Game Theory: Sonic BROKE His Own Lore! (Sonic Frontiers)

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Friends, today we’re running headfirst into the world of Sonic! It’s been a while since we talked about everyone's favorite blue speed demon but today there is a good reason. The lore from the new Sonic Frontiers game has everyone up in arms, and so we’re here today to figure out the TRUTH behind the Sonic Lore!
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@tastethepainbow Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Sonic's lore is so broken that, as we speak, SEGA's hiring an entire team just to organize it all.

@federicoislab Жыл бұрын

Yep, and it seems that the first fix attempt is so strong it has pretty much broken everything before it, for the better imo (also why does everybody hate Unleashed)

@federicoislab Жыл бұрын

Yes, however you also have stuff like Tails' regression in Forces or Sonic's personality shift in Colors

@pufflord_gamesonicsoloesyo2365 Жыл бұрын

@@kian7406 This

@mrdrybonestv Жыл бұрын

They didn’t need a team just hiring me would have been fine. I was about to make the same video but matpat beat me to the punch.

@michaelcarlton1484 Жыл бұрын

@@federicoislab Sonic's personality only really changed in the various comics and cartoons. Sonic has always been rather positive and likes to set his own pace. In Colors, Sonic is much more chill compared to say, Adventure, because he's literally in a giant theme park and has matured a bit mentally after the entire Adventure Era arc he went through.

@BriteKnite501 Жыл бұрын

Fishing is literally the best "break" for a game that is focused on speed. You have to be slow and methodical with your movements. It's also an easy way to add the creature collector gameplay loop without having to create crazy looking animals on your own.

@ramonandrajo6348 Жыл бұрын

No.

@parsnipguy2986 Жыл бұрын

I just stan Brian David Gilbert and his e3 video game drinking game game

@darkkazoka122 Жыл бұрын

I'm with you. The way they implemented in this game is genius too. Being able to use the currency from fishing to get almost any in-game item.

@vesthegame1430 Жыл бұрын

@@ramonandrajo6348 Yes. Even Sonic says "I need to unwind" it's meant to be a simple fun thing. It also speeds up the requirements for stuff like memory tokens, defence and attack buffs and lost Kocos plus keys and gears. So it's not just a slow fishing mini game it's a fast progression system.

@Lectrikfro Жыл бұрын

Yup, no need to create crazy loooking animals, nature did that already. Just have to drag them from the abyss

@davidlegend6406 Жыл бұрын

Let's be honest, "No Copyright law in the Universe is gonna stop me!" Is the best out of context thing to say

@isaacvaldez4134 8 ай бұрын

Yes.

@Imalwaysoffline-rx47 5 ай бұрын

I mean he isn't wrong

@thescooshinator 4 ай бұрын

I saw this comment before the video, and I thought MatPat was gonna be the one saying that.

@phorchybug3286 3 ай бұрын

Classic 2010s goof.

@Aurora-P Жыл бұрын

I love how he refers to Flynn as the 'former writer of archie' - and not 'the writer of the idw comics', which are alive, and actually built off of the game universe with the intention of being canon.

@thanatosdriver1938 7 ай бұрын

If that was the intention then they royally messed up

@Aurora-P 7 ай бұрын

@@thanatosdriver1938 How so ? Because they've already been confirmed canon.

@yukotrey9422 Жыл бұрын

Oh I’m sorry but eggman delivered “ I hate that hedgehog” so perfect. There’s two things always certain in sonic these days: banger osts, and Mike Polluck killing his role.

@heyoitskram5748 Жыл бұрын

Mike might be the canon egg man but Alfred from the fan dubs will always be my canon eggman

@GoodlyData86596 Жыл бұрын

@@heyoitskram5748 this + the adventures of sonic the hedgehog eggman will always be my canon eggman- men? whatever (I prefer Alfred as the “for adult audiences” interpretation and the adventures of sonic the hedgehog as any other interpretations, if you were wondering)

@littlecookie366 Жыл бұрын

I have an announcement to make

@dubya13207 Жыл бұрын

Come on MatPat, you have it right there: Chaos Theory, the fourth and final channel, covering whatever topic you feel like discussing that week

@Rose-yx6jq Жыл бұрын

Given it doesn't fit on the other three.

@micheldenostredame8921 Жыл бұрын

I think it might be for book theories

@Sharkoshehe Жыл бұрын

We all know that we’d probably watch it no matter what he posts/

@thunderman_2226 Жыл бұрын

Book theory

@jennaborrelli1458 Жыл бұрын

what happened to that fourth channel anyway? didn’t he say it was going to be out in a week like a month and a half ago?

@wamalam Жыл бұрын

I like how Matpat is just explaining the thing we were told by the writer, and calling it a theory

@Thor-Orion Жыл бұрын

Why not? Worked with FNAF.

@baval5 Жыл бұрын

Not even explaining, repeating things we were told by the writer.

@YxVideos Жыл бұрын

matpat has run out of ideas in this theory lol

@jackflynn412 Жыл бұрын

@@baval5 MattPat is such a hack

@0008loser 11 ай бұрын

@@jackflynn412ok

@erichenn8154 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised MatPat didn't bring up atavism, i.e. mutating in a way that causes ancestral traits to reemerge. That seems like the most obvious explanation, not that neutralizing the chaos radiation somehow reversed the mutation (which is not how mutations work).

@ermacmacro7136 7 ай бұрын

But if the Ancients mutated into the Chao from exposure to the Chaos Energy of the emeralds, then would it not make sense that the Master Emerald (which is one of the few things if not the only thing that can negate the Chaos Emeralds) can undo that radiation and ergo undo that mutation?

@spark9189 Жыл бұрын

actually sonic was originally designed with storytelling in mind. in the japanese instruction manuals, it explained what was going on and even set up sonic adventure. this was made to contrast with mario's simple storytelling.

@MrZuffy Жыл бұрын

@Don't Read My Profile Picture this is why your dad left you

@whaleping Жыл бұрын

The existence of Dr. Eggman Robotnik is evidence Sonic has a story.

@blockstacker5614 Жыл бұрын

@@whaleping his name is Ivo!

