Micro transactions and Battle Passes are the future of Gaming. Deal with it.

@@Mitch93636 Just take that boot entirely in your mouth. Do not resist.

​@@Mitch93636 "future"

@@Mitch93636 No thanks

@@Mitch93636 We are dealing with it...by not buying that shit.

Edit: Since people don't like reading, just go watch Asmongold's reaction to this video, he makes pretty much the same point. There is nothing wrong with live service games, the problem is these single player game studios trying to make like service game. It takes special skills to make a Live service games and way more devs working on it, 500+ people at least. good live service games are made with passion by people who want to make a good game that lasts forever. Bad live service games are made by the same single player studios you were fanboying, they have no idea how to make one, they don't have the patience nor the resources but they want the big piles of cash, so they do it anyways. And that's how they ruined the reputation of an entire game genre.

I’d have to pay attention, or care about them enough to boycott them.

@@MEYH3Myap yap yap. That’s all I read. 🤫

@@axel2x748 Left 4 Dead 2, Warframe, Sea of Thieves, Deep Rock Galactic, Helldivers 2 are all great games. doesn't matter what you think.

So many better options, everybody need to stop looking for friends online 😂

'Good' products are actually antithetical to what capitalists do. They want mcdonald's hamburgers (think of cheese as a dlc) rather than haute cuisine because their primary goal at this point is reducing costs, one thing they can control. Minimum cost for maximum profit, which seems fine because nobody thinks about how this is digging a hole over time. The system inevitably leads towards self destruction and collapses when costs cannot be cut anymore and profits cannot be increased.

Exactly, it truly is a plague to the industry. Profiteers just aiming for quick profits rather than putting in the effort a project deserves to make a good game people will enjoy making and playing.

I have a question with game development, why does it cost so much for like AAA companies to make a game(idk if you can answer)

@@bananar1403 just about cost man Indie studios have anywhere from 1 to 25 developers on continuous payroll. Not a hard number but this is common amount. Studios like Ubisoft will have multiple games in development at the same time often, each with between 100-300 developers on continuous payroll. It's a tradeoff. Big studios can work on multiple assets of the same type at the same time, can task multiple developers to single assets, and can do more overlapping work; the consequence is drastically increased costs. Independent studios don't have the manpower to crunch like big ones can; they also still spend a lot of money retaining their manpower relative to their total capital. You'd also be surprised how often high level developers in such organizations will work multiple jobs just to not strain their project so hard; not often, but it never happens in professional studios as they would first fire the entire subdivision before being placed in such a financial situation. tl;dr more people cost more money but work faster; less people cost less money and have more agency but work significantly slower

Back in the day a team of 10 people or higher was considered a AAA studio now its a indie 😂 times sure have changed

I couldn't get into Journey because I knew the other character was a human, and while I wanted to explore an area and work out a solution myself, I had this other character standing at the spot I needed to go to, impatiently pinging me while I wandered. Ruined the fun for me.

"As an antisocial introvert" Pls go outside lil bro

@@kaiki-desu8193 pls , try to understand, lil bro. he dont feel emotions you feel.

Sounds like the majority lmao

@@kaiki-desu8193 dude.. im a disabled 44 year old woman 😅

Capitalism*

The cooperate time limit of exponential growth.

@@rappakalja5295 Nothing is wrong with Capitalism - there is no better system - the same companies will fail if they do things poorly, that's how it works and should work

@@rappakalja5295 Nope. Plenty of good games are still made by independent people. Capitalism has nothing to do with it, please spare us the politics.

​@@rappakalja5295 without capitalism there wouldn't be a games industry

I'm old enough to remember multiplayer flat out didn't exist because there was no widespread internet adoption yet. The closest you got to multiplayer was playing Barren Realms Elite or TradeWars 2002 on a BBS.

I wanted to answer this as well. When Multiplayer was Hard because you actually had to understand how Networks work. I miss the times the Internet had a built in Skillcheck before entrance.

Uncharted 4.

i'm old enough to remember when multiplayer meant you had 2 controllers plug in the consoled with split screen and a friend sitting next to you

@@gfimadcat So you gathered your friends in your parent's basement to set up a LAN Party to play some pirated games all night and have endless fun? Yeah... I'm old too :(

Try cruelty squad if you play on PC, I got it at full price and don't regret it although i have seen it on heafty discounts.

>wall street turning everything into a commodity

Crony capitalism, folks! Dear socialists and capitalists both: Not everything ought to be a market. The human spirit won't be fed by profits and green lines.

​@@alonsoACR Go talk to some people who survived the Iron Curtain, and edecuate up on how a 12oz CAN OF PEPSI was a MONTH's wages in 1970s Ukraine.

@@alonsoACR When your main complaints in life are about video games, you have it pretty good lol

Yep, there's lots of 80s out there for some seriously trash titles.

