God damn. That hit hard.

Nice

Good thing he doesn't have the bloody mess perk.

That's one of the strongest story endings I witnessed. Absolute top legend

"Well tonight's the night bitches die."

Remember that back then there were very little ways to update it, it was put on CD, maybe you would later download a patch or do a new release with the new version on the CD. It wasn't instant and automatic downloads, that made devs lazy.

@@happykanye I don't think game devs are lazy, they often work brutally long hours just to ship a game on time with as few issues as possible. Gamers always give the developers shit but it's the corporate executives that are at fault, they're completely detached from the product and usually don't know the first thing about video games but always rush the process to please their shareholders. They're the ones that should get the backlash, but unfortunately that's not the case.

Said no one at Bethesda

​@@bryan2369 Games from the 90s crashed way more than any Bethesda game I've ever played.

At the time, I recall patches. But the experience itself wasn't broken. No Mutants Allowed had community driven "mods" awhile ago, without completely killing the existing game.

Exactly. You don't get to pick on my team member who inadvertently added a serious bug, I represent the team to you, the same team that worked feverishly to isolate and fix that bug. And this was a learning experience for the team member who inadvertently added the bug. That's what the emphasis should be on. It's like the episode Spider in From The Earth To The Moon. The engineer identified the mistake they made and immediately went to his manager to report it. That he made the mistake isn't what matters, that he knew, on a hunch, to review his math and found it and was proactive in reporting it is what was important. You don't discipline someone like that, they are keepers.

im a programmer and if i had to stand there and take shit for every little typo that i made, i wouldnt be doing this job. No one Codes 8 Hours a Day without making a mistake.

@@Neakas Given the year Fallout was built and what you believe the coding practices were back then and how garbage collection and memory allocation has evolved over the years, do you think something like the

@@timanderson5723 oh it definitely happens today. Which is why appreciate someone who shields me as a lowly programmer from "the customer" :)

Punished for being a good leader is a sign you need to seek a better boss

Man, Mr. Fargo seems like such a great guy, doesn't he?

​@@hillehaiIt's the kind of awful tactic to put pressure on someone so they feel guilty...

I'm sure Fargo wasn't the greatest at the time and made mistakes, I'm bit defending him though. However, he did makes some good games and when he came back to the industry he made wasteland 2 and 3 which were fantastic games.

nah people in his position only get to fail upwards

@@Peglegkickboxer No one will deny that Brian has done a good JOB over the last few decades, but HUMANLY speaking, the way he treated Tim back then was TOTALLY WRONG.

It wasn't too bs because a game breaking bug delayed shipment and there was nobody to be named as responsible for it. However, a change on the decision happened in secrecy and expecting motivation from that are indeed low.

@@xxlCortez It was a simple mistake that any programmer could have made. It wasn't like he wrote an entire function or class that was utterly inept or anything. The company was and would continue to profit from a hit game. Cutting a one-time bonus to one employee over that issue is complete and utter BS, especially while they were under crunch. Tim explained the nature of the bug, and why he felt the programmer wasn't to be reprimanded for it. That should have been good enough for Brian. Taking retribution for such a small slight, even if it had a big impact (but actually small in the grand scheme), is a great way to demotivate a team who is already being worked to the bone. I hope no one has the misfortune of working under you. The lack of wisdom and forbearance you display is exactly the kind of BS that causes great people like Tim, Leonard, and Jason to leave important projects, and hurts their creative vision.

@@Deadener that "simple" mistake was a game breaking bug that took weeks to fix. I'm sure that under your leadership there would be no accountability whatsoever but I can understand why a boss wouldn't just let it slide. Tim didn't expose the guy responsible and for that he, as the leader took a fall.

@@xxlCortez And the ruthless and ridiculous response from Brian caused Fallout 2 to lose it's lead developers. Again, I pray you never lead a team. Your pettiness and petulance will sour everything you touch.

@@Deadener When was I petty or petulent? I said I can see Brian's problem and even though I said I didn't agree with him, you're foaming like a madman with moronic accusations. Don't project your anger issues on random people. You're the last person who should decide about leading a team.

