Like this comment if you think City are panicking and DESPERATE #115Charges 👀

City will not be punished properly because their owners have massive trade deals with the UK. This is exactly why state ownership isn't officially allowed.

16:40 ‘City complaining they are at a disadvantage because they don’t have history’ 🤣 😂😂😂

You can’t cheat your way through decades of history, well done Matt Lawton!

If Manchester United owners owned Vodafone that would be comparable but they don't and that's the difference. Man City owners own the actual companies they are asking to sponsor them & over inflating that sponsorship. That's absolutely nothing like the Vodafone deal.

First class stuff Paddock, great content.

The other club that supports Man City has to be Newcastle. Without any financial restrictions they could match City pound for pound.

Give Ineos time man ffs, they probably want a full on chat as a group with a new ceo, a new sporting director, a new technical director, Dave brailsford, SJR and ETH about the future direction and whether that’s right for ETH. Takes time that stuff and even if they decide to part ways, pay offs need to be agreed, for ETH and staff or new contact etc Ineos are doing things in the right way, to a certain extent in the SAF, David Gill era, they did it similar.

Who here supports the 115 charges?

I loved this interview man. Hearing the story from Matt had me in stitches😂

There is a simple answer. The Prem can set a limit of sponsorship as a percentage of the other total earnings of the club.That links it to true earnings and can be set in the FFP (or whatever they want to call it) regulations. You can still earn a billion a week from grandads airline, but you can not spend it all on new signings and wages.JOB DONE: Move on, now about these 115 charges…

The league should just boot them out of the premier league and refuse them access, drag the entire process out for years and just keep them out on the outskirts for the entire time then strip them of every single title & medal they won! They need to be as ruthless as they were with the super league!"

I think I was in the 20% of Manchester United fans who was feeling very positive going into that final. I even won £50 of the boys down the pub saying were win lol

The Guardian hasn't tried this hard to get someone sacked since Corbyn.

Great interview

"We know a decision hasn't been made" - no you don't

Fascinating interview. Loved it.

Brilliant interview Joe 👍

Superb interview. I loved every minute of it. Well done lads.

Congratulations to Joe and thanks to Matt for one of the most informative, engaging and entertaining interviews I've seen in a long time. And I don't mean only on this or other fan channels, I include the main stream media too. Wonderful stuff.

Gone are the days of extolling the prowess of our striker; today, the battleground is legal acumen.

If city get punished they will be the team who suffer, if they don't, any team who can spend a ridiculous amount will and ruin the PL and possibly the teams in the lower divisions.

Related party sponsorship is literally like moving money from one of your accounts to another. It’s left pocket right pocket.

.. Great interview. Cheers.