@Edward256 Жыл бұрын

@@whaleping Which one of them? Julian Ivo Eggman or Robotnik? X) Really, the original Japanese manual called him Eggman, the Americans changed it to Robotnik, they hired some randos to build stories that lead to the nice Ovi Kintobor having an accident with an egg turning him into the evil Ivo Robotnik, slapping Julian on there, and Sonic is supposed to have five sisters... And I know, the games now say Eggman Robotnik who has a grandfather called Ivo Robotnik, and that is just to try and tie together the Japanese and American mindsets. X)

@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын

@@PsychoticWonders0725 Ikr 😒

@marbenmin5878 Жыл бұрын

I never thought I'd see the day when MatPat isn't constantly crapping on Sonic.

@whaleping Жыл бұрын

Sonic the Hedgehog, lore and overall franchise thanks to the 4th Wall, is too much for MatPat to get right since he’s outside the fandom.

@ThisIsTopTier Жыл бұрын

I won't give you any more respect if you're parodying those bots.

@Yeeyee8009 Жыл бұрын

SO MANY BOTS

@kaosagamerreal Жыл бұрын

he literally took multiple jabs at the games

@kian7406 Жыл бұрын

He clearly doesn’t know about the series from a lore standpoint tbh

@heatherzwig Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Nintendo kept Mario's backstory the same for at least 41 years. Knowing the person who raised him is Yoshi. Another Fun fact: Scourge got mutated into a green colour because of this Master Emerald , Scourge was always blue and became Green because of the master Emerald

@ToxiChaos Жыл бұрын

MatPat making Sonic videos about things that hardcore Sonic fans all know, and acting like it's groundbreaking is a tradition at this point.

@GuilFernandes 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, unfortunately. 😅

@lucaselias9824 8 ай бұрын

True

@Seraphim_1172 7 ай бұрын

But it's nice for those of us, like me, who know nothing about Sonic lore.

@GOATGAMES69 7 ай бұрын

not everyone is a hardcore sonic fan jesus

@johnwick7005 6 ай бұрын

He made this video for casuals I believe

@zacharyfigge8786 Жыл бұрын

Matpat: "does it break the canon that chaos is chao?" Ian: "chaos is still a mutant chao. The mutation turns back the clock and makes them look like their ancestors" Matpat: "so how can these both be canon"

@INACTIVE12678 Жыл бұрын

Literally was about to point this out

@SauronIH Жыл бұрын

Yeah there was literally no theory video needed for this one

@johnnywick2460 Жыл бұрын

Wait so the ancients are ancestors of chao!? Sorry I’m new and curious

@gungle2595 Жыл бұрын

@@johnnywick2460 yea, the ancients evolved into chao via radiation from the chaos emeralds, and chaos mutated to look like the ancients via that same radiation

@SparkTheKirin Жыл бұрын

I can see why Mat's speaking on it. He's not worried about how they turn back, he addressed how can a mutating emerald mutate something in reverse. And then he goes on about how to master can either empower or neutralize Chaos energy

@superstarmadness4089 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact MatPat, the storyline of someone turning into a water creature was not from the Archie Comics, nor was it done by Ian Flynn

@ZombieGuy1990 Жыл бұрын

Agree 💯 you got this wrong Mat

@goodpol5022 Жыл бұрын

Yeah didn’t he say that Chaos was confirmed to have been mutated? Or did the Archie Comic release before Sonic Adventure I’m not sure

@Nerium_Oleander13 Жыл бұрын

✨Well Remember nothing is *perfect* ✨

@miawmoon8959 Жыл бұрын

i mean; wasn't the god chaos a literal chao before mutating into that?

@goodpol5022 Жыл бұрын

Wait are you saying the story was written by someone else?

@SolarSkyline Жыл бұрын

I actually really liked the fishing aspect, it was really relaxing especially after having to go through all those bosses. (I did not really pay much attention until i got to the last island so i pretty much stayed at lower stats until the very end.

@Compucles Жыл бұрын

Nah, if something is boring in real life, it usually doesn't turn out to be more fun as a video game. Many of the rare exceptions are activities that are boring only due to the prep work and/or in between busywork that can be automated in a digital form, but fishing isn't one of them.

@me2552 Жыл бұрын

Big the Cat is just too cool for Sonic

@Nuclear_Stud Жыл бұрын

You know, I do actually miss the old intro theme for game theory. The thing was an absolute bop, and so are the other themes, but the the first one was the best.

@dracoandtheadventures3588 Жыл бұрын

@MogaGenshin_on_Tele_Gram no

@Tkscz Жыл бұрын

To add to this theory, in Sonic Adventure 2, if you raise a perfect neutral chao, which includes having it reincarnate multiple times >_>, it becomes a Chaos choa. A fully adult Chao that no longer dies and reincarnates and looks like a mix of a normal chao and Chaos. Showing that their alien forms aren't fully gone, they have to "grow up" into it.

@Tony_Man Жыл бұрын

So by your theory, the Master Emerald not only mutated the chao, but sped its growth... interesting

@firdanharbima6997 Жыл бұрын

and there's Koco

@uneditg6848 Жыл бұрын

@@firdanharbima6997 the koco are said to hold the souls and wishes of the aincents so not much to speculate there

@firdanharbima6997 Жыл бұрын

@@uneditg6848 and then there's elder Koco

@Tkscz Жыл бұрын

@@Tony_Man Or Chaos was a fully grown Choa before mutating. Either way works

@Capsirus Жыл бұрын

I think we’re gonna have to sit MatPat down and explain all the differences between the Archie Sonic Comics and the Fleetway Sonic Comics

@thethomasthetank Жыл бұрын

bro fr

@FamilyGuySoundwave Жыл бұрын

Sonic well be the next Fnaf of matpat

@Azure70 Жыл бұрын

Or you know, towards the entire theory team...

@Edward256 Жыл бұрын

I did not notice any mentions of Fleetway, but then again I did stop reading... Both comics a decade or more ago. All I know is that Archie just crammed in everything to try and have tie-ins with all the games, which I'm suspecting Flinn is doing now, and then had a reboot at some point. Fleetway has a strong message on "Power Corrupts" with Super Sonic being evil... and... Well, depending on rights maybe Flinn will throw in some Fleetway and grant Matt's wish. But, turning super that slowly corrupts and/or kills someone isn't anything new. Naruto anyone?

