This one gets it

Well, if this is the internet, then your advise can be easily abused and rephrased to "If someone doesn't agree or doesn't understand, just ignore comment". Some comments don't worth time but it is really hard to separate misunderstanding from hm... lets call it overconfidence in their abilities and knowledge. I think from Tim's "naive" answer to the question "why didn't you just fire them all", we as a community will get more.

Well, this is very irrational and insane comment from you, therefore you are one of those insane people you are talking about, since people are the same everywhere, human nature is the same, and the Internet is just a part of real life, symbiosis established for a raletively long time.

Don’t forget trolling.

Correct. I'm just watching a game developer talking. Tim is talking to a mass audience. On that scale there will always be someone who, for whatever reason, misses the point. That response is not representative of the entire audience. How to determine which comments are not worth your time? Well, you still have to read them, but if there are no arguments, reason, evidence, logic formulated, you can just discard the comment. If the person didn't think their perspective valuable enough to be accompanied with some reason, evidence or logic, that's not our loss to discard it out of hand.

@@torv2204 That's hardly an abuse, that's just the right way to handle such comments. Especially when the communication is one to many, like in Tim's case. Ain't got time for that.

Sometimes boss is a bad guy just because someone has to be. One can found self in bad guy position just because everyone else unprofessional or too cute to highlight a problem.

Some people just want to come to work with other but lack teamwork

It's the people who want four weeks. 😂

Those were the people that fucked up the outer worlds lol

IT industry is full of adult children who can't handle criticism. (Not all, but that has been my experience being in the industry for 10+ years)

i forget which game it was, but it was made heavily or entirely with temp contract workers. they kept replacing them to keep costs down and half the new guys time would be figuring out what the previous guy was doing.

@@markfreeman4727 There's a lot of candidates for that in the last few years.

do the smallest amount possible to get it to mostly work: it doesn't need to be pretty (the character can be A/T posing aggressively as they slide from spot to spot), it doesn't need to be exact (the AI is running in a circle, at least they are moving), and it can use whatever you know how to work with (if you don't know how to use a map, or if a map exists, then use an array) (if you don't know how to do interpilation functions then have the thing snap to locations on a timer). if it has bugs/errors then work on the ones out that prevent it from functioning, and only look at the precision when the numbers don't make sense. optimize / make it pretty / change interfaces (data types) when it works when rapid prototyping your goal is not 60 FPS with perfect approximations of reality, your goal is: it doesn't crash, and you are moving in the direction you want to achieve. all of this being said there is a thought process in projects: "don't submit stuff that must be modified later" if you are working in a larger team (probably under source/version control) you don't want to be submitting a rapid prototype for integration (be the full project or just a feature). "if you build it right the first time you won't need to fix it later" this is where a lot of the 'caution' comes from (and why 4 week estimate on a 45-60 minute task) especially if you don't know what data structures should be used, or if the logic even makes sense to begin with, and if you could build it 'right' to begin with then you have probably made it before so you aren't rapid prototyping you are just using iterative design. "just look up a guide if you don't know' software engineers are glorified problem solvers and the real difference between Junior and Senior is a Junior needs to be told how to work on things, while a Senior can work through how to work on things.

They don't do great work. Most people are mediocre.

@@rainiermcbane2313 well, that depends on what field we're talking about and what your standards are. In many lines of work "most people" wouldn't even be able to get theough the education needed to get that kind of a job.

"“Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up.” ~ Pablo Picasso

This is a broader issue related to university and how young people are being sheltered from anything before entering the work place. You can't tell me the generation of "microagressions" and "safe spaces" isn't a huge factor on how workplace culture changed in the last decade or so. His entire video is just his first hand account of how the virus we now call wokeness started affect workplace interactions. People too sensitive to even hear a heated discussion, people scared of criticism and accountability... This is all easy to track back to college and the insanity going in there.

You missed the point where it wasn't an issue before and where they don't do great work

even if you weren't raised like that, you can still figure it out. It's all an ego problem as you pointed out.

This is something i had to come to terms with a few years ago and i still battle it to this day.

Passionate discussions can also be people battling their egos, I had a coworker who I cannot converse with because he'll try super hard to overpower everyone with long passionate monologues. I don't mind intense and scream matches, but if someone isn't being heard it's no longer a discussion. Edit: I know what Timothy meant by passionate discussions, and I don't think he's a terrible person.

And we call this "agile." That's what kills me every time.

I think team/organization scale management is definitely a significant component of this. Not the whole tangle of roots, but definitely a hefty part of the core. I'm tempted to look at militaries (historically) as a source of insight, as they are the domain where humanity has consistently worked on that problem *and found solutions.* The problem though is that most of those solutions tend to be... rough on creatives. Even still, I think there's something to how people in large teams need to be *sold* on the core vision of the game and on the core leadership of the project. Trust is a healthy motivator to pushing through discomfort and taking risks. Of course, corporate America has shown us that it's not something you can just create with a few team exercises, and I think our interactions in school and with government have given the last few generations a predisposition towards distrust with authority. ... and now I'm back to not having any good ideas 😂

