Would you sell Rashford? Like this comment if so, reply if not! 👇

Ralf said it. “Open heart surgery is needed”. The man knew what he was talking about.

Antony-scouts said worth 25,board paid 85. Paid 20k p/w we have him 120k p/w. That’s how poor Utd have been. Huge difference when we get qualified football people in rw ruitmwnt

I understand Ten Hag has been poor this season but, man, we’re in the second season of an “open heart surgery” rebuild with new part-owners, 6,000,000 injuries, and a squad comprised of players signed by 3 different managers and we expect him to compete for top 4 when there is EASILY 5-6 squads in the league better than ours, especially with our injury list. Not to mention we have literally one striker who’s in his first season, constantly injured defenders, underperforming older players (Casemiro, Varane, Rashford, etc.), and piss poor recruitment for the last 10+ years. Every manager post-SAF has failed, so why don’t we learn? Give him time and stop ditching a manager when soooo many other aspects of the club have to improve first.

Ronnie yet again speaking facts. Ten hag needs all his players to be absolutely world class or we're just expected to accept 1/10 performances against relegation battlers, bar Kane and de jong he's had every signing he's asked for and then there's the style of play thing we've seen this season 2 managers ange/emri both come to new clubs and get them playing a set style of attractive football. Ten hag has to go along side Antony and Rashford

Shouldn't the selling strategy just be the following? 1. Choose a style of play for the next decade. 2. Keep players who fit that style of play, and sell those that don't. 3. Gradually improve on the squad based on players' performance in that style of play.

Why are United scared to sell Rashford seriously ?? He’s overrated, overpaid, and has a bad attitude. He’s everything that’s wrong with the club. GET RID OF HIM NOW 💯

I believe in ten Haag honestly. Most of the players who has featured this season are not his players. i agree Anthony was a mistake. Rashford, Casemiro under-performing is not on the manager. These players conceding meaningless penalties are not on him. I do understand that we cannot see a pattern of play here but it is his 2nd season. had this been his 1st season we would have been okay with it. Are we really punishing the guy for having a good 1st season? I believe he should be given another season under the new structure.

You guys have short memories. Do you not remember Ajax saying sign Antony before a certain date, or the price be hiked? We had the chance at the beginning of the transfer window to buy him for like 30m waited to the end and got mugged. It's the clubs job to do better in the cost per player, and why do we wait till almost the last day to do business at stupid prices. Also, ETH wanted control of transfers as Ed was a idiot and he didn't want an idiot playing Fifa to pick our players

Our high wage bill is another sign of the board messing up. We have strangled managers by not being able to move players on.

It's genuinely insane how at the start of the season, we saw glaring issues with the way we played and how open our midfield was. We chalked it up to injuries, form and so on. But how bad of a manager do you have to be to not have any strategy to combat glaring weaknesses in your squad. How is it the last month of the season and we still lose to the same old shite that we saw against wolves and how hasnt he drilled anything into this team to combat it. Dealing with injuries and changing tactics is part and parcel of being a good manager/coach and this guys done fuck all about it. I say this while being ten hag in cos i want to see what this man will do without the excuses we gave him this season. Sink or swim for this guy next season.

wooow we missed Joe and his logic on paddock! well articulated points against the toy throwers

Sun tzu said every battle is won or lost before it has even began and on that note I’d suggest Erik Ten Hag’s decision not to even consider Ragnick is the very point he may have unwittingly sealed his own fate. Ragnick was saying things 2 years ago that were laughed off as the club patted him on the head and sent him packing, and yet here they are only now realising he was 100% correct.

Ronaldo’s pessimism and negativity is getting hard to listen to week in week out. He does speak facts though. I guess it’s just United getting hard to follow week in week out. Not his fault

Thank god Joe is back. Needed someone who sees the positive sides of Erik Ten Hag.