@kanga2468 Жыл бұрын

Everything is canon when it comes to sonic

@baked7423 Жыл бұрын

This could mean that super sonic itself is a mutation which coincidentally lines up very well with its inspiration. Idk if that was something they thought of when thinking about that or just something that works as Super States and Saiyans are similar but honestly really cool how everything connects back.

@Beefaroni_Bert Жыл бұрын

i thought all saiyans can achieve a super form if they just try hard enough, as shitty as it is Super basically gives us that information hell even someone able to possess a saiyan body can achieve it

@iandakariann Жыл бұрын

@@Beefaroni_Bert if you want to combine both worlds, you can look at chaos energy as a steroid. It gives you, in moments what takes years of training to achieve on your own. Though it's reversable and means you can't do it at will. And you run the risk of turning into a cute marketable blob creature

@yairr469 Жыл бұрын

@@Beefaroni_Bert at this point yeah the original requirements for turning into a ssj was to be in need of power but in gotens case its just having enough S-cells

@TheOxus Жыл бұрын

Also explains how knuckles nullified super sonic in his first appearance as the chosen master emerald warrior

@projekttaku1 Жыл бұрын

@@yairr469 originally it was power and rage, but apparently s-cells also helps with gaining it, but also apparently if you just focus your energy in the back you can achieve it.

@Hanz9667 9 ай бұрын

The characters/lore aren’t broken, they’re like the most fascinating things in the franchise

@dameonspawn6218 Жыл бұрын

It's also worth mentioning that in sonic adventure battle 2 you can essentially morph the chao halfway back into their water monster form by getting them to reincarnate 3 times and feeding them one of each animal. It's called a chaos chao and it just shows that under the right conditions a chao will show traits of their ancestors without any use of chaos energy. It's like how pokemon can be old and yet unevolved. I think what keeps chao dormant is that they essentially live in little paradises with no natural enemies or predators, the most stress they experience being karate matches and racing, and only with each other. There's no reason for them to have to take on a form for battle and destruction. Perhaps chaos protected the chao to keep them pure, because he knew a garden of chao could destroy the world if they were properly threatened. Chaos was willing to destroy the humans himself to avoid an all out war, because if many of his kind were awakened the humans would REALLY try to kill them all, not just out of greed for the emeralds but out of fear.

@cookiesyruplover Жыл бұрын

Aww I like this fact! Thank you for sharing it. It's so true that if humanity sees something they don't understand they just straight up go for war.

@henriquepirote9197 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this bit of lore and trivia, makes the connection seem even stronger (although I Iann didn't really know this, or maybe he did but I don't it was accounted for while writting).

@dreqdreck7531 Жыл бұрын

Well, not humans. It was the ancient Echidnas who threatened the Chao. Chaos may not have known what humans even were until he met Eggman 4000 years later.

@nox9184 Жыл бұрын

That's a lot more words than I want to read, please shorten it to 20 words or less

@prince_mezziah Жыл бұрын

I ain't reading allat

@grizzakaful Жыл бұрын

Regarding the master emerald, 06 explains that the emeralds are gems of unlimited power that can turn your thoughts into reality. It's how by using two, sonic and silver were able to open a portal to the past and how shadow was able to seal mephilis into the scepter of darkness. Their thoughts of needing a certain task done was made possible by the power of the emeralds.

@austinfondren5053 Жыл бұрын

Too bad they aren't able to remember it.

@EastPort10 Жыл бұрын

They also describe the chaos emeralds as turning thoughts into energy in Sonic Adventure. It's why Chaos only used the negative energy of the emeralds, he was thinking of nothing but anger and hatred.

@artistanthony1007 Жыл бұрын

@@austinfondren5053 Sonic does while Elise a tiny bit, go back to the last cutscene and you'll see Sonic does know Elise is doing the Festival and he does things differently than in the previous reality, yes Solaris made a second reality and allowed this before wiped from existence and timelines and it's because Solaris heard everything and lets Elise remember a little but not at her own will and needs her to do the Festival while Sonic makes sure she doesn't leave, that's why Solaris in its true form is called *The Flame of Hope*

@myleswelnetz6700 Жыл бұрын

So did Sonic Adventure and the Sonic movie 2.

@Ninjaguy3128 Жыл бұрын

@@austinfondren5053Sonic does remember the events of 06. Shadow is confirmed by Iizuka to also remember the events of 06, Blaze has some recollection of the events but not all of it, and Silver does not remember anything from 06. IIRC, Elise also has SOME memory of 06, but not a lot either. So Sonic and Shadow at least remember 06

@Sundeath41 Жыл бұрын

The fact Amy was more of a character than a crazy obsessed fangirl is heartwarming and nice Makes me like her more than I used to(cuz she was a little crazy back then😓)

@Cousinbiddy1 Жыл бұрын

Yea I was wondering what happened to her?

@ellianaaranda-hofer8034 Жыл бұрын

@Moga shut up Ur just a bot and a scammer

@amari1368 Жыл бұрын

and annoying

@Sundeath41 Жыл бұрын

@@amari1368 oh how could I forget🙄

@amari1368 Жыл бұрын

@@Sundeath41 I stg she got on my nerves in every sonic game 😂

@user-xe5rn2ji6f 4 ай бұрын

Farewell to Matt Pat thank you for shaping our childhood

@cookiekingdom6911 Жыл бұрын

Matpat: *Shows clip where the writer literally explains how these two things can be canon* Also Matpat right after: "That doesn't explain how these things can both be canon" What? Mat, have you been drinking too much diet Coke?!

@guyluz11 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same here, he quoted the writer "the mutation is a rollback to the previous thing, he's still a mutant chao that hasn't changed" So there was no need for eggs man 🥚 explanation.

@gman1515 Жыл бұрын

Matpat turned that quote into a 13 min video the way a school kid pads out an essay

@Magimasterkarp Жыл бұрын

@@gman1515 Like one of those game journalism sites that needs 4 paragraphs and fifteen ads to tell you how to evolve a Voltorb in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet (Level 30, btw).

