That line never bothered me, personally. It seemed to me that Jaime was just trying to maintain his usual aloof, cocky persona. Also, just because he doesn’t “care much” about the people of King’s Landing, it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t save them. He just doesn’t have much emotion towards them. That’s just my two cents.

It destroys his entire character, he literally threw away something that he was never able to get back his “honor” in the eyes of the people, they never knew, he suffered in silence which is why he became such an asshole, he admired Ned and wanted to be loved and respected like him for being the “hero” but he would never be, and he accepted and knew that when he sacrificed that for the people, who hated him, and his entire arc over the story is him regaining that honor he knew he could never regain, but digging himself out of a pit of self-loathing and shame

He only killed the Mad King to save his father.

Rayma I disagree he says “would you have done it if your precious renly had ordered you to kill your father AND watched as innocent men women and children burned alive in there homes”

It's not just the bath scene. It's his entire arc that's ruined. Jamie's whole arc wasn't even about HIM realizing that he's a good person per se, it was about the audience coming to realize that this child-crippling, sister-fucking, king-slaying, Ned-Stark Stabbing rich entitled asshole was actually a good person that was forced to portray this aloof shit eating douchebag persona because of how horrible the world he inhabits is. It was about Jamie coming to terms with the fact that he doesn't have to be a shitty person just because he lives in a shitty world. It was about redemption and the complicated, convoluted roads it takes for a person to atone for his past deeds, and the sad reality that despite your best efforts, sometimes you will end up being classed as the villain because the world can only see you for who you portrayed yourself as in the past. It's why his arc is so good, because it resonates strongly with pretty much anybody. It's so ruthlessly human it's almost uncomfortable. Saying he never cared about people, even if it was just him pretending to seem uncaring, was just about the worst way to end his character. He makes all the same mistakes he took 8 seasons to learn to avoid, and not in a poetic "falling back into old patterns" way, but a reductive, stupid, "subverting the audience's expectations" kind of way. It's repulsive, like the entire season's writing.

For a second, I thought I was in a Last of Us II comment section.

@@psychedelicyeti6053 yeah last of us 2 is divisive with people hating and loving it. But everyone hates got season 8😂 anyone who likes that knows nothing about storytelling.

@@seancoetzee5399 How about visual storytelling?

@@SporkyMcFly you're gonna have to explain what you mean.

@@seancoetzee5399 How to create a cohesive narritive on screen. This visual storytelling would of course be more engaging if the writing is superb but as an example; you can have two fight scenes with identical writing, a random street fight say. Option 1: Shaky cam, cuts in between cuts and a blurry filter. Nobody can tell what the fight depicts because the visual storytelling is garbage. Option 2: The bar fight from Kingsman, "manners maketh man" The question I'm asking is, did DnD fail in both aspects or was the visual storytelling passable?

They made bran’s ending up at the last minute 😭😭 god this whole thing was such a trainereck

@@AlexisBii No, they didn't. It's a George thing.

@@Solo24516 it may have been a George thing but theres no way he wouldve got to that point without a proper build up

@@AlexisBii They definitely didn't. GRRM pretty much confirmed Bran will be king.

@@racheldollton George will definitely make sure it makes more sense than it did in the show

Because he was the spy for the Night King. See above med three comments :-)

@@okiraanon832 did they explain that?

@@arthurkorff No. But if you read my rather lengthy posts above - or below? - (three posts in total) you will read a suggested alternative ending including why Bran should be a spy - involuntarily, but still.

@@okiraanon832 can you paste it here?

