FULL VERSION - War for Apachería - Fighting With the Federal Government in the 1870's

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2 жыл бұрын

In recognition of Indigenous People's day, I'm publishing the full 40+ minute long version of this episode publicly.
Thank you for watching.
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The war for Apachería and the entire southwest, started in the 1500's with Spanish colonialism and first contact with the Conquistadors. That war ultimately turned into war with Mexico, but culminated into a battle for existence against the US military, Mexico, and American settlers after the Mexican-American war ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe.
In this video we discuss some of that history, the people who fought on both sides, the gear they used and then demonstrate some of it with competitive live fire demonstrations.

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@alt5494
@alt5494 2 жыл бұрын
The demonstration really makes you appreciate the value of a lever action.
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 2 жыл бұрын
....and reloading a SAA from a pouch rather than belt loops
@alt5494
@alt5494 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWolfsnack Honestly reloading a pistol is only ever a thing when long guns are not in play. A black power .44-.45 pistol really has no range advantage over a double barrel shotgun. Which if set up properly has a higher rate of fire on top of the far more deadly cartridge. And if a Evans repeater is in play with 28 rounds in the magazine. I certainly wouldn't not want to be the guy with the five shot pistol.
@barttorbert5031
@barttorbert5031 2 жыл бұрын
@@alt5494 During the Civil War there was a Texas cavalry unit that was armed with two short barreled, double barreled shotguns. I would not want to be on the receiving end of a charge from that unit.
@alt5494
@alt5494 2 жыл бұрын
@@barttorbert5031 Two guns is nice, but what you really want is auto ejectors, and cock on close hammers on your double barrel shotgun. If you're fast over twelve shells on target a minute!
@dscrappygolani7981
@dscrappygolani7981 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, yeah! Gunfights must have been rather slow affairs back in the day
@drgitfinger1397
@drgitfinger1397 2 жыл бұрын
As a viewer from the UK my knowledge of this era of American history has been recieved mainly through the filter of pop culture. So, I find it invaluable to be educated by a source that I trust the integrity of. Karl, I appreciate the fact that you believe that facts are entertaining enough by their very nature.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@alun7006
@alun7006 2 жыл бұрын
@@InrangeTv A big +1 on this from another Brit. Fascinating stuff, presented in a very entertaining way. British Muzzleloaders is probably the only other channel doing anything roughly comparable. This kind of practical testing of period equipment is the thing you do best. Thank you for all you do!
@atune2682
@atune2682 Жыл бұрын
exactly!
@jameshealy4594
@jameshealy4594 2 жыл бұрын
No other "firearms" channel has your depth and breadth of content, from black powder and thoughtful history to modern combat rifles and knowledge about hacking & infosec. I don't think I've ever watched one of your videos without learning something and the times you've made me question an assumption I held are especially valued. Thank you for working so hard to keep bringing us quality content, I created a Patreon account to help when you went independent and I've never regretted it since.
@williamperson6713
@williamperson6713 2 жыл бұрын
I loved this series so much that I went out and bought one of the replica Pedersoli trapdoor carbines. Now I need the rest of the gear. Thanks for great content!
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the boots, I am reminded of the experience of Japanese soldiers in the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. Many went to the war with normal military shoes and after a few days, set about weaving traditional rice-straw sandals for themselves because the shoes were just miserable. Hard to find pictures but once in a while you will find some Japanese soldier running into battle looking more like an ashigaru of old than a soldier of the 20th century.
@memepizza37
@memepizza37 2 жыл бұрын
I believe its called Puttee. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puttee
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA 3 ай бұрын
​@@memepizza37No, those were entirely different things altogether, not even slightly similar. Puttees were not sandals, they were not even a type of footwear. Rather its a type of cloth binding worn to support your legs and ankles , the equivalent of gaiters or compression pants.
@Schlachtschule
@Schlachtschule 2 жыл бұрын
This is, by far, my favorite kind of video that you guys do. Historical shooting is its own thing, and there isn't enough of it done with the correct weapons and kit to give an immersive experience that really shows how the combatants of the time operated.
@Omniseed
@Omniseed 2 жыл бұрын
The kit and overview of it really does help give context to what was simply the fashion of the time and what were ongoing refinements, like the cartridge box vs belt loop bit
@petervanderwaart1138
@petervanderwaart1138 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure we're all interested in Kevin's background and how he acquired his extensive knowledge. He deserves better introduction.
