@No One AMAZIN

Is chapter 7 "...or I'm gonna strange you" misspelled? strangle?

Gavin was the most entertaining guest in a long time

@@Xanoz84 It's probably against KZfaq TOS to write out what he actually meant.

This was by far the funniest debate I have ever seen, I agree with the rest of the comments, these guys should have a podcast. Forget Lauren Southern, holy shit this was gold.

TRUE

🤣WHEEEEZE

How DARE you say something so topically humorous while I'm eating a sandwich. I choked on that bite and wasted good food.

@@Etojus oi why you saying truth so openly. It hurts

@@MrChitzNGiggles dannggg. Almost got you. Oh well Next time then

Can't take Gavin serious. The way he talks is like he's possessed by sarcasm.

Why would you *debate* a cuck? You call them a cuck and get on with your life They aren't supposed to 1) NOT get offended 2) keep debating

JLP? John Lewis and Partners?

yeah I think its pretty clear he's just joking around, at least from the clip at the start. Gavin is a comedian

@@nutloaf yes🤣

you can't?

@@sacredcow61lmao exactly everyone but destiny saw that coming a mile away

He was except she didn't need him to be manly and dominant, she apparently needed someone who cries, whines, and threatens to suicide if she doesn't do what he wants.

thats a good point, but if u wanna be nice, she prob wanted monogamy@@momo_u

Yes she definitely left him for someone manly …..um

soooo true

Er.. You can keep the twitch streamer...

Destiny and Gavin Wednesday at 8pm on NBC

i actually cried from laughter

Shitting on a stupid guy is not a duo. Destiny is a massive failure.

The real frenemies

It would be out generations Hannity and Combs

Better than Ethan and Hasan

They'd make the pool shitters real

It would be Down and Syndrome together!

wut...the fuck.. then proceeds to get pissed off about a guy who enjoys gaming😂🤣😂

Holy shit

Sometimes it's better not to know

holy fuck its real

@@Unicron9 duh dude. He wasnt trying to hide it lol.

Gavin didn’t need to be as mean as he was

@@Caper1144he is concerned for destiny’s relationship and turned out to be spot on

​@@Caper1144but it was funny no?

@@IbrahimservantofAllah Yeah, he's pretty funny. Great with Anthony. I think he would have been better here if he was not so antagonistic.

​@@Caper1144He's a New Yorker. He can't help it.

Yes he could have. Look at the guy that stole his woman…. That is not the type Gavin predicted

@@Caper1144 that makes it better lol, not only did he get cucked but by a literal twink but said twink is also oblivious that this women is going to do the exact same thing as she did to destiny to him. Who would've thunk a open relationship would turn out bad? Everyone, he did not listen to the warnings and you had mouth breathers who would say "bUt tElL mE wHaTs sO bAD AbOuT oPeN MarRiagEs???" THIS RIGHT HERE , HE'S A PRIME EXAMPLE LMAO

​​@@shekstein8396 Meanwhile he has had more monogamous relationships that failed than open. So clearly the open nature isn't the sole reason it failed. And if someone predicts something using flawed logic, why would you commend that? That is like when tribes sacrificed children to gods for good weather and they happened to get good weather that year.

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 oh yes because the solution to fixing your failing monogamous relationships is to marry someone and allow them regularly go date other people without you knowing anything about what they're planning or doing, risking them catching an STD or getting pregnant with a child that isn't yours and then having to raise and explain to that child how you're not the father because mommy and daddy are complete degenerates who cuck each other. Don't be a complete muppet dude Gavin's logic isn't even that flawed at all, when it comes to culture suicide he's pretty spot on if you look what most first world countries look like and declining birth rates in certain mono ethnic or at least what used to be mono ethnic countries. If you're one of these women who was raised in a culture where all the men are dominant and controlling and they're only exposed to that for most of their lives then their perception of men is exactly like that so they expect who they marry to be like that, in the case with Destiny and his wife that's exactly the problem, he doesn't meet that standard and is just a tool for her.

​@@haruhirogrimgar6047😂 such bs. But nice try, in your failed attempt acting smart 😂

@@friendlymerc7276 Because his job/brand is to cover those things. Political content and theater are not the same thing lmao

@@friendlymerc7276 Theater implies a specific intent to create or show drama. If you actually watch Destiny that is not what he does at all. His primary goal is to inform on politics and explain its complications.

