That’s right!!!! Loud music, coffee and clowns who preach circus 🤡 church 🎪 garbage!! Unbiblical and not of God Almighty!!

God is good and Elevation is amazing! Love hearing the word of God from Steven Furtick.

@@chrizzle30 which word of which god? God Almighty doesn’t change His word for the preacher, the god of this world does.....😉😉

@@bradbashem5916 when was the Word changed at Elevation Church tho?

@@candace6893 when his preaching changes biblical truths, THATS when it was changed......you can be right with scripture 9 times and wrong 1 time and then you’re not speaking from God Almighty......discernment is very much needed

I would beg to say that most preachers preach about their thoughts and they use the Bible as their source. Everyone has their own interpretation of the Bible and they’re going to preach what they believe

Blake Taylor so are you saying that it’s good to preach what you think is true?

@@blaketaylor7317 2 Peter 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation The Bible means what is says. It must be in context with its original meaning as it was presented to the original audience. We cannot go abstract with Scripture to make it fit an agenda.

@Micah Blessing well I mean yeah you’re not going to preach what you think is false lol

@Jimmy Ruquet But regardless people are still going to preach what they understand to be true. Nobody interprets the Bible the exact same way, and a preacher is going to preach what he believes is the truth and there’s no getting around that fact

@Monica VanDeventer he wouldn't spare him embarrassment in order to rebuke him. Chandler was to soft with how he approached furtick.

It is below Washer to waste his time on a debate like this. Washer is a no non-sense man when it comes to standing on the authority of God. I doubt he would even accept an invitation like this..and if he did Washer would smoke him in a debate.

Washer wouldn't be this charismatic in his approach. Instead of Washer pointing out the issues he has with Furtick (or potentially even Chandler for that matter) Washer would spend his time preaching the Gospel and comparing it as the measure of Furticks success/failure. That said I dont believe Washer would attend an event like this because it does nothing to further the Kingdom of God and win souls for the Body of Christ.

Paul Washer can bring us to our knees...powerful for teaching to repent & follow Jesus Christ..I put my hand on Paul Washer..he is teaching TRUTH!!

@@leofogarty6590 PAUL WILL ABSOLUTELY SMOKE STEVEN..BUT WHAT I LOVE ABOUT PAUL IS "THE TRUTH" IS GIVEN. NO LUKEWARM THERE...WE NEED TO REPENT!!!! AND FOLLOW JESUS & WHAT HE CAME HERE FOR. PAUL WASHER COMES FROM THE SAME PLACE HE LIVES...HE COME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. GOD BLESS YOU!

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Amen

Drop the mic! Amen

Very true

It's a hallucination

Me too🤣

Ya. I got a chuckle out of it lol

Mark Driscoll is the one who chimed in...if this happened this year, he probably said it because he has distanced himself from the reformed community.

See how they care on the way to the bank.

@ELUSIVE - Jusa fan of Fryer Jon "cookin" Kelvin tho, huh?....(5* K = temp at which human flesh melts)

Danielle Wilson Right on the target.

Colton Weeks Thoughtful of you, but the last thing I want to do is leave one religion (modern day evangelicalism) for another. I will keep my relationship with Christ and forego the circus of church. 💒

Ekklesia 7 In my experience, they know quite a bit of scripture, there’s just not a lot of humility to go with it. 💕

Danielle Wilson someone gets it

Danielle Wilson did you hear the whole thing and have you listened to Pastor Steven Furtick preach and are you aware of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he’s provided churches with to help reach communities during this COVID nightmare we live in? I’m not being cruel...what I’m saying is that simply talking about the body of Christ in a slanderous judgemental way off of a clip (or at all for that matter) is doing God’s job. We are the bride of Christ and a house divided against itself will not stand. I don’t know if your faith is in Jesus, but I would ask anyone who is, to consider their tone and contributions online because pointing out the issues doesn’t sow anything beneficial into God’s kingdom. We need to stand up and say “I’m sorry people of the world...for all who have been hurt by the church. I personally was hurt by churches and by all kinds of people in the fallen world we live in, but I have come to realize that people and God are 2 different things. So I now stand with my fellow believers, humbled, restored, and lovingly inviting you (and EVERYONE) back to join as one body.” Evil is against us and has nothing to offer except death and disease and brokenness. Jesus Christ will always be victorious even if a debate on KZfaq makes it seem otherwise. I challenge all to seek God, set aside whatever has happened to turn you away, and you’ll come to find He is the only one worthy of praise! Again, all this said in a kind and respectful tone, and because it needs to be said. I don’t want to be the one, but God has brought me thru Hell...thru tragedy and hardships that many will never have to experience thankfully! So my life is His forever and ever!! God bless you all!! ❤️

That’s great.. unless you also wanted to talk about stuff in the Old Testament.. in which case you would have had to wait 40 years to do so..