@@arthurkorff Post 1 of 3 For some reaons this appears to have disappeared A very good video, thanks! However, a few comments... why doesn't anybody discuss: 1. The assault and sack of King's Landing is actually performed by ALL the army of the North and South. NOT only Dany. When people around in Westeros hear about it away from King's Landing, then they will hear that the city was destroyed by the entire army. Thus, ALL the conquering leaders and soldiers are 'war criminals' in a modern sense. In a Medieval sense it works slightly different. Destroying cities was not entirely unusual. Same as for the Mongols attacking other countries ("Surrender or we will kill you all - and if you fight, we will you all, even if then decide to surrender!" Massacres and sackings are nothing unusual. However, this means that Dany is doing nothing that can be construed 'mad' by most of the other people in the GoT world. 2. When they return after the silly roleplaying plot to pick up one undead Wight, why did they not sit down and consider the following issues: a. How could one, precisely ONE, Wight survive to be captured, when ALL the other Wights died the moment the White Walker died? b. How could the undead corner us right at a location where we would be holed up till Dany & her dragons arrived right at the precise moment when the Wights attacked again so that the Night’s King can throw a spear(?!) at Viserion? c. How could Pod actually get through unharmed the armies of the undead while running to the south? Running like he did was not exactly in stealth-mode! d. Somehow we, a group of people separated in place and time, managed to simultaneously get the idea to go north and unite simultaneously in a group of people that ensured that Dany would bring her dragons to save us…. Were we in fact manipulated? They should conclude that Yes! We were manipulated! Yes! The undead knew we were coming! Yes! The undead have a way to manipulate us! … but how?! And then they must realize that the only real link that the Night’s King has with the people in the south is… Bran! As a consequence they will no longer bring Bran to important meetings. They will try to set up meetings where they bring fake information in the hope they can bring misinformation to their enemy. … This idea was not used in the series, but that could have brought an interesting twist to Bran’s otherwise utterly dull story arc. Plus it would have brought logic to the silly D&D plot to pick up a single Wight and bring it to south. 3. Bran as king????? Seriously?! GRRM says something like “Aragorn may be considered the rightful ruler, but what is his tax policy….” If we do not change anything, the set-up after the last season creates so many problems that GRRM should feel betrayed! Problem 1: King’s Landing has been sacked. By an army from the North plus some invaders from Essos. No southern lord or force participated. The surviving nobles in the south will feel that they have been conquered - not liberated. This will generate opposition and future conflict. Problem 2: Bran is pronounced King of Westeros. His first action is to lose the North. He is unproven in battle and is sitting in a wheelchair. Nobody will respect him even if tells a good story. Problem 3: All the positions in the Small Council consists of thieves, mercenaries, and a dwarf. Nobody noble, nobody wise, and nobody from the South. Nobody will trust it. These three examples show why the vision of GRRM to build something different from Tolkien has failed. 4. One thing that made the show and the world of Westeros different from most was the strong and ambitious women. GRRM is supposedly inspired by Queens Elisabeth I and Mary. Both were ruthless. Neither was mad. GRRM apparent wants to have women play in important part in Westeros. Yet how does it end…? Dany killed by a dude, who then manages to avoid suffering death-by-thousands-of-fanatically-loyal-solders-who-have-followed-Daenrys-from-Essos-all-who-would -have-died-for-her! Sansa in power. In the North. Bran in power in the south. Logically, the army of Dany would have gone on the rampage and attacked the Northerners after a Northerner had killed their queen. Another logic that is broken by the idiotic script. The aim to empower women is at best diluted by the actual script. Sucks! 5. What on Earth/in Westeros were they thinking about with The Long Night and the Night's King/undead attack - how can they consciously accept a total waste of 7 years of "Winter is Coming!" Please compare with the Netflix "Kingdom" series. They managed to blend the ending with undead attacking together with political intrigue in a much more satisfying, intelligent, and storytelling superior way that what happened in S8E3 at the Battle of Winterfell. And they even get to say “Winter has Come! In The Kingdom” Probably as a reference to GoT where the winter-plot was lost. Sigh... The Battle of Winterfell... what a stupid moronic idiot decided NOT to ask anybody who knows something... ANYTHING... about military affairs... even a simple wargamer could tell that the placement of troops was.... beyond the imbecilic! Why did they not hire a consultant who could have advised them with military affairs? Arrrgh!!!!!

GIVEE ME SOMETHIN FOR THE PAIN!!!!😭😭🤣

Fire EmPreSs NOT MILK OF THE POPPY

Lol my thoughts exactly. These dudes are prob pissed too because game of thrones is why many followed their channel.

Season 8 brought us Covid

Time to get over it, aye?

Rewatched the show countless times over the years. Couldn’t care less now.

I've seen a lot of fan fictions out there using what we had from season 7 or changing things from season 5 onward and they helped a lot. Macabre storytelling has a whole series where hes rewritten character by character and it helps a lot. I dont like everything he does but it's a hell of a lot better than what we actually got. Makes it easier to rewatch and 1-4 are so good you could pretend everything ends with Tyrion killing tywin lol.

The ending to Mass Effect 3 was the only series ending of any medium that made me feel similarly to the ending of Game of Thrones. It just totally deflated the impact of the rest of the series.

Exactly.

Incredible that HBO allowed D&D to ruin such a potentially lucretive franchise!

The Titanic took a little dip after hitting the iceberg.

Love that soup boys

We shall never see their like again...

Never new nerd soup could smell so good...

Until house of the dragon

@@TheIrishSpartacus gimme a hot bowl of nerd soup

I absolutely loved it up to season 4. 5 bored the hell out of me, 6 caught me again, 7 lost me again. And 8 finally stepped over the line where I couldn't even pretend to care anymore. I haven't thought about GoT since other than having fun watching pisstakes on seasons 7-8. It's like I don't even care one bit anymore, when I used to look forward to the next season from season 1 onwards. I hope that this didn't ruin GRRM's legacy to a point where nobody will even care anymore. But I fear that it might have

Trying to care about Game of Thrones now is just hard. You gotta know when to let it go and I think the whole world just decided to give it up

Yea me too

I rewatched Hardhome dozens of times and never got sick of it. After season 8 and rewatched the entirety of the show because it was my boyfriend's first time watching GoT, when we finally got to Hardhome, I felt nothing. Very sad...

@@holysecret2 Hopefully it shouldn't ruin it, because he made the books and not the show

But everyone was expecting that! Gotta subvert expectations!

I think Jaime should have

​@@Gh0stGaminginc I think Jaime should have died in the long night. And, Arya should have taken his face and then gone to kings landing to kill Cersei.

But... but... girl boss? Right?....