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@@piratepop7115 typical hostage wagie-cagie mentality

I had a boss who liked to physically push people when they didnt do what he wanted even if it was literally illegal or a safety risk, Reported that motherfucker to the state and he got fired and arrested.

@@pilsplease7561 good job

Just a shame he sat on it for a while. I'd have started scheduling new job interviews the next day, and delivered the resignation when I had a new one on the trigger lol

Thank you, Anthony. Like I’ve said, everyone is the hero in their own stories, so I’m sure I’m a villain in some of those.

​@@CainOnGamesthank you for making an amazing game and thank you for going on to make arcanum of steam works and magic obscura. Pretty much thank you for my happy memories of gaming as a kid 😁

The way he tries to deflect any responsibility is really what makes me mad. Like, don't be a coward. That guy didn't deserve that job

Looking back, I still don't understand how Brian Fargo screwed up so royally and destroyed such a great company. Years later when he released Wasteland 2, I understood what happened. Brian was in charge. Wasteland 2 is a good game, but still a shell of what Fallout, Fallout 2, and even Tactics delivered so long ago. They dared to do something different. So many promises broken, from the start this choice is massive and matters, but the game never returns it just shifts who joins and doesn't matter at all. it starts off by shooting itself in the foot on narrative by lying to the player. They don't even try to build on it in the sequel, they just argue new region because that story was so botched. None of the choices in either Wasteland games actually matter, they don't even try to make choices effect other regions or do anything innovative, just old ideas and generic metrics of design carried on. Again Wasteland 2 was good, but wasn't even what Brian Fargo promised, wasn't even close imo. It didn't deliver anything close to what Fallout/Fallout 2 delivered in freedom and scaled everything back. I never played Wasteland, but after playing Wasteland 2, I don't know if I missed much. I just wish another company bought the rights instead of Bethesda. It could have continued if given to a company that can write a great story with branching choices, where you can actually choose how to play, to include no combat play throughs. Not sure why so many games force you to play our way, combat no matter what. It does make sense in Wasteland because the game isn't that long without combat to bloat the gameplay with maps that are destoryed by older games. It is kind of sad, because it could have been up there with Fallout. I miss Fallout, and Fallout 2 with the fanmade patch to restore quests are still some of the greatest RPG's of all time. They put Wasteland under Brian to shame. They are good linear stories that don't even try to innovate and I would argue take many steps backwards for the genre.

People like Fargo aren't worth trying to make happy, in my experience. My safety valve is to always make sure I work for the quality of the work itself first.

That's generally their job. If they don't do that, they're basically failing at their own job description, and would be replaced eventually. That's what "management" means. The only real exception is people who 100% own the company themselves and have enough excess funds they can afford to let people be comfortable. But... the moment someone else's money gets involved, that's out the window. And there's a thin line between a nice boss and a loser chump who gets taken advantage of by his workers. Funny how that perception switch works.

@@zeriel9148 There is a limit to how much you can push someone. I understand the managers job is to ensure that staff are doing their jobs well, but you also have to consider worker moral. There is a delicate balance between productivity and moral that must be achieved and maintained in order to ensure that a company succeeds. If you don't stay on top of your workers, they might become lazy and unproductive. If you ride them too hard and expect too much of them, they get burned out and could start looking for work elsewhere. Too many bosses today expect far too much instead of trying to achieve that balance.

@@zeriel9148that’s not how any of it works, go out and live life a little

Such is the trademark of capitalism’s hierarchical structure.

They reward you with more work and jobs no one else wants to do. They never give you a pay raise nor more time off because they still see you as expendable.

We got Troika in part because of that!

@@kylenewberry9792 In part? Kind of seems almost more like a direct cause, really.

@@kylenewberry9792 Unfortunately, Troika didn't last but delivered some masterpieces (Arcanum has had no spiritual successor, so far and we definitely need a remake - Larian, can you read me?)

