FW 190 D Dora / TA 152

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FW 190 D Dora / TA 152

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15 жыл бұрын

Focke-wulf designed by the legendary Kurt Tank - One of the best fighters of WW2 the D variant of the FW 190..seen here are a few rare images

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@petercavellini3232 2 жыл бұрын

When you see what the Luftwaffe had for Air bases, that and the shortage of not just Fuel but spares, you have to admire their bravery in fighting a War they were losing.

@vickihunt3598 3 жыл бұрын

By far the best piston engined fighter plane during World War 11!!!

@profo4544 2 жыл бұрын

I know its a fact that after the war ended and when the british and americans came across abandoned Dora's we were quite impressed. Once we rigged them up to run on our high octane fuel they actually out performed every single seater we had. I know theres a d-13 in the US still in original shape. Not sure if it was one of the ones rigged up and tested but its def a fact, i know the d 13 had hydrolic ailerons, mustangs didnt even have that, and also the electric switch the germans had that negated the drawback of having guns behind the propeller was interesting to us to. Im pretty sure the k-4s also performed amazing. And i also think the doras were better engineered than mustangs. Allied pilots at first thought they had made somesort of small radial engine. It didnt need that underhanging scoop the mustang had that gave them some more drag, the Dora hit the parts cleverly. I personally like the d-9 and d-13's the best. Give a d-9 the hydrolic ailerons the d-13s had and even without the high octane fuel that would of reeked havoc, it would of given them rollrates better then antons. The d-13s were starting to acquire the stuff that ended up into the TA's like pressurized cockpits, the the engine that could go solid to 9k as opposed to the d-9s that could only go solid to really 6k. The d-13 was like a TA with a dora frame and better gun placement. The TA was a strict high altitude fighter, and it wasnt as good with bouncing targets as d-9s and d-13s were. American bombers and fighters werent breaking 30 thousand feet. The Ta's performed best at 9k alt wich is 30 thousand feet, but fights didnt stay there, once they went anywhere else the TAs lacked.

@Jbroker404 3 жыл бұрын

4:47 if you look closely you can see the BMW logo at the 6 o'clock position; same one they use today.

@FiveCentsPlease 3 жыл бұрын

+John Doe Yes, the BMW logo on the radial engined versions of the Ju-88. c8.alamy.com/comp/F29BW6/london-uk-14th-september-2015-junkers-ju88-german-bomber-with-bmw-F29BW6.jpg

@subinlim7598 3 жыл бұрын

How did you saw that? Its funny.

@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын

The Ta-152 was more a new-design aircraft than a continuation of the Dora series.

@kencohagen4967 3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know that. Thanks!

@FiveCentsPlease 3 жыл бұрын

@@kencohagen4967 Meaning that you can't just take a Dora and build a Ta-152 from it, although the early prototypes were converted from Dora airframes.

@princesofthepower3690 3 жыл бұрын

@@FiveCentsPlease Actually the Ta-152 , is just a modified 190 . They are pictures out there of 190 D-9’s with a 152’s tail on it .

@FiveCentsPlease 3 жыл бұрын

@@princesofthepower3690 The first Ta-152 prototypes were constructed from Fw-190D airframes. Although they share the same shape and basic layout, the production Ta-152 is a new aircraft and you could not build a Ta-152 from a Dora without difficulty. The late-war D-15 with a grafted Ta-152 tail was the last evolution of the Fw-190A series with rapid conversion into the long-nose variant with a DB-603 engine package and Ta-152 tails that could be sourced. Those shared more with the Ta-152C prototypes.

@kl0wnkiller912 3 жыл бұрын

The Ju-88 was one of the best aircraft of WW2. It served in nearly every capacity in the Luftwaffe and did it well. The original design was faster than the fighers of its day.

@YZ250W1 8 жыл бұрын

I believe this to be the best piston engine fighter of WWII. Awesome machine and beautiful too.

@sammcdonald769 7 жыл бұрын

V . I think the word you're looking for is sexy.

@lisagilmore342 6 жыл бұрын

Ta-152 best of ww2

@paulbantick8266 6 жыл бұрын

So any chance of sources to back that claim up? Please include actual combat records and any combats at height, instead of rumour and unsubstantiated 'facts'

@go-awayyy123 5 жыл бұрын

uh oh, looks like someone got rubbed the wrong way.

@paulbantick8266 5 жыл бұрын

Or perhaps Luftwaffe 'whatif' fanboys don't like a spanner in their historical myth. If you or anyone else have the information I and many others are looking for and I am asking for here, please post it. It's not being 'rubbed up the wrong way', it's giving a reality check.