@gman1515 Жыл бұрын

@@Magimasterkarp like a food blog that has to explain their entire life story and childhood trauma before giving their recipe for roasted potatoes

@SomeRandomGuy161 Жыл бұрын

9:55 this is actually the Fleetway comics.

@1Chitus Жыл бұрын

I'm not normally into fishing mini games, but Big's simple fishing game compliments the fast paced gameplay of Sonic very well. I found myself really enjoying it as a part of the experience, something I think other games struggle getting across with their fishing sections

@ME-yr1gn Жыл бұрын

I loved that fishing mini game

@lokomotion726 Жыл бұрын

That fishing area was so nice and relaxing, it was great. I also like how they made Big a calm fishing guide instead of a buffoon.

@jestphoenix Жыл бұрын

i always found myself going there when i needed a break from all the fighting. it's so relaxing. big's voice is certainly a help as well.

@thejaded Жыл бұрын

I haven't played the game but I've always found Big to be very cute and cuddly. So, I don't mind it.

@zadock6370 Жыл бұрын

I agree. they made the fishing fast paced, which I like.

@insanepyromaniac Жыл бұрын

5:01 FISHING WITH BIG THE CAT IS THE MOST RELAXING AND FUN THING TO DO NEVER GROAN AT THIS SERIOUS MATTER AGAIN

@malachi670 9 ай бұрын

At 7:56 when he brings up what Ian says from an interview it kinda answers everything. The video ends here if you understand what Ian says. But I love hearing Matt do his thing so no matter what it’s cool that he went deeper and extended/ explained the science. Love what you and your team do Matt!

@gonefishing476 Жыл бұрын

"No Copyright law in the universe is going to stop me" is one of the best lines in gaming and no one can tell me otherwise.

@trashman9282 Жыл бұрын

Sonic 3's music will like to have a word

@gonefishing476 Жыл бұрын

@@trashman9282 Nevermind I've been corrected, I'll give you that one. Hydrocity goes hard.

@gonefishing476 Жыл бұрын

@@trashman9282 Nevermind I've been corrected, I'll give you that one. Hydrocity goes hard.

@audraverela3663 Жыл бұрын

@@trashman9282 so would Ken Penders for that matter 🤢

@ZERODE11 Жыл бұрын

@@trashman9282 sonic generations music and sonic 06 music would like to have a word

@thehouseofwhatkivanders Жыл бұрын

9:50 MatPat: *talks about Archie Comics* Also MatPat: *shows Fleetway Comics*

@iananderson4754 Жыл бұрын

I had to do a spit take when I saw that.

@kysonjack3158 Жыл бұрын

Shouldn't take that long to figure out by their art styles and their covers to see that they are from two different publications, what's next? The IDW comics is Archie Sonic? The Sonic manga is Archie Sonic?

@Arcon1ous Жыл бұрын

Ignores that the person he is talking about is writing the current run of Sonic Comics with an already connected world, published by IDW. He uh, missed some comic research on this one, feels like the story is trying to follow up on that run of comics storyline more than anything.

@christrap4998 Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU i noticed that too i was upset when did that

@bluesmallspark Жыл бұрын

Funnest fact the thing he was talking about never even happened in archie it was all just fleetway

@xRoseByAnotherNamex Жыл бұрын

Please do more Sonic theories like this, it's a franchise that offers a lot of mysteries, and lore.

@Ninja-eh4cu Жыл бұрын

YES

@FTN_Ale Жыл бұрын

please not, since he doesn't know what he's talking about and he does theories about stuff the writers already explained themselves

@Chris.wya20 4 ай бұрын

Who else is here after he said he was leaving KZfaq 💔 thank you for everything matt

@dsur5547 Жыл бұрын

Fishing is usually in games to be a change of pace. It gives the player a break from high-intensity gameplay and can prevent burnout. Fishing is usually used because it’s easy to make and is almost always relaxing and low stakes.

@laughsinbritish5838 Жыл бұрын

Huh.

@arbitraryindividual Жыл бұрын

Man the angler makes it the complete opposite in terraria

@NickyYey Жыл бұрын

Maybe... if you are so tired you should just gtfo of the computer

@myleswelnetz6700 Жыл бұрын

And it’s also in other games like Link’s Awakening.

@myleswelnetz6700 Жыл бұрын

We Sonic fans are here for the intense high-speed action, not those boring fishing minigames. I think THAT was his point.

@rockowlgamer631 Жыл бұрын

Funny thing is matpat, fishing is probably one of the nice things about frontiers, after so much actions. A nice slow fishing can be relaxing

@paulwilliams667 Жыл бұрын

Can someone please tell me what these bots exist for? I understand the crypto scammers and “my channel is better” trying to get hate watches/ comments, but it’s not hard to buy YT views so why tf post a link nobody will click on?

@rockowlgamer631 Жыл бұрын

@@paulwilliams667 to bait idiots, that's why. Though honestly I thought it was gonna be a rick roll so I ignored it lol

@toshironikko Жыл бұрын

if we were talking about chao - im surprised you didnt bring up how in the game when you give them certain attributes they can evolve into different looking chao including the "chaos chao" which looks exactly like chaos if its in the neutral form (instead of hero or devil)

@Devlerbat Жыл бұрын

Am I the only one confused as to how MatPat seemed to miss the creator straight up saying that Chaos's mutation was a throwback to the Chao's descendants? The rest of the video is just a deep dive to reach a conclusion that was already said.

@pianoboyedm4829 Жыл бұрын

I think it was more to explain why it's a throwback

@clarehidalgo Жыл бұрын

*ancestors not descendants

@JiroTheFro Жыл бұрын

I was thinking along the same. The last few minutes felt like he was just saying the same thing in different words and different order. That just might be me picking up one what he’s trying to say before he says it tho

@GreenDude_Gaming Жыл бұрын

He has a tendency to do this kind of thing.