Thank god joe smith is back to inject some character into this channel

I missed the game this weekend and it was great to not feel hard done by & let down for the rest of the weekend 😅

Joe smith is easily best on this channel. I’ll be surprised if man doesn’t make a jump to mainstream soon

I'm not a lover of Ten Hag, but we've become immune to how much of a mess we are. Casemiro and Maguire as a CB partnership is bordering on laughable. Then Eriksen who can't run playing alongside a teenager in Kobee. In attack it's two raw kids and Antony. Oh and the left-back is a right-back and the right-back can't really play football. And the keeper has only been here six months. It's a fucking disaster and no manager would make much out of it.

If this story is correct it tells me that INEOS see the squad as the primary problem and they will give ETH another season under the new structure.

Why doesn’t everyone forget that United could’ve signed Antony for 30 mil if they just went in when Ajax set the date, but the glazers wouldn’t sanction it until it was too late and had to pay the 80 mil

This channel is watchable when they stick to football discussions. I don't need to know some story about the army for 50mins with the title of the video " Ten hag facing the sack"

The players still have the power. If no club comes in and matches, increases or even gets near their current earnings, then theres no chance theyre gonna leave. This summer is so important going forward. It sets the tone for future negotiations under the new regime

So were judging ten hag based on what? His entire defensive line is injured, he massively overperformed the previous season, he has to deal with player power, hes not accountable for overspending on transfers he suggested and at no point did he have a proper supportive structure to help recruit new talents. Now what he has brought is standards of discipline, make youth players breakthrough and dealt with more scandals, pressure and adversity than any premier league coach has. But sure, lets nail him to the ground and try to replace him with yet another rebuild project. How about ask the question first, how many of his selection players other than Antony who has actually caught good form now are even playing? Pretty much none because theyre either injured and have performed massively, theyre handicapped by the current style of play or because he hasnt had enough time yet to transform the club. Take those things into consideration before going on a witch hunt.

Manchester United incoming signings must go by a new rule. Your wages are lower until you do something. Do something and then you can get the high wage but no more Alexi Sanchez sitting on 375 a week doing fuck all

Also Ronaldo always bring up the worst statistically Eth has been since Fergie but ignores that Eth has the best win percentage of any manager

We've needed this for a long, long time. A good witch hunt at United. The 3 mentioned and maybe 1 or 2 others should stay, the rest we have to get rid. I feel a new attitude and a an opportunity to bring the club back to forgotten standards. Sir Jim is determined to overall the present stale atmosphere, and get things done. We have to back the club now and really get serious.

Makes me happy to hear that they are willing to sell majority of the squad. We’ve been needing it for years. Just keep the kids then bring on the right players around them.

I hope this doesn’t mean we r no longer ACTIVELY selling.. I mean FFS weve been actively selling for the last 10 years and never manage to sell anyone. We obviously hv to actively sell coz there’s zero incentive for player agents to do it!

Just don't sell Bruno ina good team he would be so much better

Absolutely delighted with this report. Until these players leave the club..no manager can succeed here. I'd ad martinez and dalot to the keep list along with garnacho mainno and hojlund. Rest can do one

Enough of these hangers on. Players need to be told now, you're not gonna get a single minute next season. Balls in your court, we'll support any move you find, that isn't a financial pisstake for the club.

Keep the manager and sort everything else first, selling players, docking salaries, getting the management in order, giving youngsters game time

Ronaldo spot on about the lack of pragmatism from Ten Hag. The amount of chances we give up isn't defensible.

James Ducker - a man who talks sense

Everything that Chelsea got out of Thiago Silva, I thought we’d get out of Casemiro. I get that cbs can prolong their careers more than a midfielder but to only get one season out of Casemiro is crazy. Plus with all the sport science 28-32 should still be ur prime years. I personally don’t think it’s a lack of ability from Casemiro, I think it’s a lack of care. For me his penalty sums this up

I really got fooled by that important thing to say 😂as soon as I heard manscape 😂😂😂jay u got me

Welcome back Joe❤ Ronaldo is frustrating when he misses logic

Joe, Arsenal did not get worse. They constantly improved their points and performance each season. Same with Liverpool, City and Villa with all them new managers.

