Gas Gun Vs Bolt Gun | Long Range Shootout

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A classic face-off: Bolt Gun vs Gas Gun in a PRS-style scenario. Who's taking home the W?
We've got Dan Chatton with his trusty bolt gun going head-to-head against Keith Baker and a top-of-the-line gas gun.
Watch the showdown and see which rifle (and shooter) reigns supreme.
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@SaikawaYasashi 3 ай бұрын

Man these boys can shoot. Goes to show nothing replaces solid fundamentals.

@kurtissmith4555 7 ай бұрын

Watching buddy run his bolt is insane , so fast , hands down MDT puts out the sickest PRS/ long range content

@kip6006 7 ай бұрын

What a rifle Geissle has there!

@iamcondescending 7 ай бұрын

I think with modern technology, if you have two equally well manufactured firearms, it'll depend on the shooter till about 1000yds. At that point, there's just no compensating for the flexing/movement of the semi-auto.

@seanoneil277 7 ай бұрын

If the person running the semi isn't faster across the course something's wrong with the shooter or the gas gun. No matter what distance. Of course if the person who shoots always on a bolt rifle is put on the gas gun there's gonna be trouble and probably inaccuracies due to the longer recoil impulse, more to stabilize.

@Demka03 5 ай бұрын

@@seanoneil277 I think, that in a long distances there is actually not much of an advantage in speed for a gas gun, because you gonna have to wait till bullet flies all the way there and confirm a shot. Than, if needed, make a correction, aim again. Not sure bolt action itself will take a lot of time in this prosess. Also, notice how bolt dude reloads immidietely after the shot and not waiting till the impact in a drag race round

@seanoneil277 5 ай бұрын

@@Demka03 Yes that's true. But if you know you had a bad shot with semi-auto you can follow up faster. I speak of shot calling here, and thus not waiting for downrange impact. With practice a bolt gun's bolt can be run fast, but not as fast as a gas gun's cycling enables. Unless the gas gun's gas system wasn't optimized, I suppose that could make it slower, or malfunction prone.

@Demka03 5 ай бұрын

@@seanoneil277 yeah, agreed. Also, I guess, after confirming the shot, gas has an advantage if there are more than one shot following up.

@seanoneil277 5 ай бұрын

But downside, more mechanical complexity & areas of possible problem, and more weight as a result of the complexity, with semi auto. Also as I said above, I've found the semi has to be stabilized for a longer time after trigger press, vs bolt gun. So sloppy fundamentals are tougher on semi auto.

@jeffwood6136 7 ай бұрын

I think the drag race was handicapped by someone being able to move a little faster lol.

@ericrumpel3105 7 ай бұрын

.....but it was even because older/heavier/slower didn't have to work the bolt.....lol

@jeffwood6136 7 ай бұрын

That is true 😂

@distantgi 7 ай бұрын

Great job, love this content. Keith Baker - excellent execution of the capabilities of a well tuned gasser. Keep up the good work guys!

@coltonwall6704 7 ай бұрын

Great shooting but I think the bolt gun left a lot on the table on that first round. Probably just warming up.

@Muddyfox47 7 ай бұрын

what caliber is each?

@FHHWHH 7 ай бұрын

I assume they were both 6.5CM????

@Muddyfox47 7 ай бұрын

@@FHHWHH they didn’t say , :( MDT????

@uhavedied12334557 7 ай бұрын

Assuming this is bendy bill's mrgg-s, the gasser is 6.5 Creed so the bolt gun is also presumably 6.5 creed as well

@aidenmcclendon5457 7 ай бұрын

@@uhavedied12334557didn't recoil much for either but still had some distance so I'd also say 6.5 creed

@viniciusbergamo9230 4 ай бұрын

At the start they said 6800 shots sub MOA accuracy, probably 6.5 CM due to short barrel life

@GavinC.S 7 ай бұрын

Both guns are great, and every people has it own liking. As long they keep get things accurate its a great gun

@hmongbass8301 7 ай бұрын

HORSE was brilliant. Good match!

@FC2ESWS 7 ай бұрын

I think this really shows how great that gas gun was. I mean if you had a "hit as many targets as you can in 60 seconds" challenge. I bet that semi auto would win.

@500spectre 3 ай бұрын

I think there are quite a few situation where the gas gun would have a significant advantage.

@tylerfrogley1227 6 ай бұрын

That awkward hug at the end

@e7tegt503 7 ай бұрын

Get both!!!

@Boomerfootball1 2 ай бұрын

Need more gas gun videos

@MrMcguffin007 7 ай бұрын

How is Francis Colon not your bolt gun shooter?

@smicksmookety 7 ай бұрын

What was more accurate and was was faster?

