What a chad

Garrosh was the unsung MVP of MoP, and quite honestly, of the Horde in general.

Please garrosh video :3

May the "FUB" ring vicotorious. Plat, you are the best of the best.

Anduin: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Garrosh: How about BONK

I've always been mixed on Garrosh - always felt like he could have justified his Alliance hate with "Allies too weak to protect Azeroth, Horde should do it". But his tenacity was there at least - no Old God horsecrap, no corruption by Demonic Influence, he believed what he believed to the end.

Our true Warchief

The greatest warchief the horde ever had.

@@BlueShellshock Most of the time its ally characters that save Azeroth... What do you mean "no Old God horsecrap" ?! he used the heart of Y'Shaarj.

@@Anthony-eo3ro Half. He used its power, but was he ever 'corrupted'? He was a warmonger long before he had the heart, and never changed from that ideal.

Main problem is that Garrosh as a villain had zero actual buildup compared to Garrosh as a responsible figurehead, so he just comes off as a separate flat villain that has nothing to do with what you see a single expansion earlier.

How did he appear as a simultaneous Blundering Barbarian and as a technical architect Mastermind who was able to reconstruct Goblin and Titan technology to a bunch of Orcish Nomads who were previously stuck in the Iron Age

If anything, we can see Sylvanas here already indifferent and taking a cynic approach to the Horde and life as well, I suppose. Can't say much about already having the plan in motion, but wouldn't be surprised. Actually, after watching this, doesn't seem that characters were that badly written. Garrosh was here for what, 2-3 xpacs? The others have been here for years, it would be bad writing if they had a linear and stale personality imo. They went through things, experiences. For me it's just a shame that Blizzard features characters in some xpacs and totally 'forget' about their existence in the universe. Like Khadgar, Velen. The world of the living and the dead is hanging by a thread but Khadgar only gives a shit if the threat is the Burning Legion xD

aside from the that part in Stonetalon, where he claims not to be murderer and is honorable then went and committed warcrimes lol.

@@cazabrow1967 shhh shhh lokgay ogar

Let's hope a content creator decides to remake this in HD like other cinematics

I don't think you understand what "incomplete" means.

cata, warlords, and bfa: first time?

@@borgri5871 First time WoW actually showed us what we ended up with, instead of leaving the 'joy' of discovery to us.

@@borgri5871 Don't put Cata and WoD in the same shit catorgory as BFA and Shadowlands.. at least the class design wasn't designed for retards in Cata and WoD like it is with those last two Disney expansions, Cata and WoD absolutely shat on BFA and SL

Honestly, The expansions all had their ups, even with the uhh... less than satisfactory ones *cough* BFA and Shadowlands *cough*. WoD was a fun start, but filled with so many broken promises, rushed lore, and mindless grinding. The actual levelup story was fun. But the post game was... lack luster. But it did actually have great moments in between disappointment. Garrosh's death was surprisingly emotional and well done. the end cinimatic in Talador was really well done, and was great on its own. The raids weren't bad on there own, just lack luster. The fun dialog we got between Thrall and his parents. Yrel's early game story was good (rushed the second half, but first half was good). And Grom was surprisingly well written for the mess he was later in. Cata was fun, and had a lot of good ideas. But it bogged down raiding for some people. Sure, the game was more accessible, and proper good gear came from actually forming up raids and doing them properly, but it did implement the mess that was the original lfg and lfr. The lore was also a let down at the end, as killing Deathwing did feel like Thrall stole it from us. BFA, while a let down, actually had good decisions. Sylvanis going evil will always be divisive among fans, but it was foreshadowed as early as Cata. And they never hid the fact she was an antihero at best before that. The story also had good beats, like Saurfang's story. That said, N'zoth felt uneeded. Azhara was horribly shown off. And she didn't get to be the big bad of an expansion, like prior expansions played her out to be. Add in the grind for allied races, which was, in some cases, longer than it needed to be, and you get an expansion that honestly had too much bad to be fun. Which only got to be worse cause it came off Legion, which was an actual fun expansion in both levelup and post game. It had a few minor messups, like giving up our weapons to dealwith Sargarous's blade, but was still fun. And finally, the "cinematics" like Garrosh's second death makes these moments feel... insulting to what they are trying. Honestly, we have seen them do good cinematics, and beautiful cinematics. Hell, people get hyped on expansions because of the promo cinematics. Even expansions that flop get hype rolling because of them. Cata, BfA, Shadowlands, and WoD all have beautiful promo cinematics. Heck, we have seen in game cinematics, like in WoD that, while not as good, made you feel like your journey to get that far was worth it to some degree. These though, which have been used in mass across modern WoW, but really took over in BfA, rob you of it. hell, even BfA gave us more in game cinimatics than Shadowlands. And better ones on top of that. All said, the lore can still be saved through a Star Wars style show. Add in a few details here and there, replace a few let downs with more detailed story, and boom, you can salvage these messes.

