What if Jamie went to protect Elia Martell (as he promised Rhaegar) after he killed the mad king.

I feel like the moment Joffrey laid a hand on Margaery, that would be it. Either Olenna or Loras (in a rage much like with Renly) would have taken him out.

What if Sansa married Joffrey? What if Arya and the Hound went with Brienne and Pod?

What if Joanna Lannister survives Tyrions birth?

Excellent analysis. I agree with everything you said and I'll add a couple of things. 1. The key to controlling Joffrey is to never let him be in any actual position of power. Make sure that he barely has any contact with people who can actually do any harm by following his orders. Joffrey's biggest hits - ordering Ned's death, ordering the butchery of bastards, ordering the soldiers to kill the rioters, ordering Tyrion's assassination - all could've been prevented had Cersei made sure that the people taking those orders were loyal to her instead of Joffrey. Tyrion was smart enough to do it by firing Slynt and putting Bronn in charge, but he couldn't actually control the Kingsguard. Between Tywin, Marg and Jamie as the LC, they can make sure the every one of Joffrey's orders go through them. Which means Joffrey would be stuck with his petty villainy of torturing random whores and peasants. 2. Cersei would most likely be married off to Loras and be sent off to Highgarden. Joffrey's death ended up postponing her marriage almost indefinitely and after Tywin, no one could actually force her to marry. 3. With Joffrey alive and the realm stable, I believe we'd see more of Westerosi economics. Now that the kingdoms are more of less united, Tywin could set about setting things right. Bringing law and order back, fixing the Riverlands, getting more loans from the Iron Bank and so on. Both Westeros and the Lannister clan are on the verge of imminent financial collapse and Cersei's actions were only speeding things up. It might have been interesting to see how Tywin dealt with those problems. 4. With Sansa and Tyrion in KL with Tyrion as the Master of Coin, with Baelish in Eyrie married to Lysa and biding his time, with Varys having no reason to run and with no Stark available for Ramsay to marry, things in the North and Essos might've turned out differently. Being busy with Tyrion's trial allowed Tywin to ignore the rumblings of King beyond the Wall - but if Stannis is helping the Watch defend Westeros from the Wildlings, Tywin could hardly avoid getting involved. There is a possibility that his attention to the matter actually gets all of the Westeros involved in that war. 5. Without Tyrion's trial getting his attention, Tywin might focus more on bringing Dany down. And he might succeed. He took Jorah from her by sending just 1 letter. He might be able to do more by supporting Astapor and Yunkai in funding the Harpy revolution. With no Tyrion and Varys keeping, peace, Jorah exiled, Selmy dead, dragons imprisoned or roaming wild and her own political inexperience, Dany would be so busy trying to maintain a semblance of order in Mereen that she might just completely fail to ever set sail to Westeros.

I think I have a good one, what if Renly doesn't die from the shadow and he and Robb team up as planned?

What if Catelyn isn't an idiot and doesn't take Tyrion hostage?

What if Ned listened to Renly

You forgot about Oberyn's goal of taking revenge for his sister. The Mountain and Tywin were the two he was after and the real reason why he went to King's Landing.

I wonder what would have happened if Sansa had pushed Joffrey to his death?

What if bran doesn't see cersei and jaime banging in the tower...? Wouldn't that change like everything?

Cersei was betrothed to Loras,she would be at High Garden.

What if Joanna Lannister had lived?

