Well you van thank Sydney for that

Same ngl

> the boys You could also say... the Egg Boys.

@@echidnanatsuki882 Well played

Yea, hearing the boys talk about it is like if they started talking about Tumblr

And then issekai'd to heaven

Now THATS how to hype Garnt for Hazbin 101 XD

Isn’t that how you normally get to Hell?

And they aren’t in the constant focus for once.👌🏼

People get isekaid to hell in general

Within 6 months or something ridiculous like that as well

“John jay got sick after writing 5, James Madison wrote 29, and Hamilton wrote THE OTHER 51!! dunDunDUN how do you write like your running outa time…” it always lives in my head rent free.

@@jadee991 yeah that's it I love that musical

Leslie's delivery of that line really packs a punch

Non-stop fr my favourite song from the musical

Fandoms ruin everything. That's why I stay far away from every fanbase. The shippers alone are always a cancer.

​@@Wurstbrot03 I would say the Hatedom is more insufferable than the fandom.

Sometimes you just gotta separate the shippers and powerscalers from the general fandom. The R34ers are goat though.

I think I’ve been fine with the fanbase because I’m never on Twitter, so I barely get any of the “controversial” takes.

​@@triggerfairy4070 R34 artists are the true fans

My thoughts as well! It's also why there's a big passionate/vocal fanbase - there's a lot that rides on an indie animation that's possibly going to trailblaze for other indie animation too.

@@Scarshadow666 Still hoping that Murder Drone and TADC get funded, MD is legit one of my favorite shows of all time.

@@RGC_animation Digital Circus getting this treatment and getting a Pixar level animation team behind it to help Gooseworx's team out would be incredible.

The pilot got 98 million views of course prime video saw it

If we don't get Helluva Boss easter eggs :,) But yes I agree! I'm so excited to see my sister to say she was an og fan of Murder Drones if it ever becomes a licensed series. She's been watching it for so long now and it's been so hard finding gifts for her. same with Hazbin and Helluva.

Yeah, but even as someone who likes the show here, that's a lot of time to invest before you find the one thing that hooks you.

you're a random person to ask, but do I gotta watch anything before starting it on Prime? and if so then what? I think it looks cool so I wanted to start it but then I saw everyone online and got scared of the lore because it already has so many hardcore fans XD

​@@solacee4327the only episode before the Prime stuff is the pilot episode on Vivziepop's channel. It's canon but a lot of the concepts are reintroduced in Prime.

@@solacee4327There's very little lore actually, a lot of the old stuff has been changed / retconned, so don't worry about it! You only need the pilot episode (uploaded on Viv's channel) and then you're good to start the Prime series

@@nashi998 alright cool, thanks. Thought there was more because it already has such an intense fanbase, and also wasn't sure if that was necessary or if they changed everything. I'll do that though, thank you

Yea I'm sad he stopped at 3. My friend also stopped there

​@JustaGeek2400 i stopped at 1

@@moonwhooper that's fine I would suggest that you watch at least up to episode 4 but I can't force you to and I understand not liking musicals I don't like musicals generally really it's just hazbin hotel that I really like but I do understand

@@moonwhooper well understandable. Not every media is for everyone. I was more on the train of thought that both of them watched the pilot (my friend liked the pilot not sure with Garnt) and then when the show came out, they dropped it at 3 especially for me 4 and above really picked up. Don't get me wrong there's a lot of flaws in the show even in 4 and above but it's a fun aesthetic show and it's pretty short (which is a reason for some of its flaws) . I just wish they pushed through the growing pains a little but at the end of the day understandable.

@@Thehenta1menace i actually do enjoy musicals, this show just didn't do it for me

I was just about to comment on that lol. Like it's kinda ironic

Yeah but except the swearing one, that one's valid it's pretty distracting

It's like kids thinking growing old makes them adults. Swearing is not a means to an end, it's just a byproduct to vent anger.

Fuck you on about? Garnt said he didn’t like the obsessive swearing and that’s not a problem in anime whatsoever. The lot of them didn’t like how vile the community seems to be. Hazbin hotel fans in this very comment section even admit they’re terrible. Fans like you are here proving it 😂

Sometimes musical can really ruin the mood of a scene but if done right then musical is great...

Idk man, considering the quality, it just makes me think you will only rise if you are EXTREMELY popular and vulgar, not good Take anything Olan Rogers do and compare how he had to struggle to keep anything at flow, only to be consistently canceled Hazbin Hotel did open a door, but I am not so sure it will open opportunities to well written shows

@@leavemealone802 I don't like it because it's vulgar, I like it because it feels authentic enough not to avoid saying a few bad words here and there. Them exploring real-life problems is also a plus.

