Damn we were almost to the big divergences from each other oh well nice video though

Are you reading or watching 7 deadly sins?

very much enjoyed it, it was lovely

Its back

Lowart is back doing more FullMetal Alchemist.

All three of them. The manga, 2003, and Brotherhood all offer something unique and are worth experiencing

All one of them you mean

@@stapuft But all is one and one is all^^

More FMA is always a good thing. You get to experience the same characters, in three stories! Three separate experiences. Just imagine how awesome it would be if you could experience any other Anime three separate times, as if watching it for the first. I actually like how the two Animes differ. People compare them, labeling one or the other better, but its smarter to treat them separately and enjoy the uniqueness of each of them separately.

They are both good I won't lie about that one but the 2003 one had me with an unsatisfied ending but I don't read the manga so idk if that was the true ending

You should be apart of my Brotherhood.

@That One Guy dude you got this all mixed up fma is obviously better than fma because of the in-depth detail of fma

MadTrax dude! FMA is totally better than FMA?! Have you lost your marbles friend?

People like you disgust me! Stop trolling! FMA is better than FMA.

The second layer of this joke is in Japan both adaptations are basically named FMA so this is a normal sentence there. I say "basically" because Brotherhood in Japan is titled Fullmetal Alchemist: FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST, yes all caps. Go on look it up.

It hurts tho

😭😭😭

Ohh noooo

😭😭😭😭😭

i love hughes, hes like old yasopp but cares about his baby

True, but I liked seeing Ed putting more work and effort and succeeding.

If I recall, Brotherhood cuts one piece of dialogue in the manga that DOES state there was also a written and interview portion of the exam. So this is where 2003 pulls from, it's not made up. Personally, I think it's even more impressive what he did in 2003. Because we see other alchemists, specifically one that struggles. Makes it more obvious how much gap there is between them and Ed. Instead of him pulling out a spear, which for all we know could be done by anyone. (Clap alchemy aside) Having that point of reference really helps sell how powerful he is.

Exactly wtf he on about "there's less brotherhood in brotherhood"

AbyssalRose oh ya that was...Ridicoulously HILARIOUS

If we only saw Brotherhood then people wouldn't count that as high of an anime moment as it is. FMA let you like Nina and fam, grew on them. It was devastating when it happened. Brotherhood was incredibly rushed. Killed the entire feel of it.

Who knows. That can easily be explained by bias of what you experienced first. There was a massive gap between the first series and Brotherhood. That moment had a lot of time to sink in and whether anything would have been as emotional is debatable. But still possible for that to be true. Those moments were meant to be much bigger in the arc of 2003 than it was for Brotherhood.

nO stOp nOt nInAaaa **cries**

@@Flaris Brotherhood killed off Nina and Hughes before giving you any time to get attached to the characters. You can look at how many episodes the characters were in to see that. Nina was killed off in the same episode that introduced her in brotherhood (episode 4) while in the original, we had more time to care for the character. Hughes similarly had very little screentime before his death in brotherhood as opposed to the original.

On other impactful for me was when that snake lady goes inside Al and the the old man walks up to Al and kills her, blood starts leaking out of his suit...

The first 10-15 eps of Brotherhood are just miserably bad, when compared to the same part of the story in the original anime. It's almost like they put in less effort than the original.

I can say the exact same.

@@Kujakuseki01 Completely disagree, I think Brotherhood does the character and world introductions FAR better. I think that's due to just generally better writing and directing, though, rather than the structure of the show necessarily.

@@Kujakuseki01 Wait, really? I loved every episode of Brotherhood, it hooked me immediately! I think that might just be a you problem.

@@Kujakuseki01 That just isn't true. The original series gave way more development to the early parts, but brotherhood executes almost everything else way better. For anyone who isn't already a fan of anime, those beginning episodes of the first anime are going to be "miserably bad" when compared to brotherhood. The payoff for certain side story elements may be there, but it isn't going to matter to someone who isn't already invested in the series. Brotherhood pulls those threads way more tactfully, although with less impact.

Same, I do not know why someone would have problem understanding it, to be honest...

Byun it’s pretty straightforward

I HATE when people say the first episode of brotherhood is bad. I think its a master class on how to present your main characters, the ideals they hold, and VERY subtle hinting that there could be a lot more to what we've been shown. It pulled me in, got my attention and made me interested. As for 03, after Liore i rapidly lost interest due to the overload of exposition on characters i was not fully interested in yet. I feel many, many people overlook basic film theory in regards to anime adaptations.

@@justinharris2272 Agree!! Especially with the basic film theory part. Brotherhood characters are way more complex, like Kimblee, Riza, Mustang or even Alphonse ;it talks about a lot of themes, even more than in the 03, but in a subtle way. In 03 everything its in your face, and also has a lot of episodes that fet like filler at the beginning , its hard to watch them.

I understood Brotherhood in its first couple of episodes. Lowart didn't say that he didn't comprehend it either. He was just confused about the hype surrounding Brotherhood, and I can understand that. Even without any background info you can tell that the show is on fast forward for the first 12-13 episodes. While you understand the concepts of the show, its hard to connect with the characters and digest the world. Some chapters/moments from the manga are even actively cut in the early episodes, which is super odd. This is because those chapters/moments were only in the story for distinct but important characterization purposes. Also, this adaptation is supposed to follow the manga more faithfully... so why cut these parts out? So, you kind are just passively watching Broho until you get to ep 14. This isn't awful, but it doesnt live up to the expectations the anime community has built up. I watched Brotherhood first, and was just kind of underwhelmed until ep 16. I'm just saying that I think there is a reason why the myth of Brotherhood is that it was created with the mindset that the audience watched 03 or the manga first. The director of Brotherhood rejected that notion a long time ago. Whether you believe him or not, the fact that people felt so weird about these episodes that they created this excuse in the first place and it stuck for so long is something else. Even now the myth persists.

When?

@@NitroIndigo Click on the time stamp.

Thanks.

Omg I haven't noticed that earlier XD It's like a subtle short joke!!!

ed’s coming for you...

its you!

@@jaceharrison7936 It is me? :)

Yet Brotherhood is the one on every top ten list due to side by side the quality shows.