I'd like to think that having to attend Jeoffery's wedding was the only reason Tyrion couldn't just take Sansa away from Kings Landing, either go to Casterly Rock or perhaps take Sansa home to Winterfell as some way to give her relief from all she's endured, personally I think Cersei or Jeoffery killing Shae would would be the tipping point for him to abandon his family altogether and then Varys would offer to take him and Sansa to Esos so by the time Tywin discovers they went neither to Winterfell or Casterly Rock they'd be safely out of his reach. This could then lead to a scenario where Oberyn seeks his revenge against Tywin and the Mountain, Lady Orlenna conspires to kill Jeoffery after perhaps his wedding night with Margery is less than stellar, setting up Oberyn to take the fall, leading to the trial by combat and his death. As for who'd kill Tywin, I'd see Cersei doing it when her lust for power becomes too great and then frames Loras Tyrell for the crime. Meanwhile Varys convinces Tyrion and Sansa to go to Dany in Mireen, heirs to two noble houses willing to defect to her side would be a tempting offer. Sansa has an opportunity to get to know Dany better this time around and would offer some input to set her on a better path, Varys would be a better teacher to Sansa than Little Finger, who meanwhile has pledged himself to find her for his own twisted plans and successfully abducts her from Esos and takes her to the Boltons in Winterfell, Tyrion, who has bonded with her in their time together, wants to rescue her so they reach out to Jon and the Battle of the Bastards play out but instead of the Knights of the Vale coming to the rescue, Dany comes with her dragons and destroys Ramsey's army. In the aftermath Jon and Dany meet for the first time but have different agendas and part amicably for now, Sansa stays at Winterfell and Tyrion will be going with Dany, perhaps they can have a moment together before they part ways, perhaps him wanting to release her of her marriage to him thinking it's what she wants but she prefers that they work that out at a later time. Jon does what he needs to do in the North while Dany does what she does in the South, though with less messing things up on Tyrion's part.

What if Stannis abidicate in Renly's favor and lead his troops? or What if Renly support Stannis.

Could you do a what if Jon doesn't join the Night's Watch?

I really do miss Jack Gleason.

1:25 that is probably one the cutest frame of GoT

What if Oberyn was a bit more careful and won the trial by combat?

"What if Joffrey lived?" Scary! Can't wait to see what you say.

What if the wildlings weren't stopped by stannis

Man, I kinda miss that little shit lol. Wow in a way LF/Olenna was partly responsible for the death of all those people (Oberyn, Tywin, Doran, aero, shae, etc ), through his actions of killing Joffrey. LF literally has caused ALL of the chaos in this story, gotta respect him for that lol. Great video as always, can't say enough how much I love your "what if" videos! Keep 'em coming, I'm sure you've been getting lots of requests. ❤️

I love these what if videos so much

What if myrcela survives the Dorne (variant a=Sand snakes still kill both martels.variant b=Tristane and his father live)

Great Video as always man, how about; what if, Arya & Sansa never went to King's Landing?

And everyone who was in the Sept of Balor would have lived

when the show and books comes to an end and Tyrion turns out to be just a Lannister and not a targaryen as some of you people say, i'll be here, because the nerds remember...and the end is coming.

yet another awesome video! I don't know how you do it? you make Sundays one of my favourite days of the week

Also Deanerys wouldn't have Tyrion

Joffrey was so twisted as a character that I don't think Margaery could have affected him on a deeper level than she already had by the time he was poisoned. It's like expecting Ned to abandon every sense of honour, loyalty etc the moment he stepped foot in King's Landing. What if wildfire remained nothing but a rumor after all?

I enjoy these What if videos. 👍🏽

Ah, I've missed watching your videos on sunday. But now I'm back :D. I'm not too sad, that Joffrey died. Nobody knows what catastrophes he could have caused

What if Arya doesn't escape king's landing

You forgot that Cersei would have been married to Loras Tyrell. She probably would have been sent to the Reach and would have had zero influence on Joffrey and the small council. And Sansa would not have went to the Eryie and then to Winterfell and Littlefingers plan would have had no effect. Winterfell would still be run by the Boltons. Theon would not have escaped with Sansa because there would be no Sansa in the North. He probably wouldn't have ever meet Dany and would of probably died. Jon wouldn't have had attacked Wintefell because Sansa is a large part of him going to winterfell. Rickon would be alive because he was being held captive by Ramsey. And Dany would probably have killed Joffrey instead of Cersei

Again a very good one ''What if''! I have another one for you. One, that really grind my gears, because I think Arya was very stupid in Harrenhal. What if Arya would have told Jaqen H'ghar the names of Tywin Lannister and Gregor Clegane?

What if the lord of light dude killed the hound in their trial by combat?

Keep up the good work, man!

Olenna would have tried again, this time probably with a mercenary and a crossbow. She made it clear she was not letting Margery marry that ‘Beast’.

