Gabster D11 Dac and Streamer with Ultracapacitors Part 2

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Gabster

Gabster

2 жыл бұрын

Build a Amazing High end DIY Music Streamer and Dac Part 2
For Part 1 see: • Part 1 Building the G...
I am using available components, running on the worlds ultimate power supply, Ultracapacitors .
I am not affiliated, sponsored or receive any incentive from anyone.
This Build would not be possible without Ian Canada's great inventions and dedication to the DIY audio community.
Main parts used
UltraCapacitors 3V 3000 uf : amzn.to/3JmZN7r
Ian Canada: github.com/iancanada/Document...
(Scroll down the link to find the parts listed below, if you click on the link below each image it opens up so you can download the pdf manual for each component, valuable info.)
UC Pure UltraCapacitorPowerSupply
FifoPi Q3
ReClockPi low noise low jitter double reclocker
UcMateConditioner 5V
LinearPi Solo Linear Power supply
Dual Mono Dac HAT
ESS controller
IV transformers Contact Ivan
www.diyaudio.com/community/me...
Ultra capacitors can also be found from DigiKey or Mouser
Ultra capacitors balancing boards
www.ebay.ca/itm/263808746013?...
Some of the links in my video descriptions are affiliate links. At no extra cost to you, I will make a small commission if you click them .

