not to speak to police after he would have told them the same story of her being threatened.

Exactly

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Chad eating magic 🍄 mushrooms while he living under the stairs. Lol

I absolutely agree and I think he was jealous and saw how much attention that Row lady got for her book and wanted to capitalize on it because he thought he was better than her and would get more followers.

He definitely created his NDE's to manipulate people to follow him. And he repeated other people's "prophecies" to make himself a sort of idol that would attract followers. Lori fell for the whole thing. He used her as his gatherer and spoke through her to control others. Alex was completely convinced. Chad became lost in his own fantasies. He controlled life and death like a Mafia leader. I can't see Tammy being killed without his physical participation. As for Tylee, "I hurried and got my gun. One shot did the trick." Sounds like a confession to me. It take a long, long time to burn a body. I don't think Alex was on Chad's property long enough to do all that was done. I think of Tylee's remains embedded in Chad's pick axe. And the tool marks on her PELVIC remains. I think Chad enjoyed that. Lori had been mentally ill for a long time, but Chad wasn't sick in that way. It seems to me that Chad was simply an evil and wicked criminal. My grandmother used to say, "An idle mind is the devil's workshop." Chad is a perfect example.

Justin from AZ news, and a few others asked...

Nate has covered this case better and more thorough than anyone!

​@@klee4dI think so too. But others did ask

Because they could NEVER IMAGINE killing their own children. We assume that other people act and think like we do. It was so far from their own REALITY.

Did he?

Definitely on something. When lorri was served papers by the pool his jaw doesn't stop

I heard some rumours about psychedelic cacti and I confirmed ketamine use around that circle. But that's the extent of my knowledge.

Pretty much sums it up. So transparent.

And he did control it. 2 of his kids are still under his control.

And it has.

They are not watching the testimony. They are potential witnesses. They will be subject to the same questions that are asked by the judge at the start of testimony. They will not know anything of the previous testimony when they take the stand.

As family members of a victim, they’re not subject to the exclusionary rule - the same way Samantha Gwilliam and her husband were not subject to it.

Idt they will look at or listen to aby evidence

My feelings are that the kids are just like him. Their beliefs are the same as his. They are part of his cult.

I agree!! He probably said a lot of flattering things to her to get her to marry him. Then he turned into a huge a$$hole. He probably did nothing around the house and dominated the kids. They seemed like “Stepford children”

Right. Thought so too. Like okay captain obvious! 😂

And that laugh too ugh. They thought they were so clever in their dupers delight.

Hes a snitch. Laughing. What the hell is wrong with him too?​@madsdee7803

The whole family is sick.​@@madsdee7803

I know that laugh 🙄🙄🙄

On I think when it was Tammy's sister or someone's testimony Chad was labling different people as dark and light to Tammy and the kids , then he would ask Tammy to pray about it and she would roll her eyes then do it and give him an answer . I wish I could remember exactly who said that so he was spewing that BS to her and the kids but with her rolling her eyes I'm guessing she was just pacifying him . His own brother-in-law we just watched said that these so called near death experiences wasn't spoken about until he started up with Julie Rowe so we know he made all that up

His kids are victims too even if they don't realise it. He doesn't care about them ether. He just uses them when it suits him, like when he had Emma move into his house from across the road to hide evidence in "his and Lori's room" and the mattress upstairs where he killed their mother, when he had his son Garth call 911 when Garth found her body (he wanted him to tell them that CHad found her body and called him in...but he said "I found her body" and Chad took the phone off him to control the narrative... He was running from the police with Lori and spending their mother's life insurance. He told his kids he wasn't their father anymore and he was an 'empty nester'. He just wanted to go off and act like a young lovestruck man without responsibilities. They were 'raised' by a covert narcissist who used coercive control and lies to control their lives.

@@madsdee7803as angry as I sometimes feel toward his kids and the few behaviors we’ve seen from them so far, I strive to continue to keep in my mind and heart everything you just said. I think it might be very difficult while hearing them testify for their dad but I will keep an open mind and mostly an open heart. I agree with all your sentiments

So we can come to that possible and perhaps likely conclusion.​@@cyndieve6032

Most mormon men are. Just like cody Brown says "it's all about ego baby" and woman are trained to stay quiet, stay sweet and feed those egos!

@@jessicaschulatz514 100%. Such a cult.

