@FiveCentsPlease 11 жыл бұрын
BTW, the Dora above was restored to "airworthy" condition and restored again just a few years ago, but is considered too rare to risk for flight since it is the only surviving D-13 example.
@poland5606 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly
@FiveCentsPlease 3 жыл бұрын
@@poland5606 There are few Dora projects around, some are active and some not. A replica might fly soon.
@rufusx98 Жыл бұрын
Let's hope we'll have exact replicas in the future to fly them!
@FiveCentsPlease Жыл бұрын
@@rufusx98 Replica airframes are not so much of a challenge but engines are not being made so it will be very difficult to obtain a usable engine. BMW, Mercedes, and Rolls Royce likely still hold the license and patents on their engine designs, and I think the patent rights for Junkers is currently under Airbus. It would be difficult to license "new" engines. But a few will be flying in the future.
@DevSolar Жыл бұрын
@@FiveCentsPlease Sadly unlikely. Even if you could build a Jumo 213 engine, for some other parts (like the "Kommandogerät") not even plans exist anymore.
@robertkurzwernhart 11 жыл бұрын
at the very beginning of this video you see a man in a white shirt and tie . He was an Austrian flying FW 190s in the Luftwaffe with 18 confirmed victories . He passed away two years ago and enjoyed doing aerobatic displays in his sailplane at air shows all over Canada and the USA . He was a country man friend of mine and we miss him in the gliding movement . May he rest in peace !
@matthewcaughey8898 3 жыл бұрын
Was that Gunther Rall by any chance?
@Nghilifa 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewcaughey8898 no, Rall was born and raised in Germany.
@fanofmarilan9076 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nghilifa Oscar Boesch.
@SuperRede4u 2 жыл бұрын
@@fanofmarilan9076 I think that I might have seen him perform at Comox BC decades ago. The person flying the glider was doing things I didn't think were physically possible. Definitely enjoyed the routine.
@hashteraksgage3281 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperRede4u apparenlty he was very skilled with gliders before the war, and he was ofc a good pilot.
@BeselerSimRacing 7 жыл бұрын
Sad that it takes war to produce such beautiful machines. This old girl, 70+ years old, still looks just as ferocious and sleek as it did when it was born.
@devilsoffspring5519 5 жыл бұрын
Been a fighter plane buff my whole life, and I'll be the first to admit I'd actually prefer to live in a world without them!
@devilsoffspring5519 4 жыл бұрын
@Big102080 Not just a laugh, I actually mean that!
@alexanderrahl482 4 жыл бұрын
@@devilsoffspring5519 I take your meaning.
@alejandrosienra2179 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent moi!!🌠🛩️💫🌐
@covertops19Z 3 жыл бұрын
@@devilsoffspring5519 You sound like a Communist..
@737sunset 13 жыл бұрын
Who needs to go the gym, when you can crank a FW190-D9 engine instead!!
@9466Frank 10 жыл бұрын
Thsi is not a DB605 Engine, the DB 605 was in the Messerschmitt 109. This is an Junkers Jumo 213 A-1 Engine.
@wm565 10 жыл бұрын
Actually a Jumo 213E
@TheProfessionalDrift 8 жыл бұрын
Jumo 213 f1
@dwightlooi 6 жыл бұрын
Actually the D13 had the 213F which is basically the 213E but does not have the intercooler which was deemed unnecessary for the medium altitude optimized Dora. If it was a D13 it should have provisions for a hub cannon in the engine Vee (like the Ta152) although it may or may not have been fitted.
@BARelement 5 жыл бұрын
wm565 actually the Dora 9 used a jumo 213A
@hikaruskins6942 5 жыл бұрын
stuka oh boi this is fun
@buddymonica 9 жыл бұрын
for the longest time this d-13 had d-9 wings,until a trade with usaf museum which had the original wings to this airplane.they were mixed up and crated when it was sold surplus.finally got the usaf museum to swap wings and that proved champlin correct-ammo chutes matched up and the brain box that controlled the engine,fuel and propeller matched up too.Great that it finally came back together after all these years........
@jackwitte3979 6 жыл бұрын
Bmw z4
@antonioorellana504 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for the restoration of the last ta 152 in the world. It is this plane's successor. It was left to root on the Smithsonian collection for years. Shame that the curators don't give the same love to german planes as they do to allies
@pkx_phant0m456 Жыл бұрын
@@antonioorellana504 Smithsonian has the Ho229 as well just collecting dust. i swear its a crime what they do. collect up all these super rare and priceless machines just to stow em away in their warehouses, never to be seen. i dont understand how or why people commend them for this.
@TroyaE117 13 жыл бұрын
This is the long-nosed version, the D model. It really did have a superb motor. It's high-altitude power output really was unparalleled. It is a very rare fighter plane.