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@allenh.7373
@allenh.7373 2 жыл бұрын
Some might say you've taken things to far. I think, you've taken things to just the right place. So good to have representation on KZfaq of this niche corner of the audiophile world that has a small but extremely dedicated following. Newcomers like me can never have enough resources as we are learning and navigating the various options and builds, so this video is invaluable. Thank you Gabster!
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Allen
@deang5622
@deang5622 2 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in seeing a block diagram of this, depicting data flow and power flow to the components
@seemtorecall78
@seemtorecall78 2 жыл бұрын
Its clear from the pictures on the wall that the room was shaking with bass :) Thanks for the video very interesting!
@nicolasfieldsoundservices
@nicolasfieldsoundservices Жыл бұрын
super inspiring work!
@jameshunt9870
@jameshunt9870 Жыл бұрын
Great work! And thank you so much for sharing it with us, that is very nice of you. There are a number or R2R ladder DAC circuit boards available on Aliexpress, ranging in price from about $130 to $600. I am tempted but there are no reviews yet.
@tobyking4172
@tobyking4172 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Gabby, You videos have been very inspiring. Just after your first DAC video I started to build my own Ian Canada DAC. We used some of the same ideas at the same time! Ian and Ivan are great and very helpful. I used Ivan's large TRF as an active splitter board for two XLR outs on the DAC powered by two separate LifePO4 units. Wish you lived closer i would love to get you feedback. Your speaker build also inspired me to have a go and now I am building speakers to, not as nice as yours but for a first pass just trying. Big thanks to you for your content.
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you are building your own it is a very rewarding experience 😊
@alap4381
@alap4381 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Waiting to get a video on complet build process please.
@SheikhN-bible-syndrome
@SheikhN-bible-syndrome Жыл бұрын
The good thing about super capacitors is if they get over voltage unlike a regular capacitor that will explode like a bomb these super capacitors will just dead short internally so no boom
@jungtarcph
@jungtarcph Жыл бұрын
Listening to this on my Thinkpad speakers haha :P
@ivxformers_com
@ivxformers_com 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Gabby, nice job! I think it will be very interesting if you will power all of your DAC parts from UCs. Taking into account that RPi can be a standalone player (or acts like the end point via WiFi) it will be possible to avoid all the external power cables including a wall plug then at all. I think you will be able to listen for hours from charged UCs. You will have possibility to check how all these cables and PSUs impacts on to the SQ in real. I do not insist. Just as an option for further consideration.
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 Жыл бұрын
Great idea in theory but in practice you will need to charge the ultracaps every 3 h or so and that can be dangerous over a long time accidentally shorting one. the UCPure disengages from the caps via relay so it does separate I think Ian did a nice clever design.
@ivxformers_com
@ivxformers_com Жыл бұрын
@@Gabster1 Regarding the danger. I think it's too late to think about it since you've already dealing with the ultracaps and you can't instantly switch them off if something will go wrong, isn't it?😁 More often you charge UCs or less often - this is a secondary question. Good, but second plan question. Regarding theory... This is not a theory, my DAC works exactly this way many months already. Not as automated as with UCpure power supplies, but the principle is the same. The charging PSUs themselves are placed in a separate case. I do mainly listen with the power supplies connected, as during the day the music plays in the background. But for responsible listening, I turn off the PSUs manually (5 multipin connecting cables). The influence of these five cables in my case is audible even if they are connected only to the DAC (removed from the PSU case) chassis, not talking about PSUs themselves influence especially when they working. 🤝
@GavinHodgson
@GavinHodgson Жыл бұрын
Following! Interested in your comments on commercial DACs vs this setup.
@Th3_Gael
@Th3_Gael 2 жыл бұрын
Loved your videos on this. It's difficult finding info on ians system
@tobyking4172
@tobyking4172 2 жыл бұрын
Gael, see my comments above. Email me if you want some guidance. Its a fantastic system with enormous potential.
@robh9079
@robh9079 2 жыл бұрын
Do I spy meccano?! - (holding the screen) - great work and thanks for sharing.
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 2 жыл бұрын
Good eye Rob yes the meccano comes handy sometime you must be from my generation to spot them 😊
@Quarryparksharks
@Quarryparksharks 2 жыл бұрын
love your work! once you are finished, will there be build plans for people to try and build for themselves?
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 2 жыл бұрын
There will be a more detailed build video 😊
@martinblomqvist5135
@martinblomqvist5135 Жыл бұрын
Hi, Tks for great videos :-). It has become quite popular in Sweden to upgrade and improves Sonab speakers. I want to upgrade a Sonab OA-116. But it is difficult to find someone to design great crossovers. Would you like to help with that? I think it would be very well met among enthusiasts. This is a wild question. But you seem to be very clever with your engineering. Anyway. Tks for a great channel.
@indigo8440
@indigo8440 Жыл бұрын
Hi Gabby, first of all I like to thank you for your inspiring content. If I would like to use this streamer dac in an active system what would be the best way to integrate the dsp ?
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian's Opa 861 is as good if not better I did a Video about it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i6hihst5rtKxpY0.html
@philiphua2562
@philiphua2562 Жыл бұрын
hi Gabby, could I ask if the streamer section of this DAC sounds the same as yours existing one? Ian Canada uses a linear PSU connected to his supercapacitors. I like what you have done but it may just be too bulky for me. Thank you, Philip
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 Жыл бұрын
Hi Philip it should be a bit better but it is hard to test it as this one does not have any i2s output the idea here is to eliminate a lot of middle parts it is a direct as can be from rpi to analog without preamp, with all ultra caps. I wanted to stay away from batteries. a linear PSU connected to supercapacitors is a 3d best option after batteries to supercapacitors. the differences are small but every 1% counts and adds up.
@user-od9iz9cv1w
@user-od9iz9cv1w Жыл бұрын
After you get it sorted with the final power supplies, let us know your honest assessment of performance of the two DAC's. Your first effort was no slouch with uconditioners on linear power supplies. Does the UC Pure deliver perceptible results. Then give us a sound demo. What would be great is the same tracks that you used to demo DAC 1.0 vs this ultimate effort.