@lauronsef1206 3 жыл бұрын

Underrated plane

@fridayray8891 3 жыл бұрын

Butcher bird plucked many supermarines

@SharkHustler Жыл бұрын

Tough-arse black-hearted snap-rolling Focke-Wulf _Spooken!_ ... The scourge of the skies over the _Viermot Pulke!_

@subinlim7598 3 жыл бұрын

I love Tank. Which is flying.

@tplyons5459 3 жыл бұрын

Might have been the best fighter of WW2. IT WAS the best

@chicuongvu1806 3 жыл бұрын

Spitfire : bruh

@erjonjoni1434 2 жыл бұрын

Pay attention to 2:30 mark that pothole almost too that guy out. Very visible slowed him down Tail went up+5 degrees. I can’t tell is Bf109 or Fw190.

@opoxious1592 4 жыл бұрын

WOW! Just look at the BMW brand behind the propellor 👍🏻 (3:50)

@stefanwiebers9991 3 жыл бұрын

Its the same Brand of Today .

@opoxious1592 3 жыл бұрын

@@stefanwiebers9991 I know, but it's a kinda strange to see the BMW logo on a plane. We are used to see the BMW only on cars today.

@stefanwiebers9991 3 жыл бұрын

@@opoxious1592 the Brand Shows a rotating propeller in Bavarian Colours...

@thomlyons336 4 жыл бұрын

The 213 engine was also put on ME-109s sold to Spain. When they wore out with no spares available they put the Merlin on the Spanish 109s

@FiveCentsPlease 4 жыл бұрын

+Thom Lyons No, Germany was never able to deliver the promised DB-605 engines to Spain. After WW2 when Spain began construction the Buchons flew with Hispano-Suiza V12 and later Merlins. The only post-war use of the Jumo 213 was in France where the Arsenal de l'Aéronautique kept the engine in production for experimental and seaplane use.

@asiftalpur3758 4 жыл бұрын

@@FiveCentsPlease you are absolutely spot on.

@attananightshadow 14 жыл бұрын

awesome vid, thanks for the upload.

@spottydog4477 14 жыл бұрын

@FWDORA9 hello mike..thanx awfully for the thoughtful comments,, my apologies that it appears there isnt a Ta152 here..alas film is scarce..howevel i hope the 190d images are some compensation!!..cheerzzzz

@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын

@groovy67 The fan was geared a 3x propeller speed on wartime Fw190s with BMW 801s. Today, on the replica Fw190s equipped with the ASh-82 engine the fan being used is fixed and spins at propeller speed. The fan blade angles are ground-adjustable for various conditions. One replica has been re-engined with an R-2800 and I do not know if a cooling fan is being used at all, and it is the one having oil cooling issues.

@abmo32 5 жыл бұрын

boy I keep wondering what kind of vehicles Messerschmitt, Focke-Wulf, Dormier, Junker and all those aviation companies would produce today. They'd probably toy with F22s. Just look at their engine producer who managed to survive: BMW & Benz, outclassing everyone since the 50s with ease.

@FiveCentsPlease 5 жыл бұрын

+abmo32 Post-WW2 Donier relocated to outside of Germany and provided aeronautical services. They returned to Germany in the 1950s to produce aircraft. They have been in a series of partnerships, including Mercedes and today are part of Fairchild Aircraft. Messerschmitt, Junkers, and Focke Wulf did not disappear but through a series of mergers after WW2 they are now all consolidated and licensed under EADS Aerospace, now Airbus.

@DevilDaRebel 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, do you really think they disappeared? All those engineers were contracted by governments.

@okrajoe 8 жыл бұрын

Excellent video of the captured warbird.

@spottydog4477 14 жыл бұрын

@guthywoodry hi guthy thanx for commenting.....yes - isnt that scene of the 109's and 190's trying to get airborne is such horrendous conditions amazing! It soo difficult to find film of the long nosed 190D types which are feature in that clip..i suspect this was shot early '45....do you have any film of the 190D or can you point me to any clips yourself??..many thanx,,, john

@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын

@tiredlight Reprints of flight and engine manuals for various versions are available from a few sources on the internet. (Not for free, though.)

@spottydog4477 14 жыл бұрын

thank you , I appreciate the support.....cheers!

@spottydog4477 14 жыл бұрын

@tiredlight hi there, thanx for you kind words and interest in Tank...I'll have a look over my library of film and see if i can find something more...meantime do a thorough search off youtube - and keep checking in every few months as new materials are loaded up...but meantime if i have something - ill be sure to write!..cheers spotty

@gawemarcinkiewicz5006 3 жыл бұрын

Movie titled FW 190 D / TA 152 and yet 1/4th of it is showing studying of a FW 190 A (short nose) and a TA 152 is nowhere to be seen.