@@leavemealone802to be fair A24 picked it up due fo 1. They are trying fo see if it’s worth going into animation since they are known for quality live film/shows. 2. Timing wise the trending animation when they started this was hazbin hotel. They said sure, give x amount of money to viv to acquire it, label it as A24, stream it on known platform like prime video and see where it goes.

To be fair it’s a very easy binge. The first season has 8 episodes and each ep is around 25 minutes long. Include the pilot and that’s about a 4 and a half hour binge. So you can watch it in a single afternoon.

​@leavemealone802 I mean its no different from The Boys to me since that series also has vulgar dialog and lots of dark humor. Plus its an easy binge unlike some Mcu shows *cough Echo*

I don't like her, to be honest.

@@jackjames7283She definitely isn’t my favourite character, but I think that she works as a main character

@henrysurev6908 a bland one, but yes.

Charlie's extremely effective as a foil to the others yeah

she is better than that. she is an indie princess!

I think Hazbin did this with it's musical numbers.. the songs moved the plot forward and didn't grind things to a halt. Also the singing is called out several times in the show, like after Husk and Angel sing "Loser Baby" the sharks come out and go "they're SINGING!?" or when Charlie first sings "Happy Day in Hell" Vaggie is like "oh no... she's gonna break out into song.." Even in the pilot Vaggie tells Charlie not to sing and Charlie just goes ahead and sings anyways.

That's exactly why I dislike most musicals! I hate how the songs just launch out of nowhere, add nothing to the plot and grind everything to a halt only for everything to suddenly resume as if nothing happened. Hazbin Hotel actually uses the songs to progress the plot and that won me over

@@bradencosier80 Thats defiently what a good musical should do! Not all musicals are equal lol

⁠@@raphaelllorens2919*Most* of the time, I think that’s true, but I think the hard commit to “two songs per episode” hurt the show in the end. It’s very obvious when the songs have to effectively drop all lyricism for a line or two so the characters can talk. That, and I skipped the song right before the climactic fight because it absolutely grinds everything to a halt. Majority of the songs were solid, though.

Yes, this is why I used to think I didn't like musicals. Turns out I was just watching the wrong musicals

Same😂

I’ve heard it irl from my American friends, it sounds… weird. I think because we’ve absorbed so much media where swearing isn’t allowed. *But* one of my friends just cannot swear with her specific Detroit(?) accent, it sounds absurd, she says like “f-yuck”.

@@Rossy167 So she sounds like goofy trying to say fuck? I can see why that sounds absurd.

@@Forwaken sounds like a certain vtuber ngl

I was thinking the same thing. I'm like... were people just being friggin polite to them when they were on tour here? I hear it all the time!

Hell is Forever IS a banger. There are so many great songs in the show

Hell is Forever reprise too! Gave me literal chills

@@kirsch3 "If Hell is forever then Heaven must be a lie / If angels can do whatever and stay up in the sky / The rules are shades of grey / If you don't do as you say / And you make the wretched suffer just to kill them again!"

I think the pacing was great, they didnt go with the third arc breakup cliche to pad the season

@@triggerfairy4070 yeah I also didn't really have that much of a problem with the pacing, in fact I preferred it over Helluva Boss's where they drag on way too long over characters I really don't like or care about.

@@CobraTrouser the season was wrapped up pretty cleanly and proved the MC's goal is achievable.

I agree that not having Charlie and Vaggie break up from miscommunication or whatnot was nice. @@triggerfairy4070

I think the pacing could've beeen better if it tried to tackle a few things at a time than trying to juggle so many things so fast. Perhaps it would feel smoother if Season 1 is a reintroduction to the setting and the characters, getting proper advertisement to the hotel, and receiving a few actual guests while being shown some of the main characters' quirks, backgrounds, and personal problems. Some problems like Charlie and Lucifer's resolution felt like they were solved too quickly over a few words and a song and there are a couple of large timeskips as well. P.S. This is from someone who used to like Hazbin Hotel, but gave it a shot to see how much it progressed.

Right!! It's like adult late night Nickeleodeon vibes 🥰

It was nice to get an adult cartoon that wasn't just another family guy type show, and cartoons like what u see on adult swim and comedy central. Felt refreshing to get something way more unique

i know a lot of musical theater fans who are watching specifically because of the cast.

its funny how people got made at the recasts when if you know anything about viv is that she has had a list of people she would love to voice her characters before the pilot even came out.

Which is super ironic as Alastor's old VA completely nailed what felt right for the character, while the current one just sounds...off.

