When it comes to Baelish as king, an old quote comes to mind. That if he found himself a king, he'd want to be an Emperor. If he was Emperor, he'd want to be a god. nothing would be enough

Petyr would definitely go the Tokugawa route and make sure he's the last nobody able to become somebody

*Littlefinger becomes ruler of Westeros* "Now what?" Littlefinger: "I don't know, I never thought I'd get this far."

Time to see how Walder Frey would turn out as king of the Iron Throne

I feel like as soon as he’d get it, he wouldn’t know what to do with it

He would try to create more ''chaos'' between great houses as he already did to keep his crown, if other great houses are in conflict, it would be easier for him to control them. He could end the conflicts that he secretly started so he would look like hero and saviour of the kingdom.

Littlefinger is a bird who tries to find the highest tree or branch to perch but doesn’t know how to build his nest. He can in the modern age but he is unfortunately born in the medieval age of Westeros.

He doesn't really hold capital or meritocracy as an ideal, just a means to an end. He'd be the first to pull the ladder up behind him, so to speak, and would take action to thwart any other powerful merchants who want to follow in his footsteps.

What if Ned actually didn't make the same mistakes in Canon. An was a bit more pragmatic in politics and knows when to and i quote *(Put his honor aside)* like say not tell Cersei he knows about her, the kids and Jaime and tell her to run for it, cause he plans to tell Robert.

Chaos is a ladder….to the iron throne -Littlefinger….probably

I could see him slowly setting up a Oligarchic style system. Kind of like the Medieval Republics (not in the modern sense) in Italy or Germany.

He actually had a ton of privilege. Being a ward of river run due to his father, or grandfather I forget, befriending Hoster Tully gave him the Lisa connection which he used to get as far as he got.

A Common little Finger W… until he was replaced with a faceless man in the show

He could raise the crowns army. Joffrey mentioned the idea and seeing how crucial the Lannister army was in the war of the five kings acting as de facto crown's army. He may want to have a system of defence in the case of any uprising. He could recruit high ranking officers from the lower lords pulling some power from the high lords and ensuring loyalty of the officers. That would centralise power in the hands of the crown while "flattening" the structure of the feudal system.

I think it would literally be like Qarth, prosperous trading nation with naked left tit and porn walls. Also in the books it is described how well he invested money and placed his own men everywhere, so even Tyrion with power could not get rid of him.

He's basically Sheev Palpatine of Game of Throne in this scenario

Loved the Edward Longshanks cameo

The thought of little finger becoming king has never came to mind not even for a second until now lmao

What if Theon escaped winter fell during Ramsey siege and took the black, I would expecially with the ANNOYING HORN BLOWER!

I’ve mentioned this over in the discord but I think realistically the closest little finger can get to sitting on the throne would be to become hand of the king. Which I remember hearing Jaime thought he would be one of the best options to be Tommens hand. With Kevin dead he and Mace Tyrell must be the only real options for hand of the king and we all know that Ceresi is no big fan of the Tyrells. I don’t know if little finger would take the offer or not it’s hard to say he’s probably decently content in the Vale. Awesome video as always from you guys!

Peter is smart to not be big. He would pull a Tywin and be the shadow king whos in charge of the crowned king and has more power than him. He knows he’s not of a good house and he knees being a king puts a target on his back. Also he has someone to blame. If everyone starts getting mad at the “king” he’ll replace him and reset everyone’s rage. realistically Peter is just Tywin but more smarter and doesn’t have the crutch of improving his family name. if Peter was from a powerful house like Lannister or Tully than he’d be more ruthless than Tywin.

It is actually an interesting idea, I would definitely like to see one for Stannis.

LOTR's Theory Idea: what would have happened if different decisions were made at the council of Elrond(Sending the ring west, Giving it to Tom Bombadil, Giving it to Aragorn)

Love the little banter at the beginning of these 😊

Westaros would turn more into a absolute monarchy then it is now

Something that would be reale nice were a Video on wath happened If Ned would be the Regent Like Robert wanted him to ne.