@@jacobburgin7472 Its not like you can read the Bible on your own, and watch other people talk about it?

@@Redsniperxrays yes but if that’s your church, and your pastor, you might want to actually go through some Old Testament stuff with your own pastor. I’m sure macarthurs was more in depth. if furtick had spent 40 years instead of 30 days going through the New Testament That would’ve gone more in depth than his 30 series as well-that’s kinda obvious lol. But to use that as a knock on Furtick is just really dumb bc that’s so obvious and expected

Sooo.... it might take someone 40 years to grasp the meat of the NT? 🤭🤭🤭 That's just sad. You ought to be able to read the NT daily and fully. It's not that complicated. Jesus Is pretty clear and so were the disciples. The rest is decorative.

I read the NT in one day. Gotcsaved in less than a year. And been chewin on it for ten years. Insights are revealed in God's timing... not yours. ✌

He's a theological trainwreck biblically unqualified for ministry. He's a wanna be rock star cult leader for millennials. He's not a pastor.

Amen Erix!

Amen, Christianity was NEVER meant to be a building, that came when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of Rome, lt's the worst thing to happen to Christian worship for its method of worship is derived from the Greek areopagus and emphasizes a tier structure. It isn't 1st Century Christian worship where everyone was treated equally and each person was responsible for their own walk in faith.

Erix Eighty Music .... listen to John MacArthur...you will here PURE SCRIPTURAL TRUTH, not sugar coated & maybe will offend many...that is exactly fine with Paster John MacArthur..he came to tell the truth & if he didn’t offend anyone he is not doing what God placed in his heart! He speaks pure truth. God Bless you!

Kathleen Hannon I’m reading one of John macarthurs study bibles and I’m fascinated by a lot of his insight, you’re absolutely right when he said he isn’t afraid of preaching what God has put in him, he isn’t afraid of speaking the truth, I’m learning a lot from his teachings on the gospel but also praying and asking God for discernment and guidance through my reading so that I know what I’m reading is the truth

@@Steve_T14 Hi..so nice of you to reply to my comment. Pastor Johnny Mac is so on point. I too pray for discernment..So important to get the TRUTH! I have just order 4 books and can only read one at a time...lol...Feel free to reach out anytime..say hello..I will reply. I am looking for a Bible Study..one this gives us a good understanding of the time, geography, The Word!! Another Pastor I love is Allen Parr.."The Beat" on KZfaq..his vids are not long..his heart is precious..give him a good look..He is awesome. He is in Texas..his testimony is beautiful. Listen to him..you will be blessed..love to hear about John MacArthur's Bible Study..keep reading & building your personal relationship with Jesus & Im doing the same her..reach out..love to share our Lord with you. In Christ ✝️🙏💜

Sad to say the least.

Unfortunately so many of us Christians are more often influenced by the world and appearances than we are by the Holy Spirit and that leads us to preach from a purely legalistic point of view, which is the very thing Jesus spoke out against. There are more Pharisees in church today than there were in the time of Jesus' ministry, and that's why there's so much division amongst the body of Christ; the foot wants to tell what the hand should do, and the ear wants to tell what the nose should do. We have Christians debating amongst themselves, tearing eachother apart, instead of uniting under the Word of God. The lowliest excuse in defense of this spiritual cannibalism I've heard said was, "it's because we care about them and we want to help them", you don't even have to be a follower of Christ to see the utter hypocrisy in that. It's vanity; everything is vanity.

You're basically asking to see a massacre 🤣.

MacArthur will not waste his time on Furtick.

mac teaches faith plus works...also that you can take the mark of the beast and still go to heaven...….he teaches that salvation is a free gift but then in the same sentence he say it will cost you....he cant even get that right

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@@dianebillanes5713 Hi Diane.

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Steven Furtick, Jesus Freak.

Doesn't look like the same person that I've listen too. I just started watching him on CBN a couple years ago. They must've been some really old old broadcast. Wow.