@ccw22lr 7 ай бұрын

What did Bill G say? Sub minute groups out past sixty four hundred rounds? Huh??

@tbaylo4034 9 күн бұрын

Yeah, I had to play that a few times to hear

@snteevveetns 7 ай бұрын

Cost run down for each rifle/optic etc?

@MDTTAC 7 ай бұрын

Send us an email at support@mdttac.com and we would be happy to get some additional info for you.

@shawngrays9087 7 ай бұрын

Gas gun is a win in my eyes, Built one myself that shoots sub-moa, it would compete with bolt action like that, Professional shooter like MDT I probably couldn't hang with at first I liked seeing a video like this,

@KevinWood44 7 ай бұрын

was the gas gun a 6mm ARC?

@johnkleinfelter8346 7 ай бұрын

6.5 creedmore

@KevinWood44 7 ай бұрын

@@johnkleinfelter8346 Oh nice, thank you

@brandon152lee 7 ай бұрын

What we’re the calibers? I’m assuming the geissele was a 6 mm ARC?

@leiferikson1278 7 ай бұрын

It’s an AR10 platform, genius.

@ScottPriestley 7 ай бұрын

@@leiferikson1278 that doesnt tell us the caliber - was it 6mm? 6.5 Creed? 308? other?

@levihale3267 7 ай бұрын

@@ScottPriestley It could have even been a .260 rem as Geissele did an AR10 in that at one point.

@cassidybronson6891 6 ай бұрын

@@leiferikson1278don’t be a douche, asking a question isn’t a bad thing. Other people were asking the same thing.

@leiferikson1278 6 ай бұрын

@@ScottPriestley let me know when you find an AR 10 that’s chambered in 6mm ARC

@user-ug1zi5ib2i 7 ай бұрын

Why dial…?

@TheFdgsgf 7 ай бұрын

What caliber were the rifles

@MDTTAC 7 ай бұрын

The bolt gun was 6 Dasher, and the gas gun was 6.5 Creedmoor

@Longshot762x51 7 ай бұрын

Guys who run Dashers like other guys. Just sayin.

@ericrumpel3105 7 ай бұрын

@@MDTTAC.....now we know why the gas gun did aswell as it did.....it was windy they said......says it all.

@TheFdgsgf 7 ай бұрын

Thank you !!@@MDTTAC

@MDTTAC 7 ай бұрын

@@TheFdgsgf You're welcome!

@bobsmith-ui8uw 7 ай бұрын

Should have swapped the shooters and the guns to see what was training and what was gun

@acushley1 7 ай бұрын

What is the cost of each rig?

@ericrumpel3105 7 ай бұрын

......your question might be the divider right there

@leiferikson1278 7 ай бұрын

The geissele is $7,000 for the super bendy bill special duty

@ericrumpel3105 7 ай бұрын

@@leiferikson1278 WOW !!!! - .......And there's NO WAY IN HELL, even for that price, will it repeatedly/consistently out shoot a bolt gun that even runs half that money,.....but, it might, almost, ..... closer anyway, if the receiver was a bit heavier & made of steel too,.....but then the price would be double, but a WAY better rifle.

@ForceRecon112 4 ай бұрын

The seekins so-10m is 2500 cheaper than the geissele and I’d argue more accurate

@tjaselin Ай бұрын

why didn't they do the same shooter on both? Keith normally does bolt he could have done both

@MDTTAC Ай бұрын

On this one, we wanted to do one MDT team shooter against the other.

@thelittledetailscr7231 7 ай бұрын

Semi auto guns are not legal in canada though.

@Longshot762x51 7 ай бұрын

Move then, if you love freedom well adopt you. 👍🇺🇸

@Xiox321 7 ай бұрын

@@Longshot762x51 The WK180C Gen2 is legal in Canada and pretty good, although pricey.

@gabrielrivard3332 7 ай бұрын

That's false though. Most semi-automatic rifles and shotguns are legal, as long as the barrel lenght exceeds 470mm, the overall lenght exceeds 660mm and (if using center-fire munition) have a maximum capacity of 5 rounds in the mag (no restriction on ammo capacity for rimfire). Semi-auto handguns are restricted (not banned), but the requirements for being issued a license are more restrictive and it gets expensive real fast. The most recent gun ban (which I think was fear based, used as a feel-good move without addressing the root causes of our issues and written by people with no real-world experience with firearms) bans "assault-style weapons" (a very nebulous concept), including ARs, mini-rugers, and M-14, as well as firearms capable of discharging a projectile with more than 10,000 joules of muzzle energy and firearms with a bore of 20mm or larger You can find more info here (site of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police) rcmp.ca/en/firearms/what-you-need-know-about-government-canadas-may-1-2020-prohibition-certain-firearms-and#s1 Cheers!