@@RagTagPwner The military essentially attempts to beat the individuality and originality out of its recruits in favor of "the collective" in "boot camp" and beyond, "collective" being a terrible word for a gaggle of humans, though that's the one still in near-ubiquitous use, as though humans were, say, a bunch of automatronic atoms swirling about one another in a Cosmic soup, completely separate and apart with no shared dreams or desires or ideas or will and in *need* of being told what to do, who to be and what to say/not to say every minute of every day. (Gee, I wonder why?) "Whistleblowers," of course, refute the success of that particular model in molding human beings according to arbitrary will, yet one might argue that very model of "governance" has been adopted across the board from government to business to education to heathcare along with a quite obviously techno-logical mindset that earnestly believes bandaids can heal any and all open wounds. ...and now I'm back to not "having" any ideas. :)

​@@lrinfiwhat are you trying to get across

@@drnage4495 That narcissism (according to its spiritual, not "psychological", definition) and the Newtonian-Cartesian paradigm still rules...for the moment.

and your thinking wellp I glad its not only me...

Precisely 🤣 Plus some of the thoughts shared genuinely help me better navigate the chaos of game dev.🙏

Good luck Joshua. And congratulations on working on a big project.

"LARGE game" "announcement soon" Josh is working on GTA VI confirmed!!!! /s

"LARGE game" "announcement approaches" Josh is working on GTA VI confirmed!!!! /s

"Even if Tod Howerd wanted to innovate and try new things with Starfield he would be swimming against the tide." -- Thank you. One might argue that "swimming against the tide" is precisely what needs to be happening, but it's soooooo much easier said than done. People forget that Bethesda isn't calling all the shots at Bethesda these days. Zenimax was calling quite a few of them there for a while and now Microsoft will be. On the surface, that looks a lot more like an overwhelming tidal wave, but I gather that's why "undergrounds" are even a thing.

​​@@lrinfithat's what happened with redfall zenimax wanted that game because of the trends at the time 2018 the devs didn't want to nor did they had the experience making that sort of game also the pandemic

@@chilbiyito I can just feel the pressure being applied to Bethesda Softworks to monetize everything in its catalog that could possibly be monetized to try and make the recently approved deal between Zenimax and Microsoft look as appealing as possible to investors, but studios historically haven't existed solely to please shareholders, so overly focussed on ROI that game design itself is transformed to adhere to shady monetization practices and psy-ops the studios themselves along with their reputations, definitely, would be far better off without. Yet, they're increasingly being asked (and, even, ordered I'm sure) to engage in Skinner box game design and worse and that makes me wonder how much power the studios themselves wield today with "ownership" entities just a step or two higher up on the pyramid than they, which seem to have no problem throwing them to the wolves when things go wrong. I feel for Arkane. I truly do. So many games like Redfall were in active development when the live service financial bubble burst, we'll probably never hear of them all. And what did the umbrella corporations do when it did? Released games such as Fallout 76 and Redfall in less than ideal states, to put it mildly, effectively washing their hands of them and allowing the studios and their developers to take all the criticism and worse for the debacle. Their reputations may never recover. Studios that self-publish their games are among the most vulnerable because that publishing wing is highly likely to be split off into a separate entity eventually as with Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios. I imagine there's then far less incentive to produce games out of the sheer love of producing interesting, innovative games and far more to please shareholders. It's trends such as these Swen Vincke, et alia, have been heavily criticizing of late, though usually, if not always, solely on behalf of developers and certainly not players. I truly hope Tim won't erase this comment from existence as the incident is public and KZfaq is a public forum, but Brian Birmingham opened up publicly about being terminated after sending an email stating he intended to resign in protest of the stack ranking system utilized by Blizzard at the time if he wasn't relieved of the responsibility of using it himself. I think that's terrible. Blizzard obviously considered him just another expendable cog in the machine. At the same time, though, I can only muster so much sympathy for the guy given the state of World of Warcraft and its own, increasingly insane monetization schemes. He didn't mind participating in those. His conscience only kicked in when people he personally knew and loved and worked with every day were impacted by that corporate employee policy. Never mind the "customers" being "addicted" to WoW and nickle and dimed to death. As a player and not creator of video games, I can empathize with industry professionals far more readily than I can sympathize with them because empathy doesn't require any emotion whereas sympathy does. Developers, no doubt, feel they're alone and powerless to do anything about the way things are going in the industry, but they're not. If established, they have playerbases to draw strength from if they care to protest as opposed to going along with insitutionalized greed that affects them as well as the communities of players they themselves had a hand in forming. Someone will probably shortly mention unionizing and that may help, but will only go so far.

Yup

"there will be one for every person" -- I highly doubt that and agree with our greatest luminaries that it's the structure of human "consciousness" that is at issue, such luminaries including William Blake, Eugen Rosenstock Huessy, Jean Gebser, et alia, along with their present-day contemporaries, e.g. A. H. Almaas, author of 'The Point of Existence: Transformations of Narcissism in Self-Realization'. "If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern." ~ William Blake

Right? I’m literally watching my favorite game kill itself! 🤦🏽‍♂️

Thanks John. I have a lot of stories to tell, but they are all from programming and design perspectives. You should tell art stories!

There have been at least two cases of people who played games, reported a bug, it didn't get fixed and they eventually joined the company, got on the team for the game, fixed the bug, and then quit. Because their only reason to join the company was seeing that bug fixed. I don't think people 'get over' something being broken and not being allowed to see that thing fixed.