@@friendlymerc7276 Of course, it's entertaining and interesting. But theatrical is a horrendously description.

It's absolutely a correct observation.

​@@drdaddydarkie164 I would say Destiny 100% creates drama on Twitter on purpose so he can talk about it seriously on debates.

HAHAHAHAHA when I saw this comment I had to search for this part. And it did not disappoint my friend. Im ded

1:10:30 for anyone looking

100% he was in sweatpants

I stg if Gavin seems like one of those people who thinks sweatpants were invented by gay people to make straight men more effeminate.

@@mela3889 💯 I appreciate you.

His show is called “Get Off My Lawn” Im not kidding. 😂

seriously. God casted this perfectly

Being a beta male cuck is the role “destiny” was born to play

Angry young aspiring communists

@@josiahmorris5799 its a great show

did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?

@@CaymanGaming mayhaps

Love some good Harry Potter references

I mean it was the most obvious thing in the world

Destinys fans have to solely be incel nerds. There’s no way anyone with half a moral compass follows this guy. He literally lost a debate to a lunatic comedian lmfao. Absolute cringe world we live in that this dork has popularity

Came here for this comment

100%. And he was right about the timeframe. Holy crap.

@@HollyFrampton-gw8spbut he was completely wrong about the type of guy she demanded.

Yes it is 🤣

This is destiny's weakest point. Talking about "responsibility" as an independent media creator yet talking talking about pedophelia and incest multiple times on his channel because "it's interesting".

if Gavin knew to bring up that Destiny was raised by his momma so he’s half man half woman, it would have been a landslide victory for him.

@@rsasify That or saying that he doesn't luh blah peepl. But I guess he doesn't either so that couldn't happen.

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p lol spamming the same comment over and over again

Top tier joke

It's hard to laugh at this joke if you've been a destiny watcher for more than 2 years.

Then he ruins it by repeating it like 5 more times.

@@buzzerking definitely agree with that. I did t watch it long enough tho.

@@buzzerking good point, except he never repeated this joke. he did ridicule his gay name in other ways, but never a repeat. you're gay.

I also find cringe therapy hilarious.

@@twerkn4jesus460 Your name is cringy.

No he's fucking anoing

@@michaeltelman1209 you what’s annoying is your inability to sound coherent

In like a conservative uncle kind of way. Funnier than your average person, no real comedic talent, though.

This is destiny's weakest point. Talking about "responsibility" as an independent media creator yet talking talking about pedophelia and incest multiple times on his channel because "it's interesting".

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p People being too stupid to explain why they hate stuff isn´t Destinys fault.

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p two things can be true at the same time. Destiny's right about the position he argues here and also doesn't necessarily live up to it lol

Uh, Gavin won this debate handedly.

hold on, are you being sarcastic?

That guy's only more feminine because Destiny is too ugly to be a twink

Ya I like the point where he says destiny sounds like an abused hookers name it’s funny because Destiny is a girls name

Bro they both roast each other

@@gdaman3700 "only one of us has pulled things out of our asses on camera"...I'm dead

destiny hardly makes good points he's an actual moron and does sit on his ass all day

Hmmm...never heard that idea before

gavin was telling the truth though, people with the mindset of destiny categorizes EVEYONE into subsets. when in reality it is far more complex than that we all have our ideas and thoughts and emotions and the propaganda preaches the latter.

The best part is the fact he’s calling him a communist for thinking poorly of the pool shitters.

@@vanguardoftruth4166 I can't believe you couldn't see through Gavin's hypocrisy, which only shows that you are prejudiced too. Destiny pointed out Gavin's hypocrisy when he sarcastically said "and you look at everyone as a collection of beauty". Everyone looks at people through the lens of their own biases. I am sure Gavin himself looks at the whole of today's generation as "communist" and addicted to games. Didn't you see how he categorised Destiny as someone who doesn't socialise and someone who belittles others' achievements, which is just not true?

@@TheKomentor I agree with your assessment as well. But i get this ego from destiny that only his knowledge is superior to others

Good work soldier

U got something wrong with u?

@@jpw5029 yes

Is that sarcasm?

