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The fact that the 4090 allowed AMD's own architecture to stretch it's legs enough that the 7000 series pulled ahead of the 5800x3D was super impressive in this as well, which I think speaks volumes towards just how powerful that GPU is, that it was able to reveal previously unrecognized CPU bottlenecks as well. The next year is definitely going to be interesting, I wonder if AMD will be able to take the crown again with new x3D releases

That's Great News, Back to you Steve. Sorry couldn't resist.

I would like if you can add a slide to compare ddr4 to ddr5 using a 13600k cause this would be the last time we can really compare them to a new processor so I can check if its worth to go for ddr5

Really interesting how you're testing the 13600K with DDR5, but when you're having those "real talk" moments about platform cost, there's only DDR4 paired with the i5 as shown in the table. There's no talk about how the CPU's DDR5 performance relates to its DDR4 performance, yet you're giving advice towards pairing the 13600K with DDR4 based on DDR5 performance.

I hope they keep the Legendary 3600 around for awhile

Nah, legit legends would still have the 3770k on the chart as I'm still using one!! lol 😁

Absolutely, my son was rocking an FX-9590 for a couple of years since they were so cheap for the longest time, BUT the benefit to not heating the room, is a definite advantage.

@@jackofspaidz_ likewise with my 3300x :D managed to get it for $120 before the shortages hit in 2020.

Agreed. They were legit the only channel comparing the 2080ti to the 4090. Like the 2080ti is just two generations why not compare them?

Absolutely agree, finally, good for you guys! 😊👍

@@BlackhatAudio less saturated

@@BlackhatAudio Didnt you notice the foreground and background are now much more vivid and saturated?

So what is it? More saturated or less? Or nothing? I think nothing since those cancel out.

I actually dont like this fake ass side lighting. Older one was better. This one is LOUD.

And a great time for good deals too! with people buying a new GPU and CPU it means I can get their "old" parts for cheap

The "feirce competition" that has led to a 6 core costing 30-50% more than a 6 core a couple years ago.

@@cm01 Intel wasn't even making 6 core chips part of their i7 line up until the 8700k unless you count the one 6700k but after that they did the 7700k which again was 4 cores it's more like amd is raising the price now that they are in a better position while Intel couldn't even lobby congress enough to help with their new fab meaning the need to actually compete and lower their prices again like they are competing against 3rd gen Ryzen

@@LlamaCraft a 2600 and 10600K were both $220 or less most of the time. 3600 as well. Did you forget all that? Where are these $300 price points coming from?

@@cm01 bro again Ryzen was a good thing for and forcing Intel into subservience to sell products and the 10 series got such a bad rep (rightfully so) that they had to sell them cheaper a 12600k cost 280 if you want a 10 core CPU that apparently is overpriced for a 6 core

Steve isn't being misleading, since he tells us his system setup, but the example platform cost table doesn't tell you the whole story, in addition to being a snapshot in time. The platform cost row with the i5-13600K uses much slower DDR4-3200, which for 32GB is now almost half the price of DDR5-6000, which is what he actually benchmarked the i5-13600K with. For instance, the i5-13600K price is now $250 (-$130), and the 5800X3D price is now $300 (-$40), compared to 4 months ago. All told, for a fair comparison as per the test bench conducted in this video, and additionally factoring in cost of a CPU cooler (since you can't run the CPU for long without it), today the example cost of the i5-13600K with 32GB DDR5-6000 would be closer to: $250 CPU + $80-$160 cooler + $150 32GB DDR5-6000 + $200 (cheapest new) Z690 motherboard = $680-$760 before other essential parts. While the example cost of the 5800X3D would be closer to: $300 CPU + $40 cooler + $80 32GB DDR4-3200 + $80 (cheapest new) B450 motherboard = $500 before other essential parts. In games like FFXIV especially, 1% lows with the i5-13600K would likely drop below the 5800X3D using DDR4-3200. There's a huge difference between the FFXIV benchmark and actual game play, where 1% lows of the i5-13600K with DDR4-3200 would get hammered in areas with dozens or hundreds of players, and special effects going off all at once. Whereas the 5800X3D wouldn't take as much of a hit due to having 4x as much L3 cache, so the slower DDR4 speeds don't make as much of a difference. Another pricing factor (which can be forgiven in being overlooked, since stock values are being tested) is that the 5800X3D can be undervolted much more than the i5-13600K while maintaining full performance under load. With 1.02v on a 5800X3D, temperatures are reduced by over 10 degrees celcius in any given setup compared to stock voltage, which allows a cheaper (but good) air cooler like a $40 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE to be used. The i5-13600K can be undervolted lower than that in idle, but it will automatically go back up and draw what it needs under load, which is about 1.22V. Steve tested using the $160 Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360. The i5-13600K needs that kind of cooling to attain the turbo boost of 5.1GHz on all performance cores with good thermals, but could get away with an $80 cooler for running at stock as tested. So thats +$40-120 onto the i5-13600K system vs what the 5800X3D system needs. So really, the 5800X3D has the overall cheaper point of entry into a relatively higher end gaming system compared to the i5-13600K. Such that it would rightly also cannibalize the 7600X due to higher cost of entry into the AM5 platform.