@thelittledetailscr7231 7 ай бұрын

@Longshot762x51 I am in America. I am just saying none of their viewers in Canada, where MDT is, can buy what they are shooting.

@thelittledetailscr7231 7 ай бұрын

@@Xiox321 nice

@cassidybronson6891 6 ай бұрын

What I’m seeing is the rifle doesn’t matter if you know how to use it. Being healthy and good physical fitness does.

@purplepenguin43 7 ай бұрын

The accuracy is in the barrel and ammo, two guns with equal barrels and ammo should have equal accuracy and equal results, every other feature on a rifle is for the benifit of us squishy humans.

@DefZen343 7 ай бұрын

disagree, Bullets get more damaged running through a semi auto with double stack mags than a bolt gun and that will affect accuracy. also harmonics, a bolt gun has alot less moving parts that might not return to the exact same position after everyshot. there is a reason an m14 is very difficult to make accurate or keep accurate and boltguns are not hard to make sub minute even on budget hunting guns. AR platforms are very accurate but still not on the same level as a bolt action.

@seanoneil277 7 ай бұрын

That's true, but a semi will always be faster, the slickest runners of bolts are slower than the gas impingement system's reset. The disadvantage is more moving parts.

@nativewarrior5052 7 ай бұрын

@@DefZen343true, my Savage Axis shoots sub MOA with factory ammo and hand loads are easy to tune. My gas gun has been a finicky one with a "good load" during testing but after a match with the same load it shoots 2-3 MOA.

@StuninRub 7 ай бұрын

@@nativewarrior5052If your gas gun is not sub 3/4 moa something is wrong.

@nativewarrior5052 7 ай бұрын

@@StuninRub I'm probably working with less than optimal powders. I only have H322, CFE 223, Win748. I have 55gr fmj, 68gr and 75gr Hornady Match HPBT. Barrel is a Ballistic Advantage 20" Premium series 416R stainless DMR profile, 223 Wylde 1:8 twist. Rifle length gas and a carbine buffer system. I want to upgrade to the A5 buffer system.

@TheRoshDawg 7 ай бұрын

In my experience, gas guns tend to be more reliable than bolt guns. Which sounds counter intuitive.

@Yeoman7 7 ай бұрын

Lol😂

@TheRoshDawg 7 ай бұрын

@@Yeoman7you ever reload or use military primers? High end bolt guns that aren’t military focused like an AI or MRAD often get light primer strikes unless you really dial in your ammo correctly or buy high end match ammo.

@modernrambo2 7 ай бұрын

@@TheRoshDawgwhat. Why are you using military primers at all

@iamcondescending 7 ай бұрын

@TheRoshDawg speak for yourself, dude. I have a savage FCP-K that will set off any primer. There are a lot of bolt guns that won't do hard primers, but that's because they have light striker springs to give them a better trigger feel without giving them an actual better trigger. If you get something better than a Savage Axis, you'll have no problem with hard primers.

@TheRoshDawg 7 ай бұрын

@@iamcondescendingagreed on Savage being able to fire anything! Q Fix and Mini Fix though.. as well as MPA (good rifle but unfortunately can’t train reliably with cheap ammo)

@Thousand_yard_King 7 ай бұрын

Gas wins hand's down

@Just2Evil 7 ай бұрын

So there's no advantage to running a less reliable semi-auto? Who'd a thunk?

@bopbop7637 7 ай бұрын

There is, thats why most short action "sniper rifles" dont exist in military circles anymore and are getting phased out in law enforcement as well

@Just2Evil 7 ай бұрын

@@bopbop7637 Not seeing any benefits here lol.

@DefZen343 7 ай бұрын

lol, ive seen more bolt guns malfunction than semi autos these days at matches, even on Yt with high end bolt guns i see malfunctions, always feeding issues with the little 10 round mags. main disadvantage with a semi is the gun is moving after the shot and making it more difficult to spot impacts. also the rounds being chambered quickly can damage bullets alot worse than a bolt gun which will make a difference at longer ranges or harder targets, F class guys single feed for that reason. obviously a semi auto has speed and capacity, dont get one if you dont need those advantages. id add reliable magazines too, bolt gun mags suck.

@bopbop7637 7 ай бұрын

@@Just2Evil semi auto gives you faster follow up shots, its better at close range in case it needs to be used for that and gives you the same precision in a combat environment, often with a lighter weight

@seanoneil277 7 ай бұрын

On paper? Maybe. If you can run a rifle the semi is always faster. But bench racers will race on the bench.