@@TezTheAztec Nah Gav is the funniest man on the internet

He's literally not funny at all. Screaming that he has a female stripper nickname repeatedly is not funny.

This is destiny's weakest point. Talking about "responsibility" as an independent media creator yet talking talking about pedophelia and incest multiple times on his channel because "it's interesting".

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p i feel like there’s definitely a difference there, having a discussion about something is not the same as having a guest on that gets to lead said discussion without any pushback or fact checking. At least this is how I feel. I’m not saying destiny is always right, just that I think there’s a difference in how he approaches these topics and how Rogan does.

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p Talking about pedophilia is not harmful. Saying its okay to ,olest Cdren would be.

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p dude wtf are you copy pasting this comment for? Do you think it's so smart that everyone needs to hear it? Cringe

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p It is interesting though

I think he also turned into an even grumpier old man that doesn’t like anything people under 40 enjoy 😂

@@HaffyYT acting his age. He’s refreshing

@@HaffyYT to be fair, a lot of that shit is gay

He’s like a grumpy old man cartoon character

He’s a pool of malignant toxicity but extremely entertaining

Holy shit, and they say white boys can't rap 😂

a legend has joined the comments

dude i saw u on stream, i

You might not like it, but this is what peak content looks like

I watched it live with my wife's 3 boyfriends, we all enjoyed it!!

By painful I hope you mean fucking hilarious. Gavin has shit takes but at least he is funny

Oh hell yeah lmao. But honestly overall Destiny let Gavin get to him a bit too much. Some points I even agree with Gavin on more but overall he was such a douche and impossible to have any form of real conversation with. I understand Destiny is a dick too and maybe that just provoked him to be this way even more than usual but Deatiny should have attempted to be the more mature one and brush off his personal attacks. When he tried to do the soundboard thing that was just desperate as he felt like Gavin was sorta trying to make him his bitch and he gave into that immature mindset a bit too much at times when he could have come off looking like the much better one.

Nervously laughing throughout the debate multiple times too. He is capable of being way more level headed than this as I have seen it personally. This is why I can't consider myself a Destiny fan overall. Far better than Vaush, but he still gives into outrage and theater(ironically enough) wayyyyy too much. He looked more stable overall than Gavin here but that was such a low bar lmao.

@@curiosityl.6261 man perfectly said 😂

D- performance by Destiny in my personal opinion. Could have come off much better. Gavin clearly got to him

@@michaelbrandon1222 Glad we can agree😆

I guess that's only natural when you work with an unhinged Colonel Sanders wannabe.

His name is "destiny" 💙🏳️‍🌈

@@gxlorp what? James is the host, Destiny’s name is Steven

Agreed, they would both end up killing themselves unfortunately

nah, they really do not have a lot of chemistry together, now Desitny and JLP... this is the team to end all teams, even Melina does not have such a deep connection to Destiny as Jessie, as soon as he screams "BEEYTA" Destiny just lights up, like he heard his long lost brother teasing him at the airport.

@@JM-mh1pp Dick & Destiny is the best crossover tho

Gavin's a BETA!!!

@@AnorexicPandas unfortunately?

Can’t it all be traced back to one underlying cause of death or no?

@@graemestanley8513 sometimes

@@graemestanley8513 Also kind of hard, some people have multiple underlying conditions that interact with each other and covid might be the thing that pushes them over the edge.

Most people do not know this unfortunately. Their under the assumption that cause of death would be singular. Death certificates in the US is very open ended compared to other countries.

@@ProtomanZ same as the common cold. just about anything can push some sick people over the edge.

No way he's actually pissing in a cup that can't be true

Time stamp for cup pissing?

@@panacea.palace No way the author of the book "How to piss in public" would ever piss in public.

@@steveanton763 someone said it starts at 21:34 and I think they may be right lol

@@cooks37 I'm sorry what?

I watched this live and I didn't even catch that, holy shit the *damage*

I was watching that live and I couldn’t stop laughing 😂😂

omg, i missed it, that was so good, holy shit...

This is more like I'm letting 5 other guys shit in my pants...

@@battlecast9202 it’s true im one of the boyfriends

Oh my God, I would pay for that like I would pay for a Mayweather fight.