@joshjablonicky171
@joshjablonicky171 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly Carl these videos that you do like this are amazing!!! Honestly way more insightful then what I would see on network TV. I could listen to talk about history and tell stories for hours and hours. Truly thank you for all the hard work you put into it for us.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@joshjablonicky171
@joshjablonicky171 2 жыл бұрын
@@InrangeTv by far some of my favorite content how you tell these stories is amazing I know you've heard it a million times. Better than anything that's been on TV for probably honestly the last decade you such a great job I can't even explain it how great they are. Truly from bottom of my heart I appreciate all the hard work you put into it for us. I'm partially disabled some more or less housebound could be very depressing your videos all of them get so into them I forget about all of it so great thank you
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 2 жыл бұрын
I’m having a little déjà vu moment here. Fascinating content. The American southwest is rich with history that doesn’t always get the attention that it deserves. Thanks In Range for shining a light on it.
@noahcount7132
@noahcount7132 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. thoroughly enjoyable, live fire living history presentation, Karl and Kevin. Thank you both!
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@mountainghoti1671
@mountainghoti1671 2 жыл бұрын
So. Much. Smoke. Loved painting the blue table black! Thank you for all the extras, especially for both men being as authentic as possible, in looks and history lessons. This was amazing!
@geekmansegraves
@geekmansegraves 2 жыл бұрын
Something about the 1870/73 trapdoor action just looks so satisfying to use. Fantastic video, Karl!
@gyrosphinx
@gyrosphinx 2 жыл бұрын
The "Larping" does in a way serve the same purpose as what The Chieftain does with tanks. Highlight the ergonomics, and all the other little things that you wouldn't necessarily know about if you only looked at numbers. Like how cavalry boots are not as sealed against the ingress of dirt, or how good crew ergonomics makes for a more efficient tank.
@rdmfjones5421
@rdmfjones5421 2 жыл бұрын
Really like the one parter. Made it all come together better. Here I am supposed to be doing stuff yet got sucked into this!
@andrewlester6540
@andrewlester6540 2 жыл бұрын
I love this type of content! Thank you! InRange.
@dlwoxford
@dlwoxford 2 жыл бұрын
InRange has done it again- a fun, informative, and enlightening video that combines historical education, cultural stories, and human experience all into one. Karl's genius is in the simple nature of these videos. It's facts, a few colorful anecdotes, then all brought together in a modern skills demo that illustrates so much more than the previous exposition. Well done, yet again! Karl et al, continue to keep up the excellent work!
@joetaylor486
@joetaylor486 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE these living history videos. They flesh out so many little details of the experience and capabilities of the people of the era. Brilliant stuff guys.
@taylorsmith2258
@taylorsmith2258 2 жыл бұрын
Throughly enjoyed this one. Good bits of history, passionate presenters, and good shooting. Fun watch, thank you.
@iainwalker8701
@iainwalker8701 2 жыл бұрын
Finally got round to watching this. Awesome content and think Kevin is a brilliant co-host.
@ashleyhyatt6319
@ashleyhyatt6319 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic docu-short! Thank you!
@krisb6643
@krisb6643 2 жыл бұрын
Love this content, not only educational on history, but seeing the practicalities of shooting with this equipment is fascinating
@chrisf6876
@chrisf6876 2 жыл бұрын
As always I appreciate your time and effort in making these excellent old West vignette's
@evoltnvii
@evoltnvii 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos keep it up great content!
@AsronPhotography
@AsronPhotography 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best firearms channel besides Forgotten Weapons. Appreciate you Karl!
@jasondarby2749
@jasondarby2749 2 жыл бұрын
Karl, good video. Please keep doing these historical based ones. They are very informative.
@frankhinkle5772
@frankhinkle5772 2 жыл бұрын
That was really interesting, thank you to both of you!
@DANCINGWITHTHEFAILS
@DANCINGWITHTHEFAILS 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this on indigenous people's day!
@atune2682
@atune2682 Жыл бұрын
that is some smooth reloading! great presentation, great video! very interesting!
@magoshighlands4074
@magoshighlands4074 2 жыл бұрын
Ooooh! That last pistol shot Kevin made on the star! That was *beautiful* to watch!
@supremeghost7950
@supremeghost7950 2 жыл бұрын
Extremly entertaining and informative video. I appreciate the efforts.
@MrDazmo
@MrDazmo 2 жыл бұрын
Live fire living history is my new favorite thing! Thank you Karl and Kevin!
@Sheltowee1775
@Sheltowee1775 2 жыл бұрын
Very well done. Thank you.
@bushmansa518
@bushmansa518 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic history lesson and great content as usual.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@richardtravalini5079
@richardtravalini5079 2 жыл бұрын
Great historical presentation and analysis.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@Archangelm127
@Archangelm127 2 жыл бұрын
39:00 - So in effect the US Cavalry in the West were more in the line of dragoons in the European sense? Cool, I never knew that.