Great video, as always, honestly you are up their as my favourite game of thrones channels, you and alt shift x are legendary. You have to do a stannis video

Must admit - very interesting video format. I'd like to see more. Especially as I really enjoy the 'how would this faction win...' series

Littlefinger is the Mr. House of Westeros

Omg yes please do The Mannis!! Would love to see how his court regards the small folk

This video is great and spot on.

definitely a great idea! Do one for Ygritte on the Iron Throne next

Great video!!! I think it would be really interesting to take a look at who would be effective rulers of the realm (Tywin, Olenna, Catelyn, etc), who would be bad (Robert, Cersei, Avalon Greyjoy, etc) and those who would be hard to say (Danaerys Targaryen being a prime example with her questionable job running Mereen but potential to learn and improve). One video for each in depth would be my preference but I could see doing a top 3 type of thing 😁

to be fair to George it is extremely hard to produce high quality writing and writing can easily take years to accomplish. its easy for consumers to consume but for writers it can be very Mentally challenging and Taxing to create a high quality story you can theorize about. and sometimes you do need a period of time to "Recover" i would not be surprised if it took five more years for George to release more content. dont forget that it is very mentally taxing to create high quality content. J.R.R Tolkien dedicated his life to his work and upon his death even considered his work unfinished. that is a massive dedication

Having only watched the show....yeah Peter never really wants to rule. He wants to smash Cat. He removes the obstacles that prevent him from doing so only to get her killed in the process. He then moves his desires to Sansa, avenges Cat, and removes his obsticles to smash her. Ignoring the DnD whole sale seasons this is what he wants and cares nothing for anything else. His thirst for power is a means to an end.

Hmmmm. He is competent and skilful in terms of what he can do. I think he would in theory be capable of being a decent king in terms of his abilities. However I do not think he would be a good king for 2 reasons. First, he has a personality that would prevent him from creating genuine allies which will limit his ability to have backing for any changes he wants. This would lead him to needing to spend a fair bit of time shutting down rivalries and so on. Secondly, he has no actual intention or desire to do good things. He would not work to benefit the people. They do not matter anything to him except as pawns. I think my thoughts are he is excellent at playing the game of thrones and could become a ruler fairly skilfully. However he does not have the traits to be a good ruler for the kingdom. Edit: Second thought - I never get the sense from him that he is interested in any type of real egalitarianism. He only really cares about being in charge himself not the system itself. I get the idea is that this is the better thought for the video but I don't buy it for Littlefinger.

If this is a type of video you'll want to keep doing, I'd love to eventually see you discuss what characters like Ned or Tyrion would be like as king 😊

How would jon snow…stark…Targaryen…do as king?

I'd say he'd be a fairly benevolent leader. His smallfolk on the Fingers which is the piece of land he actually rules all seem to like him.

THE SUN NEVER SETS ON THE BAELISH EMPIRE 🐦🐦🐦🐦🐦

The Little finger/Bron editors note makes me wonder, why didn't Peter have a chief goon?

Great ideas enjoy this. Curious on would varys not be a factor or obstacle. I think in order to get varys on side littlefinger would need to share some of his plan but this not in nature as like people to guess his true nature that way able change sides or back side that suits his plan. Varys is a factor as equally plays the game and wouldn't necessary go along with littlefinger puppet proxy in charge unless it suit varys as well.

If Tywin is a lion, fierce and intimidating, Littlefinger is a Jackal - looks friendly, almost like a dog, but will bite you as soon as you turn your back.

this would be a dope series ngl

What if Ned took little fingers offer

Brothels on every corner!

Awesome video

to support the idea of what Baelish is up to keep in mind, Baelish knows you can't really buy a man with gold. Now look at the people he trusts, as much as he trusts anyone. Look at how the men he put in the treasury department are described. Merchants, sons of minor lords, hedge knights. All of low birth all out performing the highborn men they replaced. Look at the Kettlebacks. Three goons he tricks Tyrion into hiring to spy on Cersei so he can spy on them both. Their dad is his Castlelain. Not hard to imagine he has known those guys his whole life. Lothar Brune, a very capable hedge knight who is Sansa's handler. And it can not be stressed how traumatic the duel with Brandon was. He almost died with the physical, mental, and emotional scars that persist to this day. I think Baelish is the red flag of any idea this is a story that ends in any kind of democracy... if it was... a guy like him would be the hero of the story. Not the hidden prince. Not a mother of dragons. Not the dwarf son of the most powerful guy in the land. It would be Baelish, Dunk, and Bronn. Or at least people like them.