@@kylenewberry9792 irk, Vampire is literally THE game for me, I've lost count how much I replayed it. If I could play 1 game for the rest of my life it would be VtbM. It even rekindled my passion for art and drawing for quite a while, which is NOT an easy thing to do - I've made so much fanart for this game. My love for anyone who had a hand in creating this game is eternal (just like vampires ha)

@@Li_Tobler same ! i loved vampire! and when i looked up who made the game it all made sense! im glad he decided to go through with making this game instead of staying on fallout 2.

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Particularly those kinds of mistakes anyone - junior, senior, John Carmack, anyone - can make. The correct approach isn't to place blame, it's to look for ways to improve processes that can catch those errors as early as possible.

Indeed, that takes real courage when you're in a toxic environment like that.

​@@orterves John Carmack COULD make that mistake, but he would've peered into the multiverse to find the quickest possible solution, fixed the problem with one hand and designing two new maps with the other, before ramping his Ferrari into an awaiting alien mothership to give a presentation on how to navigate the 4th dimension

@@jigglypuff3311 John Carmack could make that mistake - but only on purpose

I've heard a really similar thing from other artists, almost those exact lines come up from a lot of people I know who work on big projects that take off.

Reminds me of my last job. Relentless, relentless grind, and every time you got through a week, or a project, they'd be more waiting for you. So I jacked it, took a big paycut (the joys of being single with no kids), and got a job in a warehouse. Best thing I ever did.

Petition for the Restoration project mods to put it in a corner at the tiniest font possible

True bros. Was very inspiring to hear that part of the story.

@justicetrooper Companies will then push more for outsourcing and more H1B workers.

@@justicetrooper as if not most of garbage ruining gaming is pro union lol

​@@zars1324 What are you on about video game developers don't even have any unions that's part of the systemic issue with crunch and overworking in the vocation?

@@ashleywilliams4896 no, moron, gaming is going downhill because of people who are ALSO pro union not because of unions, but US unions have proven they're just a tool of the opposite corporation

I guess you could say Brian Fargo was a Fa-go

Remember: Tim almost dropped Fallout 1 because he was severely underpaid for his position. Knowing this and having given him a raise himself, Fargo still decides to cut his bonus as a 'motivation'. This had to have been some petty revenge he had to improvise an excuse for. He had every reason under the sun to expect only outrage from Tim for doing something like this. Fargo sounds like the most inept leader I've heard of.

That's why I don't like inxile games.

​@@LimakPan Oh it was absolutely petty revenge. Once you know the type, you know.

​@@LimakPanand they got karma they sold their ip to bethesda cause facing bankruptcy and they mad lol.

was fallout really worth that much at that time? I think fallout 1&2 is cool but there were only like 2 other games

@@lloydmartel Definitely YES. First of all, the world is all done and allows for almost endless expansions. Not only in USA setting, but all around the world - case in point latest mod for F4: London. Secondly, both games received VERY good reviews and sold well. Thirdly, it has been several years without Fallout (not sure when the deal negotiation started). It was long enough for people to get hungry but short enough that people still remembered. Fourthly, isometric, old-school RGP fans are nostalgic as hell. You grow out of pew-pew-pew games, but you never grow out of siting comfortably in a chair, and carefully reading dialogue and wondering if you should put next skill point in speech. Note that at that time nobody knew next Fallout will be 3D and more like a shooter then RPG.

@@Malisman77listen man fallout 1&2 are great games but at the end of the day they were small impact. the franchise wasn’t mainstream until fo3

@@workisinprogresshe’s not wrong. Fallout didn’t become a behemoth franchise until Bethesda had their way with it in fo3

@@workisinprogress derrr based on that logic your comment doesn’t need to exist

Yeah tone of the games completely shifted Fallout 2 is fun and games but it really forced jokes and pop culture references way too much

i agree fallout 1 i think in that regard aged way better than fallout

Yeah i love the first two games but people give fallout 2 way too much slack for messing up the atmosphere and tone before bethesda could even touch the series. Its still a great game but in that regard its a huge step down

It’s a stark contrast between F1’s Brahmin having a “Moo, I say” bark and Fallout 2 having a Monty Python skit, Duke Nukem and Dirty Harry references.