@seanbeadles7421
@seanbeadles7421 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, US cavalry didn’t really have the same system of dragoon vs cuirassier because we never really had widespread and common linear warfare that would need heavy cavalry to break lines, so light cavalry like dragoons was all we ever really used
@barttorbert5031
@barttorbert5031 2 жыл бұрын
See me comment about the flip-flops the US Army did relative to dragoons vs. cavalry.
@johnthomas7517
@johnthomas7517 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting history and practical demonstrations, excellent work guys!
@joepipito7431
@joepipito7431 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy video good job 👏 gentlemen
@hangonsnoop
@hangonsnoop 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that the Apache boots have built-in gaiters would be an enormous advantage.
@anthonyhayes1267
@anthonyhayes1267 2 жыл бұрын
I think I need a pair of them
@kenhelmers2603
@kenhelmers2603 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Thanks guys :)
@tamlandipper29
@tamlandipper29 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just curious, because you'd have probably said already if you did, but are there any known tactical vignettes for this sort of fighting? I'm talking Bear Went Over the Mountain level of detail.
@mildbill2806
@mildbill2806 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, so much history, and so much information. I am going to watch this again to digest it all. Many thanks for a mighty great lesson. This needs to be a must-see video for history classes in school. BTW my 1970s High School mascot here in Texas was the Apaches and our sideline mascots were dressed as Mescaleros. They made a trip to New Mexico to learn the spirit dance from an Apache native tribe. Anyway, in the 1990s the school board had the mascot changed to the timber wolves even though no one from the Apache tribes ever demanded it.
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 2 жыл бұрын
One of two things must have happened: Either some prissy white people decided that they needed to be offended on behalf of the Apaches, because Apaches clearly can't take care of themselves (love the hypocrisy there), or someone pushed the board to change so they could get the contract to make the new logos. Or maybe both. Fascinates me how often greed and political correctness seem to go hand in hand as it is always very well-to-do people who insist on telling me how I need to change how I live and think. Still, awesome that your team was able to get some firsthand learning themselves, because it is entirely possible one day that the only visual record of the Spirit Dance is some old VHS of your high school team showing it off. Indeed, it is a tragic reality that much of our knowledge of "Indigenous People" comes from white people who took the time to describe it rather than the Indigenous people themselves because people don't always realize how much of their culture fades away while they are busy trying to make a living.
@Khronogi
@Khronogi 2 жыл бұрын
@@genericpersonx333 Being a prissy white person in a prissy white people style community myself (I'm fairly liberal, in a very liberal area), I don't think we would have been offended had we known the school was actively trying to learn about the culture they were named after. That's the sort of thing that makes us giddy. That being said, I can absolutely see us being ignorant enough to not know that and see offense where only respect had been intended. I can also see the second option equally being a thing. From what I can remember of school (late 90s through the 00's), the only things about Native society that we were taught outside of history class was a few guest speakers, and some society gatherings that took place at our school. But all of those things were only at my elementary school, (late 90s, early 00's). I kind of find it a shame we didn't have content like this to learn about.
@ArcanisUrriah
@ArcanisUrriah 2 жыл бұрын
Kevin be like "naw, wasn't that good - had to learn as I went". Me be like. Barn 5 yards away. "I meesed". Seriously though. Good team, you two. Excellent history lessons.
@jeanniebuchholz9923
@jeanniebuchholz9923 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing, I enjoyed this. Good luck and God bless.
@Fallingtower969
@Fallingtower969 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks thanks thanks!!! I love history especially when it's not sanitized.
@kajetandziebaj6405
@kajetandziebaj6405 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content.
@joefw2446
@joefw2446 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@KurtOnoIR
@KurtOnoIR 2 жыл бұрын
I just got a uberti 1873 lever action in 357 and an original colt thunderer .41 revolver. Just like Billy the kid man I'm having so much fun with these!
@GunsmithSid
@GunsmithSid 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this!
@blex5579
@blex5579 2 жыл бұрын
you guys never cease to amaze!
@chrisk8792
@chrisk8792 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Presentation.😎👍
@bheinks
@bheinks 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all that you do, Karl
@darrylpendergrass8703
@darrylpendergrass8703 2 жыл бұрын
Karl thanks for this, I’m currently reading “The Apache Wars” by Paul Hutton, as a result from a recent trip to N.M and A.Z. I find it quite fascinating and am looking forward to my next trip out. Do you have anymore reading recommendations?
@tamlandipper29
@tamlandipper29 2 жыл бұрын
Apache Wars. Interesting. Will go on the list.
