Skyler VanDerwerken ah yes the ol’ grammar. Thanks for the correction!

I think the point being made is that Goretex is basically e-PTFE membrane + additional fabrics and the additional fabrics are actually what account for the majority of the difference. E.g paclite is a 2.5L fabrication, traditional is 2L, Pro is 3L etc… While all futurelight is 3L. Though I’m sure GoreTex probably does vary it’s membranes also, they don’t really allude to this being the case.

Haha that's awesome, go Utah!!!

Andrew Park That’s a good point about the no pressure inside a normal jacket. Having tested both materials now, I can say that the Futurelight is indeed more breathable. I’ve got a review on the flight series jacket specifically if you wanna check it out.

Can MTB hey gore-tex is still awesome!

k c I’ll have a full review of the jacket up in the next couple days here and I answer both of these questions. Stay tuned.

@@nuffersgear7315 nice look forward to it! Thanks for the effort really appreciate it!

How do you know which version is the shoes ?

Kacper no both fabrics were very waterproof, no noticeable leaking.

eitamar hoshen I’m probably not going to make a full video on that but I put the fabric over a flexible bottle and then put the clear container over the material. I poured water through a hole in the top and then squeezed the flexible bottle.

Jakuchu Ito I’m going to do a full review on the jacket specifically. From my tests though I’d doesn’t wet out. I haven’t had it get wet and windy but I could see that getting colder. I’ll address that all in my full review.

TBH it was compared in the test to the some Gore-tex pants I have, but it's the same type of Gore-tex you can find on the Patagonia Pluma or PowSlayer Jackets. There's been some in depth conversations about types of Gore-tex and how they compare to Futurelight in the other comments. Lots of info!

yeah you are right. they test it in this video and show how goretex does not allow air through, but will allow steam through meaning it is breathable while while being wind proof. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eKpdlKR3xr3Jop8.html

hi，28000 mm ， 20000 g/m2/24 is from gtx or gtx pro？？2L or 3L？？

I've read an interview with NF about Futureligt, and they mentioned "some compromise" on waterproofness compared to basic Gore-Tex 20,000mm, but an estimated breathability of "around 80,000". Make of that what you will.

hin0420 how does it feel compared with the gore?

blair elander yeah yeah yeah I’m aware. Haha

It’s basically identical, they only have one ‘thickness’ of membrane though. Also if I’m not mistaken the amount of stretch is different. I’m under the impression that Futurelight is the only one of this kind that incorporates stretchy seam tape.

@@jamesferguson8199 Ok, thank you for your answer ;) BTW Have you ever tested any ascentshell jacket? (for example from Outdoor Research)

@@exh8049 the interstellar is the only ascent shell I have tried but it was just at an outdoor show. In my part of the world Futurelight is much easier to get your hands on. Seems like a great option though and in theory the performance should be pretty similar despite the difference in price if you’re in the US.

@@jamesferguson8199 Ok, thanks again!

It doesn’t, it’s just the DWR

@@MFSHECKS Then the waterproofness as less to do with the actual fabric, and more to do with the DWR being used?

jonaswtf if you don’t properly wash your gore tex products the DWR doesn’t repel water off the face fabric. Also, the pores of the gore tex get clogged with skin oils, lotion, sun screen, and so on, causing your jacket to not breathe and trapping your body moisture in the jacket making it feel as if water is getting in when it’s just your sweat

Every membrane degrades after a while, especially in shoes, because it's more friction there. I found Gore-tex to be especially flimsy.

GoreTex never looses it’s waterproofing unless it’s torn

daan stam Pro. And as far as the denier goes I believe it’s 70. Futurelight denier varies from product to product.

You say that then use the Norvan as an example - Norvan uses Gore-Tex Shakedry. Which is probably the only worthwhile comparison in terms of fabric. The Flight has the lowest HH of the range and highest breathability vs Gore Pro which has the highest HH and mid tier breathability for their range (Active and Shakedry being more breathable). It's a cool review but kind of apples to oranges - If you manage to get your hands on a shakedry jacket, I'd be interested.

@@jamesferguson8199 Right that's what I was trying to explain in my comment. This is great information thank you. And yes, I don't have any shakedry fabric. If I did the comparison would have been much better. Thank you!

Nuffers Gear That’s fair dude - I was just saying there are actually about 4 types of Gore-Tex water proof fabrics (rather than two) for reference However you’re right in that Active and ShakeDry are probably the only worthwhile comparisons for running. Also both Active and Pro are technically 3L (Active - ShakeDry is 2L) - Not trying to bust balls it just helps understanding fabric properties/performance, plus it’s confusing as all hell. Love the content, think I’m about convinced to pull the trigger on a Futurelight jacket anyway.

James Ferguson no worries I totally appreciate the information. I’ve heard before that the 2 layer Gore-Tex is actually less breathable because they have to amp it up to get the same waterproofing in just two layers. Have you ever heard this or is it total bogus?

Nuffers Gear Nuffers Gear - Don’t worry there is TL;DR: So Original/Standard Gore-Tex is 2 layer in the sense that the face fabric has a membrane backing (aka it will need have a drop liner - the mesh that protects the membrane) - In this example yes you sacrifice RET and MVTR for the sake of HH and durability of the membrane, also DWR performance is super important. The use of ‘layers’ rarely has on impact on the waterproofing as the membrane is always just the one layer. However having 3 or 2.5 layers does allow you to be more creative as the membrane has better protection. (By trying to simplify their range Gore-Tex have actually made this discussion much more difficult - They don’t distinguish between 2 and 2.5 layers anymore - e.g. paclite would traditionally be considered 2.5L). All that being said, Shakedry turned everything on its head by having a ‘more durable’ external membrane with a material backing - I don’t think anyone would argue that this is by some way the most breathable shell Gore have ever produced. The reason this has never been done is because membranes are inherently fragile (though shakedry is more durable than most) which in turn means you can’t use these jackets with a pack etc otherwise they will break. Also you have to worry about DWR performance generally as, as soon as your outer fabric ‘wets out’ you loose all breathability etc anyway. By eternalising the membrane you negate the need for DWR as the outer fabric is now hydrophobic/waterproof by nature. TL;DL Generally, yes, 2L performance is worse due to manufacturers having to find ways of making them more durable. However, Gore-Tex sacrificed durability for outright performance in Active ShakeDry making it overall the most breathable fabric they produce. Think RET/MVTR vs HH/Durability the more you attempt to achieve on one side the more you loose on the other (this is grossly oversimplified but generally acceptable).

he's "pushing" air from INSIDE. The jackets are windproof (and waterproof) : pushing air from inside it's supposed to show breathability (supposed to)

@@madintheattic are sure that's not only supposed to work for "steam" / warm moist air, i.e. what happens when you sweat? AFAIK that's also the reason why GoreTex jackets get less breathable when they get wet?