Yeah. It always amuses me when people say things like "A 70% doesn't mean its bad." Like.. nobody actually feels good about getting a 70% on anything, lol. Barely grades as a C. Nobody really wants to buy and play C-grade products either (especially if it wants you to keep paying and buying), it wouldn't be a fucking C if its what everybody wanted.

I think barely anyone knows this about the 60-50 to 10-20 conversion, but I'm certain people know that critics and stereotypical game "journalists" are cowards.

You don't understand how aggregates work. Tons of critics give low scores all the time. These games are perfectly playable. They're just mediocre.

@@burrfoottopknotThe purely independent gaming magazines were pretty honest. The first one that comes to mind was PSM before they became “PlayStation: The Official Magazine.” I do miss their artwork, lid stickers, unique demo discs, etc. On a side note, I miss the feeling of getting a new issue of Nintendo Power in the mail. Memories.

hahaha

Love this

Dutch "I have a plan john". John "You always have a plan dutch" Dutch "This is a good one. It's live service."

RDR2 was also a legendary single player game as was The Witcher 3 (both weren't mentioned)

@gameranx, As the leader of this project, I want to clarify the narrative around ANTHEM’s development. The developers, the heart of this creation, have poured their talent and dedication into building a game they believed in. It’s not just a product; it’s a vision they brought to life. The shortcomings you’ve mentioned are not a reflection of their commitment but rather the result of strategic decisions made at higher levels. These decisions, often driven by timelines and financial goals, can overshadow the developers’ original intent. Let’s redirect our critique towards the decision-making processes that impact the game’s development and release. We should celebrate our developers’ efforts and learn from the challenges to improve future endeavors. Peace.

eh, there are plenty of devs that get tired of the instability of the games industry and leave to go do programming for something outside of the games industry, write stories for something not games related, do art and animation for something else. sometimes we do lose devs. They are here because they are passionate, but sometimes they are willing to give up the creativity and doing what they want for a more stable and bigger paycheck doing something less fulfilling because they need to suppor their family.

Genuine question but what devs and what companies are you talking about?

​@@BestKZfaqrever422 Most people just mention the games that a studio produced like the studio that made Hi-Fi rush got shut down. Watch the video again and pay attention to the games he says were condisered failures they are the ones that had their studio shut down.

Beloved IPs are getting shelved though. Suits will see a game that underperformed and conclude that franchise is no longer worth the risk. Then they'll just sit on it.

@@TurboTobs1989 oh, absolutely. That's why spiritual successors are a thing. And it's hard to not fall for an IP, but don't tie your identity to it. Creatives haven't had much say in the decision making in decades, outside of the indie scene.

That's quite sad

Holy shit yes! There were a few games where I purchased to support that studio. The games were worth it and dlc was fun add-ons. Some I purchased extra maps, some I purchased new characters/skins. Some dlc was even free at times. Unfortunately, everyone expects everything should be free and should automatically be included in the game. What people don’t realize and may not understand is that dlc had no effect on the game because it had nothing to do with the campaign/story.

Back when Windows wasn't seeing itself as a live service portal..

That shit is a cancer to gaming tbh... Like what in the fuck do you mean I cant play the game I spent money to OWN... Fucking Thief's , dont get upset when people pirate your games assholes

fr

Amen....

💯 agree

How else could they collect data

I don't see that as a the worst part, or even a bad thing. A company that insist on shoveling out crap people don't want, despite what their customers tell them, deserves to go out of business. It's natures way, survival of the fittest.

@@xerxes8632it’s bad when it’s a company that has made great games before, but it’s probably still because of new owners and new developers

@@mr.spytomThe companies are still made up of people and the personnel will still go on to make great games. That’s certainly what we saw with Black Isle. The main issue I have is that the IPs themselves will be abandoned or bought up

@@xerxes8632 that would be fine if they didn't shove down everyone else on the play ground and buy all their toys. Big companies buy up all the indie passionate studios and popular franchises, then shovel out crap. More times than not, pulling out and refusing to sell the IP, so no one else can ever expand on the franchise ever again.

@@mr.spytom Happens all the time, companies have a life span. They are born, grow up, grow old, and die. It's very rare for a company to be 100 years old. They all die at some point. Even if a company lasts for 200 years (extremely rare), the people running it at the beginning, will be long gone, and replaced. I have bought my share of crappy games, and stay away from companies that sold me those.

Hello fellow Pirated Software enjoyer.

Status flex isn't a single player.

And then bethesda committed sin with the oblivion horse armor

​@@EmeraldAbyss77horse armor was first

Developers!! Please just let game be game!!

Art is business: since forever

Games have always been a business. They just used to be *better* at it.

Now what will 2020s be?