@FiveCentsPlease 11 жыл бұрын
Part of the engine controls were missing when this video was made so starting was difficult. In fact, it could only idle. A new restoration was completed a few years ago which replaced the missing part, but the new owners do not start it. Also remember that wartime aircraft had a dedicated ground crew that kept them running perfectly. The hand inertia start was used by all sides and was a weight-saving feature.
@dllmpb06 2 жыл бұрын
It's actually still missing the correct engine parts.
@FiveCentsPlease 2 жыл бұрын
@@dllmpb06 My understanding was they located the correct propeller hub for it and the missing Motorbediengerät (I think that was the name for the control unit on the 213.) The engine was gone over but I don't think it was put through the overhaul necessary for flight certification. I had also read that when they were putting it back together at Gosshawk they had wanted to do a new engine run but there was deadline to get it on the truck to Paul Allen's museum. A missed opportunity to hear the engine running better.
@Schlipperschlopper Жыл бұрын
Why dont make an 1:1 replica?
@FiveCentsPlease Жыл бұрын
@@Schlipperschlopper There are two or three Dora projects out there, but nothing that is moving very fast. Some of the Flugwerk 1:1 replica Fw-190 have been built to Dora standard and there is one that was close to flying with an Allison. Another example has an Allison but waiting to switch to another engine sometime in the future. There is no Dora model that is flying at this time. One of the Allison-powered replicas will probably be in the air first.
@RoyksoppPeople Жыл бұрын
@@FiveCentsPlease What do you mean by "correct propeller hub"? Isn't it the same as on the Ju-87/88, the hubs of which you can easily find the originals? Or what was the uniqueness and difference between the hub of Dora and the same 87/88?
@michaelswigert9657 10 жыл бұрын
Guys its a Junkers Jumo 213, a vary rare engine.
@avidaviation67 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's one of the Rarest planes I'm the world only 12 Fw-190D-13s were made so of course the engine is rare.
@stevenmoore4612 5 жыл бұрын
The FW 190D is a fearsome and gorgeous machine! The Germans really did make the best planes during the war, and the v-12 was a great engine was great for powering them.
@tB3o3tR9o9 2 жыл бұрын
best guns and tanks too^^
@Schlipperschlopper Жыл бұрын
Soviets and Japanese also made superb planes!
@kkteutsch6416 6 ай бұрын
Rolls Royce Merlin and even Allison are V 12 but germans preferred to develop Inverted V 12 engines, Argus, Daimler Benz and Junkers all made them, the Argus AS 410 - used in various projects - was air cooled but of lower power than DB and Junkers.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
This was filmed sometime around 1992. The new restoration from a few years ago corrected many things and it now wears its wartime paint colors. It is currently owned by the Flying Heritage Collection and is on display in the Museum of Flight in Seattle. No more engine runs were performed after the new restoration, though it was restored to airworthy standards. It will probably never fly because it's a vary rare long-nose version.
@c4nucksens8tion 11 жыл бұрын
The most amazing FW made. I could only imagine the rush a German fighter pilot got when he flew this. Even with being outnumbered this thing was so fast that if you flew smart you could get away.
@FiveCentsPlease 13 жыл бұрын
@KenMacMillan The Bosch inertial starters can be turned by hand (seen here) or with external electric power. This demo was most likely done for the crowd.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
This is the only surviving D-13 when it was still with the Champlain Museum. It was started occasionally but could only idle because of missing engine parts. It's now fully restored (missing parts now added) and is on display at the Flying Heritage Museum. The Allison-engined Flug Werk is in FL being prepped for flight testing.
@SuperTimebandit 9 жыл бұрын
many say the Spitfire was the best looking plane during WW2 ,but honestly if the DORA would be a girl,id ask her to marry me
@BlackAce-zr2ms 8 жыл бұрын
+Heinrich Patan The Langenasen D-9 was the most beautiful of all the fighters, curvy and agile....
@Pjanoo1 8 жыл бұрын
+Heinrich Patan I would have agreed with you years ago but the bf 109 with the yellow nose cone is utterly stunning
@blameusa7082 8 жыл бұрын
+Claire Stanfield tempest mkII for me
@SuperTimebandit 8 жыл бұрын
Also a good looking plane ,for sure
@ChannelNotFound 8 жыл бұрын
+Heinrich Patan I'm a Messerschmitt guy. The sharp angled canopy, the radiator on the wings, the smoothness of the fuselage, the rudder - everything to me about the 109 is perfection. I'd kill to fly one.
@A7XKoRnRocks1 9 жыл бұрын
Oh man you can hear that super charger whistle.