@@savagej4y241 The costs also depends from where you live , here a 7600/7600x costs around 215 euros while the i5-13600k costs around 320 euros . A goob mobo intel B-chip is around 135 euros while a AMD b-chip is 160 so with shame ddr5 6000 cl30 (110 euros) ram the total combo cost is around : Intel 320+135+100= 555 euros (607$)vs Amd 215+160+110= 485 euros ( 530$). The funny things is for X and Z chips the cost is too close , since you pay around 220-250 euros for Z chips while for the same X-chip you pay around 250-270 euros xD .

@@Crazymusician345 That's a fair assessment! AMD in general seems to be overpriced in Europe very frequently...

@@savagej4y241what would you recommend today ? There is a 250$ i5 12600k bundle or a $400 7700x bundle I would rather put the $150 towards a gpu maybe $250 for an Intel arc or an old nvidia say 2060 I was looking for stealing a 4070 for $350 but it seems unlikely

They look great. I do still prefer the original lighting as this particular set up is heavier on the shadows.

Steve looks majestic with t he new lighting.

Throw in some smooth jazz or jazz flute

@@misterfamilyguy mood lighting, his flowing locks - shoot, Steve can game my nexus.

Well, when the combined power draw of CPUs and GPUs teeter on the edge, and sometimes exceed a kilowatt, you sort of have to turn off the lights a little. Having to repeatedly test different configurations several times to create bottlenecked situations to better represent a component's power also doesn't help. Their monthly energy bill must have risen quite high, I reckon. These high-end desktop components are not called space heaters for nothing.

Check out "der bauer English" review, it cover a lot about the efficiency of the cpu.

@@much_Doggo I know Der8auer and since I'm German I can avoid his accent. ;) Still, Roman and Gamers Nexus are the only ones that put effort into comparing efficiency that I know.

I'm playing RE village on a 5600x I just cap the game to 60fps cuz 120fps is unnecessary, the CPU usage is like 5% during gameplay xD

@@Donnerwamp Techpowerup also does very good efficiency testing.

checkout Hardware Unboxed, they make efficiency and platform cost per frame more and more central to their reviews lately

I went for 13600K and im surprise my rig went well under budget.

Is not crazy, it has higher IPC and more threads, even the i7-12700K should lead over that Ryzen chip.

Same, 13600K has been a solid upgrade vs. my previous 8700K.

i5-13500 also is nice, it seems to be a good upgrade option from my old i7-7700. I looked at Passmark CPU benchmarks list to see if AMD can offer anything close to the ratings of 13500, but somehow I cannot find any of those AMD CPUs in stores in my country for about the same price as 13500, which is 260 EUR. For example, 3900X costs 450 EUR in the cheapest stores in my country. Maybe Intel has a lobbyist campaign here or something 😀 7700x and 13600k both cost almost 100 EUR more than 13500, so I'm not considering them. I'll have B660 o B760 motherboard, so no overclock and not much use for K edition. Also, I'll be using this PC for work all day long and it's better to have lower energy consumption overall.

@@camelCased 13400f isn't bad either for its price, although it's performance is lot less, should be paired with max a 4060 ti or equivalent gpu

Hot literally 😂😂

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i just hope we get the same thing for gpus. speed is great and all, but i need good 200$ options in every category.

This is what happen when amd come on top i wish amd is on top for gpu as well i rather see amd a top then intel and NVIDIA Go amd goooooooo

12100 is the budget king right now

I think all SKUs below 13600 is alderlake and not raptorlake, idk how much that really matters though.

