It shows how she was losing her mind and turning into someone just like her father.

@@oliviayoung6471 stfu & stop making excuses for dumb & dumber

@@shuayb838 they’re not but it’s a fact

GOT is not what u expect, it’s what u don’t expect.

@@oliviayoung6471 Thats just horrible writing stop trying to defend this shit

You don’t break the wheel ever. Where there is a power vacuum and opportunity, there will always be another asshole trying to control everything. The question is what is less bloody in the long run? Dozens of independent kingdoms all warring with each other constantly or a united realm where the enemy becomes corruption and internal strife? Keeping the empire intact was the lesser of 2 evils

And Dany of all people knew that after what happened in Astapor.

The Daenerys i've learned to admire would've done that. I don't know who that is

me too

That’s such a forced opinion it was honestly really good and the shocking ending fit the whole dark vibe of Game Of Thrones. Like no body cares for a happy ending anymore everything always has the expected ending I’m happy they didn’t force it

@@user-ml8pu what do you work for HBO😂. The last season was pure trash.

@@AC-sq1gt he's right tho

@@hugosantos9081 I don't know if anybody cares about a happy ending or not but people do care about an ending that sucks and that whole last season sucked especially the ending

@@AC-sq1gt the last season is rushed, that's its only problem

It was the true ending, DeD modified it

Not true! Martin has assured us that, should he pass away before finishing the series, his assistants (who have access to all of his documents and know every detail of his plans) will do so on his behalf. If Martin has faith in their capabilities then so do I. It won't be the same, but we'll have his ending.

@@summersolemnlyswears7272 I’m not sure where you heard that. He said so in an interview that he doesn’t want anyone touching his work else it will turn into “Scarlett.” Even if he does pass it on, you’ll have folks arguing for years what’s canon and not because it wasn’t written by Martin.

This is actually the ending George told to the two showrunners but they did it very badly 😂

@@abandonallhope.1040George told some people and the showrunners his ending. So this will be the ending in the books but different since the books are different.

Yes, the problem was not the scene itself but the directors did not prepare us for this scene properly

@@Anna-fi5hm 100% It was such an after thought. You can see they were trying so hard to add in these subtle hints to “make it make sense”. I really would have loved a whole season of her “mad” arc.

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!!! I loved her still after this happened! A lot of things happens to her! Thank you!!!

Sorry to tell you this, but Denerys was always the villain of the story. She cloaked herself in virtue so she could look like a savior, and maybe for a while she even started to believe it. But destroying the city was not her "going mad" - that's always who she was.

There is no season 8 in King's Landing.

This is just semi-canon, since Emilia didn't even filmed the part where "she" burned KG with Drogon

The point was that it's dangerous for one person to think he/she can be the liberator. Dictatorships rarely end well. It was a great idea, it just needed time to show how dictators become horrible people over time. I think this is why G.R.R. Martin can't finish the books, it's hard to execute the ending he wants, which is you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.

@@baxakk7374 that may be the point, but 7 seasons’ worth of character development for Daenerys was obliterated by this moment which had no lead-in. Strong, stable Dany suddenly had a “woman scorned” moment? Anyone can theorize as to why she did this; however, with good writing and execution it would have been crystal-clear that this was the only possible outcome, but the narration did not provide that.

@@ramotcontrol They should have made it clear that the people attacked her first, by saving Rhaegal's death until this battle - perhaps they would conquer KL bloodlessly only for the Cersei loyalists to swarm on him and tear him apart (taking advantage of his Winterfell wing injury) once they landed. That would have been a suitable parallel to the people's adoration she received in Yunkai, and would have reinforced the message that you can't base your decisions on your popularity. Also if she had just incinerated a crowd of a thousand or so Cersei loyalists and their children, partly in angry grief, partly because of her established rigid sense of justice, and partly as a deterrent against future attack, that would still have been enough to enrage Jon. SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 6 * I also would have cut out the Tyrion/Jon scene entirely, so that Jon stabbing Dany would have come as a complete surprise to the audience, and given him more agency. And she would have lived just long enough to ask why, and to hear him respond 'to save my people'.