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
Yes, the D version uses an inverted V12. Depending on the sub-model, the D-9 thru D-13 had inverted Jumo 213 while the final D-14 and D-15 models used the DB 603 engine (however very few, if any, D-14 and D-15 were completed in time to see active service) The fuselage and small tail extension were added to adjust the CG for the longer engine.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
@MisogiWaAikidoDesu There are several D-9 projects that are ongoing, so in the upcoming years we will hopefully get to hear a Jumo 213 roar to life. The D-13 in this video was missing an engine control unit and it could only idle. When it was restored again a few years ago, a control unit was found and installed but they did not have time to do any engine runs before it went on display at FHC. And yes, witnessing one of these V12s in person is a jaw-dropping experience.
@dwgallmann630 7 жыл бұрын
A fly wheel system allowed German aircraft such as this one to operate from remote bases close the the battlefield as the front moved forward. The equipment the ground would use to start the engine wasn't always able to keep up to the pace of the battle.
@megatwingo 6 жыл бұрын
This aircraft WAS definitely equippted with an electric starter. I don't know why they aren't using the electric starter in this video. Additional to that: At the time when this video was filmed the shown aircraft was missing an important part of the motor management and the ignition was not working correctly therefore. As fas as I know, the so called "Kommandogerät" was missing. Otherwise even the cranking-start would have worked better and faster than seen in this video.
@julianneale6128 6 жыл бұрын
DW Gallmann what's interesting is that the Merlin in the early Spitfires had provision for a crank to start, exactly like this and for the same reasons you give above.
@CruiserGSX1100G 10 жыл бұрын
Wunderschöner Flieger!
@swenkrampe6520 5 жыл бұрын
Is it ah germam airplane. Is the best
@FiveCentsPlease 11 жыл бұрын
This aircraft was restored for a second time a few years ago to a higher standard than the original 1970s restoration. It also exchanged the wings that were placed on the NASM D-9 in error. It was sold to the Flying Heritage Collection museum in Everett, WA and while it was restored to airworthy standard (mostly) it will remain on permanent static display because it is too rare to risk in flight. Several D-9s (some replica) are under construction but it will take years before complete.
@baseballplayer1251 13 жыл бұрын
In every combat simulation I fly this machine. it's awesome.
@FiveCentsPlease 11 жыл бұрын
The inertial starter, which energizes a flywheel to engage a starter gear. This can be done by hand as seen here for rough field conditions, or electrically with an external power source such as a start cart. Direct starters and batteries were heavy, so inertia starters saved weight. Some Allied aircraft used them as well.
@dntlss 10 жыл бұрын
god what a gorgeous machine,back when airplanes had soul, yeah fighter planes these days go 10 million miles an hour and have armament that can shoot your left nipple sideways at 60 thousand feet but they all look the same,thank you for posting the video!!
@behindthen0thing 9 жыл бұрын
ok
@RM-el3gw 3 жыл бұрын
k boomer lol
@skooter2767k 15 жыл бұрын
This peticular Dora is a D13 formerly owned by Doug Champlain, and is now displayed in the Seattle Meuseum of Flight. It is the most authentic fw 190 in existance after undergoing 2 restorations. It for sure 100percent positively has its original fully runable Jumo 213 engine! Parts are available and several jumo engines are runnable. The White 1 foundation in Kissimme FL is currently restoring a Jumo 213 for their Dora rebuild. Also based there is Stallion 51s Allison powered FlugWerke D9.
@alexpaumen3937 8 жыл бұрын
War Thunder should use these sounds
@pjayx7320 3 жыл бұрын
4 years late but they actually do :D
@alexpaumen3937 3 жыл бұрын
Did they really spool that thing up to full throttle?
@alexandre210613 4 жыл бұрын
Quel beau bruit et quelle belle façon de lancer le moteur ... Une merveille de technologie ! 👍
@duanescot 6 жыл бұрын
The D, high altitude FW, one of my top ww2 planes, a true beauty
@FiveCentsPlease 11 жыл бұрын
It was missing an important engine part, which was replaced in a new restoration a few years ago.
@flak8842 4 жыл бұрын
I think it needs an automatic supercharger to startup the engine without spinning the supercharger by these things
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
The Bosch inertia starters can be energized manually (seen here) or with external electric power. The inertia starter was not unique to German engines and was found on several Allied aircraft including the B-24 as a backup starting method.
@gerometorribio2127 2 жыл бұрын
Also a backup to the electric starter drives in the Lockheed P-38.
@megatwingo 11 жыл бұрын
This aircraft has an electrical starter. It was said and explained very detailed several times in this thread. At the time when this video was made the aircraft lacked an important and very advanced part of the motor management. Maybe they tried to start the aircraft with hand cranking for show reasons, but without the lacking part in the motor it was a difficult task to start the motor. Once it was started it was only able to idle. In between the lacking part was found and build into the plane
@markden21 5 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful machine.
@petertimowreef9085 8 жыл бұрын
Oh those poor mechanics, that stupid laughing every time she doesn't fire the first time...