I think it's been clear from last season he wants his team to play high energy front foot football. Ideally he'd have had martinez fit and a better ball playing CB like pavard squeezing up and closing the space down. Unfortunately he's not had the CB players to do that. So he's almost creating the space deliberately because if the CB can't play higher up the pitch. So in an ideal world next season he gets the right additions in defence and midfield + a striker that can actually put away the 100 chances that bruno supplies then we are laughing. Because the front players are already accustomed to running, pressing, closing down and the gap behind them in far smaller.

The only ones that should stay for now IMO Fernandes Onana Martinez Hojlund Mainoo Garnacho

The greatness of the Fergie years of United was the spine all players learn from previous players

It would also be interesting to see if any United player had special things written into their contract. Like certain amount of minutes or game time

It's clear there are a few Twilight players on there last legs in a very intense league injury prone players and players that carry baggage and controversy. We have seen smaller teams come to united and run us off the park and they cost a third of the price. Sprinkle some magic dust with some talent we may have a team.

Great discussion lads

In order to achieve long term succession we need a style that can progress. Seeing the short comings in the squad by playing an ‘advanced’ style highlights the recruitment needs. If we paper over the cracks by playing a primitive style, then it will never be clear where our recruitment strategy is to be focused and the long term success becomes even further away.

It needs to happen, it's time for a drastic change from top to bottom.

@FullTimeDevils Can you objectively make a comparison between Ten Hag's first 2 seasons with Pep, Klopp and Arteta. Please highlight the players Pep, Klopp and Arteta inherited from previous managers and how many of them left the club on 1st transfer and how many more came in and left in subsequent transfer windows. How many seasons it took for them to completely overhaul the team to their preference. Considering Man City had title winning team for Pep take over. Klopp had a mixed squad of Coutinho, Can, Lallana, Skrtel and so on. They had finished 6th before Klopp took over. Arteta had Aubameyang, Lacazete, David Luiz, Ozil and so on. Class and quality players nonetheless. 2020 Arsenal finished 8th, 2021 5th , 2022 2nd. Clear improvement and he was backed by the board. They didnt sack him just coz the fans wanted to sack. Us. Man Utd fans are just being influenced by the the media to get another manager sacked. This is no different than Mourinho and Ole times. Also, please mention the FFP constraint that Man Utd had to work with this season. Back-to-back FA Cup finals in his first 2 seasons is no fluke. Winning League Cup was no fluke. If someone with a team injuries totalling 60-65 this season alone can still get to FA Cup Final, i say give him another year with proper players.

Ronaldo has been the only one keeping it honest for a few months now, Joe keeps moving the goal posts in his arguments.

Dalot.Mainoo.Rasmus and Garnacho should be the only untouchables at Utd.The rest can go and i would'nt miss them.

So from this conversation we have worked out that Joe has an opinion of someone who thinks that the manager who ever it may be needs to be given time and have an understanding of situations might not always go to plan straight away. Where Ronaldo is like a lot of United "Fans" who believe that the moment a team starts to struggle, then there can be no progress and so start over again. With this kind of feeling then Jay's feeling of crying when we next win the league will never actually become a reality, because it just won't happen. Give a manager 5 years who ever it may be and just back however they are doing

I think this is a subtle sign INEOS either want to stick with ETH or already have his succesor lined up. To sell a bunch of players without the Manager's assent is unlikely

Bruno, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojland, Dalot and Onana should be kept. Major tournament coming up in the summer and it’s typically tricky to get deals done during that period especially if we don’t retain ETH and need to understand a new managers wants and needs for the squad We were scared of buying rice for the fee, it would have felt cheap based on form shown for Arsenal… and spent that much on Antony have to pick and choose where to splash the cash better and find good character’s who happen to be top level players. Not shiny things, flashy players with bad attitudes

The left back issue is a joke, I could see it happening. Sent Brendan and Alvaro out last minute. Imagine one of them played all those games where we’ve played dalot on the left.

