Accuracy Test of DIY CNC Modernized Milling Machine

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Жыл бұрын

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@michaelnordin3006
@michaelnordin3006 Жыл бұрын
I think you did an excellent job here. This is coming from a proud owner of a deckel fp1 myself that can basically only cut straight lines, I have to say I'm pretty jealous! Anyone who hasn't operated a 1950s something manual mill and has done everything all by hand and grew up in the cnc world has no clue what you have done. Great job!!!
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you like my work! It was a lot of fun! :)
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
What do you think about the outcome? I'm a bit worried about the 50.3 dimension of the part but the rest seems to be quite accurate. Let me know your thoughts! Thanks for watching!
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining Жыл бұрын
good video GBWM
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
Thank you! :)
@LitchKB
@LitchKB Жыл бұрын
I'd map each measurement to the X/Y/Z axis, see if you have a consistent error with one of them (appears you might). Big hulking machine like that should have very good results (< 40um) as it'll have the rigidity to achieve it, so any errors can (and should) be able to be ironed out of it. > Throw an indicator on your endmill - what's the runout there? Should be < 10um. > Perform backlash tests for each axis - testing parallel to the axis. This can be mitigated for in some CAM packages. > Perform linear test - test forces perpendicular to the axis (ie. worn ways/dovetails). This will require gibs to be tightened, maybe even re-grind/scraping.
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your advices. I'll have to sit down in front of this machine one day when I find some time look up for issues with all the methods people are sending to me. I was wondering why I had little backflash to be removed with the software. Ball screws shouldn't involve any noticeable backlash. Maybe the drive-side bearing unit has an issue. I just hope the dovetails don't have to be scrapped. If would be really hard for me to find now so much time to do it.
@LitchKB
@LitchKB Жыл бұрын
@@GBWM_CNC Ballscrews are supposed to have very little bashlash - and japanese/german ones (eg. NSK, THK, Bosch, etc...) are very close to zero. But I'm guessing you didn't pay up to $1,000 USD per ballscrew for those high quality ones... The cheaper ones everyone gets from China are rolled, not ground (a cheaper, less precise manufacturing process) and tend to have a lot more slop than you would expect. It's just the reality of saving some money, the quality of the product isn't as high. In any case, I'd be interested to see what you can achieve after you investigate further.
@yousseffaid8133
@yousseffaid8133 Жыл бұрын
Backlash compassion in the software will resolve the problem but if you want to resolve this problem for ever the hand scraping is the best solution
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about hand scraping but I didn't have enough time for that during my holiday. Now I do regret a little bit
@yousseffaid8133
@yousseffaid8133 Жыл бұрын
@@GBWM_CNC you can use the turcite glue the turcite it's easy to scrap and last for a good time kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qcV0YNyFqK-apJ8.html for the surface finish problem is from the feedrate is too much for the steel max what you can do is 800
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
@@yousseffaid8133 Interesting. Will have to take a look at that (and overall scraping - I'll have to buy something flat first though). I think the feed rate wasn' that high though :) Doing the maths - it was even below 600mm/min. Maybe I should try leaving more material for the finish pass
@yousseffaid8133
@yousseffaid8133 Жыл бұрын
@@GBWM_CNC okay see you soon on scraping video 📸
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
@@yousseffaid8133 Haha will see! Hopefully i will be soon :)
@ScriciRockz
@ScriciRockz Жыл бұрын
You should probably check your hysteresis, you seem to have bigger tolerances on one axis, so check the steps for the motor, and tweek it, for positive-direction and return, it seem it's lacking, or maybe you just havr sligthly bigger tolerances in the machine itself, plays in the parts...
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
I will take a look at that in some free time. I'm wondering where it comes from too
@akka4751
@akka4751 Жыл бұрын
i love your videos! thanks for sharing! i am facing a similar issue with my cnc machine and i noted that my problem was backlash on one axis. As soon as i improved the backlash in that axis (adjusting gibs and increasing acceleration to avoid stiching) the results start to be much more accurate ;) let us know how would you solve this problem, thankssssss
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
I will take a look where is the issue and I will try to make an updating video as soon as I will have some spare time. Although I was checking for backlash in all axes earlier - I will give it a second look. Maybe I missed something.
@user-gr6vs6oc7t
@user-gr6vs6oc7t Жыл бұрын
Как для самодельного станка, очень хорошо!
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
Спасибо! :)
@kamilbabiarz1101
@kamilbabiarz1101 Жыл бұрын
Taki pomiar dokładności mało wnosi. Powinieneś zrobić pomiar pierwszej sztuki później zrobić poprawki w programie i zobaczyć czy wtedy wyjdzie to co miało wyjść 🙂 Błędy wymiaru na pierwszej sztuce często się zdarzają. Najważniejsze jeśli maszyna jest powtarzalna i trzyma wymiar po winiesieniu poprawek.
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
Przy najbliższej okazji jak będzie możliwość, to porobię jeszcze więcej prób i się okaże co w trawie piszczy :) Posprawdzam jeszcze czy nie ma jakichś luzów. Zobaczymy powtarzalność jak będzie okazja coś pofrezować, najlepiej w większej ilości. Mam w planach w najbliższym czasie jakieś mniejsze projekty więc pewnie będzie okazja coś pofrezować ;)
@Bromo_Sexual
@Bromo_Sexual Жыл бұрын
Good job. How can you make it 5 axis cnc mill?