@@mattandrews2594 That’s your opinion I guess. I like his voice in the series tbh

@@mattandrews2594 No, they sound slightly different in neutral ways.

The fandom is fine.

@@somethingcraft3148 everywhere except twitter. But everything sucks on twitter lol.

The fandom is fine. It's just Twitter.

@OldSchoolLanParty Ahh, but who cares about Twitter it is and always was a cesspool

The fandom is ayt, Twitter is the problem. As usual.

I think they’re just millennial core, gotta go with gen z reviews

@@Randomositysweet yeah I love the boys but most of their opinions on modern media are in line with the podcasts name sadly.

@@christopheralvarez1551 yeah love the boys don’t get me wrong long time sub; but they are married rich dudes, it’s not really the target audience. I’ve never liked a musical but the hazbin songs really got me and the fan base ISINT that bad compared to the anime scene.

​@@christopheralvarez1551 At least the title's honest? 🤣

@@Randomositysweet I definitely agree there. Although it’s ironic because I’m the last of the millennial generation 1995 and absolutely loved it. That and Helluva Boss.

it’s…. not fire but it… it just is… good enough, yknow

​@@mavisseafoam it's very good, but if you don't enjoy the show, you're obviously not gonna enjoy the season finale.

@@DearNightlight that’s kind of stupid to say. I agree the season finale was one of the best paced and written episodes in the series next to Ep4, but there was almost no follow-up for a lot of characters (like Rosie or Mimzy, like why were they even there in the season) . I like the Adam fight and the Alastor song, but also I don’t like the weird commentary Vox kept giving about alastor. They sing about a power vacuum in the end which could be interesting but then they just immediately bring alastor back again

@@mavisseafoam Was probably part of a old concept they forgot to take out. The part with the Vees was weird. There's gonna be a second season, it's already greenlit, so there's obviously more to touch on with characters we barely saw. A simple introduction of a character and their personality is one if the best way to grab intrigue for them. Rosie was important btw, I'm sure you know.

it's fire@@mavisseafoam

well said. 🙏

i ain't reading all that but true

@@kiro4279 lol fair enough I ramble a lot 😭

Bro is trying to get an A

Because of how much anime and Western animation take influence from one another, I think the Trash Taste guys could afford to watch more Western animation, maybe even make some all Western animation 3x3s. That said, Hazbin Hotel definitely wasn't made with weebs in mind. I saw the original pilot once in 2019 when it came out and once before watching the main show, and I watched the first episode of Helluva Boss when it came out, and I was initially confused and thought "how does the spinoff have more episodes than the main show now?" and then I learned that it's because the pilot was straight-up sold to A24 and couldn't have more episodes of it be made for KZfaq. I have definitely been looking for more hard TV-MA-rated musical adult-oriented animated series that use darkly comedic (or sometimes just dark) songs to help potentially touchy topics be conveyed easier, but the way shows like She-Ra and the Princesses of Power and The Owl House ended made me tired of really deck-stacked religious criticism cartoons, and things about Hazbin Hotel possibly being a version of such a show that didn't have to hide behind allegory (that got increasingly less allegorical and more in-your-face) thanks to it being explicitly for adults unlike She-Ra and Owl House weren't getting me excited for it. But then I started watching it, and it's enjoyable in a vacuum, and the music is good, especially when Keith David is singing, hence why "Loser Baby" is my favorite song from Season 1, although I think it would be better if either its versions of Heaven and Hell took from a mix of religious mythologies, like Vivienne Medrano said it would when in the final show it's really just based on a God-and-Jesus-free cherry-picked version of Christianity, or if there was a God-like figure comparable to the talking constellation from the Futurama episode "Godfellas" or like the Frances McDormand God from Good Omens that is flawed and struggles with Their job but is ultimately trying to earnestly and non-spitefully do what They think is the right thing to do, even if They maybe get a few things wrong along the way. For that reason, I think that Owl House is ultimately better concept-wise than Hazbin Hotel, even if Papa Titan is essentially a fusion of the "best" qualities of God and Satan, and my opinions on the circumstances behind Owl House's cancellation are complicated, to put it mildly, and not fully in line with the narrative of its cancellation circumstances generally preferred by fans of the show. Also, yeah, Hazbin Hotel's more frequent use of the C-word compared to even other animated shock comedies can be jarring, but it's still nowhere near as much as Billy Butcher on The Boys uses it. Maybe Hazbin Hotel can get away with it due to it being developed by a woman and the person saying it the most being the ludicrously misogynistic main antagonist of the first season Archangel Adam (it's probably also why characters still say "bitch" in a noticeably misogynistic way in Hazbin Hotel even when it feels like not as many "irreverent" shows are using it like that, with some stuff, like James Gunn-directed stuff, having male characters that aren't supposed to be immediately condemned as sexist call unpleasant women "dicks" instead of "bitches" in a way that sounds really awkward). To me, Hazbin Hotel is more "frustrating" than actually "bad." And the poor pacing is likely because of Prime Video always giving its shows eight-episode long seasons when longer seasons might help (although Legend of Vox Machina is one of the few adult-oriented animated series on Prime Video to have twelve-episode seasons instead of eight-episode ones, and that tends to have bloat to it, although I just don't like Vox Machina in general because of feeling like, even compared to most other modern animated shock comedies, it feels like it treats swearing and sex references like jokes by themselves rather than situational stuff that makes their usage funny, which I think is the result of it being adapted from a D&D podcast, where it's easier to get away with that than it is in an actual narrative animated series with a firm fourth wall). But yeah, if the guys are going to talk about Hazbin Hotel on the podcast, they should talk about other Western animated shows too, and maybe give their take on why anime has always been for all age demographics and in all genres but Western animated TV series for adults that aren't primarily shock comedies didn't really catch on in the West until the mid-to-late 2010s.