I do find it odd that as a complex as a character littlefinger is in the books we never actually know any of his plans of what he'd do if he were to become king, all we know is that he wants to be king

13:19 is how Olenna would deal with Littlefinger

So the conclusion i got from this video: Westeros becomes the UK LETSFUCKINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I personally think that Littlefinger wants to be the lord of the vale, the riverlands and the north. With fAegon as king, I honestly think he would pledge himself to him and solidify rule over the val, riverlands and the north. If I;m honest, I want littlefinger to succeed, then lose the north with the return of Rickon and Sansa's new skills, then losing the vale as Robin survives, and then keep the riverlands.

On Baelish end goal. End of his ladder. Littlefinger search of power is to ensure he can never be felt weak ever again. Remember that Nate Brother beat Littlefinger when he was younger. He made him feel small. Weak. Baelish believes that by gaining power he can prevent himself from feeling this ever again. It drives him.

Great topic, it caught my attention immediately. My favorite person to sit on the throne would have been Olenna Tyrell. She’d be perfect. Robert’s fear was actually leading so fear paralyzed him and he fell. LF is a manipulator so that’ll likely be his downfall.

A very inquisitive video indeed🫡

If I were Little Finger I would probably have loyalists and mercenaries train a national army while the reforms are underway. The hope is that he’d live long enough to break the nobility, but not so long that he doesn’t lock in the title of Emperor like Rome did after the fall of the Republic

Could someone please tell me what show or film 15:33 is from. Thank you.

So Littlefinger is a medieval version of Mr. House?

Am I crazy, I just feel like the second he got that far he'd burn out or something because he achieved this "impossible" dream he'd been striving for for a decade and a half straight. He also clearly is already more unstable than he seems judging by his feelings about the women in his life. I'm not saying he'd have a full crisis, but that he'd I'm just crash, at least for a while. At the very least he'd lose interest for the most part. I'm not sure he could honestly justify expanding westeros overseas as being worth the trouble for instance

How the realm looks under Baelish? A Hoe House.

I think Little Finger would be quite competent honestly. The only problem is he lacks the charisma to be a truly great leader so he would need a loyal right hand to serve as his main general, who his troops could rally behind. Someone honest and unambitious. Everyone else could in all likelihood be bought off in one way or another.

my own theory is that Little finger hired the faceless men to kill the starks. Like i think its obvious but, everyone else missed it. 1. Faceless men are first brought up by Ned, and little finger tells him all about them right down to how much they cost to kill a high lord. guys sometimes the dude who knows the cost of the whores is the guy buying whores. 2. Little finger says correctly that faceless men are crazy expensive they would cost an entire kingdom. Hes the mast of coin, and some how the realm is 'a kingdom in debt'. 3. in book 3 we find out that Little Finger has been embezzling the kingdoms money when half the jailers he staffs dont even exist. 4. theres only a hand full of people who could have possibly come up with this amount of money like in the entire kingdom 30. 7 high lords their master of coins, a few of the lesser rich houses like redwine or hightower, and perhaps at a stretch some rich traders like the Acinet Guild of Splicers. 5. 3 faceless men(biter and rouge) were caught in the black cells at the start of book 2. theirs only so many people clever enough to trap them, and it was most likely the person who knew the name of person they were to kill. who ever little finger wanted dead he no longer wanted dead. I think I know who that is. 6. Little finger wants someone dead in book 1 but theres no way he can kill him. When you put it all together theres nobody else it could have been. I also have a firm idea of who he wanted dead, and what his plan was.