He was well on his way to becoming exactly like the mad king so I'm pretty sure someone would have to put him down eventually like his father had to put down the mad king.

i really doubt she would have been able to get loras to back off after him losing renly

Another great What If! Good work WHAT IF Stannis had won the battle of black water?!

It would be awesome if Someone made a game incorporating all the What-if scenarios as different routes...like a Visual novel

Here's an idea. What if Joffery wasn't crazy?

What if Jon Arryn never discovered the incest between the Lannister siblings?

Just curious what do you think will happen to Aegon or "young griff" in the next book?

Seeing that Joffrey was crazy I think Tywin would replace the entire Kingsguard with men who understood that Tywin was really the one in charge. And they (and the council, who would also be made clear of this) would not carry out any important or crazy orders without clearing them first. Aaaand unless king Joffrey learns to control his more sadistic impulses in public he would spend the rest of Tywins life being essentially grounded. Yes, even after he is an adult. Not even allowed to attend council meetings. Because Tywin is allergic to inefficient rule and ridicule. "Sorry, your highness. You can't leave your room. The floors of the castle being cleaned and are very slippery and unsafe... this month.

I'm pretty sure that Tywin was in with Olenna and Lord Baelish on the assassination of Joffery. Tommen was much younger and a bit more moldable to Tywin's image no matter how much of a difference Margery and Tywin tried it wouldn't have worked. Olenna didn't want Margery marriage to Joffrey, but Tommen was a lot nicer kid to be around. It was a win win on both sides. After all, the people that got implicated in the murder was Tyrion (who Tywin hated because he caused the death of his wife and he was a dwarf) and Sansa Stark (who was a threat to the Tyrell/Barantheon alliance and probably because she was easy to implicate. She had the poison necklace, but it was Tyrion that handed the cup to Joffrey. They were the ones implicated. Tywin was also betting on another factor was well. Tyrion demanding a trial by combat because that was what he did at the Vale when he was accused of murder and attempted murder. Tywin would have been betting that he would do the same thing again. This time, he was betting that the Champion would be Prince Oberon, the Red Viper, once it was announced that the Mountain would be the Crown's champion. This got rid of another thorn in his side as Prince Oberon was asking a lot of questions and demanding the Mountain's head for what he did to his sister and her children. The Mountain would kill Prince Oberon. Dorne would have been in fighting between themselves over what to do. He would send them the Mountain's head as compensation which would have taken out someone that knew too much and had gotten out of control. It would have been a huge win for Tywin and he let Lady Olenna and Lord Baelish think it was all their plan. That is why Lord Tywin is the ultimate puppet master. He lets people think things are their idea when in reality they are playing right into his hands.

If Joffrey lives, that Kingsguard clears out this rabble at the Sept lol

A new awsome video from TheBattProductions

... then we simply reveal his little secret and seat there lord Renly instead.

He'd be the best king ever #MakeWesterosGreatAgain

what if the wildlings joined stannis ?

I can't bear such a thought

Joffrey would’ve been killed another way. Olena did say she was not going to make her granddaughter marry that monster.

I still think Oberyn slowly poisoned Tywin, so he would have died not long after.

There is actually a lot that happened because Joffrey lived for instance Sansa didn't end up at the Vale where Lysa would die, she wouldn't be married to the Bolton and quite possibly Jon would have never fought the war or even win without Sansa writing to her cousin.

what is the medieval kind of music you have playing in the background please? :)

What if Joffrey survived the poison? Then the trial and all that would still have happened, and I assume that Tywin would still have died. Would likely have made Joffrey very paranoid and more dangerous however, especially once Tywin is dead.

If he lived it would have been nice to see him and Ramsey Bolton in a catfight.