@@AndrewDaPro Buzz Lightyear: "Microtransactions. Micros everywhere."

Well yeah, the greedy corporatists fly in, take over anything successful, and try to make it into a ‘science’ of squeezing the most money out of something without having the talent. It’s all about the numbers going up, ‘growth’. Same is happening in Hollywood.

How hard is it for them to understand this statement? Idc if I am in a suit, understanding the field you’re in should be business 101. Awesome statement man

Wild quoting Steve Jobs on the subject of corporate greed and ego

Agreed, they are trying to make sure their games follow their quarterly profit schedule.

@@PurplePanda1233 Something something right twice a day, you know how it is.

20 is fucking generous dude.

-10

I'd say 10% in initial release. It became 12% when Joker was added. lol

Live service isn't why its bad though.

The thing about that game is that thanks to all of the leaks, gameplay trailers and the SBI controversy we knew how the game would turn out even before it came out, that pretty much sorted out all of the people who don't enjoy mediocre live service cash grabs and games who try to virtue signal and tell them what's right and what's wrong. So, the only people who bought the game were pretty much people who knew what they were getting into, probably people who liked and agreed with the SBI nonsense and have a humiliation kink, and hardcore DC/Arkham fans who will buy anything that has DC/Arkham universe characters in it.

If you have six years and extremely deep pockets.

​@@mal2kscthat's the bare minimum requirement to make award winning best selling games tho 😂😂😂😂😂

I agree with you. Being able to enjoy something solo is amazing!

Same, I never really cared for online multiplayer games.

There's plenty of them around, it whatever genre you like. I've never been into online play, and have never felt starved for choice in single-player games, and there's more choice now than ever. 'Live Service Games' are just a loud annoying toddler trying to get everyone's attention. Ignore them and they soon tire.

I still play solo lol, you just need to find the right game. Though most of them are old so unless you REALLY like them, theres no point.

Same here, I'm basically a full on story mode player. I play to experience the story.

bingo

I agree. Obviously every company wants a profit but the problem is the business model of nickel and diming the customer. Imagine your neighbor had a lemonade stand, but instead of selling them by the glass, your neighbor wants a subscription fee. On top of that he wants you to pre-order his lemonades. But wait there's more, he also introduced microtransactions, he wants you to pay for the sugar, the water, and the plastic cups.

We have become the Ferengi from Star Trek

Quarterly profits are the only thing that matters. That means 3 months is the limit of their thinking ahead

capitalism is killing everything from the planet to our video games

Life,Is roblox,thats why

it seems that win10/win11 doesn't want you to play many of these older games as many just don't work anymore, and remasters generally are bug ridden messes hastily hobbled together to make quick profits.

@@michael_stocker but yes most remasters are just cash grabs. There are only a handful of remasters that are actually better than the original.

@@tacticalmattress Case in point: Persona 3 Reload

I can see from the Xbox 360 logo that you are indeed a veteran. Godspeed, ya magnificent bastard

imagine grinding for hours at the job and coming home grinding for a game💀

@@DioStandsStillI think it’s more to convey that if you want to get the most cool loot you need to grind for hours on end rather than take a game at its pace.

Yeah, single player last 20-30 hours of gameplay. Live Service games need to last 300-400 hrs between updates. Only way to sustain the game is to crrate contents with lower quality graphics, less cutscenes, and very repetitive gameplay.

⁠aint nobody grinding this piss that's currently coming out lol most of the games I've heard of past few years have truly failed, no wonder

I used to play Genshin and stopped because of this, thank god I never spent any money on any live service game

anthem would have been amazing as a single player action rpg heck imagen a armored core style game with mass effect rpg and decisions.

Well never get another arkham game again…

@@ImNotFine44*side eyes meta quest 3* yeah… never again…

i miss resistance but sony basically killed it

They don't have great ideas anymore, just Californian sensibilities.

Indie games ftw

It can be, when it's not a live-service model that needs consistent interest from players buying microtransactions to stay profitable. AAA flops that weren't live service could still make bank just because the pre-order sales and initial purchases on release is most of what they needed to achieve their projected profits.

Delayed releases are usually a good thing most the time bc the product is usually finished

@@viralchainx9 But also presenting a delay is signs of bad planning, and delays being a trend looks like a lot of studios are confronted with horrible planning, production and design plans

I mean the film industry is kind of going down the shitter too, largely for the same kind of corporate malarkey.

When rent rises exponentially and salaries rise linearly. You are just planting the seeds of revolution. If it where not for the circuses (games, social media etc) The prooblem would have been solved a long time ago..

@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj Doesn't take much longer until people realize circuses don't feed them. And if their monthly budget gets eaten up by basics like "living under a roof", before they can fill their fridge, they won't stop. Kinda shame this trend appears everywhere in our world. Hope there's a turning point soon before everything turns ugly.

