How are they annoying? They were fine lmao

@@saintco3pcs2m95 Same here they regular

@@jaygooese4242 at least you didnt fall for this male social hate safety opinion bro, as an actual man always think if u were in that situation would u stay say the same things when the safety or place of privelage isnt with you anymore? You only say this thing because you dont face the consequences of it being said or the ideology behind it, stay with this mindset and I promise you the level of mental strength you are on compared to others will be incomprehensible and not in a special “oh im smarter and more woke than everyone” but in the fact you can handle truth and not be a hypocrite at the simplest terms always, you will be ahead by such a long way in mental toughness, in what a real man is

@@saintco3pcs2m95 question what was "Everything Wrong with" 1st video how it all beings?

@@saintco3pcs2m95 LMAO LMAO LMAO no they are insufferable, I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn right now, I love the gameplay, but I can't bare listen to the dialogue, the main character and her story mean nothing to me, and I'm someone who love playing as the female protagonist ever since the first game I ever played which is Tomb raider 1996

yep, the cringe doses are so high above the lethal threshold that just looking at it through a screen is enough to effect me !

I strongly disagree, for Forspoken *looks so* plain, "by the numbers," "going through the motions," and like an A.I. wrote it that "cringe" sounds too interesting to describe it with.

If you're going to use inverted commas just don't use that word. It's fucking annoying.

Don't play FE Engage. You'll overdose within minutes.

Yes....yes it is....

Atomic Heart pulled a similar twist too. But I still can't quite figure out what accent Charles had

@@sogeking4958 Atomic Hearts twist was closer to Forespoken, you know, with the exact same unlikeable asshole protagonist and a talking arm apparel who is revealed to be evil and transforms into a faceless humanoid monster.

Alvis from Xenoblade Chronicles joins the party.

@@jakespacepiratee3740 My problem with P-3 was more that he was the very definition of Naive meathead. He utterly refused to believe that his boss could be a badguy and was manipulating him even as the evidence piled up. I didn't see Charles as the villain at first because of this. I just saw him as someone who was trying to explain to P-3 that not everything is at is seems and try to apply a little critical thinking to the situation. It really irked me on how blindly loyal P-3 was.

@@nendymion For a soldier with brain damage makes sense. But he does show intelligence in the good ending.

best part haha

That and there was little character development. Frey is an asshole up till the exposition dump and now all of a sudden cuz her mom did in fact love her she's a better person? It's INCREDIBLY shallow.

Yep

@@moonlitxangel5771 Yeah, her character literally goes from "Nobody loves me, Fuck Everybody Else!" to "My mommy loves me, I'm off to save the world."

Just found your channel few days ago and forspoken came to mind for wanting to see a game sins on. Thanks for the video keep it up

@@rainyjay8156 thanks man, a lot went into it so I’m glad you liked it. Stayed tuned for more ! 😊

I appreciate the glass half full view, but I can only think of the multitude of games that came before and fit that description to a T as well.

"FORSPOKEN. YIIK. *NEVER* be the third on this list."

You are never lonely Mr.Barnes, I will always be there for you.

@@BoleDaPole um, thanks. The thought I'd appreciated

​@@BoleDaPole I've been searching for this comment for months to apologise for my answer; I can see what you said came from a place of respect and compassion. I'm sorry I wasn't able to give a better answer the first time. But thank you.

@@Tarotb Really, that's what you see? A random stranger that you don't know and that you'll never interact with again claiming to be always there for you is not respectful or compassionate - that person is taking the piss out of you. Are you just returning the favor and delivering a snarky comment... after 8 months apparently? Or are you really so dumb to think that KrolKi here cares for you at all? Saying something like that to a depressed person and not following up on it means the only thing they care for is feeling proud of themselves for the oh so good deed they did and they don't give a shit that they did absolutely nothing to actually help. I'm suffering from depressions, too, btw, but I don't lie to myself and I don't believe what people say just to shut me up, because they don't want to listen to my problems. It's true that somewhere someone will be there for you, but it's certainly not anyone or the first person you meet.

@@VisualGourmet hi and thanks for your opinion; I'm sorry you also suffer from depression. I did have a longer answer but it boils down to two possibilities: either I thanked someone for trying to help me, which I can see no negative to, or I made someone I'll never interact with again smirk, in which case, so what? A few seconds of effort seemed a worthwhile investment for the possibility of repaying a kindness.

That seems to mostly show up in Japanese fiction for what I noticed.

not short retrd

@@pb-squiddy self report about not getting jokes

@@zbear404 whats the joke?