Non K skus will be alderlakes

I wish they would do a cheaper high end 8 core without the e-cores, sort of like they do F skus without the iGPU.

e cores are useless for gaming. would rather have main cores OC able. Rather have an i5 6c/12t with 5.0 GHz than 4.3 GHz with some useless e cores.

Yeah, with all the ddr4 talk, I am surprised there was no benchmarks for it.

I saw some benchmark on some other channels. As of now DDR4 and DDR5 RAM have not much difference in performance. DDR5 is a bit better. But not to the point of excusing the extra cost.

@@parzival3632 I think the extra cost of am5 motherboards over the 13600k with ddr4 motherboards gets you years of potential processor upgrades and other features. Being cheaper with ddr4 over ddr5 at the moment may be a false economy for many buyers.

@@gerryh6385 not very relevant if you only upgrade every 6 years :/

@@jkahgdkjhafgsd if you upgrade every 6 years then I don't think you are a 13600K buyer

2500k was a great CPU!

lol no it will not be good enough that long unless you have low standards. Intel actually has competition now so cpus are about to move a lot faster than back in the day when AMD was putting out garbage to compete.

@@SPG8989 Not necessarily. Miniaturization is slowing down, while at the same time the price/transistor is actually going up, not down. There's not an infinite amount of options for improving the architecture, especially when you're stuck on x86 backwards compatibility.

@@SPG8989 Unless you wanted to hang your wallet to play 4K, any half decent cpu would be enough to push 10 years plus. Especially now that the gaming industry has basically saturated so much. There is zero reason to play game on anything above High and Very High settings. Most people are still playing games from 5-10 years ago, no one really care about new games that much anymore. Steam GPU stat shows that the majority of steam users are playing on the xx50 and xx60 cards, so the 13600k should be plenty to handle this kind of load for a decade at least.

The 12600K already kind of is the new 2500k

yeah we all know this, everyone has to keep posting this comment to keep the fanboys at bay I see

Yea they trying to win the crown of hottest cpu of all time literary 😂

I think that when RDNA3 launches, it will be a GREAT time to build a PC as there will be new CPUs AND GPUs so the high-end buyers will have a new toy to spend their money on and the budget gamers will enjoy the low prices of perfectly fine last gen hardware 🙂

@@Get-Rekt this right here is the truth that budget gamers everywhere hope comes to pass.

@@crylune I Know right??? TEAM RED SECRETLY CRYING HAHAHA

oc3d / overclock3d has a youtube and and article on website comparing ddr4/ddr5 with 13th gen…

Why, DDR4 is dead. Just Buy new platform with DDR5 and move to 2020s

For real I'd say they've taken the CPU crown back from AMD for now. Outdoing them in value and performance in the low and mid range and basically matching AMD at the high end.

@@CNTRI715 And they have the next year covered as well, AMD may hold it for few months as 7800XD comes out, but meteor lake drops in 2023 as well. AMD has no answer till late 2024

@@DuBstep115 actually, it's meteor lake .

Just keep away from scammers like the comment above mine & AMD products (wich are the physical embodiment of these "contact me you are the winner"-comments)

AMD is going to have to improve a lot to compete

R5 7600 NO X

the 13400 is really going to take it to the 7600 I think

@@MHCP Ah yes, can't wait to put a 200$ cpu into a 400$ motherboard+ram combo, such great value.

@@MHCP will all come down to price. Raptor lake is a cheaper upgrade path with DDR4 compatibility.

Just wait for cheapest B650 and A620

I also have the 9700k and was just saying how they haven't had them on charts for several generations and it's only 4 gens old, 3 if you exclude the nonexistent 11th gen. The last video that had it was the 10700k video I think.

I have that same cpu paired with a 3060ti, but I’m curious to see it vs this i5,

@@stevenjohnson1692 non existent 11th Gen ??? Ummmm how about BEST BANG FOR BUCK of that generation the 11400f.

Here I am on a 6700k.. I really need to upgrade holy dann! Can’t wait

@@legowelt0809 12600k has gone on sale a few times in the last week or so ,, fine with a B660 DDR4 if your on a budget like I am :)

I kinda noticed that as well that some games have better frametime consistency when playing with V-Sync or when setting a frame limiter via RTSS. But I haven't done proper testing regarding that.