@BrokenAngelWings 8 жыл бұрын
She is sad that no german start she up ^^
@oldschoolgamer8278 8 жыл бұрын
maybe it isnt a original german engine. they have to be very rare. ;)
@oldschoolgamer8278 8 жыл бұрын
maybe it isnt a original german engine. they have to be very rare. ;) And i think, turn the Prop in its spinning direction for a few rounds would be help to get oil and so on in the right way... not sure, but there where a procedure for some other plane-engines.
@FiveCentsPlease 8 жыл бұрын
The engine is original. And they are very rare.
@petertimowreef9085 8 жыл бұрын
FiveCentsPlease Interesting, thanks. Do you think that the German mechanics back in the day could get it to fire on the first try..?
@hashteraksgage3281 5 жыл бұрын
The most elegant fighter plane in history
@user-xd6dx3ws8h 2 ай бұрын
Once a year I watch this video. What a beauty❤
@FiveCentsPlease 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, this airplane languished in outdoor storage for several decades before restoration and the original engine remained with the plane.
@dwgallmann630 10 жыл бұрын
American planes actually used a shot gun shell to start aircraft engines. The German planes used a fly wheel. Thats what you see the mechanics doing, spooling up the fly wheel. It really wasn't a bad start. Very little blue smoke from oil accumulating in the cylinder heads. Its great to hear a plane like this again.
@richard51197 7 жыл бұрын
DW Gallmann the poor girl probably was a little cold haha.
@RifullOfTheWest 5 жыл бұрын
LOL oh boy here we go. Ya that is not true for fighters. True for old transports but not WW2 fighters.
@S2Sturges 5 жыл бұрын
True, I think I saw a clip of a Grumman Hellcat being started that way, plus of course, the famous scene in the original Flight of the Phoenix, down to their last cartridge to start the engine...
@citadelgrad87 2 жыл бұрын
@@RifullOfTheWest WRONG. Theres a video on youtube of a cartridge start of a Wildcat. Not all planes, but some fighters did have this festure.
@RifullOfTheWest 2 жыл бұрын
@@citadelgrad87 I'm aware of that video. Ive seen it.
@ziggy2shus624 5 жыл бұрын
When the Kurt Tank's Fw190 started full production in 1941, Kurt Tank went to the head of the German Air Force(GAF) and asked for permission to design a high altitude version to combat high altitude bombers like the turbo charged B17 and B24. The Fw190 with its radial engine lost power above 20,000 ft and would be ineffective against the B17 and B24. The GAF told him no, so the Fw190d with the high altitude v12 engine wasn't developed until 1944, when it was to late to save the German cities.
@Papa-qv4do 5 жыл бұрын
GAF??? LUFTWAFFE !!!
@RonJeremy514 Жыл бұрын
Yeah and also Kurt Tank wanted a DB 603 engine and not the Jumo 213. But both seem to have worked fine for the purpose.
@FiveCentsPlease 13 жыл бұрын
@cuttlefisch Yes, it entered service in March 1945 with JG26 and was piloted by Maj. Franz Gotz. It was surrendered on VE-day and was one of the many aircraft used for flight testing by the AAF. When the AAF disposed of it, it was given to a technical school (thankfully not scrapped) in the Atlanta area before being sold to a private owner. It miraculously survived decades of outdoor storage and was finally bought and restored in the 1970s. It was fully restored for a second time recently.
@FiveCentsPlease 15 жыл бұрын
Pepe, DB and Jumo motors are rare, but there are a handful that have found their way into restorations. It's not cheap, for instance one DB 601 restoration required finding three donor engines for parts with other missing parts re-manufactured at great expense. There is a learning curve getting the German motors operating again, which is what is happening in restorations today. There are a few special engine shops that offer to rebuild the German motors now. Yes this is a Jumo engine in the vid.
@georgeunknown2833 10 жыл бұрын
I love this sound... 4:53
@flak8842 4 жыл бұрын
But I should have an automatic starter would be less effort for these guys 4:33
@machia0705 6 жыл бұрын
If the Germans had this instead of the ME-109 early in the war , the Brits would have been serving Dortmunder on tap in London today .
@halowraith1 5 жыл бұрын
doubt it; they still had the royal navy to deal with while trying to send troops across the channel on river barges.
@gregmenego2200 5 жыл бұрын
@@halowraith1 Rudel wld have had that sorted.☝
@halowraith1 5 жыл бұрын
sure he would
@9thbloodandfire508 5 жыл бұрын
Well, technical progress was made because both partys forced each other to evolve, right? And the Battle of Britain was not about single planes at all. Merely it was about the lack of long range fighter support and not enough pressuring the right targets. And apart from not being rightly equipped at all, there were other advantages on the British side. For example if a German fighter was shot down over Britain, the pilot was lost in either case, even he survived the landing. British pilots as long as they were not harmed, flew the next day again in a new fighter.