@@zbear404 exactly nothin was funny

At this point, they should start executing the worst of the worst criminals. It’s not the best solution, I know, but it’s something.

@@IamaPERSON Stupidest comment on earth. Sounds wishy washy until you remember innocent people have been put on death row for years, and killed. Under this justice system, there's a high chance you'll be putting some framed person to death.

Wow. You are definitely not from New York if you think that's true. it's the opposite. people are being held in Rikers without trial in such horrible conditions they are getting sick and dying there.

@@IamaPERSON holy shit this is a horrible thing to even think.

@@JTGallant well, what’s your idea, then?

The Company that made Forespoken shut down, and along with being a laughing stock to the general public…no sequel.

@@jakespacepiratee3740 That sucks. There is DLC coming out for it though. A trailer dropped a while ago.

I'm not sure why someone would want to see a sequel to such a dumpster fire as Forspoken. The game is uninspired, the dialogue is absolute cringe and the story is godawful, why would we need a continuation of something that's been proven to be terrible on so many levels? It honestly sounds like these people are having a buyer's remorse effect after realizing they've dropped $60 on a yet another terrible AAA release. I don't even see any potential in any of it's gameplay, combat and world design. Forspoken can be summarized as a third person shooter with magical pellets instead of guns and bullets with a large, barren and pointless world to run around from point A to point B in and shallow game-play mechanics which all in the end when combined result in an awful mess that actively makes you want to stop playing it and go play actual good games instead. Whatever redeemable qualities this game might have had were already realized years and years ago from far better games, so there's no point in trying to push a block figure into a circle hole when that clearly doesn't work out well at all.

​@@superplayerex2431 When you see a car crash, don't you want to take a peek at the aftermath?

@@0uttaS1TE The car crash argument doesn't work when compared with video games, because with car crashes there's always a chance you could probably save someone's life before it's too late if the crash is recent. There's no one to save after a video game has turned out to be terrible, and a failed video game is nothing but that in the end. A tale of disappointment. Forspoken will be forgotten by the time the next year comes around, similar to how everyone has already forgotten about the train wreck that was the awful Saints Row reboot, and a few years before that Balan Wonderworld. Because terrible video games are terrible, and rarely anything else. Especially in these turbulent days of modern gaming.

I think the devs ran out of time to make an Olas fight and had her die to avoid it. It really sucks because the ads gave the impression Frey was going to fight all the Tantas and the story only has the player fight half of them (the dragon doesn't count). It's like if a Final Fantasy game decided to go into the endgame after you get the fire and water crystals. The expected experience is literally cut in half.

My theory is that Earth Humans Are Special, which is why Frey, a hybrid, is extra special and resists the break because... Magic doesn't work on Earth or something.

He did say that they always borrowed ideas from Star Wars and Frey was like Rey. Most of what you said applies to Rey as well. She literally never was taught to use the Force and could use it incredibly well instinctively unlike ya know someone like Anakin whose father was the Force and he had to learn to use it aside from it augmenting his reflexes passively.

They somehow got Amy Hennig to cowrite this crap. From Legacy of Kain and Uncharted to this.

@@xaviertsun5004 i think this is actually the worst part. That she was proud of doing this.

Actually he explained in a podcast that he was only involved at the start of development, and SE threw out all of his work. So he didn't actually write any of the finished game.

​@IESUproductions Yeah, that's kinda what I thought. And for Amy, this definitely feels like a paycheck gig. Sometimes you gotta work on guff to keep the lights on.

To be fair the first story he wrote for the game could of been art & they scrapped it and told him to redo it from the beginning. Just because it didn't match up whatever the Developers were making.

Ikr the writing is straight trash 😂.

I played this got about an hour maybe 2 hours in and stopped because of how horrible it was gameplay and writing. Then after about 2 days i thought “im gunna play this as if its an ironic comedy.” And it helped me finish the game.

I remember when Hi-Fi Rush came out a certain KZfaqr whom I will not name (Cosmonaut Variety Hour) had the audacity to say that Hi-Fi Rush had the same bad dialogue just as Forspoken and ngl that was probably one of the worst takes I've heard from him in since he made that JoJo video

What's funny is, the game was written by one of the supposed best writers in the industry, Amy Hennig who did all the Uncharted games and Legacy of Kain. It's like when you find out Kevin Feige really didn't do anything to help the MCU become successful and it was all secretly James Gunn, the whole time.

​@@MarvinPowell1Oh thank God for a while I thought it was written by one of Square Enix's writer's I knew they couldn't write anything this cringe worthy.