Disagree that is her character but she has always still had emotion like giving up revenge to go home to her family and being with gendry

I agree I lost interest in Arya as soon as she ended up with the faceless assassins which is a snooze fest IMO

@@yasolivia8177 not staying in a crumbling building to stab someone who will obviously die anyone is not being a character. Having meanlingless sex is even less of being a character. Just doing anything that isn't murder doesn't make her an actual character

Chronistic well then u can say that about every character then coz we see Arya do other things aswell as being a warrior but that is I big part of her character because that is what she always wanted and trained for it so we are obviously gonna see her fight a lot coz if we didn’t people would just complain that we didn’t see her fight

@@yasolivia8177 yes, we also see her say cringy, threatening bullshit because "im a badass" and "sometimes i like my family" is all she is now. The fact that we sometimes she her do anything other than fight does not mean she hasn't been stripped of any form of humanity (which is how D and D seem to perceive stronger female characers, rape is good and not being a person makes you strong) Seeing her fight a lot has nothing to do with her personality, what are you even on about When did she learn to fight? While fighting with a stick while blind? Or while cutting off magic faces? "Show, don't tell" extends to "show, don't gloss over and hope people don't realize"

Real millitary manuevers had things like supply lines for food but yeah, it is what it is.

and maybe not have her incinerate a mile long line of wagons containing food :/

@@Ma55ey still pissed that that was never an issue. Cersei could've used that as propaganda against Danny. "Look the invaders destroyed all our food for the long winter!" Nope, totally forgotten about, not a big deal

​@@renegadexblackout Nope, totally forgotten about, not a big deal!!!! you could sum up the show with that statement.... unfortunately...

Remember when Dany burned dozens upon dozens of carts full of food while her army was short on food in S7?

Or the balrog being killed by Gimli because it ‘felt right’.

I agree, but lord of the rings is a very traditional fantasy, so subversions dont work, u cannot say you don't want subversions of expectations in game of thrones, we wouldn't have red wedding, neds death, oberyns death and more, subverting expectations is core to game of thrones, it is done poorly in season 8 tho

robert windon yeah but there is a difference between plot driven, well grounded subversions like the red wedding, and ass-pulls like Arya offing the Night King instead of Jon. That was just twisting for the sake of a twist, just like Star Wars has done.

MDA TAMU not to mention a lot of the unrealistic and stupid moments people completely ignore when saying this show plays things more realistically. Yes, some of the things fans wanted to see would be too LOTR, but don’t ignore the painfully obvious plot armor and ruined characters.

@@mdandrews I could see Arya killing him if Jon was fighting him at the time.

Sansa is Robb's sister not daughter.

This!! When Varys said what he said in season 3 he was very specifically talking about how history is dictated by those who survive it, them being the only people left to tell the tale. For them to take this to the extreme, when he's been formally recognized as killing the king, actually killed the hand of the king, and acted as hand to the daughter of the former king during her invasion to reclaim his throne, it's utterly ridiculous to even think back to the conversation and think it'd be clever to do it.

@@manvirshergill1739 you're right lmao, my b. Was pretty drunk when I wrote that

theyre literally the existential threat put there to show how trivial the game of thrones is lol

I’m not entirely sure it’s a “final villain” sort of ordeal in the books or at the very least it probably won’t end up that way. George is notorious for setting things up simply to subvert things and twist them later. He does this over and over and over again in the books, I’m almost certain if we ever get the last two books the white walkers won’t just fight the humans and then that’s it. There’s definitely going to be more to it than just a fight for survival.

@@sergiomendoza4040 Yes, but when Martin subverts expectations, its never out of nowhere, at least in the long run. There is always some foreshadowing, whether that is through another character's pov, or consequences catching up with the heroes and villains. The Others in the show were an afterthought, and they were swept aside for Danny. Even Cersei, someone you can make a point of being the main "villain" of the story, was ignored. Mind you, the Others in the show were simply ice zombies, while in the books they are described very differently. I do believe that there will be far more to the white walkers than what the show did, but they will not be just another battle that the "heroes" must overcome on their way to the throne. The long night will have grave consequences in the books, mainly because of the whole subversion thing Martin has going on. When I said they were the final villains, I did not mean that the story would conculed with : And as the last of the Others falls so does peace spreads her wings over the realm, the end. Character arcs do not have to close with a villain being defeated.

@@johnmoshos2435 agreed.

@@YoungSavage You totally stole that line from Brandon M. Jacob’s video lol. Not that I disagree.

'but to go against the whole point of the show...' Tell me, what is the point of the show?

@Booper Dooper If that was the case, it wouldn't be called A Song of Ice AND FIRE, would it? The fire part is just as important as the ice part and those two parts mirror each other and go in parallel. Because, while the people in the books are blind through their power struggles of the dangers the WWs pose, so are the people in REAL LIFE blind to the danger Dany poses and people like Dany in the real world.

Yeah, it fails at making Euron a great villain, you just feel like Dany and her dragons which is one of the most expected things to see where overrated this whole time

Why "more than it should"? It's terrible writing to not adhere to rules and characters you have set up and can utterly destroy any world and story

@Thinking Clearly Two lmao he was boring in season 6, and he's been a clown in 7 as well

@@holysecret2 i think the implication is that it shouldnt bother him at all becaues it shouldnt have been a problem in the first place

@@holysecret2 because at the end of the day, it's just a tv show. It means bugger all. To still be irritated at all about it in 2020 when the world is currently a dumpster fire is mind blowing.

This KZfaq comment was written better than all of season 8.

Jon definitely didn't get the hero's pay off we were asking for. He should have at least fought Greyworm in a final trial by combat move. It felt like they teased that quite a bit and never delivered.