What if the Vale joined Robb Stark in the WoTFK

Smashing Sansa is a strategic way to get the north on his side especially if he revealed that he saved her from jofrey

Littlefinger wouldn’t overturn feudalism but he’d complicate taxation and public works to the point that the game became completely unplayable for almost anyone who wasn’t both incredibly wealthy and incredibly shrewd. He’d force his lords to spend money while hobbling their ability to collect more from the peasants with reforms. Fine them for breaches of the peace on their lands, then secretly support the iron born and the brotherhood without banners. Don’t let them punish the farmers too harshly, but demand they store up more food for winter. Monopolize money lending thru the iron throne- you can’t borrow from the Lannisters, I will borrow from the Lannisters and you will borrow from me. But don’t corner them- don’t try to take away their castle or empty their granaries- have them send a small contingent- maybe 5 or 10% of their men at arms to The Wall to satisfy their debts. It’s only a small decrease in their ability to make war… for now. And since you can’t afford do all of the things I require for stability of the realm, send me some of your less productive or less ruly peasants for service in Kings Landing… I promise not to raise a royal army of what are effectively slave soldiers from them… and I definitely won’t command their loyalty by reminding them that you threw them out of their home and that I took them in and gave them a way to live that didn’t involve sending their sister to the brothel. By the end of winter King’s Landing boasts the largest army in the kingdoms, everyone else is weaker, the poor lords are grateful to King Littlefinger for not making them pay in gold, the rich lords have a sunk cost that they can’t simply come and take back against the huge Royal army, and the last hanging chad is that all of this centrally controlled manpower requires a lot of food and the crown is in debt- so you play the Tyrells against the Lannisters and support the Tyrells to cut the throne’s debt in half while keeping the food flowing. And while you’re at it, time to resolve that issue of you secretly having the iron born plunder your own kingdoms to bankrupt lords by turning them privateer and sending them to reave off of other continents.

Everything would be on fire

I always assumed little finger meant to ride his chaos to the top, I mean the ladder metaphor implies climbing all the way. Besides he was always perfectly happy to burn everything down and scrape something out of the ashes. Once Robert took the throne the line of succession was tenuous at best, the war of the five kings made it worse and the Lannisters will get what’s coming to them eventually. So like if all five kings plus the lannisters are gone who could stop a resurgent little finger? With a big enough army and the entire continent in ruined he could theoretically be king of the ashes and would likely be fine with that trade. A guy like that places little value on actual physical things, money and cities and all the pretty things a kingdom has means nothing to someone like that. He’s kinda like Vergil from DMC, a guy who will burn the Forrest just to get a better look at the trees.

What would Hodor be like as king?

He would cause chaos and people wouldn’t stand for it. There would be war and death he would destroy everything wand he would watch the world burn

He'd be a better king than most the potential candidates in the books (an ancient malevolent entity capable of changing bodies and traveling through time which create the time loop they are in inhabiting Bran's body, the crazy dragon lady, Cersei (another crazy cruel lady), the too naive currently dead Jon, the dude being manipulated by the red priestes, the fake Aegon,...) Or the one they got in the show aka an ancient malevolent entity capable of changing bodies and traveling through time which create the time loop they are in inhabiting Bran's body Like he's not a good guy nor would they become an utopic empire but the alternatives would be even worse.

I think Littlefinger would actually be a decent ruler (probably as hand of king for a weak king like Tommen or Robyn). He’s smart, good with money, ruthless against enemies. A choirboy makes a poor Hand (see Ned). Tywin was actually a very good Hand for 20 years. I doubt Littlefinger would try to overthrow the nobility. Once he was in charge I think he’d be quite happy with the system (especially if got Sansa to marry him). He’s not a champion of the people he’s only in it for himself. But he would be a better ruler then Joffrey, Robert, or the Mad king (a low bar admittedly).

Yes this is what I needed it sure took you long enough give me more content quicker if you can’t make longer videos

Even though Littlefinger is evil kinda want him to win after all stuff he's went through to gain power anyway great video as always

Thats the first time ever i saw anyone think littlefinger wanna make any societal change in westeros lol

What would daemon be like as King?

