Yeah I’m trying to think of another example of a show making that point (at least during this era). There’s plenty of lessons about treating women as equals and such, but there was always that underlying implication that they’re still fundamentally different.

Men and women will always be different I some ways. It's nature It doesn't mean either is better or worse

If you ever have two friends from different groups and think, "You'll like each other. You're exactly the same." They will invariably hate each other.

Or end up together😍😍

In Lister’s case, yes. Rimmer hasn’t really been shown to be misogynistic in any other episode, so that seems to have been a trait that was invented to make the point. He became more a stand-in for pushy guys in general.

Apart from Holly and Hilly, who got on *very* well.

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I knew she looked familiar!

Oh yes, that is worth a watch. Ancelyn was hot as hell too! Plus, that series is the reason my brother and I have a good relationship. Until then we barely spoke. Bonding over dr who side characters. We both fell for Ancelyn! 🤪

Was just about to write that.

And the councilor in Only Fools and Horses, you know the one...

She was also in the TV production of the classic Nice Work. The Arlene Rimmer actress was one of the most memorable characters in Mr. Bean: the French painting teacher.

With the quality we had on our 8" TV's back then... who would have noticed it?

Tongue Tied was a hit in the UK. It peaked at no. 17 in 1993, five years after this episode was first broadcast.

The version that charted was a remix of sorts and, in my opinion, far inferior to the show version. But the fact a random comedy track from a cult Sci Fi charted at all was always impressive.

@@austinseven4720 I actually have the Vhs release of the music video, it swaps out the crew for an animated claymation version of the Cat, its still funny but not as good as Lister grabbing his crotch to reach the high note!

I was such a nerd back then I actually bought this. I still have it stuffed away on a shelf somewhere 🧐

I still have the cd single

​@@SengirIndustriesCD? Pfft I've got the cassette and the video 😅

And every one of the cast hated doing it. It still makes me cringe.

I prefer the original from Son of Cliché, although it's only really half a song as they take the whole tongue-tied thing to the extreme.

Oh definitely. You really have to read the entire opening credits of season 3 episode 1 to get what’s happening.

I mean it really isn't, the whole reverse sexism scifi plot has been a thing since the 1960s at least

Decades ahead in what way? Science fiction about swapped gender roles was quite common in the 1970s.

My head cannon is that they reached where Earth was 3 million years ago. The Earth has moved 5 degrees around the Milky Way since then. Now being located in the Milky Way Galaxy, the crew now regularly finds more wreckage of human civilisation that they encounter over the next few series.

@@Meritania That idea makes alot of sense, we go from "3 million years in deep space" to bumping into everything as if it was just a thousand years ago. Makes sense on the density of stuff vs previously.

The same problem happened with HG Wells Time Machine. Unless the machine has wheels or Warp Drive, it CAN move through time BUT NOT space!

@@Meritania I just calculated the distance the earth moves in 3 million years. It's almost exactly 2300 light years.

Without the solid character grounding the new look wouldn't have worked half as well .

Seeing as I was born in '91, I obviously wasn't around to watch it all as it was broadcast. But for me the first two series have always been among my favourites, precisely because of the lower budget. Something about the dodgy props, wobbly sets and slightly hammy effects gives it a real charm and character all of its own. And being more restrictive, it was much more character driven, so you really got to know the characters well, before they got dropped into the more elaborate plots and locations of the later series.

I dont really agree, series 1 was funny but a bit stiff, series 2 they were starting to not take themselves seriously and series 3 was when it hit its stride (Then the restored Red Dwarf seasons wernt very good but the specials after that e.g. when they reached Earth and parodied Blade Runner were back to being good again).

I've watched this series many times since it's inception and because of the fast scroll of the opening crawl never really read it. So I always thought that Holly and Hilly switched ships, it was only today after watching the first episode of 3 and read it did I realize Holly did a sex head change on himself and it's was still Holly all along. Doah! Lmao. I like that a lot better.

They'll have to read very quickly

@@IanM-id8or introducing an incredible new innovation, the pause button...

Kenneth More ,played Chrighton the butler who took charge when his aristocratic family was shipwrecked and refused to take credit when they were rescued . Worth a watch .

Yes and no... All else being parallel, yes, kind of. But the patriarchy as well as the idea of family units would probably not have formed in the first place without ideas of ownership that arose out of agriculture, and those constructs could have developed differently. It's entirely possible to envision a scenario where a matriarchy formed around an entirely different relationship to the land and the fruits of labor. Or where men typically getting pregnant created a domino effect on what social constructs formed around agriculture, resulting in a societal structure that's neither patriarchal nor matriarchal. Perhaps even one where sex characteristics would be seen as individual attributes rather than a basis for categorizing humans as "men" and "women" in the first place. "Making total sense" is somewhat relative to various factors and biases.