@michaelnaisbitt1639 5 жыл бұрын
This is pure speculation on your part There were aircraft under development on both sides that would have had accelerated progress if events as you mentioned had taken place the MB-5 and meteor plus better models of the Spitfire and hawker aircraft would have been rushed. Plus the emergency fighters of produced by Miles although slow were cheap to produce and the experimental E 28 jet flew in early 1941 So the Dora threat would have been matched
@Dragonryder813 13 жыл бұрын
It's been pointed out to me that yes, the plane originally had an electric starter. That doesn't change that at the time of this engine start it may not have been installed yet as part of the restore or was not functioning. I am sure if someone could talk to the owners at that time they could clear that up. I plan to go see this plane up in Everett WA this summer, and I'll ask there to see if they know.
@4lifeifly 12 жыл бұрын
@mrsmelzbad: yes the gear on the 109 is extremely tricky. However, this was done on purpose because the gear folds outward, making the wings lighter instead of having a lot of weight in the wings like a mustang. This helped to make the 109 very agile
@MetalGonza15 8 жыл бұрын
Dora D13?
@FiveCentsPlease 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, before it was restored for the second time and sold.
@matthiaskorn7544 8 жыл бұрын
wohl will Langnase zurück nach Deutschland, da der Heimweh hat ;-)
@danastulce4707 6 жыл бұрын
Ausgezeichnete Flugzeug!
@pinwizz69 14 жыл бұрын
In the late 60s at Oshkosh I saw some WW II film footage of them starting Dora and then they used a power cart. Battery tech. was not as good then as now. The person that had the film was Marcel Jurka a former Royal Rumanian Luft pilot on HE 111s. He started the scale fighter movement back in the mid 60s with his Gnatsum version P51 . then did a FW190 and a Spit. His first design was the Tempete then The Sirocco. My dad & I built the a Sirocco. Marcel was one scary guy to fly with !!
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
@OLDCROW1962 This engine is the authentic Jumo213, although it was not running well because of missing engine parts and could only idle. The parts were found and the plane was restored for a second time recently, but no more engine runs were done. However, there is a new-build Fw190D that does have an Allison V-1710 installed, but it has not flown any as of today.
@utuberlesmouches 9 жыл бұрын
too rare too unique too much part of History for being kept by cowboys !
@FiveCentsPlease 9 жыл бұрын
Doug Champlin Fighter Museum, dude. Now sold to the Flying Heritage Collection.
@utuberlesmouches 9 жыл бұрын
yes i know that mostly (rich) american people are keeping in a very good condition these warbirds and antic planes. It just that i feel jalous, why the smithsonian museum is not at Paris ? a shame
@FiveCentsPlease 9 жыл бұрын
thomas P-R Musée de l'Air in Paris.
@utuberlesmouches 9 жыл бұрын
threre is one quite unique tandem FW190 at Bourget but no Dora unfortunatly... no Dora left in Europe... yet as some crazy guys may rebuild one ?
@FiveCentsPlease 9 жыл бұрын
thomas P-R When complete, Germany will have the Lake Schwerin Fw190D-9. This was recovered years ago, but I believe that it suffered deterioration from improper storage. Now it is being rebuilt for static display, although due to completeness it would have been excellent for an airworthy rebuild today. It should be finished soon. There is another Dora in Lake Schwerin, but it disintegrated on impact and is likely in worse shape. www.daedalus-berlin.de/images/stories/daedalus/FW190D9/motor.jpg www.daedalus-berlin.de/images/stories/fw190_d_technik/03_fw190_leitwerk_berg_a.jpg www.daedalus-berlin.de/images/stories/fw190_d_technik/01_fw190_rumpfwerk_berg_a.jpg www.daedalus-berlin.de/images/stories/fw190_d_technik/01_fw190_rumpfwerk_rest_d.jpg There is another Dora restoration to airworthy in Belgium. This is a very slow private rebuild, so no date on when it will be finished. Three more Dora projects are for North American owners. There should be a Fw190A-8 at the Musee de l'Air. The tandem place Fw190 is a trainer modification, but my sources only show one of these at the RAFM at Hendon.
@dr.wilfriedhitzler8421 8 жыл бұрын
We Germans built such Planes and the Amerikans are not alle to start them. Thats typical
@FiveCentsPlease 8 жыл бұрын
It was restored in Germany during the 1970s, and they couldn't find all of the correct parts. Now the work has been done over again.
@robertparobechek6580 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe if us Americans dedicated ourselves better to arts and sciences (as opposed to how big Kim Kardashian's ass may be) we could start up incredible aircraft like that easier.....
@machia0705 6 жыл бұрын
We Americans beat your kraut asses in WW2😃🇺🇸 By the way , I’m German-American and my Mom’s cousin flew with the Luftwaffe in Jadgeschwader 77 in an ME-109 . He was an ace .