@@VA_Nightshade Tbh, Azshara and N'zoth should've been mentioned within Cata not BFA, it just didn't made sense why that arc in expansion. It felt such a mess

as should everyone , the game has been going to shit

Decided to reincarnate in FF14. We lost another one, boys. :(

@@ProtossTempest Son of Hellscream destined to become a weeb... what a sad fate

Yawn

@Holo Lives Matter Everyone allready is unsubbing. But Blizzard will not go broke. Most of the political ideological subversion is financed by special interest groups that usually fund big corporations, in this case Activision so much money that profits from consumers become second priority and appeasing these investors become main priority. This ideological subversion is going to end when we get a new Order out of the chaos.. Ordo ab Chao. A Great Reset if you will. WoW went from a juggernaut 12 mil into what it is today... most likely less then a million by the end of the year.

Kinda sums up the Orc life span. Although it did take Saurfang more than the average.

Saurfang went out like a progrebitxh with that For Azeroth shit

Blizzard Activison 101

I mean - the cutscene was just poorly put together. a good cutscene with this would have been great.

Garrosh deleted himself before Blizz had a chance to "fix him with redemption arc" He outplayed the writers.

Yeah i don't know how they ruined such a good exp in one patch. Castle nathria will never be topped in shadowlands

well at least i can use him in my crusader encahnt

The animation sucked. He deserved better. RIP Warchief

@@cryptofud3161 unfortunate they just had that new cinematic engine for 9.2 That Sylvanas and Tyrande cinematic scene was amazing.

That'd be great! OG Sylvanas is great!

@@mrmikef10 And it turns out that Bolvar has always loved Sylvanas🤡🤡🤡

Of course they are gonna leave Syvanas alive and have her somehow forgiven.. welp, even more reasons for me to like Greymane for his (ir)rational hatred of her!

*Nathanos's soul drifting out of nowhere* Sylvanas: Nathanos! is it over? Nathanos: No queen rules forever.... my queen. Bolvar: There must always be a Banshee queen.

Death to the Banshee! It's time she answers for her crimes against Teldrassil! Against the horde! Against Saurfang, and the thousands dead to fuel her new powers! She killed far more than Garrosh ever did!

We got the Sylvanas loyalist questline but no Garrosh loyalist questline. Sad face.

Work, work

I just wish Vol'jin was allowed to be a Warchief...

him, and Greymane for wanting Sylvanas to go in the trash

No, the Jailer is since he wants to undo the "Makers" flawed design (blizzards design choices) lol

@@tooth1539 Just wait until we kamehameha'ing the Jailer out of existence in the next patch, lol.

yeah... it is sad. a random main scenario quest from ffxiv even had cut scene with better quality than this

What did you expect from Blizz?

@@happybalint nothing, never will, little less than 10 years I've been waiting for them to bring back arthas, now I really hope he is lost forever to the maw, they won't do him any justice if they bring him back now.