Great show and just loved the Ferggie show😂😂😂😂❤

I'm a City fan, and my speculation is this; It depends whether you want football to be a sport, or a business competition. The Premier League is a business. The Premier Leagues formation was a wealth grab, where the founding members of the Premier League got a bigger share of the revenues from Sky TV et cetera than non-Premier League members. The old football league used to be run on a more egalitarian, sporting competitive format. Where the richest clubs to some extent subsidised the poorest clubs, to make the leagues a more sporting level playing field. This meant that clubs like Nottingham Forest could come out of the 2nd division, win the first division and win the European cup. For not only was the English league and more sportingly even league, so was Europe. The European cup was just a European wide sporting competition, not the massive profit producing Champions League we have today. The Champions League and the Premier League created super wealthy clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, and others. Every year their bench was more valuable than most other teams whole team. And where Real Madrid and Barcelona would often have "Galactico" players for which was paid world-record prices. Since the Premier league Manchester United has broken the "record spend on a player record" more times than any other club in history. Manchester United would use its economic power to nobble opponents, such as Newcastle, by buying their star player for a record price, Andy Cole. Did Abramovich by Chelsea as a plaything, I'm not sure. His spending blew everybody else out of the water. But he also had a long term plan of stockpiling players throughout Europe, upon which he made money, but never played for Chelsea. Perhaps he saw a gap in the market. A lot of people thought the Sheikh had bought Manchester City as a plaything. More recently "sports washing". But the truth is, this is a BILLIONAIRE interested in diversifying his wealth production from oil, to other fields. In this case wealth production through sports ownership, not just in England, but 13 clubs throughout the world. This will be done by creating a brand through a major club, Manchester City, through the use of business best practice in every area of the club. Not just the best manager in the world, but the best in the world of physios, secretaries, CEOs, EVERYWHERE. This guy isn't motivated by image, religion, or anything else other than MAKING MONEY. This is nothing new. Harry Redknapp, I think, said a long time ago "if you look at the wage bills of any teams in the Premier league in a league table, the league table of wages virtually perfectly matches where the team will end up in the Premier League at the end of the "sporting" season. The Premier league is an ECONOMIC competition, to make the biggest profits, and through that produce the best football teams ever seen. The Premier League is already the European Super League. Throughout the league from top to bottom we have the best football athletes in the world. The Premier League is more competitive now, with the first time in its history a 3 horse race for winning the Premier league (2 within 2 weeks for 3 teams, and on the final day of the season for 2), than it's ever been. The champions league, less so. As the Premier league is economically crushing all the other European leagues. THIS is why so many of the old money clubs of Europe are desperate for the European Super League, because without that money trough they will become extinct. Look for example at Barcelona and all the other the old money clubs of Europe, they are becoming economically derelict. Show Sheikh Mansour is interested in nothing else but making money. This is one business competing with other businesses according to the rules. Competition Laws. LAW, trumps any organisation's rules in a country. So the Premier League can have any rules it wants, but if they do not comply to the law of the land, they are illegal in this country so they are null and void. City fans have been trying to explain this to other fans for years now. The old money clubs like Manchester United had a monopoly. Every year they created massive profits, every year they bought the best players, every year they won the best prize money, every year they created massive profits, every year they bought the best players, every year they won the best prize money, for 13 Premier League titles out of 18!!! Manchester United absolutely economically dominated the league, and through the economic domination dominated the league in 'sport' (well sport without a sporting chance). Teams like Leeds and Manchester City have lashed out the cash to trying catch United a couple of decades ago, and it almost broke both clubs. City have always been one of the biggest spenders in England's top flight, through which it amassed the 6th highest points tally in the history of the English top-flight. But United crushed as a business allcomers. United never had any limits on what they could spend, and nor did Arsenal Liverpool Blackburn and Chelsea. In 2021 The Premier League brought in the "Newcastle rule". A rule specifically designed to stymie Newcastle from using its newfound wealth to outcompete the old money businesses of United Liverpool and Arsenal. This is why Pep Guardiola said about the 115 charges "as Julius Caesar said there are no friends there are no enemies, there are only interests (economic)". The majority of clubs in the Premier league have got together and said "look, if we don't protect what we've got we will lose the lot, as these new billionaires run their clubs more efficiently and just blow us out of the water. So we will create this rule that stops Newcastle from financially doping the team, like United Arsenal Liverpool Blackburn and Chelsea did." Does this Premier league rule break England's business antimonopoly laws on competition? The lawyers will decide.

It’s easier for United to get better deals because they built up the club…they didn’t get these sponsorship deals handed to them…Liverpool and United build it up…

City suing the pl for rules they say they haven't broken

Great interview Joe

Brilliant interview and some very interesting issues discussed. I hope they throw the book at City. Any club that can effectively afford to field 2 very similar squads has to be questioned. Are they cheats? Who knows!

United grew organically

Everyone talks about how city play and how great it is but would they have those players if they have broken the rules could they have afforded those players if they have broken far play?

Send them down 115

That was brilliant...

Fergie Stories was great 😀

so thei main argument is: we have no history, it's not fair!!!

I mean seriously, they deserve to be relegated for this. But I can almost guarantee they will get off with fines and maybe a points deduction in the end. Fucking disgraceful

The only way this splits the premier league is if they have lined some pockets…

Why are we evening chatting shit about city on a fan channel, fuck em

As well as expulsion and removal of titles, if the charges are proven there should be consideration of finding City's owners unfit and compulsory sale of the club as happened to Chelsea.