@@Ratchetfan321 brotherhood is only on the top of every list because of time passing. People who grew up after a certain period generally only give a shit about newer content and have no context for older series that are not actively promoted, and FMA brotherhood is thus more likely for newer fans of anime to be accustomed to along with the manga compared to the original series. Its why all the "top 10 anime of all time" lists are just frustratingly anime of the current decade or those older anime lucky enough to be remembered by the general consciousness enough to remain relevant(jojo, dbz, naruto, hunter x hunter, ect). Nothing to do with quality. I could name off quite a few anime and manga that would never be on a top 10 list of the younger generation due to simply not having any knowledge of them but are just as good if not better than any on the list. There's also the problem of newer anime fans becoming far more insular and elitist over time. If it doesnt have to do with the manga, it automatically sucks. it doesnt matter what the actual quality of the content is, there is no distinction between "filler" and "anime original" content. its all bad and thus must always be dismissed.

@@MrInuhanyou123 That doesn't make sense at all, if the popularity is caused by the short period of time that has passed after its airing how you explain the popularity of Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Ghost In The Shell, etc.

You are a smart person. Humans like to choose 1 side and hate the other by default. Keep open mind mate :)

Nope, I like both. I just have a preference for Brotherhood, thus talk about it more.

I like both

Don't worry. I actually liked both versions as well.

I like some parts of '03 and some parts of brotherhood. Overall i like both equally

I dont know, but i love 03 ending more. Its more realistic. Brotherhood have a happy ending, but i dont feel it fits for it.

@@Imperfectio Anyone would say that 2003 is the example that with enough pressure pain and failures even Mc like Edward would give up.

@@scharger100 Yeah. I agree.

2003 had much more interesting themes and more mature message than brotherhood

@@Emerardo 2003: Realism tragedy doubts and Shonnen Mc giving up Brotherhood: Battles Hope Teamwork Bad luck Villains Power

Yup

Idk why man, but uhhh, i really didn't like fma:b, it has such a childish story, no character development, no good plot, rushed the beginning WHICH YOU SHOULD NEVER DO IN ANIME CAUSE IT LETS U GET ATTACHED TO CHARACTERS, still, it fucking sucks

@@linaetlinda5832 I don't even have words to describe how blatantly wrong you are. All I will say is give it a 2nd chance and if you still think all of that then I'm sorry you don't see how good the show is to each their own ig

@@barneystinson2781 I haven’t watched brotherhood yet but I honestly feel like the first is pack wit more emotion and dark moments

@@qq4954 seeing death of envy will crush your heart

also, Rose's appearance in the 2003 version is better. It not only makes more sense (since she lives in a very sunny town) but the colors used also complement each other better

I did that. No regrets XD

I can't watch FMA:B because the whole story changes and I want to keep my mind on the original 03.

Zlype why?

I disagree on the idea that you need to watch both. You really don't. They are both distinct enough that you can enjoy either and be perfectly satisfied knowing that version of the story. Now I do think you can enjoy both of them, no problem with that.

I'll give you 1 and 6 from the 03 version. I would totally disagree with 4, for me father is not only wy much better but has more sence in comparation with dante, specially in relation with greed and the other homunculus.Also number 5 is debatable, music from 03 is happier, in fmab music is more emotional. About Number 2, wll I thought the same but some friends and e tried to take the GOOD PARTS from 03 and wath them with fmab and, well in reality I think it is better in fmab

Can we also acknowledge that Kimblee from brotherhood is an interesting character that drives the plot in a natural way where as '03 Kimblee was just a racist who wanted to blow up brown folk.

@@victorqwilleran3331 I agree, lots of characters in 03 were pretty unidimentional.

Victor Qwilleran yeah Kimblee was actually a good character in brotherhood compared to fma 2003

the 03 anime focuses more on the evil of humanity and how cruel we can be, but brotherhood focuses more on the concept of god and how humans are in a constant struggle to become god themselves and the flaws that exist in perfection

I feel like the reason he wasn't immediately hooked is because he had already seen 2003 fma

@@samueltodd9815 didnt he say he did not see the original? That was his whole gripe

I read the manga first

Hard dissagree. The pacing in Brotherhood is just relentless and I can't imagine anyone who hasn't already seen the original or read the manga could follow anything that's happening

@@HermanFalckHow ive never consumed any fma media and was able to follow brotherhood with ease lmao. its literally 64 episodes the pacing is fine lol

BABIES ARENT BORN AFTER JUST FIVE MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!

Geeze, she thinks we're serious?

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I think the 2003 one wins because it feels truly special. It's to shounen anime what Evangelion is to mecha anime. Brotherhood looks a lot better and casual audiences always prefer happier endings so I can understand why some people would prefer Brotherhood and think that is the better story. But FMA sticks with you in ways Brotherhood doesn't. Definitely not bad. But it seems more like another dark shounen anime than the absolute gamechanger the original was.

@@HermanFalckHow Absolutely agree, while I think brotherhood is close, the original one was better, and not just because of the first half, but because of the second half as well

I can't agree to that. I really lost steam for the manga near the end. Even as I reread it I love everything until i get to the last arc where it just looses me. original FMA's climax, those last three episodes, grab me more.

Tell him I you just feel nostalgic for 2003

Don’t lie you just feel nostalgic for the 2003 anime which halfway through wasn’t even the creators intent

I completely agree, I literally feel the same exact way. I really enjoyed the 2003 version. It was dark and gives off the late 90’s/ early 2000’s vibe and is filled with dark and emotional moments

You my friend, like me, love the anime that adds atmosphere, mystery, excellent character development, dark sides, suffering and many more, i finished fma03 and i fucking loved it, the ending is good, the buildup is good and i personally think that everything about it was good, brotherhood gives out a friendly childish vibe which i'm a fan of to be exact but i respect others opinions.

bruh i dropped 2003 after 5 episodes it was so PAINFULLY boring holy shit

@@miyuu5313 Of course you'd say its boring after only watching the first 5 episodes. The start is basically the same as brotherhood except it's not rushed and has more content. You should atleast watch the rest of FMA first before giving you're opinion on it.

@@heroflame608 i’m not judging all of fma I’m just saying it was painfully boring to watch and if i can’t get pass the first 5 episodes i’m not watching anymore, i was honestly so disappointed that one of the greatest anime turned out to be that slow and boring but i got instantly hooked on brotherhood and i love it sm

They're slow.