@@michaelgiertz-rath7994 unfortunately, history teaches us that the turning point IS ugly, people have to be brought to the brink before they react en masse, and that in itself is part of the problem. It will be violent, senseless and highly destructive when the 'revolution' finally comes, and from the ashes, it will be the power hungry and opportunistic would-be dictators who are most likely to seize the reins next. If you want productive and positive change, you have to do it by degrees, and keep fighting against the tide. It's a battle of inches, and you have to change people's minds one at a time. It's slow, laborious and horribly depressing, but the alternative is so much worse.

Corporate greed only works because so many people keep buying into it though. The real problem is the masses who make it work, not the few who profit from it. Sad truth, but ultimately the reason we've only seen the corporate landscape worsen over the last ~50 years.

@@michaelgiertz-rath7994 I've seen this said for over 20 years straight, and yet the problem continues to grow and people continue to take it lying down. You really do have to push the masses to an absolute breaking point before reactionaries finally outnumber the complacents, and once you hit that threshold it's ALWAYS unpleasant. We are now entering our second adult generation who are utterly without hope of owning their own home in many places. This same generation are the children of those who first started seeing wages freeze (or even reduce) whilst expenses continued to rise, and yet the changes we hoped would occur feel further from reality now than they did in the late 90s when the whole house of cards started falling.

Spot on, you should get rewarded for being good at a game not just buying shit

💯 spot on. And yeah... Those games are WEAK!

i personally hate nintendo for all the shit they give the fans

@@samuelcalkins307 Yeah, but we can't deny that they launch and have some bangers on their consoles

AMEN!

This is the biggest thing for me too. It used to feel like a body of work. Now it just feels like a UI wrapped around a shop

Ghost of tsuchima was amazing!!

Alan Wake 2. That was a passion product.

@@yarikonings Alan Wake 2 is overrated… and a completely different game than the original

I had given up completely until Elden Ring arrived. Haven't enjoyed a game that much since Witcher 3

Exactly I find myself stressed after gaming it feels more like a chore at times I hate how it's no longer enjoyable

Same here. I just want a good story, decent game mechanics, graphics can even be so-so. Just let me play it by myself at my own pace and get lost in it.

Have you played all the half life's yet?

I would say FOMO is my least favorite game mechanic

Well said. Those of us with the desire for a life in meat space and without the warm, comforting bosom of our parent's converted basement don't have the kind of time necessary to devote to live service gaming. I had a PC built specifically to play ESO and then I found out that I didn't remotely have the time I needed to keep up with other players in game. I don't know what I hate more; forced NPC companions or live service ones. Studios forcing me to play companions or multi player is going to turn me right TF off.

Just a complete joke, has to be the worst decision ever. I can still play 1985 Mario Bros, almost 40 years later

Errr... that is a wonder. Even with all this big money being sprayed at Live Service games, there are still *MANY* other games getting made.

Or maybe because emulators are free? With how grocery prices are nowadays I doubt anyone would easily spend 400 on a switch or smth.

I'm still playing Quake and Unreal Gold on a 2 years basis since the 90's. Those games never get old and are completely independent of any current corporate perversions. The fact that Epic completely removed the Unreal franchise from all digital stores goes to show how much of a thorn those (higher quality) old games are in corporate eyes.

@@marcdwonn9772 totally true. recently replaced the god of war games and the skate games too and they are just simply good games with no trickery

@@marcdwonn9772Agree. Most of the games on my PC and Steam Deck are 90s action games.

Perpetual motion machine

Greed has no boundaries

You know what we used to call "infinite growth"?... "Cancer", we used to call it "cancer" 😉😅🥲

I’m afraid the government needs to ACTUALLY govern these fuckers.

I am not a big fan of sweet baby inc either, but that is just nonsense. They do consulting, they are not given executive control over the product.

@@Spacemongerr i thought so too but they have actually forced stories to be completely altered, like yes the head developer might be able to say no but sweet babies contract has a clause that lets them Veto things they don't like, they can just opt to destroy a companies entire game.

@@bobbywilson7662 Really, the developer or publisher hires a consulting firm and gives them veto power over basically anything in the game? Sounds kinda far-fetched. I searched, but couldn't find any information about it. Where did you get this info?

Both are bad. Period

@@Spacemongerr you actually go on their site and go thru the whoile process til you get to the agreement page and read it SUPER carefully, it's usually slapped near the bottom but the wording isn't obvious, cause what it will often say is "the game must be reviewed by them before final publication." basically meaning that if you didnt do what they want, they CAN hold your game hostage.