Makes me sick what football has become I miss the 80s 90s early 2000s! Football changed when Roman took over Chelsea he started buying big breaking rules city took over city are deflecting '

Greedy 5 make me sick

All this could be negotiations behind the scenes about a new contract. A new contract would no doubt mean relinquishing some power.

So basically man city are the tories of the football world, giving deals to their mates

Irrespective of the City case, the PL is so corrupt, PSR is packaged as a way to keep the league competitive, it is the opposite, the elite clubs retain the balance of power and it is impossible to compete without selling your best players which stalls any progression and provides the other clubs with the media driven panic resulting in cut price bargains. Man Utd are in massive amounts of debt yet continue to be able to avoid any PSR issues. NUFC had the very furtherest example of a fair owner under Ashley who asset stripped the club and dismantled the academy, providing free advertising for Sports Direct and Castore deal with Sports Direct benefitted him personally and worth very little to the club. Where were the rules for fair ownership then? It is laughable.

why announce again he’s the manager !!! he’s the manager no club re announces he’s the manager do they, its like telling the tv licence twerps, “I don’t have a TV”, how many time do you have to say it. Why are you waiting for an announcement

If beating City on a one-off final to win a major trophy (his second trophy in as many years) is NOT a good enough reason to keep our current manager, i.e., if it doesn't highlight his credentials and skills in management and does NOT make up for the poor run in the league and all the other problems with the squad, which can also be laid at the door of that same manager, then what is the earthly point in addressing the structural issues with the way the football side of the club is being run? It's nonsense! Either they made the decision before the final, or they didn't, but if they didn't then what is the hold up? As this rumbles on it feels ever more likely, they will announce that Ten Hag's departure and there will be a backlash. Just how big a backlash will depend on whom they bring in. I don't think anyone will believe that this delay is really the result of a proper review of the situation and not a transparent way to mitigate the negative reaction from fans. So it had better not be Southgate after an early English exist from the Euros. If he wins it, that may stave off some but not all the outrage. But if he wins it, will he want to come tp United or take his team to the World cup...? I think Ineos are digging themselves a massive hole here. Keep the manager and you keep the fans onside. "Weathering the storm" as Ratcliffe might say, will get proper ugly. Trust is earned, NOT purchased from the Glazers.

I'm sure UEFA will have a say on this, need to abide by UEFA rules to compete in Europe.... unless City's end goal is a superleague 🤔🤯😂

Edwards refused to sack Fergie in 1989 and, said they were never going to sack him, it was the newspapers that were pushing for Alex Ferguson's sack

Wasn't Steinberg of The Guardian one of the journalists that was blacklisted?

We have a manager, in contact, no need to make a statement. Stop being drama Queens.

Brilliant stories

Is the IBIS superior on the GH7 to the S5 II

Easy you don't like the rules Go and play in your own league ( you create). Same thing w cups & super league now force to compete int hem...

I think the fairest and simplest solution is to give all man city trophies and players to man utd

Matt Lawton the unbiased journalist 👎 definitely a United PR man

"the premier league is brilliant" yeah while I loathe City's ownership and what they're doing, the Premier League are hoisted by their own petard here. They allowed these types of takeovers to go ahead, they allowed the Glazers to come and cripple a financially established club that could've otherwise kept City in check as a Premier League power, they allowed Roman to do his thing at Chelsea. This didn't suddenly come as a surprise to everyone, as Barney Ronay said in his column on it, you can't welcome with open arms an autocratic state ownership then be surprised when you have an unhappy/upset autocratic state that doesn't like the democratic approach to the governance of the Premier League.

PSR is based on accounting value no? Fair-value, arms length and independent valuation are well established concepts. Not sure how this holds water… am I blatantly missing something?

Surely this legal action is an admission of guilt over the 115 charges

I dont get this "It is worth what someone is willing to pay" argument, when the person willing to pay is literally the same person being paid. City have ruined this league and I can see me walking away from football before too long, it isnt the game I loved anymore, its a political tool

All the other clubs (or 18 of them anyway) should not turn up to play City. Let them maximum points or whatever and all the other clubs would be punished the same so it would even out for them.

The Premier League has now lost all confidence, this will destroy it, well done citeh

Seems like a top bloke this journalist, who finally is a Tier 1 journalist which maybe I missed being said at the beginning of the show!!