I made a stupid mistake to rewatch "fmab" again. I watched it back at 2010 and rewatched it on 2015. it turns out that the first episodes were from fma 2003 and not brotherhood so I'm confused asf right now. the rest of the episodes were from fmab. it makes me wonder how I even switched up some episodes....

Because it has really awful pacing in the beginning since they assume you have already watched the original show and only need a refresher instead of redoing the story properly. In the original it all feels like one continous story while the opening 8 episodes of Brotherhood feels like an extended "Previously on"

@@HermanFalckHow really?

@@HermanFalckHow It was actually rushed due to time constraints since they were making the anime when the manga wasn't even finished and the period they had to finosh the anime in was too short. Something like that.

Why would you buy the same thing twice?

My DVD copies of FMA 2003 were when anime companies still did 3-4 episodes a disc. And while they still work, at that point I had watched the show enough to think I needed replacement discs. Correction-I actually only have the DVD "parts" collections of Brotherhood. I didn't not manage to grab an extra copy of that version before, sadly, Funimation lost the rights to both series. I have the original single volumes of the manga completed. However as soon as I learned Viz was releasing a hardcover version of the manga, as a huge fan of the series-I HAD to have the hardcover version! I love the Fullmetal Alchemist series as a whole to death, it means a lot to me.

@@AnimeFreakLucky7 Same I already have FMA manga but when I saw the hardcover, I had to get it them, I have two hardcovers now!. I'm a huge FMA fan but I am also a book collector and I love hardcovers, seeing manga in hardcover is rare and a bit expensive but if you are planning on keeping them forever, they will be worth it.

True. Although I wonder what determines a manga gets a hard cover edition. I only know of the following, and some these seems obscure FMA Emma: A Victorian Romance A Bride's Story The Jojo's Bizarre Adventure series Vinland Saga Berserk I'm very interested in picking up Berserk-but I heard its gonna be a 3-in-1 edition, not 2-in-1. Seems risky, if the binding isn't sturdy enough, 3 volumes of material might be too much and the book could fall a part. And they are charging, I think, $60 a book.

Brotherhood is the one that sucks, when compared to he 2003 original.

The most memorable memory of Al for me is when he was talking with Kimblee on the law of equivalent exchange

Also, he's more active and gets to fight more.

I agree. I think the 2003 version neglected Al. His role was smaller and near the end he started acting as if he wasn't as good at fighting or as smart as he had been claimed to be earlier. For example in the scene when Envy looking like Winry comes and fools him, and defeats him too easily. And yet... Somehow, even though Al is my favorite character, I can't dislike the 2003 anime. It was very deep and beautiful and had great atmosphere. I also loved the idea of another dimension. Idk, I love both versions are great imo.

It seems like if you didn't watch FMA03. I mean, it's there where the brothers have the most conflicts between them. When you talk about "character development" it is not about who makes plans, who leads or if they get separated (which is the real main reason for Al's having to deal with issues by himself in Brotherhood), but about emotional and psychological aspects that change for the character. That clearly happens throughout the whole FMA03 story, but the last episode leaves that so pristine that I can't even fathom how someone could say what you're stating.

@@erigor11 Character development doesn't have to come from conflict. Just because Al has more conflict with Ed doesn't mean he has more development. All of the points made by OP are legitimate. The point isn't that Al is more developed because he leads or makes plans, the point is that he was never the type to do that at the start of the show, but grows to be able to do so by the end. Also, a lot of the "development" in FMA03 is handled in such a way where it feels unnatural, especially towards the end. You're free to have your own thoughts on FMA03's ending, but I'd like to note that its ending is more frequently brought up against FMA03 rather than in favor of it.

Hits deep

Me too but the first 20 eps in FMA they did introduced new characters so well

sania shaikh yea I never had trouble with it either, and im not super easy to please or anything

Most people didn’t. He just had to make up shit to complain about.

I think it's totally valid to say you didn't have any problem with it, while also acknowledging that it was done better in the manga and 2003 anime. that's where I stand at least

@@lloydirving6209 Don’t need to acknowledge that.

And thank you for watching! :) I'm also always thankful that we have two great adaptations. It's rare for a story to get that, especially when one of them is so incredibly different from the source material.

The True Random Gamer and on top of that a wonderful live action Netflix movie. Just the best. 😚 👌🏻 no flaws whatsoever. The best. Like all live action anime adaptations.

@@Alex-tb5xm My sarcasm senses are tinkling

Rachel Ann Taylor hair dye I guess? Did that exist in their time?

@@hydrophobicwater5843 In Brotherhood or 03?

why was her skin two different colors

@@peachie6284 another good question, friend. Yes I’m replying fast because I’m pretty much always on YT…🥲

Yeah, both series have so many things going for them, and there are great arguments on both sides for which one is better :) I'm just happy that we have two different adaptations that are both so wonderful to experience

But the Live Action Movie. @@Lowart

oh no

Man do i wish that later down the line, they could make another adaptation, change the story up a bit for redundancy's sake and take all the good elements of both shows and leave the bad parts out.

@@bunsmasterbunny I unironically agree with You That movie was horrible

Brotherhood's Sloth always bored me. I gotta say I prefer how FMA 2003 did the homunculi.

@@dreamingblue3939 Yeah. It's crazy how great the original additions they made were. Envy being a half sibling, and then the poor fuck being used to force open the Gates. Classic.

Eh, it was good in theory but I think it was handled poorly. She looks exactly the same but Al only has a vague suspicion and Ed never even notices? How is that a thing? And it's used so cheaply. It's obvious to the viewer that's what's going on from really early on, but the characters don't learn about it until near the end of the show, which just leaves you feeling blueballed for like 40 episodes. Also, why is she Sloth? In fact, why are any of the homunculi named after the 7 deadly sins? The ones unique to 2003 don't even embody those sins at all. And why do they talk about it like 7 is the maximum when surely there could be more if someone else attempted a human transmutation while 7 were already alive? It's just lazily copying details over from the manga without even attempting to give them any meaning.

Has it been said why they are named after the 7 deadly sins in the manga? Isn't it just religious simbolism in all anime or manga?

