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"We gotta retire older models" ( The Eldar we got like 15 years ago glare with malicious intent)

The funny thing to me is that they're handling the old stormcast models is how a lot of us thought they were going to handle the firstborn marines.

"Those space marine miniatures were OOOOLLLLD, some up to 25 years...." Cries in 30 year old warp spider... Lol

>Call them Eternals >Actually are only Stormcast 9 Years

4:40 when your pile of shame is so large they discontinue your figures before you paint them.

I wouldn't particularly mind them culling SCE range to something more manageable, if it wasn't almost guaranteed that they'll just bloat it right back up in 3 years time

I fully expect every one of the "old" Stormcast models being playable as a "counts as" thunder strike model. A guy in armor with a hammer is a guy with a hammer in armor.

The Warcry stuff is a shame. Some of the best models they do.

Oh you bought the Start Collecting Stormcast or Beasts sets a few years back? GW: Sucks to be you....

The half of the range of stormcast that is going away is my whole army

My roommate has been building up his SE army for two years just to have a third of his army cut by GW, they seriously need to figure out a way to move forward with model ranges without telling people the thing they spent hundreds on are now useless.

I'd love GW to embrace the "sad" side of the Stormcast, as every time they die and are reforged they lose a bit more of their memories and their selves. It has a lot of Dark Souls vibes, but it doesn't come across very much in the minis

The irony of bringing beastmen to killteam, making people think new stuff is sure to come to aos, just to get rid of them.

Why the F**** is GW doing refreshes for models that are hardly 6 years old..... Yet.....*stares at Eldar/Aeldari range* ffs

Beastmen got screwed again.

I can understand the "older" Stormcast models (laughs in Middle Earth SBG), but that's a lot axed for Warcry.

Squatting Sacrosanct Chamber is f@#king crazy. It's like 10th edition Space Marines squatting models from 8th edition.

What amuses me is that people still haven't caught onto the switch GW made about 10-12 years ago. They realized pretty quickly they sell 10x more "new stuff" than old stuff. Now this is a sales tactic which admittedly goes back to the GW retail stores in the U.S. in the late 90's, early 2000's (my buddy was a store manager). GW used to tell store managers that existing customers don't buy stuff, and they're only interested in the new player (particularly kids who can convince their parents to buy them $200-300 in a pop). This morphed a while ago into GW realizing that even existing players just buy the "new shiny". It's why they revamp their game every 2-3 years (and yes, they're designing the 'new' version before the current version is even fully launched). It's why you get a small wave of models for an army...and then nothing for 6-8 years. It's why they let armies languish while launching 10-15 new factions instead of supporting existing ones. It's why they launch a new "major" game every 8-12 months. Remember how big Aeronautica Imperialis was going to be? Gone. Remember how big Adeptus Titanicus was going to be? Basically a dead game. Rememeber how big Horus Heresy 2nd edition was going to be? Sales have plummeted and even KZfaqr's can't make money playing it. Remember how big Legions Imperialis was going to be? Everyone dumped it for Old World. How many Kill Teams and Warcry bands have been made redundant? How many seasons of Underworld stuff can you not buy any longer? This is the FOMO/rapid roll-over of GW's sales strategy. It obviously works as they're tremendously successful. They keep a baseline of players hooked into basic 40K...knowing those same players will blow $250 on "the next big thing"...even if they never build/paint/play it. I know numerous local 40K players who precisely that. They pretend to play 40K but everyone one of them buys the starter box for every single "big new" game GW produces. They're the perfect GW customer. I'm an old school 2nd player, and tried again in 8th (and dropped it within a year). I don't begrudge GW and how they make money - at all. However, I do laugh at players pretending GW isn't doing all of this 100% intentionally. It's not supply chain issues, it's not cerverd, it's not brexit...it's just 100% intentional business strategy.

I have quite a few of the older models - They will become Adeptus Custodes; I call this the GREAT CUSTODIZATION! Prosecutors will be Venatari, liberators will be Custodian Guard, evocators will be allarus termies, etc.

I’m so annoyed they got rid of the Dark Angel lieutenant without warning, at least give us last chance to buy

14:18 I finally decided to buff up my Stormcast collection over the past couple weeks. Bought 2 units of Sequitors, 1 Evocators, 2 units of Retributors/Paladins, 2 Celestar Ballistas, 1 Masters of the Sacrosanct, 2 Lord Celestants on Dracoths and 2 Castigators units from a mixture of the old push fit stuff and 2nd hand multipart kits. Didn't even get to build em all lol

They left me without an usable AOS army

I feel like they should have treated the older stormcast as a sort of veteran series of unit. Heroes of the First Strike or something where they have a minor stat improvement like a better armor save, but otherwise get moved to legends. In the lore you could say that they have been reforged so much that are unable to change and the armor is too expensive for mass mass deployment. Sort of treat it as a changing of the guard where the veterans are still technically better than the thunder strike but are beyond Sigmar control.