@@plugshirt1762yeah, I’m not gonna lie, I think prefer the world of Fallout 3 to Fallout 2 for that reason. Even if 3 is definitely not my favorite Fallout (that’d be Fo1 & NV). Fallout 2 just hasn’t aged well, and the frequency of annoying 4th wall breaking jokes and movie references really pulls me out of the game in Fallout 2 and kills the atmosphere. Fallout 1, on the other, is timeless. Because it isn’t constantly dating itself. Like, Fo3 might have pretty bad main quest writing and far less fleshed out RPG systems. But it at least allows the player to be immersed in the world and take things seriously instead of constantly ripping you out of the moment with goofy Borderlands humor.

Worked for big corpo for a grand total of 4 months where I jumped ship to a small business. Not as well paid, but I actually get to keep my sanity.

The constant crunching is generally a net boon for a corpo. Like mentioned here there was an employee who never got his work done on time, and with a corpo they'd force you to work overtime for free instead to get that work done.

Capitalism is a hellhole indeed.

@@Samar3n It's honestly more evil than Communism at this point. Two sides of the same jewish coin.

@@Assdafflabaff I like Jews and Communism.

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Thats the reason its easier for me to start a new save in fallout 1 rather than 2, especially when the game is a lot longer so the starting grind feels a lot longer too, the temple trials on top of all of it... a very unpleasant start.

Same here. I was almost FORCED to play through the temple trials by a friend.

Love the temple trials. And so many funny jokes (wait what you rebuild the wall door every time you send someone to do the trials that was blown up?). Then again i also love vault 101 growing up. And Fallout 4s prewar intro.

Most of temple of trials is skippable. Ask yourself this question: "Do I really need to fight the scorpions?" Even the ants are slow enough to be outrun.

@@janmayenese yeah if you want it takes 2 mins to do the trials

28 and I also played them for the first time last year. Amazing games, took me a while to get the hang of the mechanics but once I was past that, I was completely immersed in my RPG adventure through the wasteland. First two Fallouts are better games than Bethesda's Fallout 3 and 4, they are timeless pieces of gaming history despite the outdated technology of their time. Everyone involved in that can be proud.

​@@Hrvo182I'm also 28 and recently played through Fallout 2 for the first time. Fun game but has some issues. Definitely don't consider them better than the Bethesda games though.

@@tetermc I think the original fallouts are better games in terms of how they are designed, almost like a tabletop RPG campaign.. Bethesda's sandbox approach can be fun, but it ultimately feels like a themepark and the story.. well, everyone knows you don't play Bethesda games for the story.

@@tetermcthey’re better in almost every way

The originals have way too many "missed" shots. It grinds you down. I also agree that the Bethesda games were much better games, but hindsight is 20/20. Of course they knew what people liked and disliked by then. The technology of 1996 and 1997 was so unbelievably limiting, that Fallout 1 is pretty much a miracle of technology.

same. fargo is a personal hero because he donated a bunch of money to tinnitus research and I would love to hear about how it affected his work. (I have permanent tinnitus). the mimic tim uses when describing him is really intense!

That bug does not seem little at all, a memory leak bug can destroy your entire playthrogh at random points wich is one of the worst. I'll give you an example: The game Donkey Kong for the Nintendo 64 console, had one memory leak bug, it was so atrocious and hard to find that the team decided to force the consumer to buy an external memory module for the console and at the same time, made that module mandatory while in reality the game didn't need it. In the case of Fallout, the official patches still leave a lot of bugs, specialy the one that randomly corrupts the "MASTER.DAT" file once you start to visit the surroundings of L.A. before completing the Junktown quests. Other bugs litteraly crash the game making certain updates impossible. For example the Laser Riple upgrade can only be achieved if you played the game and did certain random things in the correct way, otherwise when you go to upgrade the gun the game just crashes. So, long story short, I kinda understand why the boss was pissed off about a memory related game crashing bug and also I do understand why he wanted to know who did it, since you have to know who produced that failure that took a tool on the people trying to catch it up. However I do NOT agree at all with the bonus penalty thing, he knew that the new Director (wich he hand picked) for the Fallout 2 Project was already burned out, producing patches and having serious issues with people at the company taking either credit or forcing themselves over his autority. In the case of Fargo, he had emphathy as a dump skill.