“MY QUEEN!! They don’t have a choice! She is the queen!” God that pissed me off beyond belief. And yeah a lot of people were jumping at us saying we wanted some grand epic Disney level battle. Well for one thing, our ideas would’ve been a lot more emotionally impactful and way more epic. For how big this battle was, it really lost its weight seeing how inconsistent some of the plot armor and overall strategies were. Forgive us for wanting to see a long awaited duel with Jon and NK, but don’t think we wouldn’t be satisfied with just a few sword clangs (although some definitely would expect more of course). He wouldn’t even have to kill the NK, just showcase characters doing cool stuff in a battle that’s been built up for 8 seasons. If they really played it realistically like old GOT, everyone sitting outside the castle like idiots would’ve been wiped out immediately, and yet people forget that too. Idk, it’s just difficult and not worth it to get so worked up over this, but still.

I will never forget the goosebumps when we first found out about Jon's parents and later that the is the rightful heir. And then they threw all of that in the trash.

@@Gaminating 100% have them jousting in the skies on their dragons, have jon fighting the NK while the other Valyrian steel wielders fight his lieutenants, have ghost's fangs tipped with obsidian, have bran warg into Rhaegal so Jon can have a clear path to the NK. So many cool things, but almost anything would have been better than what we got

No characters were forced down the viewer throats . Everyone written in made sense.

Star wars fans have a weird thing with harassing actors they don't like, they did it with Hayden and the guy who played jar jar too

It's only better when you make fun of it "It's so bad, it's good"

Yes totally agree, to this day I cannot stomach the garbage called season 8

You can thank Snoke for killing it.

@@badgasaurus4211 I'd rather just curse Rian Johnson fans since it's their defense for his bad decisions

@@CodySvsTheNet which decisions were bad, snoke was boring and his death was great, apart from that most of his subversions are just character or story decisions that most people dont agree with, that doesn't make them bad

PRIME example: The Last of us 2

robert windon Luke’s death was poor. If he was going to die via force projection anyway then he should have just went there in person. Really underwhelming and weak death for such an important character. There is no defence for that. Finn sacrificing himself to buy the rebels more time to escape and Rose crashing into him (even though finn was closer to the cannon than her so there was no way she would be able to catch up in time to stop him from that angle because they are both in the same craft). Then she gives that dreadful line about saving what we love even though she just stopped finn from saving the rebels... Another one is the Holdo manoeuvre because it begs the question why smaller crafts were not made and used in such a manner before if it is so powerful. Just a bad ex machina. Speaking of ex machinas, same goes for Leia being blown out a ship then using the force in a manner never seen before to save her life despite displaying no force abilities in the past. The new ability isn’t bad in isolation, just in the context of the ex machina and lack of force ability showcase. She should have died. There’s other stuff like Cantobite being a complete waste of time accomplishing to the plot but that wouldn’t be classed as subversion and ‘bad decisions’ more just needless padding and on the nose comments about money driving war and animal abuse.

Well........ @ least they will have a great legacy of destroying the most successful series ever.

@A.L Executive producers are the reasons you couldn't find a decent and daring TV show for decades to save your life. If you don't take creative risks you'll never get the rewards. GOT S8 was spectacular TV.

@@SerbAtheist The Wire, The Sopranos and Breaking Bad were more daring than this half-arsed shite.

They didn't really rush it... The show was away for 2 1/2 years. That is plenty of time to film 10 or 12 episodes instead of 8.

@@SerbAtheist Spectecular TV, incredibly bad storytelling.

@Raymond Sims It is but it will always be remembered for how poorly it ended

When has GOT EVER worked in such a straightforward fashion? The narrative structure of GOT has ALWAYS been messy ON PURPOSE! Instead of the familiar story beats is something much closer to the way reality works and is all the better for it.

Noree Hix game of thrones is the Start Work

Endgame was epic for sure. However it ruined Thanos's character and left an unresolved arc for Thor.

@@ScumAnt well in his defense Thor still has a movie left

@hyndergogen even when they had the books to support them, they still managed to fuck it up, from foreshadowing the red wedding to everything about Season 5 and 6 where Stannis should have won but face a honorable battle to the death against the Others upon learning that Melissandre burned Shireen since misinformation spread across Castle Black of Stannis' demise at the hands of Ramsay (a ploy to demoralize the leftover Stannis loyalists as well as oust Jon as lord commander, although it's possible that Mance wrote it as well to get Jon to bring the wildlings)

Rheya Ruiz yeah but they didn’t kill off Aang in season 1. They also didn’t lay a hand on woman and children.

Just like plinkett said funnily enough

Disney Star Wars? No, the sequel trilogy. Literally every other project made by Lucasfilm/Disney in every other medium has been fantastic, especially TV and novels. Don't label all those mediums under the wide umbrella of the Sequel Trilogy shit.

@@todo3602 yeah yeah, I also like some Disney stuff like Mandalorian, Rebels, the Darth Vader comic and whatnot, but we all get what I mean

@@todo3602 The Disney Star Wars comics are lowkey dogshit. The artwork for starships is even plagiarized in certain issues. It is not just the sequel trilogy.

They both have annoying repaeating dialogue with Finn screaming Rey all the time and jon Snow "you are my queen"

Then why didn’t they leave the show before season 7 they wanted the credit for all of got but were not ready to put the work in to give it a proper ending, fuck them and glad karma came back to bite then

yes the anticapation

I saw the notification and I just laughed. I have been watching their past videos on game of thrones.