@spookydood Жыл бұрын

What he was explaining wasn't what happened, it's HOW. He fully acknowledged the point made my the creators and tried to explain exactly how what they were saying was possible, this is necessary because the chaos emerald's energy is what made the ancients turn into the Chao to begin with, so there needed to be an explanation as to how the master emerald could have made him back to normal if it made him that way to begin with. So yeah, you're right, we already know what happened, but Matpat wasn't explaining the what, he was explaining the how

@Jaricko Жыл бұрын

Sonic 1 had a story. It was kind of simple though. As you go level to level its supposed to become increasingly industrial. It was a very pro nature, Nature vs Industry series. Then it became monster of the month.

@Termina2018 Жыл бұрын

Crash 1 would later do the same. Hence why you started out with lush environments until everything becomes all mechanical in the final island. Which is another reason I enjoyed that game's linear map system, it told a story through the journey itself.

@hover8642 Жыл бұрын

All Classic games had stories

@silly_lily6241 9 ай бұрын

matpat being angry at the slow fishing being in a speed game, but fails to mention you can beat the game entirely by ONLY fishing

@ShionAkasuki 9 ай бұрын

The agony of it haha

@The_real_potatoe 8 ай бұрын

5 years ago there was a sonic theory 10 years ago there was a sonic theory

@KevinSecondWind Жыл бұрын

Fishing is a huge nod to Sonic adventure 1, where big the cat was a playable character that fished. I really enjoyed the addition in frontiers

@E.G.I.L.3D Жыл бұрын

Wait, there's something aside from fishing in this game?

@Chara_Dreemurr1 Жыл бұрын

I love the fishing area. It's a peaceful place. I love it. Just allows me to slow down. And relax.

@MrSomeGamerdude Жыл бұрын

@@E.G.I.L.3D Well there's the cooking mini game (I believe it came with MH dlc collab) where sonic is cooking a turkey leg in the same gameplay as MH cooking mechanic work (which makes earning those coins faster than fishing with big)

@Hevensdragon Жыл бұрын

Rather than a nod its a ongoing jab by the devs. After Bigs appearance in the Adventure 1 the fans hated him, but the devs loved him. So in Adventure 2 the devs pup Big in every level, to show he is still holding on and there despite all the requests for him not to be. Since then the work him in as a kind of jab, Now once again he forces his way into the game, as a "optional" part.

@DeadskyAg Жыл бұрын

The fishing is actually really fast with all things considered, the slow thing is leveling up speed and ring capacity

@imightplaygames7483 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't expect that game theory would make a theory about sonic frontiers, but I'm in for it.

@Stickinvester Жыл бұрын

same tbh

@noicegameplayz9015 Жыл бұрын

Me too

@fresh_coconut9859 Жыл бұрын

These bots are crazy

@hectorrojas431 Жыл бұрын

@@fresh_coconut9859 honestly

@STICKOMEDIA Жыл бұрын

Sam

@_NormalEditor 4 ай бұрын

Farewell matpat 🫡

@SpagettiSpeltWrong Жыл бұрын

During the final stretch of the game there's a lot of lore dumping but one thing I did catch is when preparing for the return of The End, the Elder says something along the lines of "if we fail, we'll send the something or other with the chaos Emeralds to the larger one that drew us here." So apparently the Ancients were drawn to Earth by the Master Emerald, which, as a last ditch effort to preserve the Chaos Emeralds, a group of the ancients took them to the Master Emerald, which caused them to mutate into the Chaos we know now, and allowed the rest of the Ancients to preserve their essence in the Koco

@Trim1013 Жыл бұрын

I like how he’s been hinting at the fourth channel a lot more often than usual, signaling that we’re getting close

@megaaxes3883 Жыл бұрын

There is some text in the logo when its spun on screen if you wish to dive into it

@blajjko Жыл бұрын

It's prob book theory

@Mycat123 Жыл бұрын

@@blajjko he said it won’t be

@WishGender Жыл бұрын

Didn’t he say it starts with s

@nrvyash Жыл бұрын

Yea I think its suit theory

@superbodoque7860 Жыл бұрын

Funny how he theorized about something that doesn't retcon Chaos' origins (which could be easy to figure out by yourself if you're into the lore) but not the fact that the emeralds being from space seemingly retcons the cycle of Dark Gaia and Light Gaia, but who knows maybe they'll explain it in the next game

@FTN_Ale Жыл бұрын

the answer to this theory is literally in game, the only part that he theorized is that the ME nullified the effects that the CE energy gave to the chaos and it doesn't even make much sense. this theory was made in 5 minutes and clearly the team doesn't know sonic lroe

@Ichiyama22 Жыл бұрын

I genuinely think the writers just forgot about Unleashed.

@flxwerhxrts4037 Жыл бұрын

the master emerald probably attracts the chaos emeralds and scatters them to the ancients planet

@silverboltscrapper Жыл бұрын

@@Ichiyama22 The cannons on Chaos Island were directly stated to be on par with the power of Dark Gaia by Tails, so they definitely didn't forget.

@alyssasenpai7254 Жыл бұрын

I don't think the chaos emeralds coming from space would retcon sonic unleashed, since the chaos emeralds were being attracted to the master emerald. Also I still think the chaos emeralds could have been sent to space by someone or something, just like Sonic did in Sonic X.

@ShinySid 8 ай бұрын

i love how matpatt always destroys my childhood

@myleswelnetz6700 Жыл бұрын

5:01 I signed up to go fast and catch fish, and I’m all out of bait. At least they made it quick.

@speedboom9392 Жыл бұрын

The examples you showed were not from the Archie Comics. They were from the British Sonic the Comic created by Fleetway and Ian Flynn had no involvement in those.

@michaeldaniels642 Жыл бұрын

"Together you stopped the Ark. Overcame Neo Metal." MatPat, that's a double reference to both Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes. Neo Metal was the main villain of Sonic Heroes.

@AeonCDG Жыл бұрын

I believe there is a quick citation top right at that part Now at least

@myleswelnetz6700 Жыл бұрын

“Stopped the Deadly 6 and the Black Arms each from destroying the world.” The list goes on.

