Lazarus is go.

The mammoth was cool too. I was afraid they would omit that. When it showed up I was bouncing in my chair squealing like an idiot. And it ended the right way. All around bitchin' episode.

Margaret Garside I know right?! Also, I loved the use of continuous shots. Like, imagine how long they took to get JUST right.

How can they just kill off characters that haven't died in the books yet? What if Martin decided to have a certain character show up again for something important later?

Drannion Entertainment apparently martin has discussed the future books with the show runners and they pretty much know what goes down in the future so i'm sure they are free to kill off those characters if they wanted to

***** I've noticed that the only ones bitching are the ones who have read the books because the show was ballsy enough to change details.

Theriot6592 Ballsy! LOL They completely changed stuff that was better unchanged. For example when they changed "Only Cat" to "Your sister" it was clear they were catering to morons who could give two shits about the names of characters on the show.

Max Liam What you just pointed out is what makes it so ballsy genius. They try these moves, trying to catch book readers off guard, trying to keep the series as fresh as possible for everyone, and sometimes, it works perfectly, like in the Red Wedding, and like in this episode, and sometimes, it doesn't work at all, like not putting "Only Cat" in that episode. It's a give and take, and it's one of the things that, as a book reader, I appreciate more than anything else about this show. If you can't appreciate that, you are probably better off just sticking to reading the books, and dropping the show now, because this won't be the last time they make a "drastic" change.

Max Liam That is a perfect example of the meaningless, pedantic bullshit book hipsters are getting their panties in a twist over.

Max Liam That was the fucking dumbest complaint ever. If you wanted a fucking example, you could've talked about the "King of Quarth"-storyline (which was goddamn retarded). But changing "only cat" into "your sister" is NOT something worth whining about. It's still two words, it still has the same meaning, and it still has the same impact on the scene. If you mean to tell me that everything is ruined because of that one fucking line, just stop watching the fucking show.

shot through the hart and you're to blame. Because you gave love... a bad name!

THA JOETJOEBUR Heart, not hart.

We all are going to miss her

Covah Redro What about Sansa?

THA JOETJOEBUR love is the death of duty

I really think they did it for budgetary reasons since those two characters only have a line or two in the next two books and are pretty much out of the picture.

That could be so. It could also be because they never casted Donal Noye(a pretty big mistake if you ask me). It's still nonsense for them to think that there needs to be characters we care about getting killed off. One thing I did notice is that they decided to keep Edd alive. That's probably for another character's death.

I don´t think they are killed for shock value. But coming out of a battle this big without any casualties the crowd cares about would take away from the scale and drama this conflict means. I really liked them, but i really like the fact, that the show reimagines the plot. This way you get such surprises. It might be for the worse from time to time, but in general i´m more excited about the show this way.

They didn't just pull Grenn's death out of their asses though. His whole last stand was in the book, but it was done by Donal Noye, who is probably and equally important character that just happened to be left out of the show. Someone had to fill that void. The only two options otherwise would've been to either have him survive the battle with the giant, which to me just doesn't feel right, or cut the scene altogether, which would've been a very important moment to cut.

Jack Holander I believe they did not do that for shock value, they did it for a couple of reasons, such as, Jon Snow being more lonely after this battle, and more importantly being more realistic and showing the extent of the battle. It would just be less realistic if the Brothers suffered any less casualties, or if only not well known brothers died, when facing this kind of an enemy.

Also they have a huge cast, so the budget comes into place, characters are trimmed. Especially when they do not have much lines or story plot in the next two books.

MegaMoose1989 EXACTLY this is these stupid people dont understand look how big the book is everything wont be in there characters are meant to serve a purpose to contribute the story if they are no longer needed why kill them , the main characters create the sequence for the show

***** The sex scenes for idiots to realize that this is not a kids show but an adult show. Gilly is very important to the development of Sam the Slayers character development. Sam is a POV character.

Jon dies in book 5shitlord

Mehow80 YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!!! IT'S ONLY IMPLIED! I MEAN, they wouldn't really kill him.. pls. He can recover from a stab wound or 20... :c

Even if he comes back he will be changed, an empty husk. GRRM hated the way Gandalf was handled in LOTR.

If a change does not improve the story then it shouldn't have been made.

***** They were sent off in the book so they are gone there as well.

Edd is great. "Light the fuckers up." Love it!

M. Padilla He stepped up to the plate beautifully. That anchor thingy was cool.

lol - pyp and grenn were sad losses, but if edd had gone i think there would have been a fucking riot!!

can you please explain to me this "fetch me a block" . who said it to who ? and why ..