Bo makes a lot of great points (even if I disagree with a few of them) but I went into this video *knowing* Arron was going to defend it as much as possible, and of course, I was right. He plays devil's advocate the entire time but 54:49 sums up my frustration with his points.

@@cybele_mullejz correction: "GoT is great... but what happened with the last 4 seasons?"

THEY DIDINT WUN IT! THEY NEVA AVE!!!

THEY WERE BOYS!!!!!

lmaoooooooooooooooooo my coffee has been spewed lol

@@FelicityGemini So it was your coffee cup in that one scene.

@@FutureDeep only continuity that matters lol

Trying to find bright spots, dancing around hard truths and glossing over a LOT of major makes shouldn't invite respect. It just comes off as pathetic and delusional. Like some physically and sexually assaulted housewife saying "but he's a good man" while she's still torn, bruised and bleeding from that nights drunken rampage..

You’re absolutely right but Battle of the Bastards saved season 6 for a lot of people.

It's like having the chance to score a point that will make you one of the greatest champions ever in any sport and missing it by a mile.

Totally agree

@@laurocoman Federer Wimbledon 2019 T_T

@@bocusfocus9714 Higuaín in the 2014 World Cup.

Game of Thrones is not still a good series. There is no way to grade each season and take an average that comes out above a C-.

Johnlocked the impala lol true

At first I didn’t appreciate it but she was the best person to take him out. We’ve never really seen Jon lose a fight and frankly it wasn’t a matter of if he’d win in a duel. Having Arya who was trained to kill by the faceless men. The girl who studies and dodged death, destroys the second most closest representation of death was well earned and a pleasant subversion. This isn’t a classic mid evil knights and ladies live happily ever after so no Jon killing the Night king and marrying Daenerys wouldn’t of been cool (I know you didn’t say it but I get the Jon and Daenerys should of been a thing a lot)

I always felt like Tyrion should’ve went himself to negotiate with Cersei about ringing the bells (instead of sending Jamie). There could’ve been a great dialogue scene between Tyrion and Cersei, which would end in her accepting his offer and ringing the bells but, in classic GoT fashion, have Mountain throw Tyrion off the window (remember that she wanted him dead the entire season). And that could be the switch for Danny. That moment, in which she witnesses her most loyal (and last) ally die. So, regardless of the bells and Cersei’s surrender, she goes mental and torches everything. (Not sure if it would've been enough to save the season, but it would make at least that part more sensible. At least to me.)

@Rheya Ruiz you are completely right in everything you said about the entire build up meaning there is no way to save it. But having rhaegal and missandei die in the episode sending dany into a blind rage would have helped a little, teeny, insy, weeny, tiny, tiny bit lol.

@@chandrawagner4061 how about as Tyrion approaches the red keep to talk with his sister he sees a brutally beaten and dying missandei lashed above the gateway. With an averted look he decides that the right talk could save the city, putting aside this act is worth so many lives... The siblings talk, she accepts the deal that ringing bells to signal surrender will mean her banishment or whatever his foul appetites on tyrion "...then pin anything that still remains up with that slave bitch"... The bells ring and a dragon victory lap takes place with cheering crowd, happy they won't die. Then Danni sees her two advisors dead and defiled. Betrayed under house protection she wants to avenge tyrion. Realising what missandei must have endured tips her over the edge- fighting back tears she is resolved to repay this treachery they ALL must pay- a hundredfold!

@@fomoran ooh I like that. That is a take I havent heard! I really like the idea of Cersei surrendering but still doing something cruel and terrible to dany first. I would also add that her destruction starts at the red keep not on the townsfolk but as she destroys kore and more it's not enough for her because shes so angry. Or something like that.

If she’d totalled the red keep & civilians had got killed in crossfire it would have been better

Black Beard Yep, too soon. The only good thing to come out of S8 is that I started reading the books.

I agree, I cant even watch old videos now. Its just so disappointing, I should of known after season 7 but in my naivety I thought theyd fix it.

Agree that it’s too soon. I have a strictly emotional reaction to season 8 that I can’t shake yet

Edward Seely I feel like so many of us knew in our guts at Season 7 and I wish I would’ve listened to that goddamn gut feeling

Lexigoo So true😂

It would have made sense if Jon had a sword fight with the Night King and lost but was still alive. And Arya after her dope sneak scene through the library had secretly used a walkers face to get close and when the NK was about to land the final blow on a distracted bran she lunges for the kill. But I’m with you. Maybe she fails and instead of doing her knife drop move she tosses it to a beaten Jon and Jon stabs the NK in the back and it’s over. Either way there are a ton of better ways to get to the same conclusion

Arya has been 'chasing the black cat' since S1. Her entire story is dealing with death on every single level. And what is Jon's 'stake'? You want him to kill the NK because you have convinced yourself that the Azor Ahai prophecy is referring to the NK. The possibility that it is actually referring to DANY never even crosses your minds. Jon is Azor Ahai, but the true enemy he must defeat is not the Night King, but Daenerys Targaryen.

​@SerbAtheist jon being actually fighting and dealing with whites since season 1 so yeah more important for him to kill nk than Arya

Because we want to feel again.