Maybe you should be looking at your own club and their problem's rather than other clubs problems

the only reason they would delay like this is if their waiting for southgate.

No financial restriction when Utd were top of the pile? 😂

City need to be relagated.. this is/will effect the whole footballing pryamid. Absolutely stinks, calling themselves the oppressed

I don't know what these channels will do if anything was said either way about Ten Hag. They love to just waffle on and speculate, speculate, speculate for two videos a day about the subject. It's not news anymore. People forget, saying nothing is also an answer.

Why did city bring this case if they haven't done anything wrong smells Trump like

Citys arguments about being at a disadvantage are absolutely pathetic. They amount to ‘reality is unfair to us so our lawyers will change that ‘

Why can’t united and Liverpool sell their own tv rights if city are able to do what they want? In fairness, even if they were and city get their way with this case now, city would end up getting a tv deal from the UAE that surpasses united and Liverpool anyway so what’s the point

He even put a deadline on hearing something at the end of the week, it's now Saturday so when are we going to hear something? These journalists know absolutely nothing. The athletic or nothing.

So the crux of it is City can’t receive any sponsorship from the Middle East because our owner is from the Middle East, but Arsenal Liverpool and Utd can have sponsorship from there, well that’s fair isn’t it? 10 clubs are owned by American owners who are trying to not only take over the premiership but have games played in the USA , they can’t bully City’s Arab owners and don’t like it, they’ve been trying to get rid of City for over 12 years and pushing the FA with all these BS charges, if people can’t see what’s going on then they really are dim.

Now Matt is going grey he is starting to look a bit like the owner of the Fun House Pat Sharp.

This is a tier 1 journalist!!!

Clubs Outgrowing EPL.

Be careful about hosting this journalist on the channel, I’ve heard some ‘bad’ things about him…

Joe, if you get away with your comments in this podcast you are a very lucky chap!

Red cartel as a wife, goes on a red cartel podcast. Surprise. Release which club gave you the private document about the hearing.

Got a parlay going before the final United Real Madrid Mavs win nba $15 in win $1252 Come on son

Explaining all on a red cartel supporting channel what a surprise

Super league push........

I think that we have to remember first that a sponsoring company have to look to their own finances and will not willy nilly sponsor a club in a sum which is not financially viable and to their own detriment. The 115 finish at 2018, not 2021. (Lawton should know better). and are to do with hiding the source of sponsorships. This current arbitration is to do with declared sponsorships. This latest APT rule was a naked attempt to stymie newcastle immediately after the takeover. The 115 is legally incompatible with the arbitration. The current rules keep the existing clubs at the top and others will never be able to spend to compete. Arsenal's ticket prices are double that of City.

City having a full tantrum

A reporter that actually seems, mildly likable. 😕

It’s easier for United because they built up the club…they didn’t get these sponsorship deals handed to them…Liverpool and United build it up…

City like to leave and should. Bye bye

manchester cheaty

Has Matt persued Pep as a known drug cheat? Don't recall seeing anything from him.

If City don't like the rules then leave it's simple go see Perez go build your super league and get on with it. Poor City everyone is picking on them.

Sour grapes over city success & dorminance, having bn minnows for decades

City will get away with it ...period! 😉

I thought Man United is the richest club in the EPL. Stop hating on City When Man United were dominating you guys did not blame that on money.

Look at the screen why are you looking around for all of the time. Is it Guilt is it

All other clubs should simultaneously bring lawsuits against City for loss of earnings due to City's cheating. Keep their lawyers busy.

Pay your billion pound debt, fix the roof, get the rats out the kitchen, update the training facilities. Fix your own glasshouse!

Times newspaper leaks confidential documents. Arsenal chief commercial officer Juliet slot married to Owen Slot Times journalist, fellow times journalist Matt Lawton(self confessed Arsenal fan) realeases information with one of the most one-sided articles you're ever likely to read. All honest above board journalism lol

You've got some amount of crap stuck on your fridge Matt 😂😂😂

Get Mkola on to slap up Joe

Joe is asking some stupid questions lol