To me makes sense she would became an tyrant, because was tha path she was going since season 2. But no sense to kill the whole town instead of burn the red keep only.

She did broke the wheel and everything. Lol

Indeed..a girl who survived to the loss of a husband, a son and to wars and killing attempts would get all mad cause she has a half brother who doesn't even care about the throne and does not represents any threat to her position

She should've done that in S7 with all 3 of her dragons, Dorne, the Reach and the Greyjoys. It would fall in a day but no....

Lol, Danny called Ned Stark the usurpers's dog, so stop using that argument buddy, find a new one.

@@michaelnkomphela8231 Because she was told he was. At the current point in the novels (and as of this point in the books), Dany never set foot on Westeros. She’s met very few people from there. Almost all of the information she has comes from Viserys, who’s far from an unbiased narrator. (Viserys himself never laid eyes on Ned, and only knows what he heard from his family and their retainers).

@@manishbait6718 umm when B. Selmey wants to talk to her about Ned Stark she told Selmy to SHUT UP.

@@michaelnkomphela8231 bruh she didn't even know the man personally, that's not an argument

She didn't give a flying f about Ned.

Dragons are the gulfstreams of the fantasy world m8

thank you! that made absolutely no sense. also how Gendry survived that run back when that was his first experience with snow

And dont forget the white walkers somehow get a big ass chain to pull a dragon out from under the ice

@@ssplif5415 you could make an argument that the night king foresaw a dragon coming and had them if he had the chance to kill one.Yes I do agree it is stupid though

episode 6 should’ve been 2 episodes end the 1st with daenerys leaving dragonstonw than a week of anticipation to see if she makes it in town so it wasn’t all so sudden

The wrath of a woman- someone unable to handle their emotions and everyone around them suffers greatly. No one is safe in a matriarchy.

My thoughts exactly. I so so so wanted her to get to the throne.

Cersi was using the people as a shield, she knew Daenerys had a good heart (freeing slaves etc) so Cersi spread lies about Daenerys and the ignorant ppl bought it. Cersi knew if Daenerys army was to reach the red keep, they would have to kill even the innocent ppl that had filled the streets. (They rejoiced when good ppl were killed before). So Daenerys made a decision to teach them all a lesson. She couldn't rule over ppl who didn't want to be free. (Remember all through she gave free will to slaves and they chose their own freedom). The only part where i found she had gone too far was the breaking the wheel. She wanted to concquer all the territories like she had done to kings landing. That's also the point when John Snow decided to kill her.

If you're talking about House of The Dragon...I agree....I read Fire and Blood..(and also Game of Thrones book series) ...I was told while reading the books...not to bother with the TV show...I only watched clips of it 😊

absolutely!

My thoughts exactly. The idea was nice (and even the books hint at that), it's the execution that is poor to say the least.

Well we glad you are in control of an army understand war is war

@@raymondwimbush9240 The Laws of War (Geneva convention) were created for exactly these moments wen blood ran too hot for temper and it's the officers duty to restrain their men from commiting war crimes

Would still have been better of Drogon cut off both Jaime and Sandor to that imo? Them trying to force open a gate, which gets half-smashed by Drogon's tail..yet the Dragon is much quicker to the last steps of the Red Keep, then Jaime or Sandor...There Cersei attempts to flee with Qyuburn, and the zombified Mountain as her protector. Drogon unleashing a full brath of dragonfire upon them, reducing Qyburn and Cersei to ashes instantly...to Jaimes shock and horror... the Mountain burning in his armor, falling into a pile of smoldering rotting flesh, putting a smile on the Hound's scarred face, who softly speaks 'yes big brother.. tháts what it feels like'...although robber of his personal revenge, the Hound can live with the fact he SAW his brother die the gruesome death he deserved right before his eyes.

Well Jon says "She's our Queen!" a lot.

They actually do speak

@@Silver_Owl UHH DOAN WANT IT SHES MUH KWEEN

@@jzenhenko LOL! Exactly. Followed, admittedly, by the occasional stare.