In all the chat about ETH does everyone forget that in 89/90 Utd finished 13th and won FA Cup, 90/91 finished 6th and won ECWC. It took time for SAF to put his team together. Before we finished 2nd in 91/92 we were still playing players like Mal Donaghey and Ralph Milne. No disrespect to them, but not title winning players. Replaced them with the likes of Kanchelskis and Paul Parker and we get closer and win in 92/93. Give ETH time

If Ten Hag had one or two CB’s that can play the ball forward and take the ball under pressure, we’d see a much improved style of play. However, we only have one in the entire squad (Licha) and he’s been injured nearly all season. The same goes for Shaw. Nobody else is capable of playing out from the back. Look how much we improve particularly down the left side when Licha and Shaw are fit. We barely have an attack down the right and that’s because the likes of AWB and Dalot are not great at passing or carrying the ball forward. If we improved in this area we’d see a huge difference. Also, Casemiro’s legs have fallen off a cliff. That’s not Erik’s fault. Onana clattering people in the box and having a blunder every other week, not Erik’s fault. No consitency with refereeing, not Erik’s fault. A freakish amount of injuries, not Erik’s fault. Having one striker who’s 19 and has come from Italy to the premier league, not Erik’s fault. Rashford’s form falling off a cliff, not Erik’s fault. Club overpaying for Antony, not Erik’s fault. Give the man the resources he requires and he will take us back to the top.

If he's trying to do something different he's doing a good job, I still back him but I think we should be able to see what he's trying after two years. Hopefully with new players we can see it

Rashford is dreadful. I tell you someone up there loves him! 😂

I want to see half the squad gone and cleared out either way if the manager goes or not. If the manager goes and we keep the same players, then what's the point... going to be more the same.. its difficult now but lets back ETH under this new regime. Hes got 1 year left, let's see what he can do under ineos. At least we wont have to pay any compensation if we decide to part ways next year.

It’s honestly shocking how many players we’ve accumulated who are simply not good enough to be playing for this club. Defenders - We have 12, 2 on loan. The only ones good enough to stay are Martinez, Dalot and Shaw although he’s injured far too often and we don’t know if Malacia is going to be good enough. Varane is great but he’ll go in the Summer so that’s 3 out of 12 defenders who are at the level to be able to compete. Midfielders - We have 13, Bruno, Mainoo, Mount and Amad the only ones who are good enough, that’s 4 out of 13. Forwards - We have 8, Højlund, Garnacho the only players imo that are good enough. Rashfords playing as a LW and has 9 assists in 92 games, that is simply not good enough then there’s the constant drama and negativity he brings to the club, cash in on him. Anthony may be good enough as a squad player but not to start. Greenwood has the talent but not sure what Jim and co will do, so that’s 2 out of 8 who can start for us. That’s 9 players out of 33 players (imo). We are way behind with a huge overhaul needed, this will take 3 transfer windows to transform the squad. Scary how this has happened to us. Positive signs ahead though as it’s pretty clear the huge changes needed and Jim and co will or should be well aware of what’s needed.

What joe says at about 20 minutes in is what I’ve been saying. Last season we over achieved for where we thought we would after the garbage season before, he shouldn’t be punished for overachieving and then having issues outside of his control plague him all season. We are having last seasons problems this season and he should be allowed time under a proper structure and to see out his contract. Judge him when the club isn’t in turmoil. Back the manager. Sick of reading the same comments wishing him gone it’s shit.