@robertparobechek6580 6 жыл бұрын
The Russian soldier did 90% of the work.... pretty boys like Eisenhower and Churchill took all the credit!
@postmortem9642 6 жыл бұрын
machia0705 americans are just "erntehelfer"! ask the russians about the real terrible war in the east! western front is just a "nebenkriegsschauplatz", more then 50 war-declarations against germany and he talks about kicking ass... like rambo ;-)
@FiveCentsPlease 13 жыл бұрын
@EnterpriseXI This plane has not flown since AAF testing. It was bought derelict by Doug Champlin and shipped to Germany for restoration from 1972-1976 by Art Williams, whose wife had contacts in German aerospace. Kurt Tank was still alive and assisted in the rebuild. The engine was restored to running, but missing a key part, so no flights. It was occasionally ran at the museum. A second restoration was done on this plane recently to correct things, but it will not fly and was not ran again.
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
@damnonii Both. They are demonstrating the inertial starter (which can also be turned electrically) and the engine is missing the Kommandogerät control and can only idle. A well-maintained wartime aircraft would probably start easier. The plane was restored again a few years ago and a Kommandogerät was located, but no more engine runs have been performed after rebuild. The plane belongs to a different museum now.
@FiveCentsPlease 11 жыл бұрын
Inertial start was used on some Allied aircraft as well. Direct start motors were heavy back then, and inertial start was both for weight reduction and for rough field conditions when the optional external electric power for starting was not available.
@mashamori Жыл бұрын
I love her engine's sound. It's so strong!!!!!!
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
@chrysanthos66 Inertial starter, essentially a flywheel to engage an engine starter. It could also be spun up electrically. Direct starters for these big engines during that time were heavy, so this saved weight.
@Sledgie555 15 жыл бұрын
The engine in this plane is a Jumo 213 E, A DB605 was never fitted to a FW190 for production. The earlier comment about the OFMC 109 being unreliable was due to the metal the engine was made from rather than the ability of the OFMC to tune it.The bombing raids made late war engine manufacture a very hard practise.. they made what they could with what they could find.
@christopheschwartz7374 5 жыл бұрын
Quelle élégante musique du Jumo 213 et pour la bête féroce et magnifique à la fois!...
@FiveCentsPlease 13 жыл бұрын
@Dragonryder813 The Bosch Schwungkraftanlasser was not a direct-drive starter, but an inertial starter that could be energized by hand (turning a hand crank) or by 24-volt electric power source. There is a power connector on the fuselage for external power. Direct-drive starters big enough to turn these engines were heavy and this starter saved weight. Inertial starting was used on a number of engines, both German and Allied.
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
@roald1967 Early flat style canopies had a pulley/spring system to keep the antenna wire tight when the canopy was open. Later blown style canopies did not have the pulley and the wire went slack when opened. Since Fw190s were known to be re-manufactured into later marks, it is possible that a reused early flat canopy could be missing the pulley system. The D9 with a blown style canopy would have the wire slack when open.
@malcolmcarter1726 Жыл бұрын
I guess this is not going back in the air. It would be amazing to see a Dora flying again. There were rumours that FlugWerke were going to make some 'New build' Dora 9's but Ive heard nothing more of this. But to see and hear that big Jumo run is sweet indeed.
@FiveCentsPlease Жыл бұрын
+ malcolm carter Flugwerk produced three "Dora" series aircraft - one assembled example with an Allison V12 and two more in pieces. The Allison-engined example has never flown and I think was never certified to fly. It's at the museum in Virginia Beach, rumored to be waiting on a Jumo engine and rework but not much happening with it. The other two Flugwerk Doras are being used for projects, but nothing that is moving very fast. At least one Flugwerk Fw-190A owner has also converted their aircraft to Fw-190D standard, also with an Allison engine. There was a nice magazine writeup about it, but no follow-up to my knowledge indicating any testing or flying. The Fw-190D-13 in this video was given a new restoration to correct many things and it is currently in Paul Allen's Flying Heritage Museum as a static display. It is not flown and I agree that it should never be flown because it is the ONLY surviving D-13 in the world. Other Fw-190D examples will eventually fly.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
@dzdz80 Electric starters with enough direct torque to turn an engine were heavy during WWII, though some were used. Other methods were inertial flywheel (used here) or small explosive cartridge to turn the motor. I believe the inertial starter used here can be turned manually or electrically. In Luftwaffe service it would probably have started much easier, and this one was missing an engine control component. Inertial starters were used by both Allied and Luftwaffe planes.
@FiveCentsPlease 13 жыл бұрын
@muddstrosity The Bosch starter can be turned manually by ground crew during rough field conditions or electrically with an external start cart/generator. There's a power plug on the right side near the black cross. Me109s could be started either way was well. This start technique was not limited to Germans. Some US aircraft had similar starting methods (or used as a backup start method.) A newly maintained wartime aircraft would start quicker. This one was missing an important engine part.