If JRE is still around, I heard they're trying to cancel him again (my mom called me yesterday just to ask if I thought Rogan would be okay)

@@MichealWalls I don't know man, the way you phrased that makes it sound like a certified banger

Joe doesn't let cucks on his show

@@LordBattleSmurf Wait? Really? Then how tf did Sargon get on???

umm no he wasnt...she didnt leave for a viking bruv

@@fortnitekingofhighlights5713 literally no, he said she would leave for a man that will dominate her that's what he said, rewatch the timestamp bruv. She left for a broke femboy that threatened to kill himself if she didnt divorce desriny

​@twocheezitz9182 What a cope. Gavin knew exactly what would happen. Melina dumped tiny's ass 😂

@@TruthDissident destiny divorced her and gavin literally said she wanted to be dominated. He was wrong she left for a femboy literally the EXACT opposite it's not cope it is just ttue

​@@fortnitekingofhighlights5713well what he said was wrong, so we say it is wrong. How is that coping it's not like we're justifying everything that has happened.

So Steven Bonnell's son is *Destiny's Child*

🤣🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁 That shit was golden

@@patrickmiller1674 Gordon?

@@bigtombowski golden

@@patrickmiller1674 i was joshing

Gavin is a god amongst men

no this is just stupid

tru af

@@Alritealritealrite lmao mald more

No one really even needs to debate Gavin, because you let him go long enough and he undermines his own argument better than any opposing debater could. In this light, I appreciate that he's working it out in real-time, unscripted, like a philosopher. But he's not a philosopher king. He's a philosopher jester. This is why he retired Miles McInnes, his silly libtard character he would act as to mock straw men. He gets carried away with the character of Miles and ends up making steel man arguments his real Gav persona cannot rebut. It's almost as if the "Miles" character legitimately hijacks his brain. He used to do that character regularly, but hasn't in a long time.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ya thats the cop out they all say when they look like massive immature lunatics

Not a good one

@@whitebull1990 yeah he sure is no Jimmy Kimmel 💩

@@TheC0mmentSection How old are you thinking that Jimmy Kimmel is funny?

@@Nega-Tim how dumb are you actually thinking that I think jimmy Kimmel is funny with a poop emoji at the end

Why? Fucking corny. I fucking hate destiny and that’s a corny joke.

Man, you should meet my vaguely funny uncle

Yeah, I think he was 4 or 5 beers 8n at that point. 😂

Based

@@nobodynobody7729 idk my boy! This guy clearly has no interest in a good faith debate. He’s so super dishonest and just wants to be able to influence his audience to believe what he believes.

56:13 it was even worse, he said “Swedes are poison”

@@channelwhoa66 if you watch his show it’s mostly joking around and he admits a lot that he isn’t a great debater or that smart

Eh.

Yeah it was super funny the 6th time he said it too

@@saltysweet2054 salty destiny fan lmao

He stole it from JLP

@@saltysweet2054 L

From the get-go Gavin shit all over the board lmao. He agreed to debate the proposition, then said he didn’t want to debate that proposition, then gave a new one he thought he could win. Destiny just rolled with it nbd 😂

Density🤣😂

@@mbnall Gavin McInnes has the intellectual prowess of a sea cucumber and the sex appeal of a car accident. I don't know why anyone thinks that he has anything to say.

No it's not. Destiny was contributor to it, while denying so the entire time.

@@mbnall why do i have to argue for positions i dont hold ? Cant we just settle out differences of opinion like gentlemen without passive aggressive slaps that win Debate Points ?

Yes

Gavin is nothing if not hilarious. The fun of listening to gav is he's actually fairly witty and savvy when it comes to culture, but in terms of political ideology, he persistently takes up untenable positions and fails as a debater. I regularly listen to his show, and can't tell you how many times he has been ranting and pontificating, and with obvious hyperbole, he ends up "steel-manning" the opposing argument and utterly failing to reckon with the steel man he offered. No one really even needs to debate Gavin, because you let him go long enough and he undermines his own argument better than any opposing debater could. In this light, I appreciate that he's working it out in real-time, unscripted, like a philosopher. But he's not a philosopher king. He's a philosopher jester. This is why he retired Miles McInnes, his silly libtard character he would act as to mock straw men. He gets carried away with the character of Miles and ends up making steel man arguments his real Gav persona cannot rebut. It's almost as if the "Miles" character legitimately hijacks his real persona. He used to do that character regularly, but hasn't in a long time.