It totally helps in lower mid level hardware. Im on 2 pcs, one with 12400f b660 16gig 3060 , and other with 12100f h610 16gig and 6600, In valorant they both give well over 600fps, with vsycn on @144 , capping them at 88% gave me around 45% better frame times online and its a huge difference, especially when theres a lot of commotion on a site with many players with too many util being used.

Pfffft . Failed finger painting at kindergarten did we?

I cap mine at 161 fps, I've only got a couple of games that ever drop below that on max settings, but I rarely use them. Maybe this CPU will eliminate that very minor inconvenience?

The 13 family was the fastest ramp of a product in the history of the company.

While the i5 is super good, it's hard to say great price with DDR4, if you use DDR4 on the 13600k you're pretty much having alder lake like DDR5 performance or even worse.

It shouldn't really matter for an i5, the main issue with the i9 was that it was getting a lot hotter and that small coverage difference mattered. I've got an i5-12600K with a corsair 280mm AIO and even in a test that drives it at 100% like Cinebench R23 it never goes over 65c, so it doesn't hit the thermal throttle edge like the top-end parts. That said, it's the exact same socket and IHS specs as 12th gen, so it should be assumed that it will work pretty much exactly the same.

@@1steelcobra I put it on mine so it won’t bend it idles at 28c

Hey, Tom's Hardware posted an article on this. They used the Thermalright frame. Essentially: no noticeable change in temps in the 13900k, between 3 and 12 degree reduction in temps in 13600k dependent on voltage limits.

even though it's a limited production cpu, I'm curious about 5800x3d + rtx 4090 as well

@@proCaylak it's not limited production at all lol

Yes!

With 5800 3d going from 3090 ti to 4090, I seen almost no fps gain. 5800 can’t handle a 4090. I’m upgrading to 13900k. I should have listened to all the reviews saying it will bottleneck.

@@4gbmeans4gb61 At 1080p that is correct, at 1440p and above the 58003DX will be fine.

Prety much what I am looking at but not due to consider an upgrade/replacement till next summer. Just does not seem to a point to i9 on the 12 and 13th gen CPUs. I would rather save some running cost and even under a heavy CAD or Game workload I doubt I would notice the difference.

I’m thinking the same thing and would love for them to benchmark it to really see how much if anything I’d lose with upgrading to the 13700 the thermals of the 13900 is just such an eyesore

Not sure if you saw, but Hardware Unboxed's review of the 13700K determined that it's basically the same as a 12900K that draws 5% more power (hotter) while being 10% faster. Not super impressive in my opinion (a 12900K is already VERY difficult to cool). But at least the price to performance is significantly better than the 12900K. Basically, if you already have a 12900K, there's literally no point to get a 13700K. Or even a 13900K, because that needs extreme cooling better than a 420mm AIO.

The problem with that is you can lose up to 20% using DDR4 with Intel 13th gen, outside of something like a 13400/F I don't see any value there

@@lupintheiii3055 Source : I made it up

@@harone3169 source: it occured to me in a dream

I made a separate comment on this, but bringing 'the total system cost' up and not showing benches that includes DDR4 test kind of males bringing that up pointless, since the intel socket is eol people that buy a DDR4 motherboard today will most likely not upgrade that later to a DDR5 motherboard later.

@@harone3169 He absolutely didn't, it depends on what you are using it for note he said 'up to' - in most instances it's obviously much less than that.

xps 8930? i've got those same specs as well lol

@@explosivescrewdriveralarmm7609 LoL I got my at Costco and it was snail 🐌 slow caca till I added a M2 ssd and more ram . But I've gotten 5 years of good service out it and will keep for back up or second PC

@@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 thats so trippy... i got it from costco as well and added like a samsung 512 gb 970 evo m.2 as well as 16 more GB of corsair vengeance lpx ram lol

I am ordering the same specs, will it work with editing apps?

@@vivekshri uhh maybe? i'd recommend checking the spec requirement list for whatever application you plan on editing with

The only thing that bothers me is did i really save that much in the long run since you are going to have higher power bills on Intel.

@@jayvee8502 It not that different -_-

yep 100$ cheaper than 5800x3D for the same and sometimes better performance. Insane value.

@@jayvee8502 if you're going to count an extra $15 bucks over time, then you should also count the AM5 platform cost which is double the price in terms of motherboards & also the forced DDR5 cost.

$15? You must live somewhere with solar or hydro. Or you mum pays your electricity.

X3D chips were a big hit last time -- looking forward to seeing how they do this time!