@Vadogga 6 жыл бұрын
Handcranking a Focke-Wulf: Priceless
@FiveCentsPlease 6 жыл бұрын
+Automotive 65 The hand-inertia start was available on many aircraft, usually as a backup start method. Faster for Luftwaffe ground crews than connecting start carts for electric power.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
@osgood54 It was filmed in 1990 at the Champlin Aviation Museum during a Fighter Aces Symposium. The engine was occasionally ran at idle speed only. Since then, the airplane has been fully restored for a second time and is on display at the Museum of Flight. No more engine runs have been done after the new restoration.
@fabianseewald7884 4 жыл бұрын
these engines are practically as advanced as everything we use in cars today! v12 power!
@TheDimistron 4 жыл бұрын
This moment when americans think their engines and turbos are advanced
@fabianseewald7884 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheDimistron want to make her powerful?put a German Engine in it!
@EnviXR81 3 жыл бұрын
As thankful as I am , and as cool as the 51s are, that FW is what they went to see. Great video of once adversaries.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
This plane was restored for a second time recently to a higher original standard and now resides in a museum. No more engine runs have been performed. Several airworthy Me109s have made modifications to the engine to include an electric starter to spin up the flywheel to replace this hand-crank method.
@megatwingo 11 жыл бұрын
This plane is equipped with an electrical starter. I'm glad that I can give you this information.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
Two of the new Flug Werk A-8/N models have been converted to the long-nose D-9 standard. One is in FL having final prep before test flights using an Allison V12 engine (usable Jumo engines being quite rare and expensive.) I believe the other is being used for a D-9 project in Europe. See the KZfaq video for "De Dora van Waasmunster"
@achillesavendano5267 Жыл бұрын
Ms.Dora is by far an elegant machine never to be replaced in the accolades of aviation history.
@FiveCentsPlease 15 жыл бұрын
This is the original Jumo 213 that remained with the aircraft. They aircraft was given to a technical school after the war (instead of being scrapped by the AAF) and later it was bought by a private individual. It remained in outside storage for decades until it was bought by collector Doug Champlain in the early 1970s. Champlain recently sold the plane after new restoration a few years ago.
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
@TehGav The missing Kommandogerät controls the mixture and they only ran it at idle. A Kommandogerät was found and installed when it was rebuilt again, but the new owners don't do engine runs.
@yves3560 2 жыл бұрын
Inertia starters, Schwungkraftanlasser, just love them.. They are great on panzers too. 🙂
@notsureyou 11 жыл бұрын
The British code named theirs RDF, but it was still a radar, the german one called: Funkmessgerät für Untersuchung (radio measuring device for reconnaissance), but it too was also a radar. So yes the Americans coined the offical term of RADAR, and later in the war came up with some brilliant radars, it was however due in a large part to the technological gains from G.B.
@bobsakamanos4469 Ай бұрын
Very sleek and effective design.
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
It's the original engine. Since this had been a captured test aircraft for the AAF it's possible that it would have had one or more engine changes during testing before it was disposed of by the AAF. We are lucky that this aircraft survived after a long journey from a technical school and several private owners.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
@cfs3000 It was missing an engine control part (the Kommandogerat) when this was filmed in 1990 and it could only idle. The missing part was located when it was restored again a few years ago, but no more engine runs were performed before it went on static display.
@Fritztoons 14 жыл бұрын
The old gentleman at the beginning was the veteran ace Günther Rall!
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
The aircraft was fully restored for a second time a few years ago to a higher standard than the original 1970s restoration and given the correct marking based on photos of the aircraft from the war. It was offered for sale and purchased by the Flying Heritage Museum. It's restored to near-airworthy condition but there are no plans to fly it because it is a one-of-a-kind example of the D-13. The restoration team wanted to perform some engine runs, but they were on a deadline to finish.
@FiveCentsPlease 16 жыл бұрын
A computer was located for the Jumo engine when this aircraft was restored for the second time a few years ago--prior to purchase by the Flying Heritage Collection. The engine has not been started after the restoration and it's doubtful that it will be flown. Who would've thought we'd be operating any DB engines in flying 109s 20 years ago. Also, two flying 109s have modified the engines to include electric start for the reasons you point out. More experience operating the Jumo engine is needed.
@he177 15 жыл бұрын
It's a D-13, since then completely restored and at the Museum of Flight in Seattle.
@PaddyPatrone 10 жыл бұрын
Awl Derpy The DB engines had the Air-Intake on the left, the Jumo had the Air-Intake on the right side of the plane.
@FiveCentsPlease 15 жыл бұрын
A Fw200C-3 was raised from Trondheimsfjord in Norway. It broke in half while it was being raised from the water. It is now under restoration for the Technical Museum of Berlin. It is formerly F8+CL from 7./KG40 and was lost on Feb. 22, 1942. This is the only Fw200 that exists.