Some robotic speech and Jon saying:she mah qeeeen.

No, the transformation is necessary in this kind of characters. It was very similar with Walter White in Breaking Bad, a good teacher that had a lovely family and afterwards he ended up as a powerful drug lord. It was very predictable her fate. In the last season she burned Sam's father and brother just because they were loyal to the kindom. She also killed people just because she wanted, she became a killer in the process and the audience couldn't realize it.

Because they were inspired by Cruella when she became mad after hearing bells ringing (Ig you've seen the movie) and thought,well that's great ending but didn't think that nothing made sense

Think of the budget that went into creating the spectacle of her destroying the city.... talk about screwed up priorities by D and D.

First of all, I started watching back in Season 4 (which was the last great season) and I've read all of the books. So don't assume I'm someone who came in "late" or who someone who enjoys popcorn writing (which in itself is a contradiction: you're defending their version while also calling it 'popcorn GOT"?) Secondly, how is this "ending it peacefully"? My aim was to create a more plausible option for the version of Dany they had written: she wouldn't just go mindlessly targeting civilians for no good reason, but would still attack even after the city had surrendered. She woulld still have done something dishonoroble, unnecessary and scary (as innocent civilians would have died as collateral damage) without it being so ridiculous and over the top. In my version, Dany would have obliterated the Red Keep, killing anyone inside it and people around it. I could not convey all of it as I would have liked because I was just making a quick edit using existing footage. My problem isn't the fact that Dany went crazy. It's not even the fact that she did what she did. It's more that the build up to it happening and everything around it was so poorly written and rushed that it feels forced. I feel like at least this version would have been a bit more reasonable and believable without sacrificing the arc they were going for: Dany becoming a tyrant.

​@@nezfromhki I didn't assume anything. I included a conditional 'maybe' in my sentence as I didn't think my list was exhaustive. It did make me smile though when you protested at me making the assumption and then stated that you indeed came in late. Though you have read the books which probably gives you a better knowledge of the material than people who binged watched 5 or 6 seasons to catch up. It's not a contradiction at all. I don't consider the concept of 'the mad queen' to be popcorn in of itself. In fact there's every reason to believe that it would have happened in the books and I wouldn't have been surprised to see it there. There were enough hints and as I understand it GM gave D&D a rough outline of where the characters would end up. When I was talking about their popcorn style of writing I was talking about their 'that's cool bro' level of maturity with regards to plot. Such as their ninja turtles-girls fighting is cool sand snakes, their over reliance on the fake death scene, their incorporation of memes into the story etc. It's relatively peaceful. The vast majority of civilians are not burned to death and less chance of Unsullied and Northmen on the rampage. The destruction of the red keep could be argued was a legitimate military target and the civilians who were caught up in that 'collateral damage' (something accepted by governments even today!). Afterwards there are virtually no burnt bodies littering the streets, less chance of a tyrant's speech and I don't think Dany would have been stabbed to death by Jon. I'd call your version peaceful by comparison. I have a problem with the notion of Dany going crazy (it even says so on the wiki). She wasn't mad, her father was mad. He believed that he would die in fire and be reborn a dragon if memory serves. That's madness. If Tywin, Roose Bolton or Stannis had been on a dragon with that power I think they would have done the same thing. Were they crazy? Oh yes the series was definitely rushed, but I think her burning King's Landing to the ground was one of the least rushed things in the series with enough hints and foreshadowing to justify it For me it was more jolting what she did in Merreen. I also would have liked to have seen another season of Daenerys as a tyrant.

@@redplague Eh, I don't have the energy to argue or debate about a video I made 2 years ago that was never meant to get this much publicity. The last thing I'll say is that no amount of hinting or foreshadowing is a justification for rushed character development. Dany's whole deal was always that she wanted to help the poor, ordinary people, and she only did ruthless acts against people that were directly opposed to her. And she always had a reason for doing it, even if you could sometimed argue that it was not the best choice (like burning the Tyrells for example.) Her deciding to just slaughter a city full of civilians when she faced no more opposition is too drastic of a flip for her when the show did not have her (knowingly) kill innocent people prior to it. The scene we got would have been acceptable for me in a show where they took their time to truly tell her arc in a beliavable way instead of rushing the last seasons just because they were tired of writing it (as they could have gotten more episodes and seasons had they asked for it.) But that's not the show we got, and therefore the scene did not work, no matter how much it aligns with the original intention of the author. As cliche as it sounds: It's not about the destination, it's about the journey.