@micahbirdlover8152 Жыл бұрын

@@AeonCDG 🥰 picture

@mooofuuu3634 Жыл бұрын

Mat, they always had a multiverse in the comics even back in archie, they have scrouge there which you shouldve used for an example of the master emerald mutation too

@thelastwindwaker7948 Жыл бұрын

-Bring up Sonic 06 and the "rocky transition into 3D" -Bring up fishing and Big The Cat. I swear critics of these games love to beat dead horses.

@thevius Жыл бұрын

I’d like to point out at 9:52 Matt says that the emeralds turn someone into a water monster in the ARCHIE comics. That never happened in Archie, that was Fleetway, those are two different comic continuities. Just wanted to clear up the confusion for anyone that may be confused.

@kalemuncher9425 Жыл бұрын

In all fairness, the whole reason he brought up the fleetway comic was to give some flimsy reason for Ian to justify the narrative choice, which in of itself is completely pointless It's just a point that can be ignored because it means absolutely nothing lmao

@HelloThere50728 Жыл бұрын

Fishing in sonic is actually one of the most efficient ways of speed running the game when the whole point of sonic is him being fast

@bakedbaker9882 Жыл бұрын

Ew, all bots in the replies

@ZeoMonstar 8 ай бұрын

I loved the game honestly and I actually spent hours fishing.. guess I'm horrible for that 😅

@silvanaguerrero304 Жыл бұрын

I love your videos so much! Keep up the great work!

@elliotgandersen Жыл бұрын

I really like Sonic Frontiers it was fun and tried to make all the messy stories coherent and singular. As for the Chao makes perfect sense to me. We see that they are already “genetically unstable” being able to turn into thousands of different variations.

@atre5763 Жыл бұрын

It wasn’t all that great

@elliotgandersen Жыл бұрын

@@atre5763 Just because you don’t enjoy something doesn’t mean I can enjoy it.

@SortaPixel Жыл бұрын

Oh my god, they wasn't kidding, MatPat really did just say he fixed the lore by showing us lore that wasn't even broken

@Aussie_Man Жыл бұрын

IT'S STORY THEORY!

@white6505 Жыл бұрын

who wasnt?

@jesusmunoz6161 Жыл бұрын

Finally someone said something I was just sitting here like it didn’t contradict itself at all

@Biddybud Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the theory was "is it true" and then telling us "it's true" in 15 minutes

@micahbirdlover8152 Жыл бұрын

@@jesusmunoz6161 my brother plays this game🤨

@Angie2343 Жыл бұрын

Love your vids MatPat! 9:50 The same thing happens to Dingo in the Sonic Underground episode "New Echidna in Town" with the creation of Chaos Dingo.

@mr.midnight1997 Жыл бұрын

I like how he says that Ian Flynn was a writer for the UK fleetway sonic the comic.

@Wilmar10 Жыл бұрын

Ian Flynn isn't just the former writer for the Archie Sonic comics, he's also the current writer for the IDW Sonic comics

@Sydney_Angelyt Жыл бұрын

one of them, not the only one

@thestoner8382 Жыл бұрын

@@Sydney_Angelyt true, but he was the first and main writer

@evanrobert175 Жыл бұрын

Big the cat is a favorite among Sega, so they add him whenever they can. (Especially in SA2) The Fishing Minigame was added so players could relax, and skip a few cyberspace levels, as well as for speed runners.

@jaydenroberts2615 Жыл бұрын

It also wasn’t lacking at all in the Soundtrack. Those songs are boppin

@ninja_sloth_3773 Жыл бұрын

“SoNiC yoU comE HeRE tO FisH ToO, I LoVE FiShINg”

@copeman4306 Жыл бұрын

5:14 Mat Pat just doesnt get it. This fishing minigame makes the game a masterpice

@RomanAbramov-jz6zr 6 ай бұрын

Yes without it it’s 1/10

@Insanerobert44 Жыл бұрын

You also have to admire how Ian tried to bring back the lore of Sonic the Hedgehog and glue it all up in one single piece in order to create something better (I imagined he used spit and gum for it, though.... just for the sakes of laugh). It's hard to do when every single storyline was created almost like it's own, standalone lore, mixing all kinds of stuff to become "unique" to it's predecessors.

@mijailsilvakiyan9170 Жыл бұрын

Let's be honest, the only way the Sonic timeline could make sense again, is making some DC Crisis kind of thing. Some event that takes an entire game, and restructures the canon

@obvalenvee338 Жыл бұрын

My problem with the fishing minigame isn’t that it’s slow (I actually like the lofi aesthetic) but what I think is funny is how fishing can solve every problem you have. Wanna go faster? Go fishing. Can’t bear to beat another Squid? Go fishing.

@Vinyl-Syrup 10 ай бұрын

that's why big has survived so long. he's the fishing god

@fatalwaffle1715 10 ай бұрын

Awesome video, Bro! You know I'm surprised you never made a theory about the Wisps in Sonic. Like about their power and about them going into Sonic's body. And they go in through his tummy, by the way.

@bradencosier80 Жыл бұрын

8:09 "It offers no help on how these two things can both be cannon." Um, it absolutely did! It's literally what the writer said: It's a rollback. The ancestors of Chao are ancients, and Chaos is just a mutated Chao that happened to mutate backwards. "The mutation is, he looks like their ancestors."

@MegamanElric16 Жыл бұрын

9:55 That's Fleetway, not Archie. Different publisher telling a completely different story with different interpretations of these characters. In Archie, Chaos was almost identical to how he was in the games at that point; but in Fleetway, he was a mutated member of a race of evil conquering aliens that were already established prior.

@Dr_Robotnik-1991 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Beefaroni_Bert Жыл бұрын

we also see exactly how to get chaos adjacent chao in chao garden by evolving them enough. they become straight up immortal lmao

@mildex756 Жыл бұрын

I have no clue how he mixed that up. The Fleetway book is literally most known for its wild and crazy Super Sonic.

@zachmercer1065 Жыл бұрын

@@mildex756 cuz MatPat isn’t a Sonic fan. He just likes making content to enrage the fanbase lol

@mildex756 Жыл бұрын

@@zachmercer1065 He likes to enrage the fanbase, but he still needs research to do so.