​@@pluckyduck11y ?

@@jacklumsden7444 When was the last time he did Miles? Hasn't it been years? Miles became too dangerous.

I wonder if he is?

Not really. Melina left for an even less traditionally masculine man who threatened to commit sudoku if she didn’t leave Destiny. By all means, Melina let herself get manipulated by a weak man

Destiny needs to be the Viking that Gavin described to get her back. Destiny! Be the Viking! BE THE VIKING!!!!

@@garythecyclingnerd6219this is cops, he clearly pointed open marriages won’t work,

This entire debate is Stephen being accommodating as Gavin frenetically moves the goal-posts over and over and over and over again.

@@6Churches Ikr,he's taken disingenuousness to a whole new level.

More like Gavin misses the mark with cringy as fuck attempts at jokes before shtting himself

Gavin's always had serious potential as a comedian, IMO. Just went too far on his dumb political soapbox shit, like a lot of grifters do.

@@casperowens2482 if he had potential, he would have a comedy career. The right wing grift complex is full of failed comedians.

destiny is boring but Mccinnes is hilarious so together they would make an awesome team

some people are anti free speech and pro censorship.

Being dumb is hilarious. I laugh at dumb ppl too

@@aono335 without dumb people like him, there'd be nobody to make us look smart 😂

@@aono335 And Gavin laughs at your bank account and life's accomplishments.

@@jameson3500 So having more money in your bank account makes you intellectually superior? Lol I do well for myself and sleep peacefully at night knowing I am not as big of an idiot as Gavin.

@@aono335 " intellectually superior" haha. If you're so much smarter, then you would have accomplished more than the multi-millionaire founder of Vice, Gavin McInnes. Nope, you all just sniff your own farts in your bedrooms while accomplishing nothing in life, thinking you're smarter than everyone else.

Don't go making a bunch of sense

I may not be a medical professional but you’re example seems a bit off. The person would’ve died from tension pneumothorax. And not every answer could be correct. You wouldn’t say that this patient could’ve died from the fall or a cough. He died from the pneumothorax resulting from the surgery.

@@willwebb3557 No worries, The issue there is that a pneumothorax is a condition with many potential causes. It can be caused by physical trauma, it can be caused by barotrauma during ventilation, it can be caused by a virus like the flu, it can be caused spontaneously, and it can result from a combination of factors. It could be argued that they would never have developed a pneumothorax if not for the patient being flu positive. Thus they would be counted among flu positive patients who died to respiratory compromise aka a “Flu Death”. They would also be a “Fall death” being a patient who died following an acute trauma event (Ladder Fall) Pneumothorax and tension pneumothorax are things that CAN be listed as a cause of death. However this patient’s cause of death is still ambiguous as it is written. It isn’t a complete explanation to say this patient died to a pneumothorax, when there are so many contributing factors to their pneumo, and to their death. The point being that it is essentially exactly as Gavin described, and is very complicated. It is a misconception on Destiny’s part that doctors can “figure it out”, as “figured out” to a doctor means taking into account all possible contributing factors to create the most accurate patient profile, and “figured out” to a layperson means finding a single smoking gun. Replace the trauma event: “fall” with “gunshot wound” and this patient would be a “gun death” If that above patient was COVID-19+, it would count as a COVID death in COVID death statistics if that helps explain the silliness and ease of manipulation of death statistics. Hope that helped! Sorry for spelling/grammar I’m writing this on my phone 😅

Destiny is a turd. He plays video games for a living and he tries to be a political debater on the side because otherwise he knows he doesn't contribute anything to the world.

having worked in a hospital, and seen 10s of thousands of icd10 attributions, ive not seen the higher up pressure you're taking about. also the attributions have been generally correct and not skewed, but i didn't study them besides how we were trained to use them. i think just about every coworker i had would have given lesdership -a ton- of shit if they were pressured in this way. hospitals are insanely profitable and the pressures i saw on supporting those profits were always tempered by (or wholly motivated by) patient outcomes.

You can't have a Buddy Cop^(TM) movie without one of the cops being black. Expect a riot throughout the US when you take away a kcalb actor's job.