@@eatplastic9133 Yeah it's pretty important to the story actually. I won't spoil it unless you want me to, but yeah, it has a point in the manga/Brotherhood.

Me as well

Yeah, brotherhood's way of executing the story & showing emotional scenes is kinda lame.. FMA was much more in-depth..

I liked how it kept hidden many parts stories hidden until near the end In FMA

@@georgeweeks2657 yeah, but FMA:B is completely messed up.. and some of the scene doesn't even make any sense..

We know that the spirit of the lil bro is bound to the armor so he must stay away from the water, there was not a single scene in FMA when we saw him near the water till the end when he himself became the philosopher's stone and jumped in the river.. But in the FMA:B from the very beginning (Ep4) elric brothers are enjoying rain often.. (there are lots of loop holes in FNA:B) we all know that the FMA:B gfx was better because, 2003 version was fully hand drawn but in some areas the old one did far-far better job in terms of visuals and the shape of the characters..

Agreed. There's plenty of anime I like from this decade , but a lot of them don't take their time the way 03, or even something like Read or Die do, where they take their time setting up and developing these characters. They feel like real people; they have days where exciting things happen, and days where they just do ordinary things like hang out with friends or run errands. There's more to it than what I'm talking about, but the point I'm trying to make is that a slower pace, while a slog to get through sometimes, is rewarding for anyone willing to give it a chance.

Yes! Some episodes at the beginning feel so wholesome! Like Ed's and Al's happy childhood memories before their mom died. Also seeing them with Nina is sweet and adorable but then that bastard Tucker fucks it up. Makes episode 7 even more horrifying and depressing.

@Dude Guy I think it's the lighting. They do a great job with having the sunlight play into scenes and give it this sort of radiant appearance. Almost every scene is absolutely bathed in light, in a way you notice every single shot. Compare that to brotherhood, where lighting is more of a background thing. It's there, and its shading is consistent with the surroundings, but you don't notice it. The original is so distinctive because lighting and light sources, something that's normally just a background thing in anime, is brought into the foreground. The colors in the original are also more saturated. If you look at scenes side by side, the colors in brotherhood are a lot more washed out and pale. It's not bad to look at, quite the opposite, but the original just looks so much more vibrant and vivid.

a lot of anime from the mid 2000's feels as if they're still trying to figure out digital animation. But 03's tone and general visual style just works so well for FMA and it's on of the things i prefer in 03 over broho

fuck off, 2003 had no warm feeling. Hajime no Ippo and fucking Papa ikki had warm fucking feeling. EVEN THE FUCKING SANTA LILY HAD A WARMER FUCKING FEELING. (fgo)

Figgy5119 I honestly think Brotherhood had better character developement

@@Dayz671 It did but people like to be contrarians and claim FMAB doesnt even hold a candle to FMA. While FMA is good it is by no means great and it has really slow pacing. FMAB is insanely fast in the beginning but hits its stride after the death of lust. FMAB is still god tier!!!

AlphaSeries181 I totally agree I thought FMAB had better character development I can see a whole lot more in it then just FMA but I agree with you

@@mccrillisnsiah You think that Avatar the last Airbender and One Piece are overrated? Do you mind like going into more detail about that because they seem to match the specific things they are praised on very well. One Piece may genuinely be the best world building in any piece of fiction ever, perhaps lesser than middler earth. Avatar is an incredibly well rounded show that has great world building and especially great character work on the secondary protagonists. Also no one praises DBZ for being great, they praise it because it almost single handedly inspired every manga that proceeds it.

@@breakpoint43 I feel like if FMAB had a beginning as well developed as FMA, then it might be seen as better

Brotherhood is... much more of a high-stakes shounen, where the world, and evil and good, matter much more than Ed and ESPECIALLY Al do. It focuses much more on worldbuilding and dramatic fights, but IMO it lacks the ability to create deapth in its characters due to its pace. Even later, it completely fails where 2003 turns Lust into a deuteragonist, and I damn near threw my computer when I saw Brotherhood's (and the manga's, I suppose) version of Sloth. No consequences, no growth, and none of the horrific implications.

That is to say, while Brotherhood does "get good", it gets good in a fundementally different way than 2003 is good, and personally, and I imagine for you, that isnt as interesting. And its not like 2003 gets bad- Dante is a great villian, as weird as the end and the movie get.

@@chloepechlaner7806 Thank you for the insight! Because I've always tried to convince myself (for damn near 10 years now, wow) that I'll eventually get into watching Brotherhood, I've always avoided looking for the main differences between the series, and I've always bought into the idea that most people pushed - that Brotherhood is just overall better in almost every way to the 2003 series. I was never able to get past the first 5 or so episodes though, so I've never known for sure. I'm grateful that there are some people like you and Lowart that are able to objectively say what you liked and disliked between all three versions of the story. I'm happy to know that I haven't missed out on as much as I originally thought I did, because to me, I always thought that the "Brotherhood" name signified greater character depth than the original, which is what I really fell in love with the series for.

Its great when you saw the start of 2003. And the tone is more lighthearted in a way. They are more ambition and pull it off. I still think its better and i like badass determinated crafty ed more.And less melodramatic. Itseven better when you know the introduction of 2003. Cutting rose to her base function is kinda nessesary to pull it off with reasonable pacing.

Honestly just skip like the first 13ish episodes. Go straight to Rush Valley where Ed and Al meet Ling. I know there are people who insist on sitting through all of it, but as someone who did exactly that I see no merit in waiting through those episodes because that essentially all it is... waiting through stuff that 2003 did better until the new stuff starts.

Thank you :) I'm happy you enjoyed it ^_^

Well, TO BE FAIR, the "Brotherhood" subtitle was a western invention. In Japan they just added the English title to the Japanese one. So the first series was called: Hagane no Renkinjutsushi And the second series was called: Hagane no Renkinjutsushi: Furumetaru Aruchemisto

Totally agree. FMAB splits the brothers for much of the series and has several episodes that barely have any Ed in it, you know Ed? The actual Fullmetal Alchemist that the show is named after?

@@ThePreciseClimber I dont know what you are smoking but that's not the English title.

@@stapuft Yes it is. In what world is Fullmetal Alchemist not the title of Fullmetal Alchemist?

stapuft I don't think you can read...