@pz3j 4 жыл бұрын

Why did you choose to have film footage interrupted by photos superimposed? Just curious if you are a psycologist or something looking for feedback.

@spottydog4477 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Pz3j, the original vid didn't have any of the type variants, so I just added them in as additional interest on the subject..cheers!

@LudwigAmadeusVanDerMaas 2 жыл бұрын

Where did allied intelligence come from? Where was she found?

@ralphbernhard1757 9 жыл бұрын

In principle, the information is correct. However, the Ju 88 had a 1340 hp JUMO 211, and the Fw 190 D had the 1750 hp JUMO 213.

@schwanzelstock1071 8 жыл бұрын

There are many D variants ( prototypes ) Kurt Tank preferred the DB 603 turbocharged engine He did not get it though they where in short supply if you happen to know why he preferred the DB 603 please let me know.

@ralphbernhard1757 8 жыл бұрын

Schwanzel Stock From what I've read, the DB engine was larger and heavier. Because the Fw 190 was a variant of the standard production model A, all that was needed to make an effective aircraft was to place a short additional section before the tail, in order to balance the airframe. In order to use the heavier DB 603, an entirely new air frame had to be developed (Ta 152), to be better balanced. The Fw 190 D was therefore probably more of a stop gap, to get it into production fast using existing parts of regular 190s already in mass production since 1941.

@LivingInTheLimeligh7 8 жыл бұрын

The Jumo-213 was simply easier to acquire, the DB-603 was not very available. Tank obviously would have liked to put a DB-603 on all of the inline fighters he built, as it had larger displacement and better performance figures. Tank even requested it for his Ta-152 Höhenjäger, but it was refused and he had to work with the Jumo-213 E. The Jumo engine did the job, but he saw that the DB-603 could be developed into a much better high-altitude engine. In the end, the (Ta-152 C) Zerstörer, or destroyer variant of the Ta-152 got the DB-603 engine. This aircraft was designed for good performance at medium altitudes, while also carrying 125 kg of armor, four 20mm cannons and one centrally-mounted 30mm cannon and ammo for all of them, aswell as a 500kg bomb if i recall correctly.

@anitadolan6417 5 жыл бұрын

@@ralphbernhard1757 Apparently Tank himself said that the Dora 9 was an emergency solution, pending availability of the Ta 152.

@hamiltonmays4256 4 жыл бұрын

A number of Ju-88G-6 and -7 night fighters were fitted with Jumo 213s, although most had BMW 801s. Ju-88A and C used the 211.

@angelcalifornia215 6 жыл бұрын

which docu is that?

@zanegrey4720 4 жыл бұрын

Beautiful aircraft 190 d.

@tiredlight 14 жыл бұрын

@spottydog4477 Aloha Spotty, next weeks my RC model (152H) arrives and I will start building the plane :-) Can't wait to fly 'em. I will do further research for material and infos of the 152. Thanks for your support. and tHX for the nice vids.

@johnmacnabb7562 3 жыл бұрын

appropriate music for the vanquished....

@FlyingMistake 13 жыл бұрын

I need to make a detailed 3d model of ta -152 and its jumo engine. This video helped greatly. Thank you

@russg1801 6 жыл бұрын

This vid says the rear fuselage was lengthened by "four and a half feet." That doesn't seem to be the case. Another vid shows a mere TEN INCH stretch segment added in front of the tail section. It's the FRONT of the aircraft that had to be signficantly lengthened to accomodate the V-12 and its radiator.

@FiveCentsPlease 6 жыл бұрын

+Russ G The total length of the aircraft grew by 4.9 feet, including the new engine, fuselage plug and enlarging the vertical fin.

@thethirdman225 5 жыл бұрын

Russ G I assure you, whatever it was, it was in metric.

@liamailiam 4 жыл бұрын

i thought it was 500mm to the front and 500mm to the rear. i know the rear extension is exactly 500mm. you can see it, its the untapered section just before the tail

@rayseals1732 4 жыл бұрын

When you compare it to an Anton it is visually obvious that the rear fuselage was extended far more than 10 inches.

@FreeWorldAllDay 4 жыл бұрын

The music that begins at 2:37, what is the title of the song and who is it by?

@spottydog4477 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Freeworld - yes, it is good tho' sorry I'd love to know too!

@tombristowe846 3 жыл бұрын

Albinoni's Adagio in G minor.

@mgn5667 5 жыл бұрын

how many variants of the 190 was there...? 100..?