Same. I LOVE a story driven single player game

Full retail price is a lot less than a couple in game skins

@@harmoen you missed my point. But okay

@@chefcobusfourie3132 My point is that companies haven't forgotten, it just doesn't matter to them. Although we have been getting some amazing single player games in recent years.

Even that has been successfully monetized as a live service (Genshin Impact, for example).

I heard the actual gameplay was good just a bit repetitive. The story is bad and mission variety. Yeah no I think a 60 is about right

@@ramdjow2882 how could you say that without playing the game first? i didn't play it but i don't have to play it so say i absolute hate the UI and artstyle, who cares about gameplay at that point.

@@ramdjow2882 but your pros only reaching at 45, 15 points are extra

@@sinu9226 ui and art style are subjective? if someone did like both they would in fact care about the gameplay. you’re logic is dumb and you’re just looking to hate for the sake of hating. i also happen to think the game is absolute shit, but i don’t go around youtube comments trying to justify that opinion to random people on the internet. get a life.

Game reviewers tend to be really generous. If a move got a score of 60 on metacritic, that's actually pretty good. For example, guardians of the galaxy volume 3 has a score of 63.

A lot of the most exciting games for me are from independent studios for exactly this reason. Nothing better in my opinion than a product lovingly made by one guy in his parents' basement.

2004: hey, wouldn't it be cool if we add this thing? no one has ever done that before... Yeah lets do it! 2024: so i was thinking- NO! BAD! GET BACK TO WORK!!!!

Proof that a diversity of ideas is not always a strength.

This is why executive compensation should be capped at 600 grand a year and make stock options as a form of compensation a felony. Its utter insanity that this shit has been allowed to continue because the games industry is just the easiest to use as an example but its happening in all facets of the economy. This is slowly limping towards a matter of national security. Because when no one can afford the bare essentials and the wealthy just buy up everything we can no longer afford then rent it back to us it will make it far easier to revolt with nothing left to lose

Bingo

it’s been approximately 60 years since this began happening, and each step gets bigger and bigger. It may have started as a limp, but things are looking like a light jog now.

@@dr._breens_beard why you think the focus on cheap gaming? They are the circus of the bread and circus.

That's literally what the video is saying lol

Yup ya can always tell when people are lying about always wanting to make a live service game. The founders and half the staff always leave mid development to make a new studio and a new game in their wheel house like with arkane. They also literally say the most generic shit about why too.

Exactly. People always point to communism and socialism as examples of central planning, when unregulated capitalism just leads to central planning by corporate executives. Decisions made by people completely out of touch of the industries of which they are in charge

I'm going to get into game development, and if I get to the triple A space, I'm publishing all my own games. I'll turn down every publisher unless they follow what *I* want my game, my rules

​@@Dovah_SlayerYou have no idea how the gaming space works then. You'll never get anywhere near the triple a space without a publisher.

@@Code_Dee "Unregulated capitalism" 🤣 If that were true, we would be forced to buy the game at the behest of the publishers because there are no alternatives rather than voting with our wallets. The world of Cyberpunk is a perfect example of so-called "unregulated capitalism," which is really just corporatism (i.e. where mega-corporations run the world rather than government). Shadowrun is the same way. Corporatism is just corrupted capitalism.

And watch, they'll turn into bears soon saying the market is bad, all as the competent privately owned studios quadruple profit and throw out even more bangers.

Honestly it's a case of corporates holding game studios hostage and holding back the game industry for a quick buck.

It's glorious witnessing how little knowledge y'all have with regards to shareholders.

It's one of the biggest problems in the corporate world, in general. The MBA's took over, and so we get companies that are ran by people that don't understand the nuances of the industry. In the 90s, tech companies, gaming companies, were all ran by people who worked in the industry before having their own companies. That passion and industry know how shone through.

Some of the blame also has to land in the lap of the dipshits who keep pre-ordering this shit. NEVER PREORDER.

It's the exact same thing as renting an apartment. The trend of paying indefinitely for something rather than paying once is real and it is everything that's wrong with modern society. As long as there's demand, there will be profit. No turning point, unfortunately - we're doomed.

it worked with mobile users and they try to force everyone else into that monetization some people just dont want junk games

Investors. The cancer that's killing gaming.

They're expensive to make and the greedy bastards at the top don't like the risk of bombing for a single game. Oddly enough they're more than happy to take the risk of a live service game bombing because if it is successful it'll draw way more money than a standard single player game. The risk to reward ratios are too enticing for investors to resist. It's not even remotely about quality for them, these games are just another investment made by people who know fuck all about this industry, it's audience or its own goddamn studios.

I blame the publishers 💯

From their POV that sounds amazing

because they all want to be kotick with a 70 billion dollar payday from big daddy microsoft

I blame their business analytics team, they clearly based their confidence on live service on the one or two live service games that managed to be both popular and well made... without taking into account that their game is not fortnite

.. and thats the problem. They are able to bail safely, taking their money with them, while the studio falls down to earth in a burning pile.