Pastor?? I don't think so... motivational speaker more like it...

Now hes hooking up with the False King of Gospel Joel.

Yeah long way from Jesus.

@willpower242 Chandler and Furtick? They're false teachers and used by God? Uhh NO. Chandler wasn't bad until he got mixed up with the false Gospel Coalition.

ian vincent bucol that is true, Sir, but I would also add unto that by saying, “Our preaching of His gospel and declaring His glory is the building of the church itself, the body of Christ.” Your statement is good, because celebrity preachers are on the wrong paradigm. It’s not about numbers or popularity, it’s about the body of Christ itself, all the Christians that are trying to look upon the Lord Jesus, who died for them.

Mizael Mendez I got news for u... 99% of churches are just about the numbers... & DON’T preach the TRUTH or look NOTHING like the book of Acts... All these churches are STILL a part of their MAMA... the mother of harlots... the Catholic Church... show me different...😳

Truthseeker424 my friend that is not news to me. Those churchs that preach for merely numbers and entertainment are always there and are prevalent in their lack of theology and truth and abundance in lies and immorality. But then I say in reply, “Are those really churches?” Many say Lord, Lord but-you know the rest. I’m not referring to those man-made buildings, but I’m referring to the Church, the bride of Christ, that remnant, that few that will survive the wrath of God through His grace. We are talking about two different things.

don't forget making disciples...which builds the "church" body

Banter For Believers precisely...and that even more so!

Very very Well said. Heard one preacher whom I won't name in here mentioned in his one sermon how, Charles surgeon's in all his sermons brings the gospel of Jesus Christ in full effect. In all surgeons sermons. Gospel must be the only centrifugal driving force behind every Christian song, be it dealing with heart break, death , depression or be it a sermon from Nehemiah , revelations, four gospels Corinthians, genesis, Leviticus or even song of Solomon or proverbs. If it is anything deviating from it or watered down to cos it doesn't suit the mood the worship bands or pastors should rather start a country club and end it with Jesus name as a flavor. That can never be a church no matter how many ppl they can bring to justify it. They will all b filled with Goats.

@@1dropofblood amen! That's exactly right! It's all about Jesus, him crucified, buried, and resurrected. Nothing more, nothing less.

Happy BLESSED Passover

formeyousee Well Done!!! It is hard to believe the Americanized church has moved so far from God while our brothers and sisters around the world are being imprisoned, beaten, tortured, and even martyred for just a handful of pages of the Holy Scriptures. We have met the Laodicean church. To think the Godhead paid the Ultimate Price which has been taken So Lightly. HEARTBREAKING!!! May the Good Lord Continue to Call-Out His Bride from the worldly system that has infected His Church!!! Yes, even so Come Lord Jesus!!! May God have mercy on our collective souls!

The key word in this passage is SOUND doctrine. Steven is talking about separating all of the other doctrines that have come about with regard to how, when, where, why evangelism should be done. Much of it is rooted in selfish ambition that seeks to dispense condemnation over people instead of showing the truth of the Gospel. If the doctrine is sound, then no need to separate the two.

The Holy Spirit never hinders me from watching His sermons...

Me neither… not once

I ccould never get into his sermons

I could say the same about Matt. Speaks from the flesh with his hands

I can’t take him serious with his doctrine...

I can't take either of them seriously

How about we don’t just based on appearances?

Chandler is selling out to the CRT mob.

Furtick is an empty vessel who is willingly being used by the Holy spirit!

@@Wellness.Whole.Worthy huh?

I love both of them. And both are used for a specific type of group.

@@jmseven1 yeah, the lost that never get saved. They're a perfect group for Satan.

never0ending0faith thank you for saying that

Wow. Just wow. Leaders should be held to a higher standard. This is like a secular game show making them look like clowns.

They can show anything in front of cameras !

Stephen Rogers Church leaders aren’t holy angels who can’t sin. They have zero inability to not sin, just like every human. Nobody is perfect or will ever be perfect. One 1 person was perfect and that was Jesus. Pastors and church leaders are human just as the congregation. Just because they’re leader don’t mean they can’t still live in the world. Doesn’t mean they can’t go watch the new Star Wars movie or even go on a game show or concert. You need to change your views on that and be very careful the things you say about Gods people, especially ones who are anointed. Steven Furtick is very anointed and has brought a lot of people, including me through a lot of heavy battles.