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks will do, I am very curious as well how it stacks up against the big guys
@marekjancik5972
@marekjancik5972 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the nice video! In you precedent streamer, you used a second raspberry pi for the screen. Is it not useful anymore with the Rpi 4?
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 2 жыл бұрын
I may have went too far with the streamer adding a screen did not cause any changes in the sound specially if you keep it away The plan is to have the entire screen outside the Chassis with extra metal casing for it.
@jrhammond95003
@jrhammond95003 Жыл бұрын
of course I have a bunch of questions! 3 dual power transformers, 1 winding feeding the RPi(linearPi/UcController), 1 winding feeding the FifoPi/ReclockPi, 3 windings feeding the DAC, and 1 winding feeding Ivan's board? Are you going to put LinearPi/UcControllers between each power transformer and the 5 UcPure/ultracaps?
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 Жыл бұрын
Hi John The Ucpure accept AC 12v and have a built in dc conversion (diode bridge) and regulation so no need it will be direct ac 12v to UCPure Gaby
@gges1605
@gges1605 10 ай бұрын
I wonder from what you have said if you doubled up on the supercapacitors and switched between them when they needed charged you would effectively run from an isolated supply all the time so every 3 hours or so when one bank needs charged it switches to the other bank and then charges the bank its just switched out. May be a bit OTT if it only takes a few minutes to recharge .
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 10 ай бұрын
Ian has a new version that can charge on idle music time and between songs so you can run mostly on pure mode
@gges1605
@gges1605 10 ай бұрын
@@Gabster1 sounds like Ian is on the ball that was just me thinking out loud above but it seems Ian has been working on a way to accomplish what I was thinking of without having to double the amount of supercaps. Looking at the quality of the gear your using Gabby its obvious you have an ear for quality so you captured my attention, right now I listen mostly on headphones focal clear mgs with the focal arche dac/amp. We moved house and now have someone below us who I doubt would enjoy listening to my music through the ceiling but having great quality sound is still important to me the arche is a fantastic dac but there's always room to improve especially if I could build it myself for a fraction of the £2.5k that the arche cost.
@GavinHodgson
@GavinHodgson Жыл бұрын
How much were each pair of ultra caps?
@Quannguyen-hr2kn
@Quannguyen-hr2kn 9 ай бұрын
Please demo play sound!.
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 8 ай бұрын
Check out the 3 Macintosh video few demo songs in there
@stephanmuller4059
@stephanmuller4059 Жыл бұрын
Hi, what Software is Running on the pi ? Thank you
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 Жыл бұрын
Ropieee xl running as a Roon endpoint
@stephanmuller4059
@stephanmuller4059 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 Жыл бұрын
Just a quick question, if the DAC power is being supplied by ultra capacitor banks why do you need the high end power supply as that is just charging the capacitors? Surely it makes no difference if there is a little noise on the charging supply as any noise in that part of the system is completely isolated from the DAC during operation. Am I missing something?
@black.phoenix.
@black.phoenix. Жыл бұрын
Nope... That's the part that for me doesn't really stick. If the DAC itself never is fed by the PSU, then it doesn't matter if the PSU is a high end or a wall brick with noise. What it matters is that it keeps the capacitors charge. Same as filling a water bucket: It doesn't matter if the water comes from a cup or a hose. There are other things that as a objectivist and science/measurement driven person I would simply point as not accurate or "snake oil" but I learned to respect the others and their believes. Who knows if I'm not going to be suprised also and proved wrong?
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 Жыл бұрын
@@black.phoenix. Yeh, there is much in the audiophile world that is just taking suckers money. I see so many just wasting their money on things that have absolutely no impact on the actual audio. In this case the only thing that needs the high end clean supply is the DAC and then anything in the analogue path after that like preamp and power amp, opto isolation on the digital feed to the DAC is also an easy win . The digital domain will not benefit from expensive stable supplies at all. Unless things are so bad that the digital stream is being corrupted in some way requiring some form of error correction it's a waste of money. Same thing with jitter correction, totally unnecessary unless you are transmitting the audio over tens of metres of cable. Better to save money where it doesn't matter and spend on better DAC and analogue path components.
@black.phoenix.
@black.phoenix. Жыл бұрын
@@schrodingerscat1863 exactly that. The ones from the jitter is the ones I love to debunk. I worked in telecom and yes there you need jitter correction and have attenuation problems, specially in xDSL that use from the 4Khz band up (normal POTS voice use under that). But we are talking of KMs not less than 20m inside the room of a audiophile in cables. Attenuation is non problem. Close to the equipment you can have 24Mbps downstream no brain. After 1KM it drops to 16Mbps. The trick is always try to get the max speed by keeping the attenuation in the line above 13dB. That will be 2 dB less in the winter and rainy/humid days. Under 10 is mostly a connection that fails some times a day, under 8 the equipment can't negotiate a connection and mostly is no service. Of course we are talking about through a pair of copper wire who get sun, cold, hot, humid, etc through is entire life on a pole and it was the cheapest available at the time or never replaced in 30 years, in thin gauge, not the size the audio cables are, 12 AWG. So if I was able to give a customer 8Mbps down/1Mbps up at 3Km of where the xDSL equipment where with shitty copper cable, an audiophile can hear everything a music have to give in his room with a 12AWG oxygen free copper cable that cost 40 dollar a role in the hardware shop. And don't talk about the skin effect. Skin effect is only prevalent in high voltage scenarios, tens of KV, so high voltage power lines. Audio doesn't work in such ranges of voltage, so again a non problem (that some cable manufacturers love to point - I'm talking about you Abyss).
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 Жыл бұрын
@@black.phoenix. In data transmission jitter can be a problem but in these audio systems it is travelling no more than a few inches so is not even close to being a problem at the data rates involved.
@black.phoenix.
@black.phoenix. Жыл бұрын
@@schrodingerscat1863 read my entire comment please. We are saying the same but in different wording.
@rogerperreault441
@rogerperreault441 Жыл бұрын
Can’t see your links on your great videos.
@Gabster1
@Gabster1 Жыл бұрын
Click on the show more in the description :)
@rogerperreault441
@rogerperreault441 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
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