@@darzeon i agree

@@darzeon They already ruined Arthas by increasing the scale of the jailer,

Agreed. I wouldn't have minded him as a warmonger, anti-Alliance if it was at least somehow consistent with the whole "Redemption of the name Hellscream."

I agree, but I also liked the idea of him being corrupted by Sha in Pandaria.

@@darthrevan4376 If his turn to darkness was after encounteirng Sha but really Garrosh was diffrent from the first cenematic of Mists.

They didnt do right by his character at all, much like most characters. But I think the writers feared that giving the horde a great leader would of made the alliance fanbase call out blizz for more horde bias. Even though they themselves had Varian. I feel each of them would of been proper rivals to each other but no they had to make him basically orc hitler. but hell, new writers, new ideas and well...here we are.

@@BlueShellshock The thing is though, Garrosh, at the end of the day, is indeed a true orc. But many people really failed to realize that a true orc is actually not something they are going to like. What is a true orc? It is someone who values strength above all else, his/her dream is live and die on the battlefield. Sounded romantic until you realize that is a creature that will create war and bloodshed even if a sane mind will likes to simply live. And even uglier side of all this is that the players, as someone who really is only playing a video game, likes to have a boss who will screaming war and brutally murder the other faction. However, the moment the writers tries to add a bit realism on what that actually means, people realized maybe it it doesn't taste so good. What people chalks up as bad writing, is actually people tasting a bit more realism.

Funny how proper emotion can drive even the poorest of animated cinematics.

@@trusivraj6173 exactly. I had the same feeling with some assassin's creed to.

He's a numskull at best, only a ball of rage.

Yes but that's precisely the problem with him

@Jas- Chad

@Jas- okay and?

@Jas- So you say that you're superior than me, this is KZfaq, everyone is equal unless you have a superiority complex then proceeds to call everyone weak and puny

Same

Yes I can? As a horde player myself he represents none of me. No honor, save in the 2 moments in his life the writers wrote him with it, no common sense, all angry teen with venting and hatred and no real purpose behind it all. He's a child. His soul death was cool and very in character, which is good, but he wasn't that compelling a villain when we had him. And he NEVER represented the Horde. All he represents is what Sylvanes represented when she led. People who want to play a game where they are the cause of suffering in the lives of others. Plenty of people can play bad guys and be good people. I play villain characters all the time in D&D to spice it up. But to INSIST that said characters had values, when Garrosh literally abandoned all of his at the end to drink Old God blood. He is truly of the Horde only in the sense that he was willing to make the same mistake his father did. But unlike Garrosh, Grom, the guy who KICKED CENARIUS' ASS, regretted the demon blood and reflected upon his mistakes. That is what it means to be Horde. Do what needs doing but recognize when it doesn't. Warlords actually did the Horde better then every other expansion before or since with Durotar and his brother.

Being horde means you stand up for your brothers, not exclude them from the horde.

Yeah, bad guys just wanna make their factions great again.

@@MarkoArillius Yea, just it seems most people don't agree with you.... soo... get the fuck out of the Horde! XD And go play PeaceCraft, because you chosen wrong game with wrong name! XD

@@MarkoArillius If you want to feel like a "Hero" that does all good and no evil, you chose the wrong faction buddy, the days of having the Horde be somewhat "honourable", and by that i mean have as much plot armor as Sylvanas and Jaina, died when Chris Metzen stepped down.

"Funny how morals go out the window when you are losing a war." - the War Doctor, Engines of War The Horde wasn't losing the war per say, but it couldn't beat the Alliance, who Garrosh saw as inferior. That's why he kept doing worse and worse things, enslaving the magnataur's children (POV character saw him sigh at that, and commented in his thoughts "how poor their warchief was, that for the sake of Horde he was willing to do such unhonorable things; ugh), mana bomb (and to his credit, he did try to minimize civilian casualties by giving Theramore time to evacuate them), the assassination of Vol'jin.

he learned jack shit in Stonetalon, given he happily nuked Theramore with a Mana Bomb later on in the expansion and would happily forsake "Honour, no matter how dire the situation" that he preached to Krom'gar

@@dimitrijleus fairly certain Stonetalon was Cataclysm, and Theramore was Mists.