It’s just the opening dude. As you saw during the following episodes that scene is introduced

While Ed shows us how selfless and giving Humans can be.

And I was like: "Whatever. Ed now please make me a favor and try to use alchemy to attack her rather Than suffering from plot standinitis"

Did they say that in the show? I've seen it 4 times, but I can't remember that exact bit of dialogue. If they did and I'm misremembering then that slightly changes how I always viewed Dante. I read her more as she simply wants to avoid her own mortality, which is an instinct most creatures have, and, like most creatures, doing what she can to put it off, which I always though made her a more human and semi-sympathetic, or at least understandable villain.

Human nature isn't it. Just like most religions, for exampe Sunni and Shia of Islam believe basically in the same religion but hate each other due to some nuances.

then there's the "weirdos" like me who like both and don't give a shit about rivalry ✨😁🙏 (just don't talk shit about either)

@@giisellegaalvan1996 Both are great.......I even liked how brotherhood had exact same dialogues for some visually different scenes as the 2003's FMA.

I really hate it. You can like both since they are really different. They're almost separate genres. But it's such a bummer so many younger people went straight to Brotherhood which kinda just ruins a lot of the original for you. You're clearly meant to have watched FMA first, Brotherhood isn't a remake it's an adaptation. If you watch FMA, then Brotherhood and prefer Brotherhood I can understand your point. But everyone should watch FMA first. It's not like it's super dated or anything. It's still great and still super watchable and Brotherhood is meant to be watched after.

@@giisellegaalvan1996 same

Facts

Well that is obvious. Because the first you watch you watch with a different lense the second inevitebly becomes a round of "Oh this is different". That is kind of inevitable. But I think FMA is the better version to start with since like this guy is saying clearly the people who made Brotherhood assumed you'd have already seen the original. FMA at that time was one of the most popular animes ever and this was before streaming services etc so they didn't really assume anyone would ever watch Brotherhood first or even worse ONLY watch Brotherhood. Which is just a bummer. It's not bad! It's just not as special.

@@HermanFalckHow i think it's nostalgia

I disagree. I watched fma first and i just didn't like it. This was before I started watching brotherhood. Idk I just couldn't get hooked on fma. I watched brotherhood 3 years after i dropped fma and I loved it ❤ Honestly brotherhood just hooked me more and made me love the characters more. It especially made me love greed RIP Greed ❤

Not really. I watched 2003 first and loved it but I prefer Brotherhood by a mile. The Lord of the Rings is one of my favorite things in the world and FMAB really give me an LOTR vibes because of its massive adventure with a lot of character development for the whole cast.

Zack Akai the problem is most people (especially those who haven’t really watched anime before) don’t like committing to over 100 episodes of a show they might not even like.

@@super5aj123 Well, the original has fewer episodes. Problem solved. （￣︶￣）↗

@@super5aj123 the original had fewer episodes than Brotherhood plus a movie... It's not that long.

@@super5aj123 yeah, *total*. But that's over two separate shows, either one of which can theoretically be watched completely independently. The original is only 51 plus the movie, and chances are if you make it to the end of that and don't like it at least enough to want to keep watching, then you're probably not going to find Brotherhood significantly better.

yeah this video made me realize just how confusing the beginning of the show must have been for people who hadn't watch FMA 03 lmao

@Joseph Rabozzi The ending, though fitting with Fma's story just wasn't for me. It left me feeling empty, and because of that and a few other things Brotherhood is better in my opinion.

It wasn't confusing for me, I actually dropped 2003 FMA after a few episoded because it dragged sooooo much, then watched FMAB and had no problems really

@@0destino0x actually that is a great way to watch FMA. The 2003 version did pretty great job the first few episodes and The 2009 ver just gets better as the End.

Never confused me

Less vulnerable? what are you talking about Ed was constantly on the verge of death and had to sacrifice and self so many times

@@theoutsiderspost4982 That’s not the same as emotional vulnerability

You're never be "the only one" to like or dislike something.

@Fg 98 If I do, is that so horrible? Its got nothing to do with nostalgia and everything to do with what I personally like in my narrative fiction. Sometimes the manga is not better or worse than the anime, just different. What I like in manga is different from what I like in animation. Thats all there is to it for me

Feel the same as you. I like the direction of FMA03 better and lets not forget the OST is lightyears better than brother, way more powerful

@Fg 98 if anything you're nostalgia biased.

because Brotherhood is just a cliche, it does everything anime is criticized for and it just leans on it. Like almost every character is one dimensional.

I still think you have to be pretty heartless to not feel any sadness for Nina's death in Mangahood.

Not saying it isn't completely without merit-but it was so quick! Like most people-2003 was my first exposure to the series! I didn't start the manga til about 16. 2003's introduction episodes are still pretty solid. If it got you, that's cool-but it just didn't faze me. Again, the beginning episodes are super rushed to me. From Cornello to Lab 5 was done so well in 2003, then Brotherhood just flys through it! As a whole, FMA: Brotherhood is great-amazing even, all three versions of the story deserve a medal-Hiromu Arakawa created an amazing story-it will take a while before I ever find a story this good again!

Really now? I thought FMAB had waaay better pacing for a weekly series. Every early episode had a beginning, middle and end and didn't leave me with blue balls. I actually thought pacing got worse later, especially during the Promised Day arc. It felt like so very little was happening every week, it was excruciating.

Well, I guess the difference between you and me was I waited on the DVD releases, and watched in chucks instead of weekly. Plus, I'm a huge fan of the dub cast!

I think Brotherhood expected most of its audience to have already seen FMA 2003, so they didn’t really want to go in depth with the stuff that was already covered. It was only a six year difference between the two series, much shorter than some other anime sequel/remake series.

Same

Agreed

Omg same here!

Brother hood is not the same as 2003

@@elizabethdaniels9590 ok dumbfuck

I'm really happy you enjoyed it ^_^ Thank you for the kind words

It's pretty well foreshadowed if you pay attention.

Agree, killing a freaking homunculus in FMA 2003 felt really contrived : get the remains of the person they were based on, use alchemy to make them throw up red stones ... and THEN you CAN KILL THEM The animators seem to have realized they made it too freaking complicated and contrived to cut them down, as conqueror of shamballa adds the "sacrifice them to open the gate" Like seriously, when the sequel has to add a much less complex method to get rid of them shows that they made them a little bit OP in the resurrection department A minor doubt: yes they regenerate thanks to the red stones .. but DON'T THEY RUN OUT?