I really can't see 2 cpus competing neck and neck here, to be honest. Either AMD cuts the 7600x to ~200 (which would translate to sub €300 here) or this won't be a competition.

@@matteo964 I meant the companies overall but your right AMD will need to cut pricing to compete and from the GPU side we know they are no strangers to doing so.

@@matteo964 They literally don't. It's the same cpu for the same price. AMD has a better platform. AMD wins

@@afriendofafriend5766 cope

The 13600K reminds me of the 3570K. It's so strong in gaming and has enough multicore performance that there's almost no need to look at anything else for a gaming-focused machine.

3600 lmao

@@Kryptic1046 i'm rocking an "old" 9700f and I'm thinking to upgrad to a 13600k/13400 when that drops. Value is insane, and the 9700 is starting to bottleneck at some modern games. It will be a perfect pair to my 3070

@@meurer13daniel - That would be a solid upgrade. I'm thinking of moving from a 10850K to the 13600K. The 10850 does well enough in games, but I play on a 120hz panel and the 10850 struggles to maintain 120 in some areas of CPU-heavy games like Cyberpunk and AC Origins & Odyssey. The 13600K is a very tempting option.

5800x3d i think is more deserving

Z690 board and ddr5 are currently the same exact price as ddr4 boards and memory. GET THE DDR5

@@ihtenubz9697 where tf is *good* DDR5 RAM the same price as DDR4?

@@budgetbajur rip jaws s5 and Corsair vengeance are down in price by ALOT everywhere

You are gonna regret it with intel Cancel the order nowwww

@@asdbef3667 Nah I'm good bro 👍 Thanks for the concern

@@Dlo_BestLife you wont be..its a Dead platform with no cpu upgrade I dont understand how you guys still fall into intel monopoly

@@asdbef3667 I'm using a 12600k & my buddy is gonna buy it from me for $150. The total cost of $175 for a upgrade ain't got me worried man. I got 2 generations out of this MB. I'm solid. The 13600k is gonna be just fine for at least 2 years.

@@Dlo_BestLife waste of money lol Bought two gens of soon to be dead platform and you take them as value?

Yes but isn't AMD's ECO mode not working properly on Ryzen 7000 right now?

Why do people care about efficiency so much? Thermals? Is it ignorant to just say buy a bigger power supply?

You can get much better performance when you undervolt/tdp limit both of AMD and Intel so power efficiency is kind of *irrelevant* here

If you care about efficiency, who even look at these?

@@jamesc3953 because a lot of people build ITX systems.

I’m just popping in to congratulate you on that purchase, and I hope you enjoy the hell out of it.

For me 13600K costs only 10$ more than 12600K lol, an easy choice like this

True. Most of us upgrade because we can, not because we have to.

D o I t

U know you want too

I said to myself "8400??? That sounds ANCIENT" And them promptly remembered that my 4690k is probably older. I think it's time to upgrade...

@@aldousfoxly my family computer is still rocking a core duo lmao

@@aldousfoxly lmfao same cpu. Gonna upgrade after big UK nationwide exam season (june/july) but hope to get a 4790k to extend my 1070ti a bit before christmas

7800x3D*

@@svn5994 They're going to do a 7800X3D no matter what though. More interested to see if this makes them release a mid range X3D.

​@natsumei mass production already started ! I expect announcement at ces 23 and release around march.

The 13400F will be a 12600k with E cores disabled. You already know how it performs.

@@RafitoOoO it will be 6 P cores and 4 E cores.

I just build 13600K + asus 3070 dual OC gaming rig. For the price it still beats any gaming laptop at the similar price range. quieter, cooler , more stable and easier to service.

@@nafis6668 Owner of the 13600K too. I switched from i5 4690K. Insane improvement.

@@teeaymusik9811 it's cool to see the processor goes up to 5.1Ghz, it also adds FPS and reduce render time significantly 😁

@@nafis6668 Even with several programs open and games, the cpu is chillin at 2-5% usage lmao. And yeah for example loading screens at fallout 4 are 50% faster now. The speed is just enjoyable.

It's on 7900x's level obviously (as 13600K beats both 7600x and 7700x by a margin)

@@xslvrxslwt I sure hope so, I was thrilled when the 12700k beat every Zen 3 CPU when that launched. It tied the 5950X only in some cases, but it was also literally half the price and has better RAM support and architecture lmao. Intel forever.......