Black Wolf i encourage you to go listen to people like David Wilkerson, Carter Conlon, Curry Blake, Reinhard Bonke, etc. They wouldn’t participate in this Tom Foolery. If you want to listen to worldly leaders then go ahead. At least you know what you are being fed. I dont dislike Steven Furtick really at all. He has some pretty good messages, at least a handful. But the spirit in us can lead us to seperation from the world in many ways, if we submit to it.

I typically think of a congregation as a church family and think of church as a sermon, preferably exegetic preaching, and this is obviously none of that so I think it's fine to call it an audience.

@@byronboydstun2222 Yeah the audience was mostly pastors from around the country that wanted to attend. I thought some of the segments in both Elephant Room 1 and 2 were good. Some were pretty bad though.

True, great point.

byron boydstun oh wow...dang

Good observation 👍🏼

There was no straw man. The critique of Furticks unbiblical church model are spot on

@@TheJpep2424 it was a textbook definition of straw man.

I flinched at that, too. Does he actually think it's a mark of responsible shepherding to blast through the entire New Testament in a month? smh

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He couldn't take the church through the New Testament in 30 years, God's Word is like God, unfathomable , if you lived 3 lifetimes you could never mine all of the treasures in God's Word, it's God breathed, not man breathed.

BoredAtWork2000 is agree, I think it also helps others to see there human side so not to put them on the lofty pedestal.

absolutely important for pastors to speak up to each other & bring it..bring the PURE TRUTH of JESUS...not the ego we all deal with all the time!

I think what is.. I'm going to say "fun" for lack of a better word... about this debate is that they ask a more light hearted question. The question asked is " preach to build church attendance vs. preach to build church attendees" which ultimately, the answer is Both. Every church should strive to bring new people in so that more people can come to know Jesus, but also make sure that the more mature believers are getting fed spiritually, and growing as well. And they know that, but I feel like this is basically like a debate club in a high school or college, where they make you pick a side even on an issue where both sides could be correct. More than likely, they brought them on and told them to pick any side and go with it. It doesn't really seem like its meant to be a challenge or even a means of accountability. I feel like its just a debate club for pastors lol. There are the black and white areas ( i.e foundational truths that christianity is based on --> The Gospel and things that should never be taken out of context) and the gray areas (which are things that no matter which side you take, is the Gospel and foundational truths of Jesus really affected. Questions like " preach to build church attendance vs. preach to build church attendees" is just a gray area. No matter which they are preaching for, as long as they are preaching the Gospel and the Truth of Jesus, it doesn't really matter which side you're taking. I would definitely agree with you that this video doesn't really gain anything, and may make them not look the greatest, but I think it's just because the topic isn't a hard hitting topic and just a random topic that isn't meant to come to any conclusion

Steven

GuitarJr56 check this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gJh8dcl6ssy3hn0.html

this was years ago tho

It is. Fruitless chatter

Bunch of heretics!

Demoss Negmorne Exactly.

@@banditlegal7452 Don't throw out "heretic" like that. Heresy is always revolved around how Christ is taught. Is he God? if not...then it's heresy. Everything else is up for debate. I don't believe they are heretics. I do believe these 3 guys specifically are unqualified for Pastoral Ministry.

@@evansavage7955 there are many ways to qualify teachers as heretics! You can find them out by what they they teach or what they don't teach for example, charismatic preachers replace the gospel of Christ as on to receive to through repentance and Faith in Jesus, then walk in obedience and sanctification by the guidance of the Holy Spirit in the word, but the charismatic preachers Preachers deliver wealth and health gospel. They said God wants to be wealthy and healthy.

Demoss Negmorne No, I agree with the OP that definition of heresy is ahistorical. Everything you mentioned is important, but are 2nd or 3rd order matters of debate. The word heresy is reserved for matters of first importance (theology proper, Christology). Don’t know as much about Noble, but the other two didn’t preach anything heretical. They are bad men, disqualified, liars, whatever you want to say about that is probably true. However I’ve had the word heretic thrown at me for not being a dispensationalist, which of course is asinine. Doesn’t do our core and mutual doctrinal beliefs any good by throwing that word around so casually. You mentioned their actions. their actions are certainly hypocritical, but not heretical as it’s defined throughout church history

Absolutely true!