@@isauldron4337 How is that contrived? It's not convoluted at all it makes perfect sense.

@@bunsmasterbunny I'm just saying that having to find the original's remains is a kinda padded, nothing else Yes, it makes sense that they would be weak to their bases. . But it forces the plot to have to dig out bodies (don't they rot?)

I don't understand. How is it padded? Remains when buried last a long time. Bones and hair especially. Plus, they dug up a body in the Manga to test to see if it was their mother's remains or not as well.@@isauldron4337

Brotherhood is crap

@@eviltom1052 I see why you are evil.

Raffi Miah change my mind FMA03 >>> FMAB

@@eviltom1052 They will never understand ):

Armando C. It’s literally not better?

I disagree with Ed and Al's mother being Sloth as "out of place". I thought this too when I saw the show many years ago, but I realized something in my recent rewatch. The homunculi are likely meant to be the sins of their *creators*. At the very least, this applies to Wrath, Sloth, Pride (Bradley), Envy, and Lust. We see Dante say how proud of herself she is for creating Pride, an aging homunculus. Sloth can represent the brothers' unwillingness to move forward and onwards from their mothers' death. Wrath may represent Izumi's nature, though she's not quite as ill willed as the name implies. Envy could represent Hohenheim's jealousy of other people's happiness. He was jealous of those who still had their sons intact, and this could also apply to him being jealous of other people experiencing true love. After all, he says that he never loved in all his long life until he meant Trisha, and just filled the void with Dante. Lust obviously is Scar's brother lusting after his deceased fiance. Gluttony and Greed, assuming they were made by Dante, could theoretically represent her being a glutton for power and her avarice of thinking she deserves the world.

That's a pretty big stretch, for Sloth especially. On top of the fact that I wouldn't categorize an unwillingness to move on from someone's death as "sloth". Hell you could say they tried to bring their mother back out of envy more so than sloth, considering how much work they had to put into the process of trying to bring her back. In comparison, FMAB's homunculi were just done much better, given largely more characterization and development (though an argument could be made for Lust in the 2003 anime), and are much more fitting and poetic to their role/name. They way they were handled shows a higher level of forethought, because they actually had forethought. On top of that, it's never said that the homunculi in the 2003 anime are the sins of their creators. It's kind of like themes in movies. If you pick a random movie and a random word/theme, you can adjust your perspective to find that theme throughout the movie or other piece of media. With an altered perspective, I could say that the Ed and Al's mom should have also been Pride, as she was born because of Ed and Al's Pride and overconfidence as alchemists. On top of Envy, as I mentioned before - envy to have something they didn't have. Or, it was Greed, because they tried to cheat the laws of nature in order to acquire something. For the homunculi in FMAB, there's no vagueness or mistaking why they're named after the sin they're named after, and there's a poetic irony to each one. Even Sloth, despite being introduced so late. He was the embodiment of wasted/unused potential (which is what sloth essentially is) being that he was the fastest and most powerful homunculus, but was too lazy to make full use of it, and the irony is that despite his name, he was hard at work for decades digging that tunnel. The real irony was in their deaths. Sloth died while going all out at full speed. Pride died as a result of him throwing away his pride to try to take the body of a lowly human (which he said was beneath him), and Kimblee even called him out on this and helped take him down BECAUSE he was betraying his own pride (and Kimblee himself was a prideful individual). Lust died at the hands of a womanizer who was immune to her charm. Gluttony was literally eaten. Wrath was at peace, for the first time, in his final moments, and made peace with his life. Greed died as the result of a selfless self-sacrifice, with him literally giving up everything for someone else. Envy, the irony about Envy was that he died revealing his envy towards humans, while up until then he'd lived with the facade of despising them and acting like they were pathetic. Envy was also the only homunculus to take his own life, when people who are envious will desire someone else's life. And I mean, Ed and Al's mom being Sloth isn't the worst thing. It was kind of interesting of a concept that the homunculi were people who others tried to bring back from the dead, but then that begs the question of "What happens if... y'know, anyone tries to bring someone else back when there's already 7 homunculi alive? Will they create an... 8th deadly sin? Or does that mean that coincidentally there were only 7 people that others tried to resurrect, and each of them happened to line up with a different deadly sin somehow, and that no one else is gonna try to bring back anyone else and create an 8th homunculus to mess the whole thing up?"

@@Shin_FTW Nothing says that homunculi have to correspond to a sin in the 2003 show though. I've never got that "huh what if there's an 8th one" argument. Dante named them that. You could create a homunculus and name it Gary if you wanted. Nobody says it *has* to be named after one of the seven vices. Never understood this and I've heard it so many times throughout the years. And Sloth's name isn't a huge stretch. It doesn't have to be so literal. Also, Lust and Sloth are miles ahead of their FMAB counterparts. Lust amounts to nothing but an early-game boss character in Mangahood and they have something going on with her insisting that she *is* human, but nothing comes out of it. Because she dies 15 minutes later. And Sloth is just...Yeah. Bradley in 2003 is just the same as in Mangahood minus half of his character (i.e actually caring for his wife and shit), so yeah he's better in Mangahood. He still has that deadly and imposing presence in 2003, but he's just kind of that intimidating big bad that gets the badass showdown with Mustang in the end (which is a better fight than Scar vs Wrath not narratively but in how it was presented and directed, though that's a different debate). Wrath in 2003 vs Pride in FMAB goes to Pride probably because Wrath's whole shtick with calling Sloth "mom" is so cringeworthy. Not that Pride is very good or all that better than Wrath, but that thing there with Sloth is the straw that broke the camel's back. The Greed situation is the same as the Bradley stuff. Mangahood wins there. Gluttony is more or less the same but he doesn't have that "ironic" death there. Please ignore CoS. 2003 didn't focus on the Homunculi like Mangahood did, so I don't mind Bradley not having too much depth and Greed just being their to further Ed's own development. 2003 is for all intents and purposes just a tale of 2 brothers. But, even if Bradley and Greed are much better in Mangahood, I think that Lust's character and the conflict with Sloth more than makes up for it.