I agree,she was patient long enough,lost so much,I wonder how she didn't snappy even before. This is what true Targaryen looks like after you take them for granted.

​@@nezfromhki A lot of people did a lot of bad things for 'reasons' so that means nothing. It's not true that she only did ruthless things against people who directly opposed her and even she did you gloss over this ruthlessness as if it's not character development building to what she did in the end. Would Ned Stark have indiscriminately crucified slave masters because they did it to children? She did this and it became clear afterwards that some (and maybe a lot) were not responsible for this but she didn't check and nor did she care. In her eyes they were culpable because they were part of a population that were not opposed to it. She used the same justification with King's Landing, that the people because they didn't rebel against Cersei were her enemy. She also had a huge insecurity about the fact that the people of Westeros didn't see her as a liberator. This was well established so there was character development, you just missed it. She also indiscriminately burned a person alive in the pyramid because she believed that some of the people were involved with the Sons of the Harpy. She didn't know who, she just picked a person at random. You gloss over the burning of the Tarly's but I think this deserves more consideration. I'm not talking here about the argument of killing vs not killing. I'm talking about the method of death. She chose to burn them alive. What Joffrey did to Ned Stark was less brutal. What she did there was closer to Ramsay flaying people. So again there was plenty of character development but you either missed it or forgot what the show was about. Add to all this, the death of two of her 'children', her knowledge of Jon's better claim to the throne and the insecurities and paranoia stemming from that and her best friend being decapitated in front of her eyes. How is this not enough character development to regard what she did as believable? It was one of the best handled arcs in the season and maybe the whole series as a result. You seem to have a very idealistic view of innocent vs guilty of good vs bad. This is what I mean when I say people have forgotten the shades of grey that the show used to be about rather than the Magnificent 7 style we got later on. On this matter you also seem to have missed a huge point of her dialogue in the last episode regarding that she knows what is good because she is good. It doesn't matter what the viewer thinks of as innocent or good at this point as Daenerys is operating on her own morality at this point. Is it Chaotic Neutral (I'm not an expert at D&D alignments so don't quote me on that)? I've already said that I agree with you that is was rushed and maybe Daenerys's actions would have had a little more padding before and after, but her arc was definitely the least rushed (apart from her death) and most deserved. I do regard the journey as more important that then destination. Tell that to all the people who say that GOT was ruined because of the ending.

Soo she never heard a bell in her life before this?

@@tonisiljeg6409 her first time back in kings landing, remember?

The surrender bells are very specific

She wasn't even alive then, she was born in Dragonstone few days later..so she shouldn't have any memories or buried feelings regarding kings landing

thats an insult to garbage even... i wiped my arse this morning, and what was on the toiletpaper looked better then S8...

Yes. Even though the show contradicted itself by doing that, because in season 2 there's a line "I have never known bells to mean surrender".

@@nezfromhki lol and Dan and David remembered season 2? Hilarious.

I mean yeah it was cool to watch but it didnt make sense at all

Lol, umm that city belonged to Jon. His half brother and sister was killed by the mountain , his actual blood family.

Yawn.

Because this city had hundreds of caches of wild fire

She had a lot of humanity and then decided to become Chenghis Khan all of the sudden, with either you give up or I will leave graveyards on the places of your cities mentality. Which is bullshit. Burning your enemies is ok. Burning random population is stupid.

Not at all the thing I was going for. Also, I don't see why we can't have both. Anyways, read the description.

Spot on. JFrankC.

Dany still kills innocent people with the rubble. The only thing that was missing was the wildfire exploding. Maybe she accidentally blows it up and kills hundreds of civilians and maybe even a few of Jon's men.