@@TheKomentor One of them will be in black face. (My money's on Gavin...)

@@nickelmouse451 he is canadian

co-hosts of "Pool Shitters".

@@nickelmouse451 yeah because he wouldnt give a shit because hes not a pu**y

He has written lot of high school essays though 😅

Legit was the moment that made me a dgger.

Usually what happens when you take the establishment position.

Huh you mean throwing a tantrum and crying in a argument like the "snowflakes" you guys like to always point out is him owing destiny?

Skulls for the skull throne!

it... EXCEEEDED ALLLLLLL expectations!!! I'm serious, this was comedy gold, I was in tears several times >.>

I don't find the white supremacist to be very funny.

@@c-r cringe

@@c-r Weak.

@@c-r destiny aint that bad Hehe

@@c-r you just ruined this whole comment section right there

They call me *THE COUNT*

Ah ah ah

Because he died on a cross for our sins

@@gezenews I agree, actually. Politically I think Gavin is a nutcase but he's a really funny one. I was just surprised that two polar opposite internet personalities mesh so well here. This video was good.

Yes because if you are a literal cuck, you automatically lose the debate, no matter what you are talking about. Gavin takes a W here

Having an open relationship is fucking insane lol

Or having the name of a black stripper from the south

@@Vyable__ being obsessed with another man’s sex life is just sad bro🤦🏽‍♂️

@@EatDatBitchAwp TRUE like go get some bitches

Oh my god, Destiny purposefully spreading misinformation about the veggie tale.

Blatant misinformation…holy hypocrisy

I'll get started on my 1 hour long debunk video!

everything he said was right. he’s seen a lot. dude knows what he’s talmbout

Show proof

The Proud Boys sounds gay because that's the point; Gavin started it as a joke.

Wait till he finds out how they came up with their name lmao

That’s the point lol it’s a joke group when Gavin was in charge

He is acting.

Gavin was obviously just trolling when he said that shit. I’ll admit he’s good at weaving in and out of the troll that you really gotta watch his body language to tell if he’s memeing or trying to make a real criticism. I’d really like to see more of them go back and forth. It could be really interesting. I can’t stand Gavin’s show on its own, but ifs got someone who doesn’t just run when he goes into trolling mode it just turns into a railroading session if they don’t troll back a little.

He? Let's be honest, Destiny is a girls name.

@@jonathanj2666 You talking about the Stripper, right?

After listening to this guy, you must be talking about the autism spectrum

the autism spectrum yeah

​@@sororxcide🤣 Destiny is cringe!

@@lifeisactuallyveryboring.7771not as cringe as Gavin let’s be real this guys arguments come 100 percent from emotions as he clearly demonstrates

Guys like Gavin call people like destiny autistic then go on to screech and yell at another adult 😂

Yes back when I liked Crowder as well.

That sexist sleaze lmao…. I always found him to be funny but could not agree with much of his „ideas“. I only feel sorry for his wife that has to deal with him hitting on Lauren Southern

You're allowed to like him dude. Just cos he has some on the nose opinions it doesn't mean you have to denounce him. Adults are capable of taking things with a grain of salt.

@@chikoo.chinon1497 ahahaha he was going after Lauren? Yeah I feel the same

My favorite is when people say 'all the doctors recommend the vaccine for everyone' - as if even 10% of doctors actually looked at the data, initial studies, occurrence of adverse effects, duration of efficacy, and performed a risk/benefit analysis for each individual person. They didn't. They saw that the CDC was telling everyone they should get it and that docs were being attacked professionally for questioning it, so turned off their brains and were just compliant.

The same people who whine about free healthcare also wanna jump on the vaccine, if the government doesn’t care about your health why would you trust them to give you a vaccine. Lmao

Like what?

@@matthew2199 the vaccine, the lockdowns, COVID in almost every aspect, masks, social distancing, just off the top of my head without rewatching

@@adampurcellrrt but he wasn't? No one even tries to argue this. It's so weird seeing the anti vaxxers attempt to come back and say they were right all along instead of admitting they are hysterical children. " A billion people are going to die from complications any day now..."

​@@adampurcellrrtIn what way was the wrong about any of those things? Seems covid was real and caused a lot of excessive deaths, vaccines helped a lot, masks and social distancing helped a lot, where is he incorrect?