​@jessicaschulatz514 please resist pretending to know things that aren't true I'm LDS lifelong member and no, this is not how most members are at all. And we are not taught to be this way either

​@@jessicaschulatz514 NO, THEY ARE NOT. Don't litter your own self serving lies and disguise them as real details of the case Our men are NOTHING like this, thank you and watch the tongue, lying is a sin as well

It is always smart to have an attorney and to never, ever speak to the police without attorney present. Cops lie, make mistakes, and unlawfully arrest innocent people every day. It is always a good idea to get a lawyer to talk to the police for you, especially if you are innocent. However, Chad and Lori hired an attorney because they were guilty of the most horrific crimes.

Nearly everyone even innocent people hire an attorney when they're accused of crimes & especially for a trial. Maybe I misunderstood your comment. They can't apologise when they're saying they are innocent, there's the trial & appeals still happening but they think of themselves & not of others.

HELLO!! They are liars and cons 🤬 Read the room already 🤪

I don’t think they did. Chad knew Jason wouldn’t get involved with that crap. It was just a ploy.

The LE obtained a warrant to exhume. They didn't have to alert anyone. Especially a suspicious person!

Any one with a brain knows Chad is serial murderer.

When total bs becomes ‘visions.’

Truth ​@@river8760

When bs becomes deadly reality. Chad is a piece of scum. He didn't deserve Tammy..

I hope that it's a relief for Tammy's family that he decided not to put his name on her headstone.

@@snowwhite2524 agree. I’d get a new one

That's if they're planning to share a cemetery plot. Mormons often put spouse names even if they're not going to be buried together. Like it will say "Beloved Wife of..." with the husband's name. It's for genealogy purposes, since that spouse might not be sealed. My understanding is that they are buried with whatever spouse they are sealed with, so Chad was likely planning to be buried with Lori. The fact that he didn't put his name on Tammy's headstone meant that he wanted that marriage erased from history. It wasn't enough insult that he sealed himself with Lori; he wanted to completely delete Tammy from his family tree.

@@waypay1 oh wow. Thanks for sharing that with me. So that brings such a different light to that now. Too bad they couldn’t have made that more clear to the jury like you did for me. I do have an understanding of the sealing in the Mormon religion. I wonder what his kids thought of that and what he told them as to why he didn’t put his name on the headstone. I can’t remember what Chad said about being sealed to Tammy. Anyway, thanks so much for your comment.

@@bethanywhite877 You're welcome! I'm lucky enough to have a Mormon friend to explain all the scandalous parts to me. 😂 I can't WAIT to hear his kids testify. I could understand standing by their dad if they were little children who lost their mom and have only their dad left, but they are adults. Most of them were grown when Tammy died. If there was even the slightest hint that my father was involved in my mother's death, he'd be cut off. It's also creepy that Chad was bragging his kids can keep secrets. I hope the prosecution asks some good questions when they get up there.

I am coming to that conclusion too. I think Chad was definitely a part of the manipulation of others in the group, though. He wasn’t innocent of this to me. He had the twisted ideas and gave Lori the ‘bullets’ to her ‘gun’. They are as bad as each other, plotting and planning together. The joint phone conversations reflect that.

Yeah every time he put the speaker phone on so she could control conversations and join in with coercing people to do what they wanted. They just did it together and even laughed together because they didn't believe the rubbish. They just wanted to manipulate their chess pieces into doing what they wanted. They both did it before they met each other too, with Lori accusing men of being abusive and coaching her kids into lying and Chad trying to get people to move to Rexburg so he could use them for money or whatever he wanted. Just a pair of psychos who became serial killers together.

@@madsdee7803 Spot on

​@@madsdee7803You hit the nail on the head with this comment. These two diabolical dunces fed off one another's delusions. They answered to no one but each other and tragedy was the result. Just because he's bumbling, boring and soft spoken doesn't mean he wasn't a skilled spiritual manipulator. Lori's unrepentant and so is Chad.

Heather's evil? J.c. are they sick!

That was a good series! I see your point. 🙃

I thought this, I thought he sneaked off to be with her at that time, just couldn’t help himself. I suppose also they had a lot to talk about l, like getting away with it all. It’s laughable except they went after the kids so it’s evil, pure evil in action.

Did Lori go to the funeral luncheon later? I can't recall.

I think Chad was late to the funeral luncheon on purpose because he didn't want to answer questions from Tammy's family. He was avoiding them. When he did come he didn't even stay, he said they (him and his kids) had other places they needed to go.

All his kids have been coerced into doing Chad's bidding with fear, flattery, having their mother's money thrown their way etc (the recordings and testimonies from people he tried to coerce into moving to Rexburg show how he uses fear to try and get people to do what he wants).