Completely agree regarding Stomcasts - the old ones going away is sucky for people who started off with Stormcasts when AoS started - one of my friends has just had his army essentially discontinued and he only bought it about 3-4 years ago. Yes they are Legends but we all know as time goes on Legend units become less and less viable (look at the legend rules for orcs and goblins if you want a good chuckle).

"I'm sure they have to do this, they have thousands of SKU's on their website" Here's a wild idea, how about they stop releasing new models every single week? They won't do this though, because like the cost increases, like the subtle model changes designed to prevent conversions, like the degrading of battle forces and other discount boxes, they're trying to slowly shift us into a churn model where our minis are valid for less time, and we have to buy new ones more frequently.

Hey Jay, I saw your Reaver Titan was showcased in the new Golden Demon article on Warhammer Community! Congrats!

now is the time to start watching the dumpsters of your local games workshop. time to get some free models

The Branchwraith is the old Wood Elf Drycha model, she'll prolly be back in metal.

In related news, fancy restaurant throws out tons of uneaten food amid homeless crisis-Daemons and Fyreslayers unavailable for comment. If only somebody at GW could have foreseen the issue with channelling 50% of your resources into one army that doesn't remotely have the 40 years of lore and build-up-and thus popularity, that space marines have.

Your take on warcry models is so wrong. You know what they are? - An Imperial guard regiments. Instead of assembling the same marauders or wocs you could use instead warcry warbands and make your chaos army truly unique.

Stormcasts had a lot of design overlap. Do people really need Liberators and Sequitors to exist at the same time? Maybe GW should slow down the new unit profiles per edition for them.

How the heck you keep 20 minutes of monologue interesting video after video? Amazing!

Speaking as someone who just got the Soul Wars box set, this hurts lol

A Stormcast skaven has been a kitbash idea in the back of my brain.

Eyy eonist! A little help! Does subscribing to the patreon include access to the old terrain STLs? I really got my eye on the corpse cannery one Thanks

You misread slightly. You can play beastmen and savage orks COMPETITIVELY until 2025. Noones gonna stop you playing those armies casually. Infact my local gw manager said he'd allow them in his in-store tournaments for as long as they have rules

Jay you are spot on. I have a ton of those models on sprue waiting for my kids to build them, which will seem odd if they don't even have current rules.

Imagine loyally collecting the hachette partworks for storm cast 😂😂

I think sacrosancts are the best stormcasts, I hate that they're removing them. Also most of the stuff they're removing is the SC units a lot of people were sold in the mortal realms collection, what a scam.

I'm seriously pissed because not only was I considering some Beastmen as a potential ally for my Khorne, but I was planning to get a bunch of the axed Stormcast kits this year to expand into Sacrosanct. And the way they apparently will strip out the Warhammer Underworlds and Warcry warbands in 4th? Yeah, sucks, those are the most fun parts of my collection. Strangely, it's not even the older Stormcast - Sacrosanct are at most 6 years old. And they skipped over the 1st edition Vanguard and Extremis models. You can't look at the Dracolines and think they deserve being axed or replaced more than the first edition Dracoths, which are seriously blocky and stiff, with weapon options being the only thing to customize.

Hi Jay, do you have any plans to do more painting marathon videos?

The thunderstrike armor is what finally got me to jump on aos models. I love the look of them. But your idea of every race being reforged as stormcast is super cool.

As someone who played oldmarines I’ve gotta ask, but won’t the new models replacing them be newer and bigger and betterer? Won’t they have better proportions?

The difference from playing the beastmen/orc in summer '25 vs fall '25 is clearly, by fall, the AoS Orcs will be getting a codex, thus nulifiying the index cards. Or at least 40k is doing things kinda like that.

this was just horrible too. i just built and painted an stormcasts army for my friend that wanted to get into warhammer all the units in that army are being removed too. real slap in the face.

What the hell is GW doing? Axing a huge swathe of their poster army for a game... Add it to the laundry list of why 3d printer go brrrr

and people will tell you scanning and printing models is bad, crazy how a company can just get rid of products like this

Seraphon are kinda daemons now, and what your describing is kinda city’s of sigmar but they don’t do that in the new range. And every god has his own soldiers so eleves or dwarfs will never be stormcast.