"Executives will never cease to make terrible decisions while making huge bonuses" - This is precisely the problem. I'm reminded of 2005, when H.P. fired Carly Fiorina (forced her to resign) for nearly running the company into the ground, and decided to give her $21.4 million in severance pay. To put that into perspective, in 2004, her salary was $1.4 million and her bonus was $1.7 million, so the severance pay was nearly seven times her total 2004 pay.

Probably the only thing that will fix the issue. Though the issue will ensure this is what happens.

The triple A part of it maybe, but indie games are thriving

Pretty much what's happening to Hollywood right now, take marvel movies for example, or anything disney touches lately, I'm starting to see a similar pattern in gaming too

kenshi was made by one man and these AAA studious think they deserve love

It's the course of nature, all super powers eventually fall, eventually they rise up again.

Agreed. This one is what made me subscribe after lurking for a couple of years. :)

Too bad he always too busy talking only about soulborn games

Falcon is hot too

@@INikeAir What are you even on about?

Mine too, freaking masterpiece!

Agreed. I'm not going to even buy a game until it's on sale these days, and I will never play one that demands a stupid season pass. Being a gamer is getting too expensive these days.

@@criticallard2090 I havent bought a full price game for a few years now, the last one being CoD MW2 a few years back, when they offered a two year run - which never happened... after that I was like never again will I preorder, or buy into something where the potential to be let down is so high.

I haven't bough a game in years that's had "DLC" because nobody's done it ethically in years. DLC on-launch, DLC in early-access, DLC in 1.0 except the game's still an unfinished mess, DLC as paid updates. I'm tired of paying for every 2% of the full game in 80$ increments. Somewhat paradoxically, all of the developers who I would choose to financially support by buying a "supporter pack" premium DLC, are all of the ethical devs who actually respect your time and money and didn't release anything like that.

I never paid more than 40€ for a game in 25 years of gaming (and i'm talking about "on release"). That's my upper limit and this limit has to go down lately because of all the economic downturn. So, good luck to companies asking high fantasy prices of 70€ and up, LOL.

@@DS-cf1zc same I loved COD as a kid Big Red 1 was my favorite and it baffles me how they expect you to pay $40 for black ops 1 on steam I am not going to lie though I bought Helldivers 2 but it advertised itself as a multiplayer game not a single player game with multiplayer and micro transactions

Corporations are being held hostage by employees, which is causing this gaming problem. These companies are keeping grunt work employees around between developing the next idea for a game. The cost of these 100-1000 extra grunt workers are forcing management to push for new games faster keep these employees and not put the companies into bankruptcy. Some of these companies have half billion dollar a year payroll, mean need to sell 6 million copies of a game at $60 every year just to pay employees.

​@donw4889 please. The large parent companies of these AAA studios are still making record profits - meaning "line goes up." They just want it to go up more.

@@donw4889 that is a truly insane take. i mean... wow.

the world in general is kept in hostage by shareholders/investment companies/holdings searching for the next big investment to ruin and impring their bs on.

It seems Capcom is one of the few companies that has figured out how to manage costs. "In late April, Capcom raised its revenue goals for the fiscal year to ¥152.4 million ($977M). The change was done in light of Dragon's Dogma 2's performance, which stands at 2.62 million sales overall."

And then bought out by the Big Studios almost instantly.

​@@taylemgames2652 😂

not really, indy games go viral all the time and it has nothing to do with the state of the market, did you forget minecraft? terraria? undertale? random stuff things go viral, just part of the internet the things is, indy studios don't have the budget to market themselves, AAA studios literally dump like half their budget into marketing, indy studios can't compete with that and having an indy game go viral is pure luck, there's many better games to don't get such luck imo it'd take more than the usual odd viral indy game to say indy studios are getting more recognition, cuz in reality the gap is just getting bigger lol

Everyone knows shareholders don't own computers, so they can't play games.

Thats what is killing games, you can leave out the single player part

So by shareholders you mean BLK and vanguard? Or the DEI and ESG scores they’re given? Your average shareholder has very little to do with disruption of the process of making video games.

I mean, I hold shares and I purchase video games on my home consoles. Also I make purchases on Epic games for my PC at least three times a month, even the crappy ones.😊

Shareholders have zero influence on what games get made.

Maybe they think they know better than us 😂

Their parent company tells them what to make and how to do it.

They stopped listening to gamers and listened to the shareholders.

@@denshonibingo

For a large part it’s because the studios get forced to (BioWare) by the ones who basically own them (EA). Then we also get some studios who get sweet talked into doing it (Arkane Austin) by buttheads with controlling interest (Bethesda.)