@guntherzanutigh2679 4 жыл бұрын

El dora fw 190 fue el mejor caza múltiples propósito, en velocidad le ganaba al mustangn y al súper marine d spifaier,v armamento cohetería y misiles

@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын

@spottydog4477 I've heard that some rare color film of D-9s exists, but I think it's in a private collection. I suspect it's GI film of abandoned aircraft. I believe stills from the film appear in Jerry Crandall's books on the D-9s. I haven't bought them yet, but I plan to eventually.

@hogiesanKenobi 11 жыл бұрын

Ta had increased electronics in it ,for instrumentation and control surfaces. Otherwise very close,and very few of them.

@grahampalmer9337 5 жыл бұрын

For an article about the FW 190-D/TA 152 there is mostly footage of an early, cable tail wheel 'A,' - & some footage of ME 109 F/G's :-/

@tombristowe846 5 жыл бұрын

I agree completely, Graham. This is the usual "history -lite" comprising stock footage cobbled together with a smooth and annoying talkover.

@MeBallerman 3 жыл бұрын

@@tombristowe846 I guess there is a lack of footage of the D model.

@daleaeschbacher3955 6 жыл бұрын

This was the best aplane of ww2 and the fastest

@paulbantick8266 6 жыл бұрын

Really? Perhaps some evidence?

@Sven1612 5 жыл бұрын

Dale Aeschbacher best overall airplane , probably the Bf-109, since the fw-190 and its variants came farely late.. fastest? Maybe the fastest prop. Plane .. the overall fastest was undeniably the Me-262 ✌🏻

@jbelc 5 жыл бұрын

Dale Aeschbacher Nothing could outrun a late war P47 in a dive.

@daleaeschbacher3955 5 жыл бұрын

Fw 190 flat out 429 MPH flat out faster than P51 421 I way talking planes not jets or rocks P47.

@daleaeschbacher3955 5 жыл бұрын

@@paulbantick8266 watch the video do some research I did

@fredferd965 3 жыл бұрын

You might consider it to be part of the "next generation" propeller driven fighters, equal to the Grumman Bearcat and the Hawker Sea Fury. I think the Russians had one faster one too.

@MatzeB111 12 жыл бұрын

Da standen sie und staunten...

@tiredlight 14 жыл бұрын

@spottydog4477 THX for loading this up. I would be also interested in any kind of documentation and more info regarding FW190 and 152 (Kurt Tank). Could give some pointers or hints where to find those information please?

@Dalesmanable 7 жыл бұрын

I'm looking for information on the Dora's combat record defending ME262s near their airfields. I have definitive sources that Galland had 5 Fw 190D-9s and D-11s attached to JV44 as its Platzschutzstaffel (Airfield protection squadron), but nothing over how they actually performed. I've seen a few comments on forums, but they all seem 'off the top of my head' comments with no references to back them up. Does anyone have anything?

@Dalesmanable 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you. However, this website, as useful as it is for information on the individual aircraft, has nothing on their actual use and performance. The book it references looks interesting, but seems to have become a collector's item and is well outside my price range at over £150 (€180).

@SvenJT 7 жыл бұрын

forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=3423

@SvenJT 7 жыл бұрын

Have you tried contacting Jerry Crandall at Eagle Editions? I do believe he has published a small book "Doras of the Galland Circus"

@Dalesmanable 7 жыл бұрын

SvenJT : thanks for the info. That thread is useful and suggests that, through no fault of their own, the aircraft did nothing to protect the Me262s. The one suggested claim away from protecting the airfield is interesting; I am, though, sceptical of a flight to collect whiskey as fuel was in too short supply for such fripperies. I have looked at Jerry's books, but the cheapest I can get one delivered to the uk is £150 (€180), well beyond what I can justify.

@SvenJT 7 жыл бұрын

It depends on what is meant by protecting the JV44 Me262s. They were given orders to drive fighters away and not chase off for kills. Going up in only 2s and staying below 500 feet allowed them to protect the slow glide in and slow acceleration from takeoff.

@hartmannf4169 5 жыл бұрын

Dora Dora Dora i will stay with you tonight oo oo

@oldman68able 8 жыл бұрын

a lean fast killing machine!

@paulbantick8266 6 жыл бұрын

It didn't do much 'killing'

@HasvenWorld 5 жыл бұрын

@@paulbantick8266 do you rebuke any comment saying these things were any good because "no data"

@bubiruski8067 5 жыл бұрын

To investigate these airplanes the us had to purchase metric tools

@FiveCentsPlease 5 жыл бұрын

+Bubi Ruski The Allies captured plenty of tools and manuals along with equipment. German POWs assisted the Allies with inventory and operation of captured equipment. And some captured aircraft were even flown by POW pilots when needed such as ferry flights or mock combat.