If its any comfort, I'm a Tyranid player who started in 2002. The 3rd edition Tyranid range only lasted 4 years before they were scrapped. And I loved it! 🥳

"Super soldier SILVER guys, who fight against alien and bad guys" - fixed :P

The Skaven models getting discontinued are basically the entire Warhammer: The Old World army list.

The bulky Sigmarines are what first caught my eye and got me into this hobby in the first place, damn shame.

GW: you cant play with your hard earned original minis, they are proxies now, time to buy the new stormcast lieutenants we release

Sigmar has a solid argument, “can you not”? It’s crazy to ax that many. Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!

I read about a group of beastmen in Hyish who divorced themselves from chaos and chose to live peacefully in tune with nature, and who were all unceremoniously butchered by paranoid humans/elves. Been tempted to try and kitbash beastmen stormcast ever since

For me the Sequitors were the most iconic and unique Stormcast troop. The 2e cover was what introduced me to them and that weapon sets them apart from hammer and swords. I hope they get a remaster at least. And Ill miss the deathmask. For as much as I didnt like AOS and saw the stormcast as everything wrong with the new setting, losing so many so soon sucks. The mounted units leave feels like thatll cause a giant hole. And I prefer the hammer lightning logo shields.

I wonder what the actual logistics of the casting plates are. I know some forgeworlds discontinuations were because the mold wore out or broke.

I don't have a horse in this race, as I just don't like the AOS esthetic (too high fantasy for me), but axing so much of people's army is guaranteed 'feels bad' territory. I especially feel for the Beastman loyalists, who lost the army when they killed WHFB, to move them to AOS, then lost them in AOS to move them back to TOW.

You really just came up with the best way to make the Stormcast cool for real, if only they had not just humans.

Literally just got the second half of the Mortal Realms subscription that's been on backorder here in Australia and now all the Stormcast side is just worthless?

When the stormcasts originally came out. In our local games workshop we always joked around that especially this one was the most heroic of heroic orcs xD

Jay: This is Madness! GW: THIS IS STORMCAST! Jay: *kicked into endless pit*

Games Workshop games having to compete with other Games Workshop games is absolutely insane. Or, hell, themselves? The Kings of War discord has been pretty busy with new Herd players, and people wondering what they can use their Stormcast as tho. So that's nice.

The Warcry models were actually pretty great in AoS. Corvus Cabal were great deep strikers. Many if the others were often taken in the Ravagers subfaction for repeated revivals of the units.

I was just gifted a set of Stormcast that consists of all these models. It was funny that they're all losing support within a month of me getting them 😂

My theory is the Sacrosanct chamber is coming back in Thunderstrike armor. The current Warrior Chamber is being updated to Thunderstrike and GW made too many Stormcast characters that did the same thing. You can counts as everything except the Ballista.

There's no confirmation of Cultists being gone or staying just in Warcry, nor if Savage orcs just stay in TOW.

Started collecting and painting Stormcast last year and I can’t believe a load of the models I’ve not long bought and painted are being ditched. Can’t help but feel a bit robbed

Genius idea making the stormcast multi-specicies! That would be so awesome. I can just imagine a Kroxigor in gold armor f-ing sh-t up!

As a Votann player, please GW continue to put Killteams into 40k. We are starving for new units and if the new Jaegirs weren't playable in 40k I would do shameful things.

Ngl I myself was considering getting Stormcaat Eternals as my Sigmar army, but I'm also considering Ossiarch Bonereapers as my main army, I just love the idea of a Nagash army, kinda glad I haven't even begun to collect Age of Sigmar yet and I've been focusing on 40k 😅

As a Stormcast Eternals player I can almost guarantee that the reason that the old chunky armor had to go is because it´s just more difficult to paint than the new sleeker models. The biggest ask for new people is having to paint their new models and easier to paint models on the poster boys army makes perfect sense.

Feels like a pure money grab to me. Someone in marketing decided if they cut these models then players will need to buy something else.

That beautiful 2022 plastic beast lord. I want it. I share your sentiment on the herdstone.

We just collected all the stormcast in the mortal realms magazine. Cant believe they are retconning them

Jay, If you like the idea of the stormcast be a mix of different factions/races then (off course, this is more for the Nagash lovers) check out the ancient history and the minis for "the cursed company"! They where a Dogs of war unit with skeletal mini's including dwarfs, orcs, skaven to name few and with an incredibly cool backstage!