I mean that game is better written with actual branching narrative choices.

@@History_PodcastFinalAssignment Narrative choices that mean jack shit and are inconsistent with each other if you decide to switch paths mid playthrough. Also, there's a canonical final route that you get after completing the non canon routes. Forspoken is a dogshit game for sure, but holy hell do NOT try to prop up Shadow the Hedgehog as if it did anything better at all.

"Where is that DAMN f*cking dragon at?" - Frey the Hedgehog

@@Kingdom850 I mean it was fun and silly in a self-indulgent 2000 edgy furry fanfic way.

@@Kingdom850 Shadow’s gameplay is better than Forspokens and thats not even debatable

Furthermore, she got ALL the powers of the Tantas............ Why doesn't she just open a fucking portal back home?! That was LITERALLY the most significant power of her mother! Cuff can do it too, and she's apparently "tamed" him now, so why doesn't she just go and get her fucking cat!? Her mother WENT to Earth long enough to meet and then fuck some guy, then she left back to Athia. So it's not like going to Earth means getting cut off from Athia, she can literally jump back and forth AT WILL.

Youth dialogue actually sounds like this though. It's just when it gets put on full display for how bad it is everyone says its bad writing. No the youth of today just speak very poorly.

@@demonintellect9834 Not really. I’m 30 and all of her dialogue in this game sounds like crap people said 15 years ago and HEAVILY exaggerated

@@GriffinatorOriginal As someone who is also 30. No. The shit we said 15 years ago was definitely bad but nowhere near as bad as the current youth.

@@demonintellect9834 I guess we’re lucky the dialogue wasn’t more like “Yo off top I can think of ten reasons why I’m the chosen one no cap. I be puttin people on t-shirts ya feel me? Max rizz all biz. Stay up homie.” I’m not sure any of that made sense. Kinda made it up as I went.

@@GriffinatorOriginal I can't tell if it was real or not. I am a manager at a warehouse and I have a lot of 18-24 year olds that work under me and i seriously sometimes do not understand what they just said because 50% of the sentence was in meme speak. I usually have to ask them to repeat it in old person speak.

Life is Strange's climax was the easiest decision in the game because of how annoying Chloe is throughout the game.

I don’t know what the writers wanted players to like about her. Like Chloe, her defining characteristic is that she’s headstrong. But for that trait to work, the setting needs to be overwhelmingly antagonistic and morally ambiguous to justify it. Neither New York nor the fantasy world have that as Frey always seems to hold more cards then the narrative suggests. As a result, Frey ends up looking too selfish, high-strung, and bitter to find charming.

Consider that both Life is Strange and Forespoken were published by SquareEnix. I wonder what is their criteria for who to fund/publish?

I must be the only one who liked chloe... (since its a game and I wanted the Prescotts to feckin die, I chose you-know-what option).

Life is Strange 2 was better despite the problems at least the story was believable and made you sympathize with almost every character and their situation.

I don't even buy that she cares for her cat, because it was used as a contrived crutch for Frey to earn pity points (and fail) and is never mentioned again until the ending. (Well she does mention Homer several times, but again, as to earn pity points)

The problem is they messed up Weiss in the translation, they totally changed his personality.

“Gotta find Homer first!”

Even the Cat agrees.

I agree. It's definitely... one of the games of all time.

I don't even think you can call this a game...it's one of the media of all time

this game feels like a student indie project you find on steam, cosplaying a tripple A game. This game is the definition of early 2000s double A storeshelf filler.

This can't be a real line in the game, come on...

Imagine writing two dead overdone jokes in a single comment.

They say the first story for the Game was bad that they had to scrap it only to deliver this.

isn't Atomic Heart an indie or double A game?

@@giannis_tar It started as Indie before recieving funding boosting it up to double A. In concept.

@@jakespacepiratee3740 so I guess still not a 100 million dumpster fire. BTW OP, if you're reading this, there is no actual evidence Forspoken cost 100+ million. It was just one of the writers who claimed so, but it is not up to them to know or disclose that amount.

@@giannis_tar Still got the AAA treatment, was charged for $70 US, and was from one of the industry giants, Square Enix, though.