@@The_Hylian_Likely That is true, but I fail to see your point. He is still the same person, presumably with the same set of values and ideals, no? Still, he happily went about the Bombing, even allowing for more troops to be drawn to Theramore to maximise the hit.

@@dimitrijleus You say this, but unfortunately no. There is a stark contrast before Mists and after Mists in his character. Reading the novels just widens the gap significantly, with the books in Cata and before Cata characterizing him as someone who didn't want to rule, who didn't feel ready, who only wanted others to help him, guide him amd teach him so that he may be a better leader, who valued true Honour above all, who really hoped he could do right by and for his people, THE HORDE. Suddenly however, during Mists he becomes this evil, twisted being who sends out assassination squads against those who even speak again st his decisions, who is constantly seeking war, who for whatever reason suddenly discards every lesson he had learned up to that point for the sake of... Conquering the world, I guess? Even though the situation at home has really only gotten worse, something he was determined to do his best to resolve properly if he could before even considering the idea of War, before. And, worst of all, he doesn't view the Horde as his people anymore, now he only views the ORCS as his people. Some of these contrasts can be explained by the involvement, or mostly lack thereof, of other characters, admittedly. Thrall just thrusting Warchief on Garrosh despite Garrosh pleading for him to choose somebody more ready and able, such as "why not Cairn?! He understands what it means to be Horde, has the experience and values all." Then all his advisors just kinda' ditching him because they felt he was too young, even though the whole point of them was to guide him BECAUSE he was too young, then the constant manipulations and betrayals by smaller factions which only increase his paranoia tenfold. Thrall never responding to his pleas for advice and help, Cairn never even trying to explain things to him because he just assumed his thoughts would be ignored even though Garrosh was actively asking for outside input, Vol'Jinn just straight-up skipping all previous steps of advising and just promising him his death in his sleep if he screwed the Trolls over, instead of, y'know... Helping him understand the situation better?

Always saw Garrosh as Orc-Arthas. Very similar in many ways.

That's why i love her, she is real... not tied by morality. I doubt if i would still like her if they redeem her, i loved the ranger general and love the banshee queen but not so sure about a crying ranger general repenting her sins... I hope she'll understand her mistakes and move over, otherwise I'll drop blizz

@@edwardaraujo7399metaphore

@@BADR00724 dude, don't be angry. I mean, this is a game... we have the right to indulge in fictional thoughts. If i were to be happy in latam, I'd be the one wielding oppression to those ignorant and fools.

You know, I always hated Sylvanas. Even before it was cool. Everyone told me all these great things about her and how she’s saving her people and herself and all, and I always told them she was just evil… Now look at them. Fools

A Hellscream has no place in the orwellian dystopia that is Shadowlands.

Always has been. RIP sweet Warchief prince.

I agree with you but it is completely subjective.... We both may have liked the fact Garrosh sticked to his conviction to the end.... However, i can already imagine an army of wannabe critics telling us he had "zero character development"....

@@NickStrife I don't have prpblem with lack of it but the fact it didn't matter there was no gap filler between stone talon and pandaria. For an orc who said honour no matter the battle he put honour down the drain by using old God powers and also let's not forget that he attacked Ashenvale. Also before u say thrall taught him that remeber this one line from thrall to garrosh after northrend. It's not the exact quote but Take gorehowl. This was the axe that did great deeds such as killing mannaroth. But it was also the axe that slew the noble cenarious. It is tue wielder that decides who it kills. Make the right choices.

LOL

Is Chad a word meaning idiot?