On Tyrion, if Tywin lived he never would have allowed Joffrey to just straight up murder Tyrion. The only reason he was willing to allow it after Joffrey's death was because of the trial - it made allowed him to let Tyrion be executed (or take the black, I believe there was an offer for that) in a legitimate way without tarnishing the Lanister reputation more than Tywin already thinks Tyrion tarnishes the Lanister reputation. If Joffrey wanted to execute or exile his uncle, he would have needed a legitimate, legal way to do it or Tywin would have put a stop to it. Not because Tywin cared, but because he was keenly aware of appearances and reputations. I can't remember if it was in the books or the show (I think the books), but if I recall correctly Tyrion had finally secured permission to leave for Casterly Rock (and take Sansa) after the wedding. I thought it was contingent on her being pregnant, but I can't remember exactly. I was a bit disappointed that Sansa and Tyrion didn't work out. They made for a very cute couple and I think they had far more in common than Sansa realized. Plus, having seen Tyrion's point of view, we know that he did genuinely care about her and wanted to protect her as best he could. It's not the most romantic of love (like the forbidden Tyrion/Shae), but if it was able to develop, it could have turned more into a lasting sort of love/affection like what Ned and Cat had. They weren't in love when they were wed either - they married for duty but came to care for each other in time.

What if Aryra killed Joffery when she had a sword to his throat in episode 2 season 1

Nice Video ;) How about What If Jon Snow acepts Stannis Baratheon's Offer

Thank you for this episode again, but I feel like you forgot to mention a lot about the political situation in the kingdom if Joffrey lives... Tywin would probably have dealt with Stannis and the Greyjoys too... and maybe, when everythng is settled, maybe he could have finally done something about the wildlings and/or the white walkers...

what if bran remembered what happened when jaime pushed him from the tower?

Do "what if Robb doesn't die"

I just thought that it's been a while since I watched a video of you and BAM a new video. Awesome! So in this scenario nobody even tried to poison Joffrey right? So Tyrion would be still master of coin and Sansa wouldn't have left with littlefinger. Do you think she would've visit Highgarden? And wouldn't that mean that Cersei had to marry Loras?

Great video

One thing was left out regarding Sansa and Tyrion. The books strongly imply that Joffrey would rape Sansa eventually. Tyrion flew into a rage when the young king taunted him about doing Sansa on his wedding night if the dwarf wasn't up to it. Tyrion would not let the rape of his wife go unpunished, and I believe that either he or Joffrey would end up dead as a result.

Somehow someway Joffery would've ended up killing his mother which I then think would've been his downfall as Jamie would've reaffirmed his nick name as Kings Slayer or Tywin would've killed him himself

More than likely a semi civil war starts btw Joffrey and Tywin. As tension were beginning to rise btw them in that small council meeting after rob stark death. Stannis questions and is skeptical about the validity of melisandras blood magic . Arya eventually takes out joffrey years later after she gains the faceless man skill.

I entered the contest! I need the dragon egg, after all I am a khaleesi!

what do you think would happen if Joffery survived all the way up until season 7? if some kind of negotiations between the army of the living and the Lannisters still took place (assuming Tyrion's absence doesn't stop Danaerys and Jon from becoming allies), how would Joffery react to it do you think?

I think as soon as they had a son someone in the Tyrell family would have killed him. They would have the crown and all of the power. As long as it didn't trace back to them. Wouldn't hurt for them to have him set up a will in case he died making absolute sure his child would be next in line regardless of age.

RIP high sparrows

He might die anyway because its a theory that Oberyn was poisoning Tywin so if Tywin dies every Lannister is in danger and everybody hated Joffrey so in one way or another we will ended dying..Also Tyrion didnt meet Dany and maybe she ended dying too.

if goffree lives it would get to point where a huge linch mop turns up to George r r martins house

I don't think Jeoffrey would be a better person, not even a little bit better. He liked pleasing Margaery but i think that as soon as she did something that pissed him he would have started mistreating her too.

I don't think Joffrey ever would have completely changed, but he might have been somewhat better.

The most Noteable thing I can think of that would have chained from this is Sansa leaving and joining Jon to take back the North. But Petyr Baelish might have still tried to take her away. Also in both the books and the show Oberyn wanted to face the mountain so he might still end up fighting him. Like what if Oberyn succeeds in poisoning Tywin he gets accused faces off against the mountain in a trial by combat and Cerci has Tyrion imprisoned for conspiring with Oberyn when she really is just upset about him sending Myrcella away to Dorne which is hostile now because of what happened to Oberyn. Then everything will just line back up except Joffrey will still be alive.

I have some what is ideas 1. What if Elia, her children, and Rhaegar faked their deaths? 2. What if Viserys married some wealthy common girl? 3. What if Tyrion voluntarily disown himself from the Lannister family name? X. What if Tyrion married Tysha in advance in secret and has children with her?

imagine if little finger was never born. the only threat would be the white walkers.