This sucks. Some of those Sigmarine minis did not last long at all. So glad I didnt buy a load of Clanrats and Stormvermin last year, before the rumors of Skaven in 4th edition starter box.

So are the warcry warbands axed from AOS only or from warcry itself as well?

I mean refreshing the old 1st edition minis is something we all saw coming. There has been thousands of years since the Realmgate Wars, and its been rumored for awhile now. Its the Nuking of the entire 2nd edition range of the Sacrosanct Chamber that has everyone peeved.

GW makes some of the dumbest business decisions I've ever seen and it's a testament to their artists that they are still in bloody business

With the new edition trailer, ”Sigmar lied” I hope that they go abit more grimdark elite warriors with the Stormcast. With a new AoS normal Human range now in place it would be better to have the Stormcast more akin to custodes in 40K, hence a smaller range of models. Such Stormcast would also be a good introduction/brand army of you can get it on the table without needing too many figures.

3d printer keeps paying for itself.

My SCE joined my white scar army. I laughed . I fully expect house Goliath to be blown up with the entire Hive Primus on Necromunda. Bought Asteria and two boxes of mounted evocators for christmas. Comical.

I wonder if there's enough space inside the Herdstone to hold the full Fellgore kill team? lol

Around 8k of my 9k Stormcast army is now gone. Good job GW

I clicked on the video because i saw the ballista. I have the dominion box, and i added to it with a unit of the castigators i bought from GW, and 2 units of 3d printed ballistas. Also had plans to make a beats of chaos army, centered around the minotaurs. Big sad. Maybe i will catch the battletome and warscroll cards on clearance i guess lol

Sucks to be players with those armies. But this is very much a GW exclusive problem. Corvus Belli still allows ancient sculpts back from 2003 to be used in the most current edition of Infinity with new rules updates. And when they discontinue model lines, they allow those discontinued models to count as different current model, with lore reasons for why they are filling their ranks (look at magister knights -> teutonic knights for an example). No reason why GW can't do this. And if you look at MalifauxThe Other Side, ConquestConquest First Blood, FirefightDeadzone, BattletechBattletech Alpha Strike, and even 40kKillteam, models/factions are allowed to have dual purpose in the skirmish-scale game and the army-scale game. There really isn't a good justification for why the Warcry models no longer get support in Age of Sigmar. They don't even have to have unique rules, they could just be alternate sculpts for existing units. Yet again, GW doing GW things. Anyways, if people really want to play with their GW models, just switch to One Page Rules. Alternating activations, free army builder, and miniature agnostic. The time spent building, painting, and collecting models will never lose value after only 9 years like they do in GW games.

As a note, the Branchwraith was eliminated from the Sylvaneth battletome in 3rd edition. You're thinking about the (plastic) branchwych.

I think it’s very odd that the horns of hashut watch band are going away but the warband they launched alongside in the same box are not…my hopium is that this is to pave the way for them to be a real unit in a chaos dwarf range

they gotta force you buy new stuff. what better way than to make your old purchases useless.

I already have all the original storm cast models so I'm not super bummed about it, kind of excited to get newer models of all the old ones especially prosecutors because those old models were a nightmare to use

Your idea for Stormcast is almost TOO good.

I don't play Age of Sigmar and I don't intend to, but I've recently started playing WarCry and got myself an Iron Golem warband... Does anybody know if this announcement means that all these Slaves to Darkness warbands miniatures are discontinued, or just removed from Age of Sigmar?

I actually finally got talked into playing AOS by the players at our lgs and I just bought and built the beasts of chaos vanguard box, beast master, and the herdstone. The posted the axing before I even got to primer them lol I’ll still play w them these next few months tho

anyone now when this min is will retire. a lot of the warcry stuff is out of stock everywhere - do you think there will be another batch to buy, or is it over?

I love the new models, I think they're far superior to the older ones (which I also have a lot of!). I still think this was too heavy handed though. I'm still not sure what the reasoning is.

I don't play AOS but I miss the golden boys

This was incredibly unsurprising, if anything it was inevitable. With GW's constant issues with keeping kits in stock and the massive bloat of kits in several ranges (Stormcast being one of the more blatant examples) something had to give. I expect more cullings of models in the next few months in the same vein of Forgeworlds Last Chance to Buy debacles.

the reality is all the unsold SC models, of which there are probably tens of thousands, will likely end up in a landfill in indonesia or some place like that. GW couldve just put all the models on an 80% discount until they were all sold, so at least collectors could buy them for bits if needed.