@@madsdee7803 he’s pretty manipulative. told lori her dead grandfather was communicating with him and that she was in danger all because she wouldn’t respond to him. Imagine how he might’ve manipulated his own children who were more susceptible because it’s their freakin dad

​@@asapcasper1367it's so freaking mind-blowing when you hear the texts he sent to try and get Lori to answer him. To use her dead grandfather and it's even more mind blowing that she believed him and still does. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you tell a very narcissistic, selfish, manipulative person that they are an exalted goddess over and over. This should be a lesson for people who have people like this in their lives.

​@@asapcasper1367I still can't figure out who was more manipulative, Lori or Chad.

@@ashleymaddox9829 match made in hades. Hearing all of the calls and seeing the body cams…Lori really is a master manipulator. However, judging by how the kids are reacting and how he treated Tammy… Chad is only slightly behind.

Vallow is a less common name than Ryan. There are a thousand Lori Ryans. Also, everyone that googled Lori Vallow said that news stories about Charles Vallow's death came up. Lori and Chad were telling everyone Charles died of a heart attack, so they were trying to hide that from Chad's family by calling her Lori Ryan.

Yh they tried to delete the 5th chapter of her weird marriage history by avoiding mentioning vallow, cos charlie was all over the news...when confronted bout this specifically I believe I remember the excuse was Lori didn't want the stigma of being associated.....so laughable if it wasn't surrounded by dead people that they in fact created all the chaos that they were trying to detach themselves from....this is warped from top to bottom Plus Charlie tried to warn Tammy about the affair......

Common sense is a wonderful thing! 😁

Shady people construct lies all the time. Chad and Lori lie constantly.

He didn’t want them to google her. Lori Ryan would be a very common name.

Yes, I personally do. They’ve followed him as the head of their family and as a spiritual leader in their lives. That’s been substantiated. So where is the line? If they believed his other visions and assertions, it would make sense that they may also believe their mother was dark, if that’s what they’ve been told. And if they believe that, then all of this would make sense to them and mean they don’t have to feel the weight of the wrong that’s been committed.

They believed in the crap he said. It's in heather daybell's testimony

Interesting! I have no idea but now I’m guessing that Julie was living there at the time and this is something I somehow missed. Is this implied somewhere? I know the LDS world was having their 🤯 with JR conspiracies about 8 years ago. Is there citing of her living location during all of that coverage?

That IS interesting.

I can see them trying to start a jail house cult !

Ps…but Chad won’t be in Gen pop he will be on Death row by himself .

Child killers won’t have credibility in any prison-male nor female

😮yesssss. It's a cult...they are told they are Christian but they are not.

Very little of Chad's beliefs are part of LDS beliefs. He was making up his own religion.

@@nikan7704 Not really, he obviously went beyond, but it has been clearly proven that LDS is a cult. Glad to see people waking up to that fact.

@@nikan7704 almost all of chad’s beliefs are based on Mormon doctrine.

@@freckles2773 SOME, certainly not "almost all", are derived from concepts in LDS doctrine at their start, but he either embellished and morphed them into versions almost unrecognizable to anyone in the faith, or utter blasphemy. If you think LDS religion is crazy, fine, but very little of LDS beliefs have been discussed in this case. If you notice, when asked if something Chad was doing was normal to the LDS faith, every single witness has said no almost every time, or they'll say something like yes but not the way Chad was doing it.

The whole situation is so pointless. They could have divorced and lived happily ever after until Lori got sick of him.. Tylee was almost out of the house and if they really didn't want JJ, they could have had Charles or other family care for him. Both Tammy and Charles could have moved on.

​@@SD-co9xeThey were too lazy, dumb and arrogant to build an honest life. They had live off of their partners. So they thought they had to do what they did.

He’s not nonchalant, he’s clearly disgusted by Chad and wants the details presented properly with clarity.

He isn’t nonchalant. He has no clue what is happening. Put yourself in his shoes. It would be so confusing, hard to understand, let alone hard to believe someone you’ve known so well is lying to you about his wife or Lori’s kids situation. He has no idea.

Seems seems like p.officers cared more than the family. he's elevated by drama too.

Chad’s BIL was trying to be friendly so as to avoid Chads suspicion. Very common when dealing with a narcissist or someone you know deep inside is volatile. Also to avoid him coming after him or his family. Since pretty much, that was what they were doing. So many red flags just screaming at them.

Not sure what you mean. He was cool because he was telling the truth. And in an excellent manner.

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No they don't Chad troll.

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