@@MarvinPowell1 oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I think the price was absolutely egregious, and I'm glad it bombed

Consider that Atomic Heart could be forgiven, because russian game industry lives off of cheap ripoffs, which makes AH kind of a breakthrough, while there is absolutely no forgiveness to SquareEnix for releasing *this!*

Yeah, throughout the game I was wishing Frey would get hit by a truck. 😆

Idk where you got that impression from. To me, it was less "bootstraps" & more "quit thinking you're entitled to other people's shit & you can say & do whatever you want regardless of how it affects others, just because you have a sad backstory." Frey is literally a character who gets nothing but break after break, and she does nothing but treat everyone who gave her those breaks like garbage. Hell, you can make a case that they basically turned Vambrace into a villain because he was coming off more sympathetic than the main character.

Literally neither of those things are good. The traversal literally doesn't fucking work, if you wanna see this system functioning correctly, go play Prototype. You'll find yourself not falling constantly because Frey doesn't know how to handle level geometry. And the combat is just shoot the thing to make numbers appear until it's dead over and over with ZERO depth. They didn't even give you really cool magic to spice up the make numbers appear game with. It's just the MOST generic elemental magic they could shit out really fast. It's not even visually impressive. I've seen better looking and more interesting offensive magic in Minecraft mods.

Black female*

@@strahinjagov yeah I was gonna say that but I'd get swarmed by the strange cancel culture freaks that seem to come out of nowhere 🤣

@@aurawolf2221 eh, don’t worry about them. Besides, cancel culture only has power, if you let them have it (although they occasionally get it right, every few years)

@@IamaPERSON true, very true.

I find it funny that there were 2 games in the same year that both had sentient handwear 3 if you count totk.

atomic heart i actually liked its just was too short if you arnt a lore hunter looking for every scrap of info the main story is only like 7 to 10 hours.

That was the first thing I asked when I saw her restrained after getting her powers. "Wait, why doesn't she just break this piece of wood on her arms? She JUST fought a demon bear, but she can't best WOOD? Was this game written by Shyamalan?"

So blackmail, extortion, hate crimes and vandalism are misdemeanors?

​@@PlebNCdepends on your definition of violence I suppose

​​@@PlebNCate crimes are often violent, so I don't get your point here.

@@jlev1028 because discrimination, harassment and verbal abuse are non-violent hate crimes. Often doesn't mean All

and plus, that movie is actually good.

Please make it possible. That game was a underrated masterpiece

Well, square liquidated the team that made this game shortly after it released if that tells you anything.

@@Jeezes718 It doesn't; they still have their ethics committee, the one that banned Tifa's breasts, and they're still slowly (not that slowly anymore) turning their flagship franchise into a cheap Devil May Cry knock-off. Square-Enix is ruined.

@@StupidAnon-gn8ih ruined is a major overstatement. Hack and slash games existed before dmc, calling every game that uses that model a rip off is a bit much. As much as I love turn-based rpg's they are far too restrictive with what they want to put into ff games nowadays. And this is by far not the first game square has made that uses that sort of gameplay and they have been doing fine.

@@Jeezes718 "ruined is a major overstatement." Not even close. "Hack and slash games existed before dmc, calling every game that uses that model a rip off is a bit much." I never did anything of the sort. I never said that about Darksiders, I never said that about Nioh, or many, many other games that fit within that genre. "As much as I love turn-based rpg's they are far too restrictive with what they want to put into ff games nowadays." 'What they want to put into ff games' has already been ruining Final Fantasy. You don't jettison core concepts of your flagship IP, completely rewrite the mechanics of your game, and expect to keep your core audience. "And this is by far not the first game square has made that uses that sort of gameplay and they have been doing fine." They did fine for a few games from a spin-off series. Kingdom Hearts was great, but Kingdom Hearts isn't Final Fantasy, and more importantly, _Final Fantasy isn't Devil May Cry_ , nor should it be made to in any way resemble that or any other hack-and-slash games. The last great Final Fantasy that Square-Enix produced, was Final Fantasy X. Every game after has been a mark of downward progress for the quality of the main franchise as a whole.