Love the channel. I felt like this discussion forgot the point that every manager (as well as players) always look bad here, despite what they achieve before. Also, the implicit assumption that everything that happened bad this year is down to the manager. I think you guys typically zoom out better! Felt that you guys should have completed the discussion about stubbornness versus pragmatism, and Joe's point about what would happen if ETH went more pragmatic. Felt like you guys were beginning to explore a very interesting point that not many people have talked about.

Top clubs identify when a player isn’t right for them anymore (or when the balance has tipped) while they’re still at their peak and sell them on for good money. We’ve been hanging on to them and letting them go on a free when they’re busted and/or have slumped so much on form they’re virtually worthless. It’s not sustainable. And if we’re going to have a fire sale, I can’t think of a better time.

Rashford and Shaw 2022/23 was so good. Left side is weak now

Completely agree with Ronaldo all Ten Hag has done is played the same formation and tactics every game regardless of who is available or who we are facing

I kept saying last season that we'd overachieved

We look at other clubs from the outside -in, we have years worth of stats for the likes Liverpool and arsenal, all we see is a progression in position finishes, and we may have watched them on a super Sunday and say they looked good against a top 6 side, but theres a reason they finished outside the top 6.. where we live and breath united , emotions are involved, so week to week we feel it , its shit. we just need to go all in over 5 years , build a team not just a squad.

Rashy or no Rashy? That's a symptom not the cause. We need to stop signing players with minimum playing time clauses, everyone must be droppable on form. And we need to stop giving mega wages which stops us from being able to move players on.

See Ronaldo says be more pragmatic, bt how do u think the crowd wld react if we played a low block against Burnley at OT? Shurely this is the catch 22 of Utds season.

The ten Hag argument, while all your lads points are valid, you all missed the biggest point. These players are doing to him what they do to every boss every 18 months. No gaffer on earth wants his team to be defensively open, play low intensity, lose the ball and not feed his only available striker. This. THIS is precisely why I'm ten Hag in for another season till this squad is 100% Erik's (after releasing problematic players like Rashford). His first season showed us what we can do when players put in just 80% effort

We were far from good last season. Ffs. It’s a joke that last year is considered good at United now. Pathetic. This man isn’t good.

I’d keep Bruno Dalot Martinez Shaw Garnacho Mainoo Hojland Amad and Kambwala. Sell the rest and bring through the u21s and recruit well. There is some genuine top class talent coming through like Amass Lacey Ibragimov amongst others. Still excited about Utd.

Our midfield constantly being run through makes me think he’s clueless and yes maybe he did get away with it at Ajax because he had far better players than the opposition

Facts wrong arteta won fa cup in first season then two successive 8 th in league

At least the players will be recieving a 25% reduction in wages next season. After missing out on the champions league. Wages for top earners should be basic level £200k per week. If they qualify for champions league. Then add £50k+£75k. Give bonuses for every win. £15k to £20k. Wages should be increased for doing well. Paying high wages regardless is just crazy....

The ONLY argument I can make is that may be Ten Hag could have done better was don't do pragmatic approach last season instead of this this, essentially wasting an year. Manager cannot be pragmatic over a season if he needs to implement a style of play within let's say 2 seasons. He needs to be pragmatic in game to counter the tactics of other manager. Unless he keeps playing the system he wants to implement, he will never be able to find out which players are going to fit the style of play. Fixing the squad should be based on the style of players. I believe, There are very few "bad" players in prem. It's only players who fits or who doesn't fit a system or style of play.

You can be overwhelmed too

So refreshing to hear Joe's views on Ten Hag. Fed up of all the "get him out" - I've yet to hear a convincing argument for why they want him out.

Why do people blame ten hag for Casemiro heading the ball into the air and onana smashing the attacker in the face? That and Garnacho popes finishing and decision making(he’s a kid,it happens so fine but not on manager who is letting him learn and grow). We have lost leads and games because of poor finishing,players switching off and being lazy. That’s not on the manager as it wasn’t on Jose or ole before him. Watch this team improve when these players are gone for some with mentality and work ethic

Getting some of these players off the wage bill has to be the incentive? Will help bring financial balance to the squad

Yes but this clearance won't really happen.There will be no buyers who our mediocre players.