Please do, "What if Oberyn won the Trial by Combat?"

What if Tyrion was actually 4 kilometers tall and reached all the way up to stratosphere where there is little to no oxygen so he would have to walk like a bear or just lie down on his stomach?

What about if Oberyn was actually poisoning Tywin like some fan theories say? I can't remember which poison, but it was mentioned at Tyrion's trial by Pycelle, one of the few to actually get a description - from the sounds of it, death by constipation. And Tywin had some constipation issues when Tyrion killed him. Eh? Possible?

There is no way that Tywin would allow Joffrey to reach his majority and run Westeros into the toilet.

off the top of my head ... What if oberyn wins against the mountain?. 2. What if the hound beats Brienne? What if the hound beats the mountain and the tourney of the hand in S1 at the Tourn of the hand? What if Mirri maz Duhr brings Drogo back for real? What hAppened if Talissa wasn't at the red wedding and baby Ned is born? What if Bran had been killed by Stiv or the assassin? What if Robert killed the boat before being gorged... sorry, love your videos and I'm a little drunk and just thinking of stuff. let me know if any are even credible

the nord storyline would change quite a bite too

If we hadn't of heard the admittance, we would still be guessing who his killer was. So it would be way too hard to predict his death in a future moment after his actual death and who and how. PS I would like to see what seasons 5 and 6 would have been like if the Sparrow never gained control of things.

Obryns head went pop goes the weasel

Cersi probably would have focused on her future grandchild(ren) and any power she can get her hands on. Also she still has Jamie.

I think Tyrian and Sansa would have left eventually because Joffrey threatened to kill him and has humiliated him in the past. I think he would have left with Sansa, but Sansa would have ditched Tyrian and ran away on horseback to her aunt and would have at some point ran into the Hound, maybe? maybe not. Tyrian would have realized how many enemies he had and probably would have left to seek Danarys or something.

Seeing as Joffrey actually had the forsight to consider Danny's dragons a potential threat (unlike Tywin) And how spoiling for a fight he was, I think he probably would have agreed to help fith the wight walkers, inlike cersei. He also probably would have gloated a lot when danny arrived.

I don't think margaery would be beaten, joffrey really likes her

Here's what I think: - tyrion will be sentenced to death cause it just pleases Joffrey but like in the original story, jamie free tyrion and send him to essos later join dany. - cercei will marry someone, tywin knows about the rumor about her and jamie, twyin will do anything to keep the disgraceful rumor off chart. - later tommen Will be sent to castely rock to be the warden of west.

I think you are giving Margarey too much credit. Remember in Joffrey had put up a nice guy act when he met Sansa, with only a few incidents showing his true nature before he was just full on the real Joffrey we know and hate. I feel like Margarey would have made a mistake at one point, she's playing with fire. Once she does, Joffrey will indeed become her nightmare. At that point Olenna would 100% certainly strike again.

There was a theory that Tywin was being poisoned slowly and couldnt take a dump well. So he would have died anyways, crossbow or not.

What if Sam didn't leave for Oldtown, and stayed at Castle Black for the mutiny?

Interestingly, it might improve things for the Long Night. Instead of showing *Cersei* the White Walker, they would be showing it to Joffrey and Tywin, who would absolutely be there as Hand of the King. Joffrey loves throwing military might at things, and there's no way Tywin isn't seeing that the whole war needs to be put on pause to higher priorities. He would likely somehow manage to send Tyrion along to the North (Hey, if we can manage to get the dwarf dead, he can then have Jaime recalled from the Kingsguard to take his place as heir). Overall, this markedly changes the entire ending of the series. Dany has a problem now. Without the constant instability of the Seven Kingdoms, her fight to secure Westeros is going to be vastly harder, especially after losses during The Long Night. Cersei never executes Missandei, because even if she got taken hostage, Tywin's ABSOLUTELY using her for a bargaining chip, so he needs Missandei alive.

What if Lancel blew out ze candles under ze great sept before they burned down?

He would figure out at least 4 more ways to wear that crown like an asshole.