@@Swenglish Sex is far too important for it not to be a major way of categorizing humans. Much less significant factors like skin colour have been and are used in a similar fashion.

@@peterjackson4763 But there's more than one way of interpreting and categorizing sex. Since sex characteristics are distributed bimodally, leading to common groupings, it's easy but not exactly scientific to construct a normative binary model and "ignore" (or worse, erase) exceptions to the apparent pattern, but that starts from the idea of placing value on normativity and marginalizing outliers, which is kind of arbitrary. "Abnormal" and "exceptional" are two different words for the same thing, differentiated only by bias (with perhaps "uncommon" being more neutral synonym). In a world where sex characteristics are similarly bimodally distributed but in different common groupings (i.e. people with "male" external genitals and secondary sex characteristics are more likely to have the capacity to get pregnant), biases may evolve differently and normativity may not be valued above individuality the way you may take for granted. In such a scenario, it's possible that common groupings would be seen as a mere side effect of the interplay between developmental factors (to whatever extent they are understood) and statistical probability and not as important to defining a person's identity as individual characteristics. Part of that is how willing people are to talk about the observation of something uncommon in the context of sex, and how early in the development of cultural biases and categorizations those conversations are taking place. Taboo and confirmation bias go hand in hand in enhancing the illusion of a binary, after all, and given different biases and taboos in combination with different common groupings, the bimodal distribution may be interpreted differently.

@@Swenglish On the individual level the binary classification is people I want to have sex with and those I don't. That varies from person to person but is not arbitrary nor an illusion for those individuals. Biology also dictates that some pairings can lead to pregnancy and some can't, and evolution requires that pairings that can be common. BTW family units existed in some hunter gatherer societies. It is unlikely that the idea originated with agriculture, though that may have made it more common.

@@peterjackson4763 In our reality, there are people born with a vulva and undescended testes, and various other "atypical" combinations of attributes that may result in not being able to get pregnant or impregnate anyone in spite of what one might expect based on generalizations. Attributes externally visible at birth are not a 100% accurate indicator of a person's reproductive ability, even setting aside any external factors that may disrupt the ability or its development (and then there are atypical combinations of attributes that *are* visible at birth). It's impossible to accurately divide all humans into people who can get pregnant and people who can impregnate based on a glance. There will inevitably be exceptions to the general observation. How a culture deals with the reality of that inconsistency depends on various contextual, chronological and memetic factors. The general pattern and the contradictory evidence are filtered together through everything else. If for example the general pattern is discovered by someone who themself is an exception to it, or has already observed one, the pattern may be interpreted differently from the very beginning. And that's not even getting into identity and the brain, which is a whole other can of worms (although there seems to be some overlap).

Thank you!! ☺️🤘🏼

Even Chris Barrie said it started to flow at S3. More money and colour. It's all great though and a journey.

just gave away a spoiler I'm sure the gals loved that.

@@santanamauricio Probably as much as all the other comments, in every other S.2 episode, telling them as much

@@santanamauricio No I did not.

The first 2 series developed the characters , the seemingly hopeless situation they were in and all the weird and wonderful situations that could arise from that . Combing sitcom and sci-fi and capturing an audience is a pretty good achievement . Series three they were given the budget to really make it work .But I don't think it would have been taken seriously without the first two series .

I know the blu rays are upscaled but how is the PQ? I still have the original DVD's which were not remastered.

@@nicholasgarratt5646 Seems fine to me. I know some people have moaned about the difference but I think you'd need Kryten level optical equipment to spot the difference.

Favourite game, spot the Dr Who actors that have appeared in Death in Paradise too...

@@robertharris2262 Yeah, I've played that game myself a few times 😁.

Also the full production version of the video they clipped at the beginning of the episode without the laugh tracks.

I had this series on VHS or DVD and it had the uncut production at the start. Just proves their combined talent.

Danny John-Jules didn't write the song. An earlier version, also with lyrics by Grant and Naylor, appeared in their radio series "Son Of Cliche" which was broadcast in 1983. I don't know who actually sang it though.

I've still got the CD single somewhere

​@@quasarsphereNick Wilton, who also voiced Lister prototype 'Dave Hollins: Space Cadet' - then went to play Mr Lister on Eastenders.

first time I've noticed that, and I've got the DVDs

It really isn't.

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