Someone doesn’t know about self harm

If 2020 wasn’t mad enough

I gave up hope on george finishing them a long time ago

Dalle Smalhals but Sanderson did a pretty good job though

Dalle Smalhals also it’s finished

Y'all are never seeing the ending of this show

And it was good because the unpredictable parts still made logical sense in hindsight. Not so much in the later seasons.

Me too dude. People act like we want some Avengers level duel. No, but literally some sort of action with swords clanging would’ve been cool. I definitely understand why the NK wouldn’t put himself in active danger in the middle of battle, but everyone going on about how this show plays everything so realistic are completely ignoring things like horrible plot armor. It’s been a year, so I really don’t pay much mind to it anymore, but on occasion I’ll talk about it.

What irks me most is that nobody in the long night ever even faces a white walker. All the valerian steel in that battle, and none of it matters. Just another one of those many, many things that are set up and never pay off. The fight with the white walker in season 5 is so cool. Sadly it's the last time you see one in a fight.

@@Gaminating I can only imagine that was the plan before they turned on a dime not wanting to serve up what was expected. Why else change the original night king for the swordfighting trainer unless you plan to use the obvious valerian steel threat against an ancient magically brilliant swordsman who you can't even touch... Subversion? The show runners are hacks!

@@Gaminating Anyone who says the battle was realistic when every nameless character got slaughtered while Sam was sitting and crying on a pile of bodies and somehow was saved at the last second the only times anyone came at him

Jon should have killed the night king period

Nah don’t think so. Too much wrong with the season. One quick scene can’t save what happened with the night King

Badgasaurus Yeah, this could be done. Showing how like Bloodraven drove the mad king even more mad but did this to Dany. Simple trickery would have greatly altered opinions for this dumpster fire. I didn’t say it would have saved it, but a series of flashbacks would have likely improved it so it wasn’t the worst finale ever made. Bran is where they failed the most and that is saying something for this one.

maaaaaaaybe... but, I think you're probably only talking about like a 10% improvement, tops. (and I'm not someone who categorically hates the entire season) Even then, I could see plenty jumping on that it would've been that sort of cliched trope of "and now at the climax a montage of all how it REALLY happened the entire time". That gets done a healthy amount in mystery stories.

Kevin W Just that Bran did SOMETHING would have been 10% better. He didn’t even send the horse. Jumping through glimpses and leaving the mystery open a little could have been amazing! And I’m not one who bashed any of the prior seasons despite being a book wanker, they were all entertaining!

@@shannond7437 ya know what still kinda kills me? In the realtime of when I was watching episode 3 for the first time, there was a brief moment where I genuinely thought Bran HAD warged into one of the dragons. It's one of those things, it felt more encompassing as it happened, you look back now and it's like maybe 7 total seconds of screentime. But it was after the Night King initiated the big zombie raise from all the dead soldiers when Jon was like 30 yards away from him. He starts getting swarmed, but then a giant dragonfire breath comes scorching down, and the way it was staged, that fireball seemed VERY strategically placed, getting as close to Jon as possible without hitting him. The dragon lands and even though it's the one Dany's still riding, Jon yells "Bran!" right at it/them. I became elated because I thought Bran got into the dragon brain cockpit specifically to help Jon there. Not only did I fail to realize Drogon's eyes weren't distinctly discolored (telltale sign of being warged) it took a minute for it to click Jon screamed Bran's name solely to communicate to Dany Bran's physical protection was now ALL that mattered. Obviously that was essential for the whole plan anyway, but I'd so wanted to believe he was "talking to" Bran inside Drogo.

Arya's whole development was fucked

@Vandole and it would have been pretty cool if those were actually ashes of the people Dany burned alive, a very fucked up but quite clever twist on the vision she saw in one of the earlier season. but NOPE! they didn't even have the brain cells to do at least that, in one of the worst ending in the history of Television.

@@billnguyen4148 It is a snowstorm because Dany brought winter to KL. 'Winter is coming' was always a warning about her and a clear indication that the NK was just a red herring.

Sydni Taylor I used to hate it but after rewatching the series I actually love the final season now. Seeing more and more balanced takes from latest reviews too

@@takum5072 okay, nobody said you couldn't eventually love it and everyone has a right to feel how they feel. The final season doesn't ruin my days because it's just a show and there's other shows out now. I don't have to care for the final season I've seen too many plot holes and inconsistencies in the last two seasons.

@Joshua Foley We all have a right to feel how we feel, especially sense we've invested our time into it and were passionate about it at some point. Like I just told @Taku Music the final season doesn't ruin my day, I watch other shows. Yes I'm still a fan of the show, but I don't dislike or trash anyone's comments because they enjoyed it so if you both don't like what I say it's easy to keep scrolling and I'm not trying to be rude.

@Joshua Foley you're fine 😉

Exactly. And the way they capitalize on the red keep as Dany watches was a powerful moment. In that moment I felt dead certain she’s going right for the red keep and I got pumped. Wait- no? Oh, don’t tell me... I feel like if we had even just one more episode in between ep 4 and 5 to showcase her transition, it would’ve helped a little at least. Like everything in this season, it just moved way too quickly.