To me it doesn't matter who named them that. I mean, what if Dante had found an 8th one? Would they be Lust, Gluttony, Envy, Greed, Pride, Sloth, Wrath, and Gary? Even the 2003 anime set the precedent that there's a homunculi for every deadly sin. Only 7 homunculi are shown, each specifically named after a deadly sin, of which there are also 7. But of them all, only Lust, Greed, Envy, and Gluttony actually display the sin they're named after. They're the only ones who actually embody their sin. It's no coincidence that these same 4 homunculi are the ones who were established in the manga before the anime branched off to do its own thing, and that the 3 homunculi they did on their own just didn't seem to embody their deadly sin as well as the first 4. That's why those first 4 are the same sin as they are in Brotherhood, and so fitting. It's because the 2003 anime didn't make those ones up. With Sloth in 2003, it comes down to a simple "Does she embody the sin she's named after?". The answer is no, no she does not. Not as much thought was put into her being Sloth as Brotherhood's Sloth, and it can't be said that more character was put into her than into Brotherhood's Sloth because she's not actually Ed and Al's mom, so their mother's character doesn't count towards Sloth's. You can look at Brotherhood Sloth's character and understand exactly why he's sloth. In the 2003 anime, it's like Dante was like "Ok and... you can be Sloth because the other names were taken." The reason I called it a stretch is because the example you gave uses the same line of thinking that I used to justify her being called Envy, Pride, or Greed. If you broaden a definition enough, eventually it'll fit whatever you want. And yes, Lust got a bit more characterization in the 2003 anime (though the scene where Roy torched her was more badass than anything in the 2003 anime), or at least she was around longer, but if you're going to acknowledge her characterization and development, then you have to acknowledge the plethora of characterization and development in FMAB that's not present in the 2003 anime. Roy, Riza, Scar, Greed, Winry, Bradley, Alex, Envy, and hell EVERY character (no matter how minor) is relevant and plays a part in Brotherhood. Especially at the end, where characters who were introduced a while ago pitch in to help. The characters I just mentioned all get more personal growth and depth to them in Brotherhood. And then you have great characters like Ling, Old Man Fu, Captain Buccaneer, Kimblee, Pride, Olivier, Miles, and others who aren't even in the 2003 anime. The 2003 anime does do a good job with Ed and Al's relationship, but they don't do much development or characterization with anyone else in comparison, and it's not like FMAB has no development of Ed and Al's brotherly relationship, but it also does well with other relationships such as Riza and Roy, Ling and Lan Fan, Ed and Winry, and even Al and Mei. Plus, while the 2003 anime does the brotherly relationship a bit better, Brotherhood does the individual characters of Ed and Al better. They show more growth, especially Ed (physically and character-wise). With Bradley I wasn't as terrified of him as I was in Brotherhood. It's because they not only showed more of his terrifying skill, but they gave him a chilling air about him, especially because they introduced him as the bad guy early for us, so we actually had time to grow to fear him and see him grow as both a character and as a villain. That would've been lost if he was sprung as the bad guy at the end. There'd have been none of that, and in the 2003 anime there was indeed none of that. But in Brotherhood? When he slaughtered Greed, wrecked Lan Fan and was chasing her and Ling down, or when Ed came to see him talking with Winry or when he appointed Riza as his "guard", or when he stormed Central and was fighting LinGreed/Buccaneer/Old Man Fu? I was TERRIFIED of him. That version of Bradley displayed the most ferocity and skill in combat. He truly seemed untouchable. And yeah, everything about Wrath in the 2003 anime just felt off to me. He didn't really fit as Wrath and his character was just... annoying. Pride on the other hand is the stuff of nightmares. FMAB's Wrath managed to terrify me even more just because of his untouchable skill and killing ferocity, but Selim was just about as deadly and had that creepy child factor. Not only was Gluttony's death ironic in Brotherhood (I mean, how ironic for the one named GLuttony, who eats others and has a literally bottomless pit for a stomach, to die by being eaten?), but he is expanded upon more in Brotherhood as well. Same with Envy. I could be wrong, but I don't think he has any other form in the 2003 anime. I will give that the 2003 anime is the tale of 2 brothers. It does Ed and Al's relationship better, though Brotherhood does it pretty well too. The issue is, like I mentioned, it kinda shirks all the other characters and relationships. Those others don't get much development, and some get none at all, and then there's some amazing characters in Brotherhood that don't exist in the 2003 anime. LinGreed and Olivier in particular are phenomenal. Kimblee as well. Ling's speech to Greed when he ended with "Fool. If you turned your back on something you wanted, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO CALL YOURSELF GREED" was just one of the many powerful lines Brotherhood has to offer, and hands down the most powerful line between both series, not to mention the whole scene and emotion behind it. And then there was Ed's line to Winry about how her hands weren't meant to kill, but to give life. There being no actual Ed x Winry in the 2003 anime in itself was just a huge sin I couldn't forgive. Like I said/admitted, Lust did get more characterization due to her living longer (don't think she died in the 2003 anime now that I think of it, though Sloth didn't really leave much of an impact with me other than the shock of her being created from Ed and Al's failed attempt to bring back their mother), though her death was part of the most badass scene out of the two series, which also included the most heartbreaking scene of seeing Riza utterly break down when she thought Roy was dead, which also shows more depth and development of her character than the entirety of the 2003 anime did for her. Seeing how painfully vulnerable and human she was, after seeing her so calm, stoic, and collected, really stabbed at my heart and made me tear up for her. And in general, so much of Brotherhood made me tear up while in the 2003 anime, I think it was only the bits with Nina (and I think they still had Maes Hughes death/funeral in the 2003 anime), though both of those choke me up in Brotherhood too. Ed's face at the realization of the chimera being Nina and Alexander was still very chilling. I'd also agree that the fight between Bradley and Roy in 2003 was more entertaining than Bradley vs Scar in Brotherhood, but Bradley's other fights and instances of terror/badassness in Brotherhood ultimately take the cake for me. Though for a while I wasn't sure if Scar was actually gonna die or not. I think Rose being in love with Ed at the end of the 2003 anime may have been influenced by it being revealed in the manga that she had some kind of crush or feelings for him. It seemed to come out of nowhere all of a sudden at the end of the 2003 anime, but I think it may have been around that same time that Rose displayed some interest in him when Al and Winry met up with her and Hoenheim. ... HOENHEIM! I almost forgot! His character was done so much more justice in Brotherhood. I think I'd have to agree with people that he was the most interesting character in Brotherhood. He was out planning and doing so much. He showed a lot of growth and got plenty of characterization. His death was so sad, as was the scene when Ed finally called him "Father" while trying not to look like he was crying at the thought of his dad sacrificing himself to bring Al back, because Ed finally started to care about him when it was too late. And just the little clues here and there show how Brotherhood was thought out. Stuff that didn't make sense at the beginning, but when you have more of the info of the grand underlying plot, you look back and can go "Oh! Now it makes sense!". Like Maes not using the phone at Central, or how Xerxes ties in to everything. Hell I didn't even notice at first, but the VERY FIRST opening for FMAB isn't Ed, but a young Hoenheim and Xerxes. That's what the story's all about. And the whole thing about Amestris being created by Father/Dwarf in the Flask for the purpose of creating a giant transmutation circle just like in Xerxes is mindblowing once you find out and realize the whole country was created by and being run by the enemy for this purpose (which kinda hits close to home). That's why, while I give the 2003 anime credit for being a great tale about the 2 brothers and their relationship, and Lust, I gotta give pretty much everything else to Brotherhood. That and their goosebump-inducing Season 4 opening.