Def need to make a seris otta this. I also think Stannis for example wouldn't be that "uncompetent", when it comes to politics/diplomacy etc. as people seem to think due to his uncompomising nature. Would like to see it for all the 5 king's + Dany/Jon

LF has an uncanny resemblance to Hitler in the thumbnail

CHADMURE King has to be the next one

There's no proof that Baelish feels any sort of kinship with common folk. He certainly hasn't done a thing that could be viewed as altruistic for them. It is all about him. He doesn't want to overthrow the old system. It works perfectly fine for him. He just feels personally slighted by the people in charge of it. He's a narcissist settling his gripes. At most, he would expand the bureaucracy so he can fill the spots with people loyal to him. So, the noble houses can have their titles and names, he'll have the true power. He would be more of a Cardinal Richlieu type. The power behind the throne. King in everything but name. He probably wants Sansa as queen so he can knock her up and know secretly it is his bloodline ruling Westeros.

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What would the Tyrells be like as the ruling family of Westeros?

This video is good, but we all know that everyone wants to see how would Craster rule westeros

Personally, I lean Kleptocracy. Not because I think Littlefinger lacks any skills but because I think he doesn't want anyone as skilled as himself in government. I don't doubt he'd destroy the nobility if he could, but more as revenge for his perceived lack of privilege rather than any idealistic meritocracy in mind. In his mind, he'd rather be the only smart guy in the room, and any improvements to Westeros or its people would be purely coincidental, after all what have they ever done for him?

I don’t think it would end well for him if he did. He’s really more of a person operating behind the curtain instead riding a horse in shining armor.

What if Rhaegar rebelled against his fathers cruelty at the Tourney of Harrenhal?

What would little finger be like if he was in Lord of the rings

He craves power. He would play the houses against each other to weaken/absorb their authority. He would pathology strive for a fascist dictatorship grinding those he rules over into progressively worsening conditions. Eventually the 7 kingdoms would be a husk where a small number of minions repress a huge number of the downtrodden. Then he would die leaving an incredible power vacuum that would take generations to stabilise.

What if Robb Stark became King in the North/'Trident gained independence. What would the north/Trident look like?

He would let the world burn if he could be king of the ashes

How Ned Stark be like as the king?

I don't think Littlefinger had such a far-reaching vision. He definitely had a vision with himself at the top, but I don't think he'd ever aim for social reform or empowering others to follow the same path, especially since they would be his competition later on.

I think you're missing the point if you think Baelish would have enough principles to have an ideology. He's not emotionless, but he's defined by his selfishness more than anything else.

I do t see Technologies advancing very far in this world due to the seasons. Yes they have long summers but they have equally long winter's meaning more time and labor is spent in agriculture and trying to survive.

So like Palpatine for Westeros?

What if Ned had gone with Renly to tell Stannis the truth?

In terms of his intentions, as cool of an idea it is to think that Littlefinger wants to bring the feudal system in favor of a capitalist meritocracy is, I don't think it jives with his role in the story. To me, its clear that Littlefinger's role in the story is largely meant to be Sansa's guide to politics and her primary obstacle to overthrow so she can take her place on the Westerosi political stage as a key power player (I personally think her story ends with her as the Lady of Winterfell and/or the Trident but I can be persuaded as to what exact role she'll have in the end). So, if Littlefinger has this motivation, how does that help Sansa's narrative to that end? I suppose it could become her motivation at the end of the story but I think most people would find an ending where the hero embraces the villain's ideology that inspired said villain to kill hero's family in significant numbers. TLDR: I think it just complicates the story in ways that don't really say anything new and simply making his aim be becoming the most powerful person in westeros largely would have the same effect with less problems for GRRM. And at this late in the game, GRRM doesn't need more complications.

Look at the bright side, a brothal on every corner 😉.

he doesn't instill loyalty other than Lysa and Robin Aryn $ only goes so far, ask Bronn

I would love to see Robb as king in the north and the river lands after the war of the five kings

He would be a king but with little fingers....