If they stop changing good things, then they’ll probably get more money

That’s modern capitalism. I’m not going to soap box on how that’s bad or good. It just is what it is. All the money, never ending growth, no matter how unrealistic.

​@shiftymcgee9359 I'll soap box lol. In the 1930's An economist named John Keynes Predicted that by the end of the 1900's Americans would be working Fifteen hours a week Keynes was a capitalist Who predicted leaps in innovation That would lead to a world in which People didn't have to work To have what they needed to live Food, water, shelter and clothing For the most part, he was right By mid-century the Green Revolution was in effect And has spared one billion people of starvation The world isn't perfect But global issues of poverty and hunger Are in a far better place than they've ever been What he failed to predict Was the unrelenting side of capitalist innovation Consumerism hit the nation hard in the 1950's And ever since Income inequality has gotten far worse Despite having the essentials for people to live We are working more than we ever have To support this unnecessary overabundance of products Demanded by American consumerism And a false scarcity, created by One-sided distribution of resources We are so far removed from the actual idea Of "earning a living, " We use the term to explain Why 90% of us spend our lives making profits For the top 1% that own everything The only thing we're "earning" is more merchandise for A sick, spoiled culture And CEO's that can't profit enough from it We are not an artificial intelligence What part of getting a new phone every year is a fucking living What part of working for Wal-Mart is a fucking living What part of trying to look busy at a desk is a fucking living Who's living are we working to sustain How does it feel to be the latest innovation of a broken fucking system How productive is your self-destruction How free do you feel In a work-culture of burnout Heart disease Anxiety Poverty And depression Capitalism is finished Hypocrisy Scarcity If we're really being honest What'd we trade for fucking objects Me and my pals all got our degrees We're lucky to work Seventy-hour weeks That eight-hundred bucks is time well spent And life well-traded For this month's rent So don't you try to bullshit 'bout efficient ergonomics Reducing my potential down to pushing little buttons Call it the merit of earning a living Feeding hedonistic Adaptation Fifteen hours Bed by ten Burn both ends And do it again God bless American capitalism For cutting the brakes on commodification The incentive to make is all we got With no incentive to fucking stop Streaming, phones and fashion that's designed for obsolescence Look at all the poverty that's come from our abundance Lemme work for cheap For my whole life To feed a star-spangled appetite

​​@@shiftymcgee9359yeah exaclly and the problem is that a huge chunk of global economy is based on constant growth witch is simply not sustainable in a long perspective.

One takes longer and costs more. The other is literally designed to not even be fully complete when launched. So, if you're gonna take a shot on a new IP, why take the bigger risk?

pay to play is garbage, grind to have a smidge of fun is garbage IMO. Its not right that in order to enjoy the thing I bought I'm expected to waste hours and hours of life or money.

That's literally why I stopped playing Destiny 2. I loved Destiny and took a break. But when I got back on to Destiny 2 there was soooo much more grind elements to get the best gear and qualify to do the good game content. I just gave up when I realized you had to spent hours and hours doing repetitive tasks to get a low chance of getting an item you need to upgrad, or even a drop. Nobody has that kinda spare time.

some of the things you said are pretty much why I've given up on MTGArena. paid for a bunchof packs for the 'latest set' and haven't opened them or the game launcher in months

exactly

Online multiplayer game sure OK. but don't you ever say that it would ever be nice in a single player game or you are the problem

And yet they made an even more grave mistake by shacking up with Sony, the worst publisher in the industry. Well... tied for worst, right beside Epic.

true some gamers like one type of gameplay, whereas others like another type

And then Snoy greed came...

@@BenchongDy Still in the top 10 most played games on steam. May not have kept their full potential but they're clearly very successful to this day.

And then they fucked up the game with buffs and nerfs

Or how they were willing to take risks to make unique games.

Remember Titanfall? Remember how well that game did? Remember how good the story was? Remember how short the story was? Did anyone care? Dd anyone even play online? Im sure they did, but the game was ao fucking good that it didnt really matter. I replayed that shit 6 times.

@@sayLeotardbutsayitChinesedude, I played that game (Titanfall 2) online *so much*. A true triumph in both single player and multiplayer. Still one of the best to this day.

before later stage capitalism, way better. now it's not studios consuming others, it's conglomerates consuming studios. an unregulated market has caused an oligopoly in every. single. established. industry.

I remember how great gaming was pre-fortnite…

This. The rich want to make their money work for them so they get richer. 200k a year isn't good enough for a rich guy. He wants 250k next year, 300k the following, and millions the next year, or he's gonna fire everybody involved. It makes me wonder if these mfers are actually human. I've never had money, maybe it does corrupt.

Basically, Capitalism

@@Native_Creationspecifically late stage. Its trying to milk a bubble before it breaks, leaving whoever’s left to hold the bag.