@totempoleman7810 9 ай бұрын

9:54 I love how Matpat can't tell the difference between US Sonic comics by Archie Comics and UK Sonic comics by Fleetway Publications. And no, Ian Flynn didn't write any stuff to the UK comics and also Chaos has different attributes in those comics compared to games.

@MasterJazz09 Жыл бұрын

The current sonic IDW comics are freaking amazing and they connect all the current games mainly starting from like sonic lost world and it works so well I really hope sega introduces surge the tenric into the games it would be a great boss fight

@NotSoGenesiz Жыл бұрын

i always thought that chao were mutated koco. i mean, we already know the ancient’s souls are infused into the koco, so having the koco themselves mutate into chao and having one of them turn back into how they originally were doesn’t seem that far out.

@charismaentertainer1657 Жыл бұрын

The koco are the souls of all the ancients that died during the ends attack. At this point they’re just stone (?) holding the old generations soul. There’s no DNA to mutate The chao are however descendants of the ancients that didn’t die and settled on angel island

@NotSoGenesiz Жыл бұрын

@@charismaentertainer1657 yeah, it wasn’t until recently where i thought about it and i was like “hm wait a second” because in all honesty it makes no sense lol

@kian7406 Жыл бұрын

They are

@Ninja-eh4cu Жыл бұрын

its sort of like the kokos are holders of the ancients souls, sage asks why sonic wants to help them when its already happened, when their fate has already been decided

@pianoboyedm4829 Жыл бұрын

The Koco turning into Chao through radiation is leagues more likely than the Ancients turning directly into Chao. The Koco and Chao are around the same height and exhibit similar features and behaviors too

@marcosgordon763 Жыл бұрын

I believe that the use of Super Sonic over the years actually had a positive effect on the blue blur. In Sonic 3&K, Sonic can perform an action called the Insta-shield, a move in which Sonic spins so fast that he becomes temporarily invincible, just like his Super form. In Sonic Adventure & Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic would learn how to perform the Light Speed Dash and Light Speed Attack, however by Sonic Heroes it would become part of Sonic’s main actions (sure he would have to learn them again in ‘06 and in Unleashed, but he relearned them again in Generations and Lost World along with his Peel Out ability from CD). In Heroes Sonic could make a giant tornado, this move is similar to his move in Sonic Battle where he could make a smaller twister. Not to mention his Boost ability from Sonic Rush which would carry over to the Modern games starting in Sonic Unleashed. Which finally brings us to Sonic Frontiers, where Sonic’s fighting abilities get an overhaul, not even including the Super form fights against the Titans.

@firdanharbima6997 Жыл бұрын

and then there's Koco

@vision4860 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Sonic isn't an Ancient or a Chao, and the prior watery Chaos mutation from the comic isn't canon in the games. But looking at what we've seen already in the games - especially with Shadow, which is much more concrete - we see that repeated use of the Chaos Emeralds has empowered them over the years. Sonic Battle specifically notes that Shadow is able to use a number of Chaos techniques without an Emerald, whereas he held onto the green Emerald through most of Adventure 2, and that continues through Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06, among others. Also of note: Super Sonic uses Chaos constructs similar to Shadow's Chaos Spear in Frontiers.

@7grandmac Жыл бұрын

This is kind of a shot in the dark but I think the 4th channel teased at 0:56 might be called Super Theory. He said that it’s gonna start with an S, and it you increase the brightness and/or contrast it looks like there’s an S in the logo, akin to Superman’s logo, and then literally right after he makes a joke about going Super Saiyan, and in a video about Thor: Love and Thunder a few months ago MatPat mentioned that he had been going through his backlog of comics. What if that was in preparation for this?

@edelric117 Жыл бұрын

The mutation can be used to explain so much like why a hedgehog turns golden to match the gold rings he picks up bc of radioactive emeralds

@alextalbain9269 Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I don't really care if it breaks the old lore. As far as I'm concerned, Frontiers has started a whole new generation/era for the sonic franchise and I'm really excited to see what comes next.

@zeebo30 Жыл бұрын

it was even marketed as an entirely new era of sonic

@atspeechless545 Жыл бұрын

But that’s the thing, it doesn’t the title is pure clickbait.

@alextalbain9269 Жыл бұрын

@@atspeechless545 oh, I'm 100% aware of that since I watched the video. I'm just saying that even if it did break the lore, I wouldn't care.

@godzillaraiden4203 Жыл бұрын

Yep.I do hope that this era can make Sonic games a more reputable franchise again

@BlueTyphoon2017 Жыл бұрын

@@alextalbain9269 idk, I feel like I’d kind of care, as doesn’t that invalidate everything or that specific thing that happened before?

@Luke-from-some-where Жыл бұрын

Eggman in Sonic Frontiers do be sounding like Beerus from Dragon Ball Super

@solaris-7115 Жыл бұрын

I’m a bit late to the party, but did anyone else notice in the game that when the ancients first arrive on the planet, they were drawn to the master emerald. The master emerald, which was already cut to its current shape, and left abandoned on an empty island. That means that it was already used and lost by yet another entity before the emeralds even got to the planet!

@complex2live Жыл бұрын

5:27 I guess Mat likes waking everyone up with his dialogue.

@toddbailey8474 Жыл бұрын

What makes this theory more interesting is the inclusion of the battle between Dark and Light Gaia. What if when the ancient race came to the planet the war between Light and Dark Gia was brewing and they created the Gaia temples to help save the planet? That could explain why the emeralds are restored in the Gaia Temples

@zeebo30 Жыл бұрын

The tablets int he gaia temples are stated to have been written by humans. The ancients likely came looooong before anything was going on with dark and light gaia

@SoundwaveSuperior6969 4 ай бұрын

12:52 Super Sonic is already a mutation (appearance-wise) of Sonic, and Super Sonic also has Negative Chaos Energy on his side when needed, so Super Sonic is essentially another physical form for Sonic, not just being yellow and faster

@samuellawrencesbookclub8250 Жыл бұрын

5:36 Petition for MatPat's 4th channel to be (Video Game) Fishing Theory

@cofagrigusfan24 Жыл бұрын

9:54 that is actually from the Fleetway Comics not Archie and Ian Flynn did not work for Fleetway also Ian was not the only head writer on Archie, there was also Ken Penders (the #1 most hated person in the Sonic fanbase)

@greenstarlover1 Жыл бұрын

*_DO NOT MENTION THE CURSED ONE NAME'S IN THE HEDGEHOG'S DOMAIN_*

@cofagrigusfan24 Жыл бұрын

@@greenstarlover1 he might be a stupid manchild, but he did gave great things to Archie all things went downhill when Sonic Chronicles released

@Sherin974 Жыл бұрын

Wild to hear the different recordings in the script from matpat. Yea I got a negative effect of too much radiation, its called an early death. Transforming in any capacity will always have a strain on the base material regardless of how powerful the catalyst is, the body can only handle so much strain and that strain leads to an early death due to cellular breakdown.