Stupid Anon a problem with your argument is that you aren't giving examples. You say 'what they are putting in games is ruining ff', like what? My biggest gripe as of late has been the writing, which has no baring on gameplay. So what is it that's ruining it? Also, what I meant about 'what they want to put into the game' is that as the series continues, graphics improve, and game engines become capable of more and more things gameplay wise, but, as I said turn based gameplay is restrictive, with everything games have been shown to be capable of there is no demand for a gameplay style that literally has everyone waiting their turn and selecting from a menu. The mmo style of 11 and 14 might be a better alternative, but that would reach a limited audience. Your statement that they 'jettison a core concept' fails to take into consideration the harsh truth that gamers being who they are today wouldn't buy a turn based rpg of final fantasy's scale. They made 10 main games and numerous spin off using that particular style. If they continue to do the same thing over and over indefinitely, people will grow tired of the lack of individuality and innovation. Regardless of how Final Fantasy started, Square has to make changes in order to actually sell their product because, at the end of the day, they are still a company. If no one buys their games, they don't make money. If they don't make money, they can't afford to make games. And then, instead of getting something different, you get nothing. In regards to your statement about 'the last great ff game they made' being ffx, I would disagree, ffxiv has been doing quite well, although I imagine your probably one of those people that saysbit doesn't count because it's and mmo, correct? This is not the first ff game to use this system. Just because it does doesn't mean it's becoming Devil may cry, but they still operate noticeably differently. Other ff games that use this sort of gameplay, with the exception of ffxv, have received positive reception from gamers, so your statement of them losing their core players is very much an overexaggeration. The harsh reality is fewer, and fewer games are able to successfully pull off turn based rpg gameplay, and as much as I'd like to see more if for no reason other than nostalgia, that's not happening. But that's the harsh reality. We can either accept it or be mad all the time.

Almost feels like TVTropes should rename their "Gainax Ending" trope to "Forspoken Ending".

I imagine that because the judge is the one sympathetic judge in America, she allowed the dress code violation in exchange for moving court proceedings on faster. That and as a homeless orphan she lacks formal wear so the winter hat is probably the least of the dress code problems.

Bailiff would've yanked that right off.

You mean runes on your clothes enhancing your powers? Or runes tattooed on your skin enhancing your powers? Or runes on your weapons enhancing your powers? Or runes in a menu enhancing your powers? Hooooooow is this different from other games again? They literally just give you bonuses to combat too, so it's NOT like it's actually changing anything, just making your numbers bigger. EXACTLY the same as every other game. Is it because they very slightly change a part of her character model, THAT YOU CANNOT SEE?

I do think that would make for a better video.

Whats ironic is that nobody who could potentially relate to Frey, for beign homeless, unwanted and unloved, are the exact people who could never play this game, as those homeless people obviously dont have the expensive equipment and computer programs to run this game

@@jakespacepiratee3740 truly, you think you’d try to connect to the people who actually play your game, but I guess that’s why woke games tend to suck. They’re too focused on “diversity and inclusion” that they don’t even realize who they’re making it for.

@@bravepigster Except this character would still suck if she was white. She's written poorly, her race has nothing to do with it.

@@bravepigster yeah dude, they need to only design games with self-centered edgy couch potatoes as main characters from now on

@@bravepigster Validation fail. Nothings wrong with diversity and inclusion. This games specs are just nuts.

Don't you fucking dare to compare Aqua to Rey.

@@Pikashades Just wait until it's revealed Aqua is MoM's granddaughter.

Xehanort wasn't voiced by Mark Hamill. Xehanort was voiced by Leonard Nimoy, (may he rest in peace).

@@blackcitadel9 I think Chris was talking about Master Eraqus who was voiced by Mark Hamill.

@@Pikashades huh, that I did not notice.

The bar is set so low they somehow tripped over it

5/10 at best, definitely no where near an 8/10.

Honestly, you can't blame her. I have to imagine the pitch for both this and Netflix RE would sound pretty enticing for an up and coming actress.

@@Kingdom850 oh agreed. She had no way of knowing that her career would catch fire. Also she is in that Charlie's angel reboot no one remembers

@@jameljenks2584 yup, hope she gets a better agent or just sticks to her modeling work lol

I mean, you have to imagine she must've gotten a pretty paycheck for these roles. Right? I'd do any amount of cringe if someone gave a big paycheck in return; and who knows, she might get a lucky break at one point.

@@luciusliu9417 I do hope so.

or maybe it's a reference to the joker: it's about sending a message/proving a point XD

@@derokdeathaxe6984 Gangs don't usually 'Prove a Point' by letting someone who stole from them live. It's usually exactly the opposite, you would get the money back and kill them to make an example of them.

The money bag was in a different room from the window that they wrote on, so they wouldn't have seen it.

That whole segment is fixed by just having them wake her up tapping at the sprayed window with the bag in hand. Instantly the protag is in the situation we want, needs to rescue the cat, can't worry about the money, AND has actual motivation and something to chase after plot-wise! That's actual writing work there, off the top of my head, so easy it just spilled out into the tube comments.

At least the characters of final fantasy 16 at their ages.

what's worse is that she's the best looking person in the game and she's all alone in New York. by all accounts wanting to go back to a world like that when you're in a magic world with magic powers is retarded