TheGaminator they made her completely delusional saying the sky was piss yellow when it’s clearly blue and that’s not who she is. it didn’t work and the dany haters who love it HATE that so many hate it. i’m so glad people hated that mad queen arc

Upon finding out she'd executed a Master who spoke out against slavery she didn't really flinch. She did become a bit of a Sith as well.... Though that was the writing contradicting itself since she let Jorah live. I could see a bit of crazy even early on but little of the progression fit. Her justification for slaughtering innocent people was well they haven't rose up and dethroned Cersei.... Yea um you armed and assisted those cities that did prior. If the writing wasn't crap Tyrion would have told her the citizens had already tried during the days of Joffrey.

@Vandole Did you read or just not comprehend? Also Yes the Citizens were mentioned and blamed for not rising up as others had. The marathon runner though.... Why would one not attend a all you can eat contest after? Those two things can be very connected.

Bruh. Book two she rocks up at a city with a group of tribal people who mostly just rape and pillage any place without walls, and when they rightfully don't let her in unless she shows them she's actually special and has some dragons she tells them she's gonna burn the place to the ground. Perhaps that's a reasonable reaction for some, but when it's a matter of life and death for the people you swore to protect (Actually, swore "those who would harm you will die screaming". A badass line, but kinda fits the narrative I'm going for.) I'm not sure that that's the best response.

Bran: Well, I do. Jon: What? King Bran: ;p

Last of Us II? 😝

I can’t wait 20 years. I need a remake of season 8 AS SOON AS POSSIBLE before the actors age in a way that unmaskable with cgi/special effects. Otherwise I will Sunshine of the Spotless Mind this show out of my head and memories for good. 8 years of white walker build-up... FOR NOTHING!!!!!!🤬!!!!😡😡😡😖🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We might get Winds Of Winter... but there is no chance in Hell we are getting the final book. George will be long dead before.

Thinking Clearly Two This is my new headcanon for the show. Thanks 🙂

Thats why I unsubscribed from them theres no defending this travesty of a season.

Czech American 🙄 I mean you like their content right? Why stop supporting them

I always felt Jaime should have died defending bran

Melly Reed Fair enough! The route he took proved he was flawed and only human. I just am bothered by the fact he broke away from his sister basically willing to sacrifice himself fighting with the Starks helping what was his enemy knowing it was right and seemingly seeing Ceresi for what she was only to forget those same notions and forget feeling betrayed by her for Unc Greyjoy just to run back. It was portrayed poorly, felt nonsensical as if it was written to undermine everything that happened to him previously. I understand and see where you’re coming from and would have been fine with it had there been enough of it fleshed out to feel convincing and cohesive, that’s all.

In all fairness, Jamie's arch is the only one I don't take issue with. It's not the one we wanted, but it's still a very true arch. Regardless of if they purposely meant it that way or if it was an accident. Jamie is an addict. More often than not when dealing with addictions we see little bow wrapped up on the end and everything's perfect and fine. Very rarely do we show the truth. Relapses happen and very rarely do they need something extreme to cause a relapse. I'm saying this for my own personal place of dealing with narcotics addiction. The hardest time in my recovery was after dreaming about taking half a Norco. That's all it took. So, whether or not D&D meant it as an addiction arch, it's actually a very true, and often ignored part of addiction, and I have to appreciate it just for that.

Jaded Wonderland Thanks for your perspective and showing a different angle for this to viewed. I understand and agree but I still feel as though there was a lot lacking as far as his character in the final season went.

@@eddymonies8302 oh trust me, I actually really like Jamie. I appreciate complicated characters way more than "look at this good guy isn't he so good". I definitely wanted the good addiction arch, but I also have to appreciate the bad addiction arch LOL

@@eddymonies8302 and like I said, I'm not giving D&D any credit for it. I'm positive it was an accidental addiction arcs because they have proven that they can't purposely write anything well 😂😂😭😭😭😭

Same. I can’t rewatch the good seasons because I end up comparing them to the bad ones and thinking about all of the ways it went wrong.

Same - it all just seems pointless when you know how it turns out.

It ruined it for me man. A lot of people say the journey is better than the destination, but for me the destination was shit house

I rewatched, thinking is it too soon? But no I'm finding not so much stuff I missed but perception and focus changes, I'm less bothered maybe even ok with the ending. I see things make sense more and parallels I didn't notice. It's the execution that fell off in the end. I never bought Dany was all good , to me I was fully not surprised at her ending. I did want more for the knights king story.. really really want more lol

Troy Taylor it’s like going on a great road trip but crashing into a tree at the end. You had the time of your life on the way there, but do you realy wanna do it al again and suffer that same crash?

It basically was.

@@WhyNotTruth Yeah, I guess.

@Jay Jones When I tried to rewatch I only got 1 minute in. The first scene features the White Walkers, so I remembered right there how they deal with them in season 8. That was a turn-off from the get go, so I didn't bother.