I love the swearing lol I think it's hilarious. Every adult show has swearing so for people to get mad about that is just laughable.

@@filmfangirls9163 Yeah they swear so many times in this podcast alone. The irony

THIS, you're the only guy that gets it

My one thing about swearing is that it can come off as very try hard if it used exesively and not thus feeling unatural. BUT this is the way for all media to me, its not exclusive to animated things.

Hazbin swearing is like Panty and Stocking swearing. Its part of the gag

Idk to me it feels a litte juvenile when it is overdone. The only people that feel the need to swear every five seconds are teenagers.

I mean, it absolutely is edgy and tryhard. No, the vast majority of people aren't swearing every second. Hell as a concept has been done to death as well.

It was religious people that were upset

SP has plot, its just that the plot are episodic

@@triggerfairy4070 that’s what I was trying to to say Ty

​​@@Aqua1515yeah calm down. You're projecting a little too much there. Not everyone needs to like the shit you like.

@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme you're coming out more upset than they are.

Agree 100% with this. As someone who is not a native english speaker, i had no problem with hazbin, but when i hear swears in movies in my home language it's just weird

Swearing in Castlevania was great though.

@@matthewjutzen424 not really

@@thomasffrench3639well that is just your opinion , not fact

@@exilemorin04 never implied it wasn't, but it suffers from that writing problem of just using cursing as filler words. Like I don’t buy that kid raised in a castle Alucard or a lady like Sypha would be dropping F-bombs all the time. It works for Trevor, but that’s it.

I think it’s because most people like musicals, and they don’t really realize it until they find a good one.

Making the musical numbers mean something is a big thing for musical products. That's why Let It Go was so popular when Frozen came out. Hazbin Hotel, surprisingly, has a lot of musical bits like that. Of course, it also helps that the music often shifts to fit the characters and not the other way around, though the vice versa can work if done well.

You should watch the pilot and Helluva Boss next (it has less songs and is more violent). You probably do like musicals though, just like every genre has bad films, you probably just haven't seen many good ones/ones that appeal to you. As for why people like Hazbin, the characters are well written, it has good lore and the animation is brilliant.

Because the songs aren't a waste of time and actually move the story along

@@KlukePhoenix I mean that's true with most musicals, although songs have more to do with character building.

Blue eyes samurai

​@@alchemistofsteel8099 it's more like an anime aesthetic

Yea, but swearing itself isn’t a joke like the show seems to think

He's supposed to be a silly fella

They are also..... british

@@icakiee3774damn I’m dumb as shit I just fucking forgot they were British too holy shit

Something can be amazing and weird. Both of those things are incredibly subjective also

I watched the first episode, definitely weird

Hazbin is weird, but 100 Girlfriends is not apparently

i just hope it doesn't fall off like helluva boss

Probably cause theres no implied incest

They did a great job of making it so you aren't feeling lost if you HAVENT seen the pilot. Going back and watching it is like...oh holy shit I missed a lot. But you don't need to see it to enjoy the show.

I’m religious but I’m not a dumbass that can’t differentiate between works of fiction and spirituality

Aintnoway I just read “HH” as H*ntai Haven LMFAO

Time to have you’re “are we the baddies?” moment

That is a terrible barometer for something being good.

@@liamd8918lmao XD

How?