@Dylan-jd4rj 8 ай бұрын

Im not the only one who liked the fishing right? Its nice to chill after a massive boss fight

@RSA-zv9hd Жыл бұрын

Pretty much describes how wild the Sonic lore is and how much it takes to understand it

@kian7406 Жыл бұрын

Nah he doesn’t know much about sonic game lore according to this video

@T.L.P50 Жыл бұрын

its really not that hard tbh

@biodock2003 Жыл бұрын

Still easier to understand than fnaf lore

@HabitualThinker Жыл бұрын

It’s really not. It’s nowhere near compilcated much less hard to understand

@RSA-zv9hd Жыл бұрын

@@biodock2003 that’s true

@Alphas_Beta Жыл бұрын

You have to remember that eggman said that they are "Relatives" so the Koko species could just be an alternate chao. That explains why they look similar, but have some very different features.

@Rusty_Spy Жыл бұрын

They aren’t related to Chao at all, they’re just inanimate objects reanimated by downloading the data of the ancients’ personalities into them.

@Notthebloodgod812 Жыл бұрын

@@Rusty_Spy but they resemble the chao a lot one could even suggest that the KoKo had some influence on the Ancients’ mutation

@Rusty_Spy Жыл бұрын

@@Notthebloodgod812 they didn’t They were just charms they used to carry around

@Comp1ater Жыл бұрын

@@Rusty_Spy They are related to the chao if we are being honest Chao are decadents of the KoKo or ancients that's why when chaos was mutated from the master emerald he looked exactly like the ancients

@yagirlmayalazarus6713 Жыл бұрын

@@Comp1ater The Chao are the Ancients after their DNA mutated from exposure to the Master Emerald with the Chaos Emeralds. Which is why when Chaos mutated from a Chao it turns him into an Ancient because it brought out the old DNA through regression. So the Koko are related to the Chao in the same way they were related to the Ancients.

@AuralesseX Жыл бұрын

Mat Your Videos Are Awesome You Are True Theorist And Are One Of My FAVORITE Chanels You Are Truly Amazing And Cheer Up My Day Tip Lot Less FnaF

@tinyrock5275 Жыл бұрын

I think another great example of the chaos emeralds being used for mutation is sonic unleashed. Egg man straight out uses them to turn sonic into a werehog.

@Kahadi Жыл бұрын

So to simplify, that quote given around 8 minutes is the explanation, we've had it all along and this theory more just spotlights it to everyone that didn't pay attention. "He's still a mutated Chao, he's just mutated into their ancestors. It's a rollback, but he's still a mutated Chao"

@theevildalek5425 Жыл бұрын

9:54 That’s the Fleetway Comic Series, not Archie. To my knowledge, Ian Flynn had no involvement in that series (but that doesn’t stop the theory that he might have been inspired by it). For the mutant water creature in Fleetway, that was that comic teams way of telling the Sonic Adventure story in that comic series

@Ninja-eh4cu Жыл бұрын

i believe fleetway was only released in the uk, wish i was alive when they were released lol

@Usernamestill_Unavailable 10 ай бұрын

3:48 That’s a very dangerous game to play Sonic.

@Assimileafy2 Жыл бұрын

The fishing isn't bad, tbh. It's chill and breaks up the pacing of the game nicely when you stumble upon them.

@Marshall-Lee. Жыл бұрын

It’d be really cool if matpat tackled the murals from Sonic 3/sonic and knuckles and sonic Adventure theories and the imagery connecting blaze and silver to some of the levels environments

@TheIDcard123 Жыл бұрын

You know he won't. That would require actual research into Sonic lore.

@somebodythatiusetoknow2027 Жыл бұрын

Damn Matpat giving a deep Sonic lecture gave me nostalgia

@kian7406 Жыл бұрын

Barely deep. He barely knew what he was talking about

@FrankyKenrok Жыл бұрын

@@kian7406 do you even know what you are talking about?

@kian7406 Жыл бұрын

@@FrankyKenrok th do you fkin mean? do you? cuz if you think he has a grasp on sonic law your factually wrong. Every sonic video he makes shows a misunderstanding of the series.

@coestar100 Жыл бұрын

@@FrankyKenrok The fact that he uses a screenshot of Sonic the Comic and says its the archie comic even though archie comics were US only and Sonic the Comic was made for the UK should be enough, and Ian Flynn didn't write for Sonic the Comic

@FTN_Ale Жыл бұрын

@@FrankyKenrok he most likely does more than matpat, since he hasn't made a 13 minute long video about something his kid could figure out and that the writers even explained themselves

@myleswelnetz6700 Жыл бұрын

1:33 I think the world maps were so empty because, thanks to Subtle Name (my sarcastic nickname for The End, the final boss), the only fauna left living there is made of metal.

@PryzmMRP Жыл бұрын

They should totally make a lore sonic game, where you see him in the childhood and him coping with it as a flashback of his fatigue and tails has to rescue him cause bad guy was waiting for this weakness. And sonic overcomes everything from has former years, so he breaks out of disease and tails and him reunite (after you play tails as a secondary story to reaching sonic) and then then the epic final fight where you take the skills you honed from both characters and destroy the final bad guy

@Eranell Жыл бұрын

5:14 dont know if you ever heard it MatPat but there is that saying (or maybe I just made it up in my mind): "There are two kinds of games: Those with fishing mini games and bad ones".

@nelsonkeyamo6621 Жыл бұрын

It's sonic adventure all over again