@@Turai12 it's a word used by dorks to hide their own dorkiness

Gamon will save us all! Gamon for warchief!

The game is beyond saving at this point... Azeroth, Blizzard and Commiefornia all need A Great Reset. The Jailer is the one that can make it happen, only then can we even remotely hope for a better game, overhauled and renewed.

@@musicdamar583 it is something we all hope for, as Legion brought back wow to live after Draenor. We can only hope

@@musicdamar583 yawn

@Holo Lives Matter you fight the echo of Gul dan and Garrosh in order to fix some time discrepancies. And one more warlord that I dont remember

@@musicdamar583 blizzard is dead, give up.

10 bucks says this convo never happened

@@TheAwesomoe Your point?

@@bobo-xb7yt That it didn't happen.

@@mikemiken1963 Cant argue with that then, no one's really entitled to believe anyone on the internet anyways

Yawn

oof

Yawn

paçoca

Gamon for Warchief!

@@Athelarius the only one who is indeed worthy

To be fair Theramore wasn't really neutral...

@@TheMarko33 Obviously, but it was a mana nuke lol

Don't forget actively killing off all his allies weakening the horde as a whole because in his mind "Da orcies is bestester and all other races is tiny and not best!"

@@Athelarius Sure, Sylvanas isn't Garrosh lol But that doesn't make Garrosh any better than he is

@@TheTheschuhschuh and how it is different from like using huge aoe magic. Theramore was a military outpost at the time and there were no civilians.

Lmao what a nerd foking clown.

You want to know each and every detail to nerd out, but aren't doing the rabbit hole yourself? What kind of nerd is asking for others to do the work for them about their nerdiness? If you are not familiar with ANY lore I could see needing the assistance, but then timestamps would not help you. If this is the case, you need a lore dump video. If you DO know lore, then each cutscene is pretty obvious.

Nope, the horde was always a tool for the Legion under Guldan in Draenor, for the black dragon flight under Deathwing in Azeroth after their first invasion and finally now for the Alliance for the last few expansions. But ofc Blizz can't tell you that because they need the game afloat for the money, so you can't have the clearly inferior faction actually lose.

@@icecreamvendor433 "for the money" Did warcraft used to be for altruism?

@@mikemiken1963 Well no but because they started small, they weren't always that big triple A company they are today, their games were work of passion and to that end they had the customer's interest as first and foremost as seen by the quality.

I'll never get over people thinking that he cheated xD

@@catxborsuq1 Mak'gora's 1v1 strength duel you're not allowed to use anykind of magic And you Can see clear example between durotan vs gul'dan duel when he used fuel magic against durotan and was called cheater by other orcs

@@catxborsuq1 By lore, shamanism is not a magic, it has different source of power. For example shamans, they ask for help from elements. Shamans just borrow that power on element approval. So technically it was like Thrall asked earth element to kill Garrosh in duel. That is why he doesn't hear them anymore...

@@ahmadkhader1901 This is only from the movie, and the movie is not canon. In the games, an orc can actually use magic in a mak'gora. So Thrall didn't cheat.

@@ahmadkhader1901 That's not canon to the games tho. Shamanism isn't even considered to be magic by the orcs in the games, it's fair game for thrall to use it in Mak'gora.

There are literally raid markers place holding characters. It's not done. Not that it will be MUCH better, but the mouths will work.

Y'shaarj : I can feel your essence. So sweet.

He didn't submit, he was using their powers for his own end. He was never under the Old Gods' control.

...Still did nothing wrong

He was spared so he could stand trial for his crimes in Pandaria. Unfortunately before he was sentenced he was rescued by a few of his remaining allies and a bronze dragon who sent him back in time to Dreanor. Then he went on to give a massive technology upgrade to the orcs there and stop them drinking the demon blood and unified them as one clan. That didn't work out the way he wanted though and he was defeated by Thrall in a Makgora.