Ronaldo always spitting facts 👏

Who would pay 80m for Ashford n 20 for Casamiero?? Seriously???

We did sell Ronaldo for a profit, but we bought him at 17 years old

Brilliant decision, tell all your competitors that you want to get rid of all your players. I am sure you will get a good deal with those tactics😅

Looking at the remaining fixtures scares me

These guys NEVER call out RF. The one guy one has blatantly downed tools and he’s not mentioned during that section of the conversation 🤷‍♂️

Ronaldo please tell us how ten hag should set up “pragmatically”? It’s easy to say “you should do this” unless there is actually another way to play. The squad has been decimated by injuries, add to that the serious lack of talent we possess, the toxicity of player power that definitely exists, the guy had zero chance of doing more than he has. You are naive to think the this is on the coach

Maybe takes a while for the style of play to be successful. But we haven’t seen any style of play all season! That’s the issue

If Guardiola or Arteta had been appointed at the start of this season they would have A walked away or or B done worse than we are doing now. It takes a strong mind to deal with the out and out shit show that's been going on at the club since mourinho walked in. Club in chaos and players basically just not giving a shit.

Joe is the man

40-50 for Rashford I’d be happy even drop him off for you.

ETH had to rebuild his team after losing quality players like Dejong VDB Ziyech etc. Give this man the structure and back him like Arsenal did with Arteta

I totally agree with Joe. People seem to forget how dire our football was under Mourinho, Ragnick and sometimes under Solskjaer. I can still remember AWB not able to pass the ball from the back at all. We are on the front foot more than we used to be. Ronaldo just doesn't want to give any credit to Ten Hag at all

Lol ManU fans thinking big teams are lineing up to pay 100plus mill plus big wages for your busts. The landscape of transfers has been changing. A foresee a lot of player’s disappointed with what clubs are willing to pay for them.

Has Joe been drinking pints of lager with G&T and Bailey's chaser?

Ronaldo talking in hindsight… gave Rashford a new contract after an unbelievable season and bought mount expecting these injuries??

The whole declan rice's missus thing is so weird. Why would people want to see him with someone they personally fancied more? Literally what is in it for them? It's just so bizarre.

Hi Jay, Remember the Meltdown quiz? The point still stands, if I didn't reveal the match results would you have even been able to tell apart the criticism of any of the 4 managers previously?

The main problem is sentimentalism for players like Rashford, Shaw, and Macquire. A lot of it is a shit attitude which was kinda cleared at first. These players and especially Rashford, when first came across this ruthless state of ten Hag, reacted to it. His ego did him good, he wanted to impress and he got his results. But that is the issue with Rashford and honestly with most players. It's not his fault he needs to get criticized and ridiculed before it hits him and he goes bonkers. But ita that within time if the culture is not upheld, which is conducted by the system, the shit attitude with sneak in and slowly stink the whole place out. Rashford got use to ten Hags dynamics, ten Hag got soft. Rashford took advantage of that and went on a mental holiday. That's why he comes out now and then to defend himself publicly. It's insecurity, about knowing the problem is you. And you think you should be protected for all that you have done for the club so then comes the entitlement. Which got fostered because we loved him. City loves their players too but can Foden afford to be like Rashford. Can Grealish? Can even de Bruyne or Halaand? And you tell me out the players I mentioned, who is even top 3 at the moment, and who deserves to be entitled. SAF wouldn't allow this, he would notice his love for Rashford is a weakness and stinks the place out. Ten Haag's mistake was actually not being as ruthless as he was last season. His blindsight was thinking, these players now get it. Even Bruno only started performing in the second half of the season. It's the culture, that needs to come from top to bottom, not middle to bottom or bottom to middle.