Jay Jones yea if people have never seen it before I tell them to watch the first couple seasons at least cuz those are still amazing

But for the people who really hardcore zero in on the whole "you have 7 seasons of build up of what the 'real', broader context threat is and then that's all done in one episode halfway thru" aspect for what now so quickly stokes their hate (including pointing out the series' very 1st scene is White Walker-centric, and to be fair that's often a typical device of saying what your story's about) I'd just like to offer up this thought for their consideration. Even though I wound up with misgivings myself about the specifics of how this was done, I do still want to give the series a certain credit for at least attempting something that's not really done too often in modern fiction. Not much I know of, anyway. And it's not that the WW are some tricky misdirect, but when you have this sprawling story obviously centering on politics for so long, arguments being made either side for it being still useful or arcane or not. Deeply flawed humanity shown off everywhere, we can't get our shit together. Then this (for lack of a better word) 'supernatural' massive force having been in the background, starts to become obvious it's coming soon and to erase your reality. The inevitable "a fucking throne will be irrelevant if we're literally all dead" rally, and most of that humanity indeed comes together knowing, yeah not like we're best friends now, but we've no choice to defend one as to defend all. It's PROBABLY NOT going to work, but fuck if we'll just give up. We're all painfully aware there's like 3% chance this'll actually work. I appreciate that Game Of Thrones takes a look at what might happen when the 3%'s enough. What happens AFTER the point we actually succeed when NONE of us thought we would? The "alien" is gone. Just us humans again (albeit less). Will all of us have taken much from this experience to maybe do things different? We could, but surely won't. Certainly not all, anyway. We're ultimately a flawed species that'll never be able to get out of its own way for the longer term. Yeah characters here had relatively happy endings, more than I figured would (the 11 fans in the world who bet that Greyworm of all people would live out gotta be rich now), but there was still plenty of ugly to hash out and suffer from after the existential evil was smote. Again (& thanks if anyone's been crazy enough to actually read this long) I like this concept - IN THEORY. But the show still took an unnecessarily painful, bumpy road to try that out.

First half Dothraki, Second Valyrian. The two languages sound quite distinct if you're anything more than a cursory fan.

Sansa is a snake!!! She always wanted to be Queen

That was not her fault. She advised Jon not to attack, practically pleaded him, and Jon did. She went to the nights of the vale as a desperate last attempt and was lucky to convince them to come. Riding there and back is a long trip and the North was lucky that she made back when she did. Her lack of experience and arguably other qualities are overlooked because she’s the last Stark that could rule the North

@@IjzerKeizer Actually she told him "Don't do what Ramsay wants you to do" which is a dumb line. "She went to the nights of the vale" Um that was Baelish. What qualities? The statement on the attack would it of not been wise to make a huge point to tell Jon that Ramsay likes to play games? Knowing this why did she not go down to tell him their Brother was bait and already dead? Also yes it was her fault the part where she says they shouldn't attack is based on Allies and leaves out the fact the Vale would be very likely. She ends her protest and fails to give any real useful info. Why? She likely did want Jon dead.

Thomas D no, she went to the Nights of the Vale and pleaded with Baelish. Baelish was already in the Vale. She also did tell Jon to hold his attack. I think youre making her more machiavellian than she is

@@IjzerKeizer she wouldn't have had to tell jon to hold his attack if she had just accepted Baelish's offer for the knights of the Vale in the first place and saved thousands of lives.

I don’t know how anyone could dedicate 70 hours to rewatching a show that they know turns into junk when they could be spending that time reading the books.

Joshua Foley So what’s the point of the first 6 seasons then? Pointless setup to a lackluster ending. The characters spend 6 seasons talking up the long night. I guess it literally lasted just one night.

Joshua Foley You keep telling yourself that.

It's because of the books that I can still enjoy seasons 1 thru 6. Since those early seasons were so faithful and just well made

@@Aquaneos1193 nah 5 through 6 spat on the books in favor of doing their own thing and 4 is partly to blame (though amazing and largely faithful) since they deliberately cut out a lot of things George wanted to include as hints to later plots. 1-4 is faithful book adaptation 5-8 is fan fic. Though I still greatly enjoy watching 5 and 6, they arent faithful at all and a good portion of things that happen in both wont be happening in the books because they dont make sense with where the story and characters are at.

season 8 was a disappointment but getting filled with hate at the thought of a disappointing story over a year later might be something you wanna look into, for your own health

@@AlastorL5 I just choose to ignore it 😂 I'll get over it

I was a Stannis fan and I thought I had it bad after season 5. What a sweet summer child I was.

Duncan Land no she’s filled w hatred toward the series not like in general lol she don’t need help, it’s valid to hate a show

Arya is wolverine and Lady Sandra is a Bolton

We didn't see her tell Tyrion about Jon's heritage or cash in her chips at the crucial moment to make a stand for North's independence?

The Bells was where I gave up and admitted to myself that Thrones wasn’t working for me anymore.

In Sapochnik I trust. House of the Dragon will be epic, just hoping HBO starts at the conquest as they say with 300 years before our Thrones story.

The fact that they had more foreshadowing in the preshow monologue than the series in full was a serious problem.

Stefan Filipovits Same. That is when it went from “highly flawed but still enjoyable and occasionally gripping” to “nonsensical farce”.

Shannon T i don’t trust him, he’s great with directing but character wise? after seeing what he said about Daenerys i’m not interested in him taking on a show about house targaryen. he sees them as 1 dimensional, im good

At least half of those characters should have died. Episode 2 was definitely the best of the season, but keeping all of those characters alive made the fireplace scene much less meaningful.

Yeah, I see what you’re saying. I’m a huge Podrick fan, but him going out saving Brienne or Tyrion would’ve been a noble end.

In hindsight, episode 2 is useless.

And as you start to touch on. He was both Hand of the king and Master of Coin for Joffrey, he was Hand to Daenerys Stormborn. His capture sparked the War of the Five Kings. He killed the most powerful man in the seven kingdoms (Tywin), and he was accused of killing Joffrey. How do you leave him out of the histories?