Hajar Lakroune This is a spoiler* When Jon is made Lord Commander Janos refuses to do as he's told. So Jon says he will be hanged. He then says for Edd to fetch him the chopping block so that he can execute him himself. Following Ned's lead "the man who gives the sentence should swing the sword." That's not the exact quote but you get what I mean.

9th episodes are the ones with more deaths. Or at the least, it seems taht

gabriel amador garcia more deaths and action

nah, i prefer blackwater if you're talking about the battle scenes

I agree!!! This was just PERFECT.

Juan Tellechea it was!! and in 25 and half hours it will be season finale

I know, IMHO this was one of the best episodes on GOT. I don't know what people about.

Edward Stew Hear hear! I am not the least disappointed. Sometimes I think people must find nits to pick because they think it makes them look smart.

Margaret Garside THANK YOU THEY ARE JUST FUCKING HATERS TRYING TO BE SMART

No

Screw Stannis, he's an idiot, even Joffrey makes a more badass king than him.

He'd have fooked the giants till they were dead

He would've piss in any gutter and sow five of them....those fookin cowards.

He was there, smirking proudly when Jon spat on Magnar of thenn

@@PhoenixFlamesify just like a proud dad, ohhh this is awesome. Just kiddin' he's dead burned, not in this word anymore, kinda pisses me of his death was shit.

It was a 360 degree shot. The director was hidden in a cart watching from a monitor.

It would've been to similar to Blackwater if Stannis 'saved the day' and it keeps the audience guessing.

WiiKingMattitude24 That's probably the only reason.

***** HAha your virus shit is so obvious.

Except Stannis doesn't appear with his forces during the fight in the books. Only afterwards when Jon heads up to see Mance.

The Season 3 finale had Melisandre advising Stannis to march to the Wall, upon Davos' deciphering of Sam's letter. They couldn't get anywhere near marching there in between then and now due to having a small remaining army and bad finances (which were restored by the Iron Bank of Braavos when Stannis and Davos went there to plead their case).

As an obsessive fan of the books, I fucking hated it. -Killed Grenn and Pyp -Half the episode was filled with soppy nonsense -NO STANNIS

Iisdabest889 - Didn't mind them dying. They had good death scenes, especially Grenn. - I didn't find them soppy. The Sam/Gilly stuff wasn't my favorite, but you need quieter moments in episodes like these. - There's no way they could have fit the whole confrontation at the wall into 51 minutes. I love Stannis, but he can wait.

Finally someone, who actually has some sense AND doesn't bitching about character's deaths, who will dodn't have real plot significancy later AND also sees that Stannis would have been too much in this episode and the showrunner are actually just faithfull to the bboks in this case!

they were in a battle, people dont live because they are likeable

Pyp I can understand, but Grenn just took over for Donal Noye. Did GRRM not kill off Donal Noye? Yes he did.

It makes sense for those two to die in that big battle. They weren't all that important characters that people need to freak out over. It's what he said and his reasoning for killing them that is messed up. He killed them just to get an "omg" reaction. That's so cheap.

RileyRivalle2 Then what's the point of having them BE characters in the first place? Killing them off doesn't increase the impact to prove how bad the casualties are. The fact that this is made for adults displays the fact that they are intelligent enough to know the concept of how the battle ended up. Especially the fact that they BARELY survived the first wave of wildlings from tons to come. Jon even stated that their current overall condition, the Night's Watch could only survive about 2 or 3 more waves. I understand Pyp dying, since it shown how an inexperienced warrior would most likely die. But what was the point of killing off Grenn. To show how dangerous a Giant could be? They already proven that as they almost destroyed a door that's been around for a thousand years. That was basically their role for being expendable tools on doing that. Then one got angry from his comrades death and foolishly went on an anger rush, relinquishing his role. It seems silly that about 6 of the most skilled Night's Watchmen couldn't take down a berserk behemoth without completely dying, despite being fully prepared for this. I'm not saying Grenn or any of the men he brung along should've came out unscathed, but there was a reason the author didn't add this silly scene to the book version.

RileyRivalle2 What does this have to do with Star Wars....? A very far fetched comparison plus the Star Wars extended universe does kill of characters.

why dont you bring back ned stark while youre at it ?

+George Staykov Don't forget Oberyn and maybe tywin. I miss him.

umm...Nothing?? WHERES MY COOKIE!?

he knows what to do with his tongue... ;)

Kinda unnecessary in my opinion, I feel like Gren should've at least survived against the giant. Pyp and Gren didn't need to be killed off.

Yeah I agree that it would of been way cooler if we could of actually seen Gren kill the giant and live, but I think Pyp's death was needed because it was a good emotional scene with him and Sam but the fact we didn't even get to see Gren die makes his death feel kinda lazy and unneeded