​@@Shin_FTW Yes, the manga original homunculi do indeed embody their sin better than the anime original ones. No one's debating this. All I said was that it certainly seems as if the intent was to tie the naming conventions back to the creators. Lust embodies her sin physically but there's a reason that she was made to be the dead fiance of Scar's brother. Envy obviously embodies his sin through his transformation power, but also as the (sort of) son of Hohenheim in that he was jealous of other's happy families. This is specifically made a point through the fact that it's repeated multiple times that he never loved Dante and had one true love in Trisha. The intent was obviously to bring it back to their concept of homunculi being failed human transmutations. Just because you can argue that Sloth could correspond to other sins through this naming convention doesn't make any of what I just said less true. Also, what do you mean he doesn't have any other form in the 2003 anime? Do you think he doesn't transform? Are you speaking of the fact that he doesn't have the bad CGI Monster Mash form (god, that CGI did not do the manga any justice)? I guess Envy does have that shitty dragon form from the movie but we uh, shouldn't talk about that movie. Why are you even asking the question of "what if Dante found an eighth one" anyway though? It's a thematic choice to have 7, and its a thematic choice to have them correspond to the sins of their creators. Surely after watching a whopping 51 episodes, you understood that one of the main themes if not the overall central theme of the show was "the sins we bare"? What with Tucker surviving and regretting his actions, the whole concept of the homunculi, the naming conventions, etc. Do you watch FLCL and complain that they didn't explain the intricacies of how robots came out of Naota's forehead? I'd argue that Envy's whole hatred of Hohenheim thing (that was brought up around episode 20 when they were still adapting the manga but placing chekhov's guns every once in a while) is a lot more interesting than what we got specifically from *him* alone in Brotherhood. But for furthering Roy's character, Envy is a lot better in Brotherhood. I'm also not sure quite why you're bringing up the fact that Brotherhood's supporting cast is much better than 2003's, which it is and which nobody is arguing against. I only commented as a note about the homunculi, I didn't start up a full scale defense on why I think the 2003 show is better. No one said anything about the supporting cast. I literally agree with every single thing you said about Brotherhood's side characters, except for Fu since he existed only to die and Olivier since she's just kind of okay. There's no point in comparing Hohenheim between the two series either. You might as well compare 2003's Wrath and Bradley. They're completely different characters, down to the way they talk and their mannerisms. He serves a different purpose and just really has the same face. It's not even like Roy, where they start relatively the same in the two series (though arguably as this video points out, the 2003 show depicts him as harsher) but become very different in the end. They're different people, Hohenheim of Light and Van Hohenheim. Also, it's a little bit disingenuous to lay out how Brotherhood is so thought out while just ignoring that the 2003 show had been placing chekhov's guns since day 1. Both shows did that and both shows benefitted from it. Yes, I too watched Brotherhood more than once and I too realized that the opening shows Hohenheim. I too watched the same piece of media as you and came to the conclusion that Brotherhood tells the story of the centuries old conflict between Hohenheim and the Dwarf in the Flask.

Ehhm no. Just no

2003 version was much more rushed and sloppy with a terrible ending*

bug a boo the ending was rushed but not the rest of it when they were still going off of the manga it felt like they put so much more depth into it they slowed it down and let the characters actually emote and think about the situation

@@bigpenny8223 the Manga and brotherhood are better

Kosta Danicic to me they’re all equal just different adaptations they all have a lot of merit

I prefer FMA over FMAB

FMA and CoS made me really sad

You are not the only one. I feel like they developed the characters better in the original.

fma is better

I do

People say that because of nostalgia

@@elriane94 Not necessarily. I only discovered FMA's existence a year ago- I never grew up watching it but 03 always struck me as more relatable and personal. Better character development and more realistic, flawed, and human characters. Just my opinion tho. They're both good shows.

@@AnHeC explain?

Hell yeah

No matter the addition, Scars brother stays suffering lol.

I have the saming feeling about brotherhood but with greed/ling instead

@@thatoneguy7915 yes but also wrath in mangahood is very good But brotherhood greed is better

I liked much that idea that alchemy is powered from souls dead in "our world" like place.

I really wasn't a fan of the idea of that. That makes everyone the show got us to care about straight up evil for using the souls of world war 1 vets to power their old broken radios. It also felt super rushed and weird. Like it ended before it began.

lol so basically you say that people who doesn't like the 03 version simply because they dont understand it

@Unpopular Opinions Brotherhood is still way better though.

I prefer FMA03 over brotherhood. I honestly cant even finish brotherhood its so annoying with the lame jokes forced in and the ninja just feeling so out of place

That’s just your nostalgia talking which is annoying because 2003 was a good anime but it was incomplete even with the movie

@@theoutsiderspost4982 idk, I love Fooly Cooly too which is very incomplete, so I guess that doesn't deter me from loving it (though I agree).