Bosses are like that, they are another kind of creature.

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@@coffeebreakhero3743 I have tinnitus too, it's seriously so awful

solidarity u mean but yeah definitely

I mean he is still very emotional about it 25 years later, so I can assume he needed one even if he didn't get one.

@@anita.b i hope him making this video helped at all

ikr, i was always wondering what could possibly make Tim and Leonard leave their own IP. Like, they were so passionate about Fallout and went against all odds trying to develop the game, why would they leave half way through making the sequel. Now it makes total sense. And i'm hardly surprised that once again everything was ruined by incompetent management and corporate meddling.

This story is probably one of many many stories that amazing creators have experienced - it’s why 90% of games in 2024 are bland, repetitive and lack any soul.

Fallout 2 was still far more popular and had better mechanics and is a fan favorite which is what devs and producers want which is to have broad appeal, if it was just like Fallout 1 it would have failed

@@zk0rned Fallout 2 made a lot of improvements over the original game. It's just that one of those improvements was most definitely not the game's atmosphere. Just about everyone agrees that Fallout 2 overdid it with bad pop culture references and dated humor. In Fallout, you can find Richard Grey's audio diary, in which he recounts his transition into the Master and his descent into madness. It's an unsettling account of him experiment with dipping various creatures, and it's played 100% seriously. It's a great piece of worldbuilding. Would that audio diary have been improved with a joke about him dipping turtles and training them in martial arts, as a shout-out to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Because that is absolutely something Fallout 2 would have done.

Both have amazing atmoshere. But Fallout 1 is where 90% of the ideas come from. It was all there at the start. All the great Fallout games have what Fallout 1 created.

​@@NubileReptile Anyone who plays games knows most gamers don't care about atmosphere or world building if the gameplay puts you to sleep. besides the very few that do have/had small cult followings which steadily grow overtime.

No way you’re serious. The cathedral is over so quickly you can’t even absorb the so called atmosphere. Fallout 2 is superior in every way.

Figures that it was the studio heads who made them keep it in. No option to skip it? Seriously? With management like that, it's no wonder Interplay went out of business. Especially given what we now know about Brian Fargo.

How's Susie Green doing these days?

funny seeing you here love your stuff my guy keep on keepin on

Hi Hbom

When's the Night in the Woods video coming out, man?

YES! That damn thing has ruined fo2 for so many people

@@sircheese6557 It’s literally a 1-3 minute tutorial level in which you can skip most of it easily. If you’re that impatient that you let that ruin the game for you, you’re an idiot .

I second the notion of getting Leonard and Jason on the feed.

That would be incredibly awesome.

Ahh, Troika. I need to fire up Vampire: Bloodlines again.

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Oh shit, it's Valve New Network

And then you have modern gamers who throw a hissy fit and send death threats when devs cant fix a bug in 3 seconds. People absolutely don't realise how difficult and pain staking the game development process is. If these kids actually tried to work on a AAA game for a few months to see how "easy" it is, maybe there'd be less entitlement in modern gaming culture.

I wouldn't be surprised if this exact experience made Fargo reevaluate some things, like his approach to management.

Troika happened for a reason

If I understand Tim's story correctly, Feargus Uruqart signed off on the spreadsheet, who would've been his direct boss, and Fargo changed it later when he saw it, as the boss above him. So I don't think Fargo was involved in that first sign-off.

Really interested in it as well. For me those names are associated with some of the best titles ever. But it seems that relationsdhips were complicated. Well, I didn't like wasteland2, so not necessarily Fargo.

How did Sawyer and Avellone butt heads? I never read into that

@@Retrofire-47 There were a lot of communication issues and mismanagement surrounding Pillars of Eternity that disrupted Chris' work.

For your consideration, Pentiment is amazing. Though, less of a game more of a choose your own adventure book. Still great tho.

@@cgijokerman5787 Pentiment is great. I played it on release :)