Amen, these guys are making fun of God.

Right? Matt didn’t get angry which is more discipline then I think I could have had in his situation.

How old is this video?

@@bsaw00 I believe its about 8 years old. This is the first time Ive seen it though. I think Jesus would be pretty upset that Christianity is being reduced to this. But I dont wanna be preachy

@@CultofGrace Thanks. Looked like it was old.

I have been listening to Furtick for years, and listened to one of his books. I haven't heard anything close to Prosperity Preaching. Do you have a sermon I can go to for an example of what you mean?

@@eethal7481 prosperity preaching doesn't necessarily have to mean that God will make you rich monetarily. Many people seem to think this and then come to the defense of their favorite pastors and say "He/she never told me God will give me money if I give him money!" Prosperity could be of any kind really, it could be in health, relationships, marriages etc... So the main problem here is this, and I appreciate your question I truly do and will respect whatever decision you come to after this, but the problem is this- These pastors, usually the celebrity pastors who preach in megachurches will tell you these things like "blessings are right in your reach", or "God will open the doors of heaven and give you your hearts desires, marriages will be strengthen, prodigal sons will come home, your cancer will go away etc .... But you must practice obedience to him and sow a seed offering of this or that"- thats the real problem here, telling people things God hasn't promised. Infact God has promised us things are meant to get worse for us Christians before things get better. Now thats not to say God cant heal people or restore relationships or brings home your prodigal son or daughter, he can indeed but only if its in his will, it has to be at his word, not at the word of some hipster pastor on a stage wearing designer jeans and muscle t-shirts with all due respect to pastors of that particular sort. I hope this answered your question and like I said I respect whatever opinion you may have, all I ask is you stay in the word and be grounded because at the end of the day, its pastors like furtick who go home to a million dollar mansion to enjoy his steak and lobster dinner while common folks struggle to afford new school clothes for our kids. It can be easy to lose faith my friend, especially when these guys enjoy a life of luxery telling us we can have the same kind of life while God never promised us such, then we look to God to shake our fist in the air at him when our son has yet to come home from the crack house or our cancer made a comeback. Stay grounded my friend.

He looks so different

Lol, right!!! he went straight boy band backup singer with that hair👨‍🎤

Got that Joseph prince stylist no doubt.

I once had hair ! And similar . Once 😂😂

That is old . This video . Anyone know what year ? Think this was something called Elephant in the room if I'm not mistaken ? ..

ian paterson my thoughts as well.

Futick is a wolf too . I be doing rebuking If I were like a Chandler . Perhaps that was when he was somewhat sound .. I dunno

@@timsharpe6652 Have you seen the video where Chandler was invited to Furtik church as a guest speaker? Wow Chandler does a good job there. He wasn't invited back after that. I've seen your name in a few comments sections in regards to Christianity.

What a bizzare comment, nothing glorifying God here.

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Full video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLV7lsiKt5rQqXk.html

You're not going to get much depth on anything Scriptual from these guys.

Mordechai Jones lol true

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Amen

There are debates because theology matters.

You are exactly right Furtick I believe is headed for a train wreck because it’s his way or the highway the way he carries himself is that of a bad boy gangster or better than you I have been of and on for the last year listening his egotistical

I think when he says “my church” he just means the congregation he is in charge of ministering to. He’s just differentiating between the church he is the head pastor of verses the church that Matt Chandler is the head pastor of. If they both were to specifically say “God’s church” or “the Church” it would be really confusing to understand their conversation as a listener. But I totally agree with everything you've said. Amen!

Completely missed the point. A church will only be as biblical as the preaching. Biblical preaching is led by the Holy Spirit. Unbiblical churches are led by wanna be rock stars like Furtick.

Holy Spirit drives the pulpit, the pulpit drives the church

Come on - you must be able to understand that language in the context of a church

This Design Life Search KZfaq for “Elephant Room.”

Not a fan of his but please provide a link that leads to where you're getting this information. Thanks

You can't make this huge claim without evidence, otherwise what you said has no meaning.

@@harrykellett2061 camlhyde.com/blog/2020/3/5/its-time-to-walk-away-from-steven-furtick. You can find his clip here... He is a protégé of TD Jakes a well known modalist.....he says Jesus is changing forms at minimum he is denying Hebrews 8. But given his history and other comments he is a modalist.