@richardelliott9511
@richardelliott9511 2 жыл бұрын
These old west shooting videos are my favorite. Loved that background conversation betweem Karl and Russell. That long range blackpowder shooting conversation would make another good subject for a video. Great job! Except for my advancing years, I would love for Cowboy action shooting to move towards this style of matches.
@quldquodtues1935
@quldquodtues1935 2 жыл бұрын
The USA relied on numbers and not quality (until Korea) versus the enemy relying on quality and not numbers,
@iratezombiemann
@iratezombiemann 2 жыл бұрын
That is some really impressive shooting with these old guns. Bravo
@alexpavlakis9849
@alexpavlakis9849 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Karl, once again a Great video! Love these types, also I was curious do you know where Kevin got his cavalry boots? Or who made them? Looking for that exact type for both living history type things as well as period shooting matches, like sad and NASA. Thank you
@nicholaspharo7056
@nicholaspharo7056 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy this gents contributions Karl
@brianreed5839
@brianreed5839 2 жыл бұрын
Great content! And a bonus prize for the orange cone. ; )
@WalterBurton
@WalterBurton 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic.
@TheDecoyDude
@TheDecoyDude 2 жыл бұрын
Karl looks like a dollar store Tom Hardy from the revenant (btw that is a complement)
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
I hear that once in awhile.
@atune2682
@atune2682 Жыл бұрын
beautiful!
@iPervy
@iPervy 2 жыл бұрын
Didnt expect you guys to be smokin this whole episode haha
@ryanthorne5432
@ryanthorne5432 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how you bring the history of the West down to a personal level.
@hermatred572
@hermatred572 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@harperhellems3648
@harperhellems3648 2 жыл бұрын
Funny. Ammunition scarce in 1870, scarce 2021. Supply train issues then, supply train issues now. The more things change, the more they stay the same......
@bluebeard6189
@bluebeard6189 2 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that Karl stuff is always on it's like disadvantage to the norm. Against modern ARS he's running an AK. The only time he has an advantage is because Ian is always running what can only be described as equal parts awesome and weird equipment. I love these guys
@thelastjohnwayne
@thelastjohnwayne 2 жыл бұрын
The Stress test is not really fair for the GRANDPA Trooper
@ThaStrum
@ThaStrum 2 жыл бұрын
Man i love those trapdoor springfields really need to get me a replica someday.
@ryanvargas4889
@ryanvargas4889 2 жыл бұрын
“The Son” with Pierce Brosnan was an awesome period piece/series for those that enjoy this history. I recommend checking it out.
@dabluecaboose
@dabluecaboose 2 жыл бұрын
I like the part where Karl went cowboy bang bang
@GuntherRommel
@GuntherRommel 2 жыл бұрын
I'm having some serious deja vu here. Is this your second video with this gentleman?
@creekochee3592
@creekochee3592 2 жыл бұрын
Where might one find a pair of those Apache boots? I am very interested in getting a pair for myself as they look quite comfortable.
@trmalo
@trmalo 2 жыл бұрын
I look forward to your content. Thank you.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@EvilPandaGMan2
@EvilPandaGMan2 2 жыл бұрын
gr8 video
@landroamer1000
@landroamer1000 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Where do you get your reproduction clothing?
@caprise-music6722
@caprise-music6722 2 жыл бұрын
This is too interesting! History and entertainment
@crunchytheclown9694
@crunchytheclown9694 2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou karl and kevin, i think karls trapdoor was the star of the show, nice support rolls though guys
@steveross8326
@steveross8326 2 жыл бұрын
I'm from the UK.....don't know the 1st thing about firearms.....but this was really interesting.....thanx👍
@davidr2975
@davidr2975 2 жыл бұрын
Has any on ever fired the carbine with the 500 grain full power rifle load ? Does it recoil as bad as they say?
@gnarshread
@gnarshread 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more of Kevin on this channel.
@StrangerOman
@StrangerOman 2 жыл бұрын
I don't mind a repost, should have been long version to begin with. But to be fair, parted videos are a bit easier to sit through. But to be completely fair, matches, paired with history, damn, I can sit through the whole hour of content like this.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 2 жыл бұрын
That type of blunt spur is known as a Prussian Pattern . Add the old joke: Why are them Ridiing Boots? Weell, ever tried walking in them?
@davedunbar1555
@davedunbar1555 2 жыл бұрын
Finally found a copy of Mickey Free , read it & all I can say is WOW
@LYLEWOLD
@LYLEWOLD 2 жыл бұрын
"The aces of the aces of the trooper with a pistol" The vessel with the pestle holds the brew that is true.