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
4th and 5th axis would be interesting - I didn't think about that yet
@arlantpercetakan5022
@arlantpercetakan5022 Жыл бұрын
what software do you use to design and CAM bro ?
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
I'm using F360. Nice software for hobby use
@R9000
@R9000 Жыл бұрын
Very nice accuracy test. Please bear in mind I'm a complete amateur, but like others have said it seems clear that one axis has a little slop in it. I can't tell but I think the 10.08 dimension on the square boss is probably the same axis as the 50.31 on the outside of the part - they both seem to be about 0.6-0.8% over what they should be, or like 7 extra microns per mm. I just wonder if this is actual slop (somewhere between the motors and the ball screw nuts) or if it's a linear error with your ball screws that you can just dial out by recalibrating. Assuming your gibs are tightened well, I'm not sure how much scraping would help with this. Unless your dovetails are getting really tight and it's stopping them from moving properly, none of them should affect your horizontal dimensions to that degree. 0.3mm of wear on a dovetail should be a showstopper, so despite the mill's age I don't think it's that bad. I would say scraping should be a last resort, especially since it's the most time-consuming and risky change you could make. As for surface finish, yeah it's not bad but far from stellar. In mild steel it's kinda expected, though I have to wonder about how sharp that endmill is. Try a brand new one if you can? As before I would check the head gibs and double-check runout on the spindle (on the shank of the tool you're using - you never know if your ER collet or chuck could be causing the problem). Otherwise maybe it's rigidity issues which *could* be fixed by scraping, but again I would check and double-check everything else first. It's really not that bad imho, just needs a bit of fiddling to get it cutting accurately.
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips! In some spare time (which I'm lacking actually) I will check if there is any linear error with the dial indicator. I was making already some adjustments but maybe I should have a second look at that. The dovetails doesn't look that bad but the gibs have to be tight in really deep. If I wanted to do scraping on the dovetails - I would probably have to make new gibs. The spindle and collet should be ok - I checked it earlier and there was no visible runout on the dial indicator. After making some adjustments I will try to make some more tests - maybe I'll be able to improve this without doing the last resort :)
@R9000
@R9000 Жыл бұрын
@@GBWM_CNC nice! Again I'm pretty new to this myself so you probably already knew most of what I suggested. But for sure I would try the indicator test. Also to check backlash, zero the indicator, move the axis about a whole bunch and see if it can return to zero reliably. ToT did that in his Maho videos and it seems pretty useful.
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
@@R9000 Follwing his videos too! ToT got's a lot of knowledge. Btw I was doing dial indicator test on each axis and I was sure there is no backlash. I have to do a second test. Maybe I did something wrong haha! :)
@DinosRcModels
@DinosRcModels Жыл бұрын
Hi, can I ask you for some info on using the software? Which do you use to create the gcode? In practice you use a stl as file format?
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
I use F360. It has great funcionality in the hobbyist version for CAD and CAM as well. If you make the 3D model in it then it has its own file format but it can use stl or step files too.
@DinosRcModels
@DinosRcModels Жыл бұрын
@@GBWM_CNC Impressed, considering it's a home made machine!
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
@@DinosRcModels I'm glad you like it! :)
@jf1206
@jf1206 Жыл бұрын
Buenos videos como siempre, lástima q no tenga mucha precisión. Las máquinas con colas de Milano es lo q tienen. Hace tiempo pase una Perrin u1( parecida a la deckel) a cnc. Deje los husillos originales y le puse reglas Digitales. La mejor manera de lograr algo de precisión con esas máquinas es usando unas placas 5i25+7i76 y emplear las reglas para corregir el error. Hay varios post en foros linuxcnc. Esperando nuevos videos, un saludo.
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
Sí, hay un momento difícil con las colas de milano. Tal vez si hago una máquina similar en el futuro, pensaré en rieles estilo Hiwin atornillados a la superficie de cola de milano. Esto podría ser una buena idea con rigidez de hierro fundido y precisión de riel lineal.
@jf1206
@jf1206 Жыл бұрын
También se pueden rectificar en plan casero (con paciencia) , un cristal gordo , tinta China y una dremel con lija. Y se logran resultados espectaculares. Piensa q hay máquinas con colas q van bien como la fp3, fp4..
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
@@jf1206 Verdadero
@DolezalPetr
@DolezalPetr Жыл бұрын
one of the axis is pretty good, like +- 0,01mm but the other one is much worse, like +-0,1mm, the surface finish is about what you would expect from mild steel
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you approved the surface finish :D I'll take a look in some free time into the axes - maybe I will be to find the source of this issue
@wowyummyyy
@wowyummyyy Жыл бұрын
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@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
:) nice cookies btw
@meocats
@meocats Жыл бұрын
looks terrible. Might be the controller or backlashes, most evident on corners
@GBWM_CNC
@GBWM_CNC Жыл бұрын
Dimensions or surface finish? I'll have to take look at backlash but overall I think it's not that bad for steel. Maybe needs some adjustments though.
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