@@tannermoldenhauer5876 1st John 5:7 & 5:8 is crystal clear on the 3 bearing witnesses & unto the linkage to also John 1:14. As word became flesh & dwelt among us. In conclusion someone should educate furtick on the "separation" when God forsake Christ on cross for our sin/s , as God can not come into contact with sin/s. I wonder what "form" answer Furtick would reply too if he was asked what "form" Jesus bore on cross when God "separated" from Christ. Good video on catching that as I pulled it up to see. They are "heretics" everywhere now days. God bless.

@The Simplicity of Autism Amen. Follow the money & it will always lead to a heretic sellout.

Sad... So sad isn't it... This is the New Culture in churches today. Really Sad.

@@josephdesouza4128 Sad indeed ..many of these Pastors are out because they got themselves in trouble..McDonald, Mark Driscoll, then Matt Chandler is with the apostate Southern Baptist bunch, Steven Furtick adds himself to the Bible every time he preaches, it is SAD, and what's SADDER is that TOO MANY listen to the ones still "Pastoring" -- like Steven Furtick.. We WERE warned in Scripture though about the "falling away" of the church into apostasy, and here we are! Jesus is coming for His Church/Bride SOON! Watch.. our redemption draws ever so nigh! \o/

Mary Mclocke what do you mean the apostate southern baptist?

yep, make the crowd go nuts.

Luke Hanson Please don’t take this like I’m trying to be too sarcastic or hateful. This is my perspective over the years as to what I feel like God has shown me personally when it comes to modern day church culture. By no means am I saying all churches are like this either - so there’s that. I think they mean apostate by the fact that these pastors and churches care more about image, having a Facebook marketed ministry, and being hip cool and relevant in today’s world and trying to draw in as many numbers as possible for what seems to be for the sake of their own ego. Not to mention that a lot of them in this group are reformed Calvinist which is a gross error when it comes to interpreting God’s character and colors everything else they believe and how they think (thus fully disabling the importance of human free will in our daily walks) I don’t hate them by any means, but when these churches should be teaching on stuff that The Fuel Project covers here on KZfaq in the series called Know Your Enemy, they just keep preaching the basic 2+2 equals 4 theology and never press into more depth because they only know what their religion of men theological seminaries taught them. A lot of the big churches are popular culture obsessed, cappuccino latte, “getting my house remodeled so please pray for me that it goes well” type churches these days. I think this is what they meant by apostate southern Baptist circuit

2011

I want to say this debate, called the Elephant Room, was in 2011

@@nathancoppinger6484 yeah as soon as i put this comment, I saw the actual debate in the next recommendation for after the video, and watch that, was pretty cool

He’s a heretic.

Should it matter if he watched the whole sermon?

@@Tater1722 yes, because people tsoe snippets from a sermon and cite it out of context. I'm speaking in general, not just this particular situation.

@@forg1vens1nner58 More likely than not, so are you. It just depends by which doctrine you judge by.

You are Loved What.? 😂 So most people are heretics?

+Bradley Young -- The word is jealous - if you're over 12, come ON.

Agenda it did have back then, my friend. i remember this video way back when...i believe it came out 2010 or 2011, it was supposed to be an ongoing series (i believe) called the Elephant Room...probably named by some clever reformed dude...but i digress. It was taken down shortly after it "aired" bc it became really controversial in the evangelical world, AND bc it was clear that the reformed dudes put it all together to gang up on t.d. jakes and furtick. it was impossible to find for a while...guess it's resurfaced since then...kinda funny. anyways, hope that gives you some context

Hence the name "Elephant Room"...get a bunch of reformed guys ganging up on 2 "blasphemers" and "false prophets" so they can all discuss the....elephant...in...the....room....bc...those guys are probably going to hell....right? anyways i digress again

Jamie Paull I was searching for a comment like this and I’m happy to see it towards the top of the section. A lot of division going on here in the vid and comments. And for what purpose? I have no idea. But you’re right. Jesus made it very plain for us. Love God, love people. I’m not saying knowledge is a bad thing, but I feel like we sometimes let our knowledge about God guide us, rather than our relationship with God. There is plenty to do with such little time to do it. And as long as other believers are spending time doctrine checking and scheduling times to bring people on broadcasts so they can rebuke them in public...what God has commanded us to do will take a lot longer to get done.