@bubiruski8067 4 жыл бұрын

Just joking !

@dudleylitz7369 11 жыл бұрын

Ta had in-line engine.

@StefanAndreiRosu 7 жыл бұрын

So did the Dora series ^_^ Jumo 213 engines instead of the radial BMW 801 engines.

@1980Raffael 5 жыл бұрын

War Thunder !

@daleaeschbacher3955 5 жыл бұрын

Of Germany

@foenikxsfirebird3067 2 ай бұрын

FOCKE - WULF ...... not Fokker- Wolf ... or any ....

@thomasr.bartonjd7815 5 жыл бұрын

I will submit my list of candidates for best piston engine fighter: the Dora 9, the late model Me-109G6/K, the Hawker Tempest, the Spitfire Mk whose number I forget which was optimized for high-end speed, the latest and most recent mid-1944 Block configuration of the P-51D and to act as a catalyst for debate, derision and comment fury, the mighty P-38L Lightning, which flown by an ace to its strengths was a formidable opponent to any of the candidates in this listing. "Sir, sir, you can't feed raw meet to the lions here at the Zoo. It will only make them aggressive and quarrelsome. Sir, sir, put down the steak cuts and step away from the Lion enclosure. Security, we have another guy feeding the Lions raw steak. Security, security!!

@Aislanzito 6 жыл бұрын

WarThunder

@StaffanGoldschmidt 11 жыл бұрын

Genius inventors,ingeneers technicians and pilots but lousy leadership (Goering, Udet, Milch) I feal so sorry for all those good men that worked in vain for a bunch of criminals.

@ostblockberserker1982er 4 жыл бұрын

Typisch USA 🤷🏼‍♂️.....

@schl0tte 6 жыл бұрын

To bad not many Germans are alive today

@NcRosebud42 5 жыл бұрын

Imothep yea i feel so lonely at home:/

@mgn5667 5 жыл бұрын

@@NcRosebud42 chuckle

@NcRosebud42 5 жыл бұрын

Mgn thx

@NoTaboos 5 жыл бұрын

What bullshit.

@mikejohnson7202 8 жыл бұрын

This plane is why Germany got schooled by the U.S.A. If Germany would have made a plane that would compete with the P-51 they might not have gotten beaten up so bad

@tstocker69 8 жыл бұрын

They didnt get schooled by the U.S , they got overwhelmed ; the Spitfire was better than the Mustang

@LivingInTheLimeligh7 8 жыл бұрын

The P-51 is such an overrated aircraft, it had good dive speed and range and that was it. It wasn't even close to the dogfighting capabilities of the longnose Fw-190's.

@mikejohnson7202 8 жыл бұрын

LivingInTheLimeligh7 P-51 pilots called the Bf109 and Fw190 "Easy Meat". The P-51 had a success rate of 19 Luftwaffe fighters killed for every P-51 lost. 4,950 Luftwaffe fighters were lost to the P-51 alone. Germany got their asses kicked.

@LivingInTheLimeligh7 8 жыл бұрын

+Mike Johnson At the point when the USAAF entered the ETO, the Luftwaffe was a shadow of it's former self. They still had the occasional ace, but a lot of the pilots were just rookies. Saying that the equipment of the Germans was at fault is naive. The Longnosed Fw-190D was similar in speed to the Mustang, but was far more maneuverable and had stronger armament. (two 13mm MG and two 20mm cannons) The Bf-109 was a notoriously difficult aircraft to master among the Luftwaffe pilots, and while this, and the aging basic design were showing in combat, the Bf-109 was still in it's later marks a very maneuverable and dangerous adversary when pilots were of equal skill. It also had a strong armament. (20mm or 30mm cannon and two 13mm MG).

@mikejohnson7202 8 жыл бұрын

LivingInTheLimeligh7 At the point when the USAAF entered the ETO, the Luftwaffe had a majority of their aces in the Reichsverteidigung or Home Defense, mainly over Berlin and other major German cities. It was then that the Luftwaffe was losing an average of 300 fighters a week and during the first week of march 44 the Luftwaffe lost 28 aces to American fighter pilots. Given the historical data the Luftwaffe was only superior to early antiquated allied aircraft designs like Russia's Post WW1 designs and inexperienced pilots galore. Match the Luftwaffe against any allied planes and pilots two years into the war and German pilots and aircraft were mediocre at best. Consider the fact Germany had been modernizing the Luftwaffe since the early thirties and it took the U.S.A only three years and three months to take over German skies when totally unprepared for war in 41.