@@xslvrxslwt I'm keen to see how the new AMD x3d CPU's compare when they release.. The 5800x3d can still hang with raptor lake so hopefully the 7800x3D is as impressive.. For me it's that or the 13700k that I'm interested in

@@Rob13Oz I believe X3D is purely for gayming so I'm not really interested, you don't even need ZEN4 or 12-13gen to game, even $150 CPUs won't bottleneck a 4090

@@xslvrxslwt Yeah provided you have a big display it's gpu bound, I'm starting fresh so I want something reasonable just for gaming

If you're playing at 1080p then go with an Nvidia 3000 series. A 3070 with the 13600k would be insane and you would save a ton of money. 1440p I'd go with a 3080 or whatever you can afford. 4k = 4000 series

Buy z690-F or z690 master with hynix 2x16gb 120-150$ Those boards can push Hynix M die to 6800 stable, almost like a 2dimm boards

You used linux in a sentence. Good job.

How about both? Why only Linux? Why leave out the majority of the market share and appeal to the 2% using Linux? Visual Studio exists.

4k is still GPU bound, CPU comparisons are almost useless.

100%, I'm wondering if I should replace my i7-8700k with this i5-13600K to pair it with 3080 for 4K gaming.

@@Abu_Shawarib Within 2-3 years it may be close. The interesting question I'd like to ask is how long can one hold on to a mid tier cpu before needing to upgrade at 4k.

And also keep in mind that when the game is only hovering around 60 fps @ 1% low, a 10 fps difference can be quite significant and very noticeable vs. a 10 fps difference at 120+ fps. So I think a 1% low benchmark @ 4k would be more important than many would think.

Yep, I’d also be 100% on board for this. Trying to figure out when my 9700K will begin bottle necking me on a 4090 type GPU, when playing in VR. I’d assume not yet, especially since I’m able to supersample past 4K with todays GPU’s, but I also thought similar back when I had a 6600K and upgraded to the 9700K, and it absolutely made a huge difference in alleviating 1% lows/stutters in iracing. 😅

Great job by Intel gen 13th delivering very decent price to performance, meanwhile Amd has been a lot disappointing with Zen 4, not only Amd is overheating but also the Cpu itself is overpriced, r9 7950x is $150-200 more than i9-13900K still Amd can't beat Intel in full benchmark, not to mention Intel still compatible with DDR4. Intel totally destroyed Amd here.

@@runninginthe90s75 Agreed on that.. but it's the end of the road for Intel LGA1700 (660, Z690 & Z790) while AMD5 Platform will run for the next 3 years minimum (2022-2025) A wise man will wait for B650 to hit below $150 spot & pick the non X veriants of Ryzen 7600 or 7700 (or 7800x3D in 2023) if U have the money & want the best Gaming king CPU in next year

@@Jack_Sparrow131 Most people don't upgrade after only 3 years anyway. Most need to change motherboard with every upgrade because of this either way.

The i3 12100 is 140 USD with a iGPU the 12100f is 105 USD. It makes no sense to buy AM4 at last you have the motherboard already. And we are talking about CPUs most people don't need. Most people can be happy with an i5 10400 maybe for the next 10 years. For gaming these new CPUs are just a bragging rights buy. Why a normal person would need more than 120fps? Even 60fps is enough and you can have 120fps with an i5 10gen in any competitive title, the i3 12gen is trading blows with the i9 10900k in gamin and we are talking about upgrading from 12gen?

For gamers, that's really good value. But it's a shame AMD completely bailed on the budget r3 line. Some of my friends and family want a ~$120 cpu with an igpu for browsing and light office work and most have been recommended the 12100 because it has no competition. There is demand for those cpus.

Not a decisively victory. They’re trading blows while AMD has the more power efficient design despite Intel ironically trying to market their hybrid ‘efficiency’ core architecture.

AMD forced them to improve. But to be fair, in power efficiency amd still wins. AMD CPU's overclocks and undervolts easier.

@@pedroduran8927 thats only in the higher end tho didnt the graph show 13600k was more efficient than 7600x and 7700x?

@@rawrmonster6782 yeah, but AMD fanboys are just grasping straws here. Intel wins this gen and they won the Alder Lake -gen also.

AMD seems to be focusing on gaming market and Intel focusing on trying to beat AMD by price on lower end market.

9600K, 10600K and 11600K were complete no goes vs Ryzen 5 honestly.