@anthonyhayes1267
@anthonyhayes1267 2 жыл бұрын
The last movie I ever expected to see referenced in a KZfaq comment
@NeuKrofta
@NeuKrofta 2 жыл бұрын
Respect to grandpa running this course in full kit.
@adamsowers8957
@adamsowers8957 2 жыл бұрын
I fucking love this channel.
@richardelliott9511
@richardelliott9511 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. Kevin's stated engagement distances at the Greasy Grass are quite different than the short distances normally quoted, have I missed or misunderstood something all these years. I have understood that it was the short ranges of the battlefield that gave the Native Americans an advantage with there short range repeating arms over the troopers higher powered single shot rifles?
@guntotingnerd8830
@guntotingnerd8830 2 жыл бұрын
I need to know where to get those cavalry boots
@JaHa216
@JaHa216 2 жыл бұрын
Finally had time to watch this. Fantastic video, thank you very much. Noticed that Karl loaded his rifle with left hand and Kevin with right. Wondering was there a certain drill how to load the rifle, or could trooper do it how they find best? At least the British had a very precice drill ( Thanks, British Muzzleloaders)! 😁
@JaHa216
@JaHa216 2 жыл бұрын
Oops, got the hands wrong way round, sorry!
@richardelliott9511
@richardelliott9511 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. Even though I believe that Karl's manipulation was the most commonly used, Kevin was pulling ammo from the cartridge box on his left side so his movements would be better for that. I did find that Kevin's manipulation of the Trapdoor action also varried between shoot positions in ways to conserve his motions as one would study inorder to save time on the clock. I am curious about the accuracy of Kevin's gear, not sure I've seen pictures of troopers with both a Mills' belt and the cartridge box, seems like it might be more likely one or the other and of course he may have changed things up a bit for a competitive edge as we are are likely to do within the confines of a rule set. In any case a great study of the time period.
@RT81775
@RT81775 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Karl!
@alanmellon8957
@alanmellon8957 2 жыл бұрын
I just want to know where to get those apache boots
@Obskyre
@Obskyre 2 жыл бұрын
Could Karl give some more information on the Apache Boots he is wearing? They look awesome, would like to buy my own.
@SafetyProMalta
@SafetyProMalta 2 жыл бұрын
Been down to Fort Bowie fantastic area.
@kyleroth1025
@kyleroth1025 2 жыл бұрын
Comment and thumbs up.
@tyrthemaimed7957
@tyrthemaimed7957 2 жыл бұрын
Wait are most of the vignettes longer for patreons?
@captainscarlett1
@captainscarlett1 2 жыл бұрын
Karl, need to learn to pull 2 at a time from your belt. Also, bring the gun closer to the belt, where you're pulling the bullets out. Do it without looking, keeping your eyes on the enemy. You'll be able to do it faster and you'll be able to do it in the dark.
@jacobstaten2366
@jacobstaten2366 Жыл бұрын
If videogames wanted to make Western games more immersive, they would make clearing and loading each of these rounds a quick time event. This could make a very fun and tense game. I was really invested watching this match.
@justalurker3489
@justalurker3489 7 ай бұрын
Weirdly enough like the Star Wars Battlefront remakes? Where "reloading" (venting heat) allows you to time a button press to a spot to shorten the reload time, but if you miss it it takes longer, if you press nothing it reloads as well, but at a more moderate speed.
@jacobstaten2366
@jacobstaten2366 7 ай бұрын
@@justalurker3489 I think it was Gears of War that started that. I was thinking something even more involved, like doing it for each individual cartridge or each individual tap of the ram rod.
@justalurker3489
@justalurker3489 7 ай бұрын
@@jacobstaten2366 That might get too "Surgeon Simulator" for it to feel like you aren't fighting the controls
@jacobstaten2366
@jacobstaten2366 6 ай бұрын
@@justalurker3489 it would give you something to do instead of just cussing at the character for not doing it faster than you could in real life. It doesn't have to be super complicated, just enough to make you plan your shots more.
@trisgilmour
@trisgilmour 2 жыл бұрын
Cool 😎
@jeremypintsize7606
@jeremypintsize7606 2 жыл бұрын
An interesting video could be done comparing a Springfield 1873 vs a lebel 1886. On was superior but a Springfield 1873 was a governement isued rifle in US in 1886. It could show the gap betwen black and smokeless powder and the diference between a 8 shots tubular magazine rifle and a single shot one.
@roberthopwood3758
@roberthopwood3758 2 жыл бұрын
Kevin should put done stripes on his shirt. Then he could get someone else to lug that rock for him.
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