@ChrisDonohue91 14 жыл бұрын
i wish i knew anything about these old planes this is some of the coolest stuff ive ever seen
@Sledgie555 14 жыл бұрын
The engine is a Jumo 213E, the plane is a D13 variant. Basically its got alot of parts that the TA152/3 would of had. VS10 prop, all weather capable (ish) , big air intake, deleted cowl guns. Very fast plane easy match for the P51 or late model Spitfire.
@notsureyou 11 жыл бұрын
yes, the Fw190D also known as the long nose, was fitted with the Jumo 213 liquid cooled inverted V12 engine.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
@GRATZIANI2002 He was still alive when the airplane was originally restored in Germany in the 1970s, and provided assistance. The plane was recently restored again to newer restoration quality and to replace many sub-standard fittings not available during the first restoration.
@skooter2767k 15 жыл бұрын
Yes the Daimler Benz and Junkers engines are hard to obtain, but there are still some out there! There are currently 2 ME109Es and 3 BF109Gs flying with original Daimler Benz 601 and 605 engines respectively. Several Junkers engines are currently runnable, and about half a dozen being rebuilt for FW190D restorations, and for 3 JU88s being restored to airworthy condition. The D9 at Stallion 51 is a new built FLUGWERKE 190D with a modified upright Allison, with a custom exhaust to appear the same
@zanegrey1256 2 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful aircraft the 190 is I love this aircraft it's my favourite.
@FiveCentsPlease 14 жыл бұрын
@GRATZIANI2002 To save weight, many German (and some Allied engines) used a hand-crank inertial flywheel as a starting method. The Jumo 213 has the inertial starter (Schwungkraftanlasser) being used here. With modern technology, you will notice the flying Me109 restorations have added a small electric motor to spin the flywheel for starting.
@FiveCentsPlease 13 жыл бұрын
@jrkepler The inertial starter could also be turned over electrically. External engine heating was sometimes used by air forces during winter as well.
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
@roald1967 This the only surviving and rare Fw190 D-13 series. The larger oval supercharger intake is for the more powerful Jumo 213E engine. The upper gun cover is flat because there were no upper guns on the D-13. The oval intake is not the same shape as the Ta-152. The original was chopped off by a crazy drunk with an axe while the plane was stored outside near Atlanta several decades ago. A new intake had to made without blueprints and without another example to copy.
@Lightjug 15 жыл бұрын
If this is the D-9 at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, then it most likely is the one from the Champlain Fighter Museum that used to be in Phoenix AZ.
@FiveCentsPlease 13 жыл бұрын
@FFulmenTheFinnish The is an ultra-rare Fw190D-13 which was donated to a technical school after AAF testing and then sold. The owner stored it outside for decades and at the mercy of vandals until it was bought in poor condition and restored in the 1970s. Other than the parts that went missing (prop, seat, cockpit parts) it's original with the original engine. Although restored to airworthy it has never flown since AAF testing (and should not because it's so rare.) More....
@FiveCentsPlease 11 жыл бұрын
The aircraft above is the only surviving D-13. It was delivered to service with JG26 in March 1945 and was surrendered in May 1945, and was one of the four D series taken to the US for evaluation.
@FiveCentsPlease 12 жыл бұрын
Yes it's an original Jumo. The engine was missing an important part and could only idle. The missing part has been found and the plane was restored again a few years ago. It is now part of the Flying Heritage Collection as a rare static display and the engine is not started. There are no plans to fly it.
@Workerbee-zy5nx 2 ай бұрын
Wind up toy, Sorry Heinz and frits I had the master switch off..😂😂😂
@megatwingo 12 жыл бұрын
@neverboardproduction In this thread is several times said, that this FW190 had an electrical starter. The aircraft in the video was missing an important part for the motor management. Sorry, I don´t wanna sound like smart ass, but sometimes it´s helpful to read a tiny part of a thread beneath a video before posting a naive conclusion. Do you really think, the people who invented the first jets, guided bombs and camera guided rockets can´t equip it´s piston fighters with an electrical starter?
@wirelessone2986 4 жыл бұрын
Ty
@FiveCentsPlease 13 жыл бұрын
@FFulmenTheFinnish Not bad for an engine refurbished in the 1970s (after years outdoors) and missing a critical part. When the second restoration for this plane was finished a few years ago, they wanted to do some more engine runs but they were under deadline to get it shipped to the new museum. So there were no more runs although it would have been nice to see on a fresh restoration. A few D-9 projects are just starting and hopefully they will provide some engine runs or perhaps a flier later.
@Fritztoons 14 жыл бұрын
@antipalin Yes. Sure the FW 190ies have had electric starters as well. See at the end of the vid. The hand driven fly wheel was a on board alternative option in case the ground crew s had no power supplies.
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