@@raresmacovei8382 10600 was a steal price:performance. Pretty much all can OC to 5.0, or undervolt while holding 4.8. It was such a strong showing compared to the 9600, which did not have hyperthreading. All 11th gen was meh.

yeah specifically when someone testing and showing some numbers with ddr5 performance complying with ddr4 price cost...little unfair i guess

@@user-xx8tn4kx4l even while using ddr5 the CPU still costs less than Ryzen 7700x which it beats, motherboards cheaper as well.

@@damara2268 not an argue cuz cooling system cost a lot in some cases, and i think intel can afford selling cpu with+\-0 profit just for keepin intelboys and girls

5800x3d is the gaming king still, at least until new x3d CPU(s) drop from AMD

Sure but its bound to old memory. Will probably fall off quickly in the coming years. If anyone is in the market for new mobo, they should definitely skip the 5800x3d and wait for November.

@@alphen9676 i said 7800X3D, not 5800X3D!

But if you buy the latest stuff, you aren't a budget buyer. And even with future compatibility in mind, ddr4 today and ddr5 later makes more sense for the budget. If you want the fastest, 13th gen uses faster DDR5 memory than the 7000 series as far as I know.

just clock it at 5.0.. really no difference.

Wish we can see oc benchmark of i5-13600k.

@@obamalastname34 on actuall hardcore overclocking 13600k 5.6ghz stable

@@rulik006hi newbie here is that stable with arctic ii 420mm? But I won't be using gpu or buying since I'm still waiting to decide my questions is it ok to oc it while gaming premiere pro and after effects without gpu?

@@obamalastname34 yes

Congrats on going to build your 1st rig. what r u going to use a pc for and why the switch? IMO if you are building an entirely new pc. Go with a new platform. Try to keep the cost down and have a budget. Really easy to over spend while buying components. The 5800x 3d is good for ppl that have an amd rig already n not ready nor have the money to upgrade platforms during a recession. I think on black Friday/ cyber Monday. Try to find a deal on monitor and GPU. Those r way more important to focus on while budgeting a rig. Good luck

even am in same dilemma going to build the pc from scratch can 13600k handle 4090 at 4k

Yeah, I had a 10100f and have a 12100f now, in most games, you wouldn't even notice a difference between these and an 8 core cpu, the 12100f can play 99% of games at over 80fps, so that's all most people need.....

@@nix123ism Right. Not to mention, y'know, GPU bottlenecks since most people aren't buying 3090-class GPUs.

Get the 12700K, absolute best value. It preforms right under the top two 7K Zen 4 chips, and is cheaper than both, especially since the Z690 platform supports DDR4.

I just bought the 12700KF when it dropped it $300 on Amazon last week, so you can definitely still get good deals on the previous generation. It just depends if you want to be more skates for DDR5 in the future.

@@aubrey-levreau How is it best value if it's selling for $360 and the 13600 is $330 despite slightly worse performance? I can't use AMD or KF as I need an Intel iGPU for the video editing I do (good for decoding).

@@aubrey-levreau The 12700k does not perform close to Ryzen 7000 when running DDR4. For that kind of performance you would need DDR5-5600 or higher.

​@@rsmith02 8p+4e is better than 6p+8e

People are saying that getting the i7-13700k is better because of their longevity. Is it true that the performance of i5 drops off that much? How are games running?

I runned a 4690K for years and i cant believe how much faster my 13600K is now. It's day and night difference.

6000 series was very competitive. They needed larger dies so they can attack nvidias line up better though.

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Just buy a CPU, it isn't like either is gonna bottleneck for quite some time. And as for a GPU, if you can maintain the thermals, then go for the 4090, the benchmarks are waaaay over 3090 ti. Also go for a 1 kilowatt power supply to be safe.

Get the 4080 it’s a better looking number

If you have the money for a 4090, don't cheap out with an i5, you want at least the i7-13700k.

Yes this please. ^^

You risk needing to upgrade your mobo with both depending on what advances show up in the next 3-5 years*. If you're an early adopter who is likely to be upgrading your CPU every other generation, then sure, AMD long-term will be cheaper IF they maintain the same 5-gen per socket lifecycle. But if you tend to upgrade CPUs once every 5+ generations, you're buying a new mobo next upgrade anyways and Intel is cheaper long-run right now. *For example, Z170 boards only supported SATA on its M.2 ports, while Z270 supported PCIe 3.0 NVMe.