In clarity & in Totality, not sure what they are "trying to clarify" but (regardless) True "Christians/Disciples"=Christ Followers> are ALL appointed by God to tell others (IF) "others" idealogy/teaching/preaching does Not allign to Biblical Doctrine > "others" wrongdoings !!!! (Why) is this so important you may be thinking (because) Biblcial Doctrine is Not what you "think" or what anyone "thinks" > Biblical Doctrine is an Supreme Ordinance in "Reproof" of the "bearing witness"(see 1st John 5:7 & 5:8 in coalition to John 1:14 to Galitians 2:20 to John 3:3) in/through Gods Diety of Ordinance/Requirements of Power "Made Manifested" unto the foundation of the world!!! This is (why) > false teachers/pagans (NEED) to be "called out" in distorting Gods Word in representing a "false narrotive" to the masses, who have been granted a "pedestal" to false teach/preach in secular society. Its one thing to be a "false witness" , but its another to be a "false fitness" while distorting Gods Word in process to be manipulative & deceitful in leading (people who do seek truth) astray!!! Not everyone who teaches has a "good intention" unto the true "will of God" .... Reproof IS Always in order & in clarification unto Biblical Doctrine. & heres my proof not because i say so, but unto Gods say so ! >> 2 John 10 King James Version (KJV) 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2 John 9 King James Version (KJV) 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. The world has division (because) only few are "reproofed" in/through Biblical Doctrine, in what do i mean by this you may ask. The secular pagan churches have water downed the Gospel so much that Gods Spirit has left those churches because the church itself or in its appointed of who teaches/preaches at it does not Exhort Biblical Doctrine & thus people go to church as a "self ritual/feel good" thing Versus being seared by The Gospel Sword thereof unto the piercing of The Gospel in/through Biblical Doctrine of Ordinance unto Repentence, blood of Christ, confronting sin/s & dealing with sin/s, being "convicted of sin/s > by Holy Spirit, obtaining Gods Righteousness that IS holy spirit of God, & is new creature in this life in doing the will of God through Christ "made manifested" by the John 3:3 "conclusion" of being Born Again! Not pointing at anyone or anything in particular , just clarifying as to "why" Biblical Doctrine is so important in coalition to your response in that not everything is fairy dust, unicorns, & happy meals.... When dealing with something as serious as any persons "Eternal Salvation" & (why) in Totally unto > Gods Supreme Ordinance/Requirement/Doctrine of Gods Sovereign Diety Power of Existence. & this IS why the world is fallen & theres a "broad path" to the place of the gnashing of the teeth!

Jamie Paull I understand what you’re saying and I think you have the truest intentions of not wanting division in the church. However, every Christians must be rooted in the word. We must guard our thoughts and bring it captive under the feet of Jesus. You must test every beliefs to see if it’s worthy of the kingdom of God. This is why doctrine matters - it’s not about getting it right but by dying to ourselves and our cultural beliefs and carrying the cross after Jesus in obedience to the Father’s will.

Your right brother..... It's so carnal🤦

Even just debates in general are carnal 😞

@@colton7373 yeah, it kinda depends on the subject matter. Some sharpening comes from a healthy debate, if it's done in the right Spirit. But pastors should know better...

Whole heartily agree Luke!!!

Luke Price Please watch... “True vs False Christianity” kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gKd3psVoyNuac6M.html

WRONG, his anti-Christ Statement was made earlier this year. If you think that this tool of satan has progressed in the image of Christ, it's apparent that you have not, declaring the reality that you are as damaged and lost as furtick.

@@Testifydesignfactory who's anti christ statement and what was said? direct us to a link!

+Luke Price --Perhaps BEFORE he got mixed up with the (Social Justice) Gospel Coalition............

SCATESKIN comments here are hilarious!

Amen. It's was disturbing to watch

I burst into laughter at your comment! Yes!!!!!

@Trey Fontenetthe word "hell" is in the bible

@Trey Fontenet I thought you were saying the commenter was cursing.. the only word I can see in the comment that can be mistaken for a cuss word would be "hell". So I was just clearing that up. It wasn't really a big deal I was just clearing that up for some who may come across this comment.

2011 - "The Elephant Room" hosted by James MacDonald

scot pederson bingo! Boom baby!

LOL 😂

When they spill their innocent blood and let nails get shoved in their hands for it they can claim ownership of it.

JHolden73 exactly. What an insult to Christ, it’s HIS church, everything is HIS!!