This right there is why the stock market is an absolute mistake. Shareholders demand increasing value in their shares. Until that goes away, nothing will change. We’ll get poorer and they’ll get richer until we have no more money to give them, and the cycle continues.

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YEH! Bro, I agree.

Too bad I’d rather be pulled apart by wild dogs. I don’t do nostalgia.

Live service games are just killing studios in less interesting ways than I can Noita myself.

​@@Saje3DEh I get it but stuff like 'Animal Well', 'Demon Turf' and 'Selaco' are all worth it.

Plenty of indie games that don't run on this. Many better games, too.

Chances are they haven't, at least not conciously.

I’ll bet they have. It’s probably their kid and they hate them for “being lazy” and “not contributing” while also trying to make record profits off the friends of their kids. Their heads are so far up their asses they can’t even recognize the irony in hating gamers while also trying to profit off of gamers

When would have the met a gamer, they've never played a game?

This right here.

YES! The suits know that ESG riddled single-player games wont sell. That's the real reason for all the online/live-service focus. They're not allowed to create good stories and characters anymore.

spot on

Lol yeah but gameranx would never admit that.

Sales money is a gamble ESG money is selling to, what? 500 people? them being the decision makers.

The musicians have been warning us about the poisonous influence of greedy business people since the late 50s. Computer needs imagined that didn't apply to their own art, leading to the destruction of great game studios, too.

Hey hey... these new writers are saving games either...

2017 was one of the best years for gaming for sure

@@SadTown99 2017? I can't think of any good games in that year. Not one. If you're thinking of Mario Odyssey or Zelda: BOTW... then I guess you have only played about 3 mario games and don't understand how tired the concept of mario fighting a spiky turtle that goes "Gwahaha!" is. Not okay to keep doing the same thing since 1986. And Zelda: BOTW is not even zelda, it's just some generic soulless garbage that was made when nintendo became extra lazy and started getting on the "open world sandbox waste of time" trend. They used to be leaders and now they are followers. Best time for gaming was the 90s to early 2000s. So many quality games, these days I STRUGGLE to think of good games out. I was lucky to have been around then.

​@@Vaquix000Holy shit dude, calm down.

1994 to 2014 was best gaming years.​@@Vaquix000

@@Vaquix000 Old man yelling at the sky. Zelda Botw, Mario Odyssey, Nier: Automata, Persona 5, Resident Evil 7, Horizon Zero Dawn etc etc Most early 3D games are straight unplayable

Not just intelligence. It's also when games like these don't respect the player's time.

​@@Tsunami14 true

I'm 37, 12 years ago was already a declining gaming industry. My best games were all before 2012 except for 2 (RDR2 and Witcher 2).

same here, just turned 25

I am 27 and i collect Nintendo DS games and the nostalgia of going to a store or playing a game full of content for only 20-30 bucks without additional payment is just the way things should be. The gaming industry has gone over the limit with their ingame purchases. Even if they are cosmetic, it should only be 1 payment and you get the game with everything. Thank god Nintendo Switch owners almost never have to deal with this. (Unless its dlc or something like fortnite on switch.)

That’s just growing up

Well, I'm 42 and started gaming when I was about 12. Used a C64 back in the days. Had a hell of a ride of great games, but the fall is even greater from my perspective. Today? I cling to games like "X4 Foundations" (X-Series, super nerdy and complicated game, if that's your thing). The most recent game is Dragon's Dogma 2, which is fun too. And I'm actually waiting for 12 years now for Star Citizen. Put money in. It's nerd's dream, to be part of the development, see it growing and more and more tech integrated. But most of the modern games I'm simply not interested in. Either they're too fast paced or the publisher care only about release + game passes, but do nothing about cheaters, hackers and ill balanced gameplay. They simply don't give a f*ck about their products anymore and it shows.

Micro transactions big bother is live service

True, but corporate greed doesn’t fully infect an industry if they don’t think/ know they could make money yet. Industries start off on passion and innovation, then gets ruined when something catches the general public’s eye and makes massive profit. That when these bozos come in wanting a piece of the pie. Thinking they know what there doing, bc they made a lot of money somewhere else

Also, it's companies buying Word for their employees. Almost no regular people are subscribing to it themselves unless they have some kind of professional reason to.

We don't use Word we use Excel, Jesus tell me you don't have a job without telling me you don't have a job.

@@aelinstue9431 are you ok? you sound really mad for literally no reason. calm down its not that important

​...excel IS microsoft, jackass. Go read a book or something because not only was that uncalled for, but it had NOTHING to do with that person's point.​@@aelinstue9431

@@aelinstue9431 We dont use Excel, we use use Google sheets to collaborate with our coworkers in real time for the fast solutions our clients need, you absolute homeless plebeian