Thanks. In a follow up, I found that the fender bag isn’t great on the fender of a Rally on rough trails(fine on an L) due to the fixed headlamp. Bolted on would work, but I put it on my panniers instead. I also switched the panniers from XL to L. Both fit, but I found that I fill the space if I have it.

How frustrating... will you need snow vids in 6 months time?! I hope they sort it out and you get them soon. Good luck.

Good or bad? 🤣🤣🤣

@@PeakMotorcycles lol! It’s all Madness.

Morning 🌞 Really like your vlog content, you do a good camera coverage also. Just wondering if you've been out on a test with a couple of night's camping load. Not sure of your sequence of vlogs but wondering how the load went. Was there much lift with the front wheels. Still reasonable control off road. Also was this with the standard shockers setup. Did you change the rear settings. I don't think I will purchase new shock's but still like those panniers. If you didn't get a discount that would assume I'm out too. Hey thanks regards John from OZ.

@@johnwayne7210 hi, not yet, or at least not with camping equipment. I’ve done a trail day with 12kg in the panniers, mostly tools and extra clothing and didn’t really notice them. That said, I’ve since decided that I don’t need the XL’s as I’ll be doing short trips and have sold them on eBay and bought some L’s instead. I also found that I do need a wider dry bag to fit all my camping gear in, which will place a load higher up on the bike, but I don’t think there’s another easy way to do it. I’m waiting to get my upgraded forks back, so can’t do any other tests just at the moment, but will do so as soon as I am able. As for the cost, I don’t think they really discount them anywhere, at least not in the UK. There seem to be a few other brands at this price point, Kriega, Mosko etc. So I guess that’s the competition. I also expect there are similar cheaper options out there…. It’s just finding them. If you get Lomo bags where you are, they might be worth a look.

Thanks, and good to know about the fender bag. It looks pretty well fixed, but then until it takes a good beating, you never know for sure. have fun with the XL bags and safe travels.

That’s good to know. The XL’s were probably fine, but I’m not sure I’d ever fill them. The L’s though only slightly smaller, seem to be a better fit on the bike.

Thanks, good to know about the loops! For the rack, I did consider what you suggested, and then checked the price of plastics, and can get a new undrilled rear plastic for £17 + delivery, not worth buying on it’s own, but as part of a bigger order from Thailand it’s just about economical! The rack is pretty easy to put on and off when needed, and I’m using the Rally Pack as a lightweight option, so putting it on a 2kg rack+the bracket adds a fair bit, high up on the bike! I’ll give it a proper run out this week and will see what I can break 🤣

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks usbsol! Bigger tanks definitely carry the weight higher than ideal! I’ve managed to get away with them a couple of times this year and once set, it’s definitely easier. Cheers

Hi Tom, In a later video, I switch to the L panniers front these XL’s, and on my first trail ride on rocky terrain, the fender pack shook loose 🤣. I now have it on the outside of one of the L panniers. (I have a bottle holster on the other one). As a shameless plug, there’s 10% off everything (including luggage) in the Peak Motorcycles store with the code PeakMotoSub

@@PeakMotorcycles Thanks 🙏 I’m collecting the bike on Saturday morning from Newcastle Honda and I’m sure to be online on Saturday evening buying some bits and pieces! As we do 😃 I wasn’t sure if I required pannier racks ? I’m just concerned about heat from the exhaust. Thanks Tom

I’ve a few Kriega bags too. A US-20 and US-30 which I used on my Speed Triple 1050R. I have the Kriega Duo bags and platforms for my Ducati Scrambler and also the inner bag for my GS metal boxes. I had a look at the Kriega OS bags for the CRF but thought the shape and clip on/off might be a bit fiddly so thought I’d try something new. I think the build quality of the Enduristan bags is also very good and they feel a bit more solid than the Kriega US bags, particularly where the clips on the Kriegas attach to the fabric. I’ve seen some with torn off buckles because the shoulder strap was attached to the incorrect buckle. Top work on the congleton to Buxton segment. I started from Dove Holes and am working my way East. I think tomorrow will be Hope to Calver. Enjoy the ride!

Hi Allen, Yup, I agree that there are advantages and disadvantages; I have the metal boxes for my 1250GS and they are very practical and spacious and great for that bike. But that weight comes at a price and on the CRF I think they would look and feel ridiculous! Sorry to hear about the delays, though May isn't that far off. I guess you have an optimum riding season before it gets proper hot. I think I just got lucky with mine, and didn't know I'd be one of the first to get one in the UK (or anywhere...) Roll on late may and have fun on the trails! I used to live in Houston, and am a big fan of TX, but I suspect you have more interesting riding where you are than down in the bayou!

Thanks! I know the Small, Medium and Large all have similar dimension, it’s just the width that changes for the extra capacity. I should try a 4S!

@@PeakMotorcycles fits perfectly on the Rally !

Thanks! I dropped Enduristan a note earlier, and they suggested I try the strap rather than the hooks at the back. I had a quick look and that looks a lot better so I’ll switch it before I head out tomorrow. I also need to cut the lower straps to length and seal the ends, then it should be super easy to take them on and off. (Just the two peg straps) If it helps, I cut quite a lot of video of working out how to tighten the seat straps, but I guess it’s one of those things that you do once per bike. I cut a lot! 🤣🤣🤣

Tail tidy and tail pack are on. Pics on the @PeakMotorcycles IG. I’ll try and get the video up tomorrow. Thanks for watching.

I hope you had a good ride, and yes, the suspension upgrade wasn’t cheap, but for someone of my, er, ‘health’ stock is not ideal!

Yup. Agreed. I now have the liner bags to address that exact point.

Each to their own, though the weight limit for the rear carrier is 4.5kg, and that has to include the weight of your case. The CRF300L and Rally have a welded rather than a bolt on frame, and though I expect there is a significant safety tolerance built in there, I'm not sure how much stuff you can practically carry in a rear mounted case. 2-2.5kg at the most. That's probably enough for day trips, but if you need more then either a bag on the pillion seat or some sort of panniers will help. The overall limit weight for the bike is 162 kg, and with the soft suspension, I don't expect I'll be carrying a pillion, and even if I did, I don't think I'd have the luggage on. I'm sure there's a lot of folks who are using the bikes like this for day rides, and for whom even the rack is unnecessary weight. Ride safe and if you do get a rear case, I'd be interested to know how you get on with it. I've not seen any others using one yet, but the standard Honda rack will fit a top box, either the Honda one or a Givi one. Thanks,

@@PeakMotorcycles Will update you when I get mine. Supposedly ships to the states on the 12th and may be ready by the end of the month. I was thinking of a small pelican box or roll packs.

Itchy Boots is currently doing expedition riding on a seven year old CRF250L, with lots of luggage. She seems to be doing just fine. It would be interesting to know how much weight she is carrying.

@@0HARE I think it’s also about where the weight is on the bike; Having weight at the back high up makes more of a difference to handling, and places more strain on the frame than the same weight further forward and lower.

@@0HARE Itchy Boots is a great channel. I want the rear pegs available for my wife on the occasional ride. For long solo rides they would be okay but a roll bag might work just as well, all depends on what you carry.

Enduristan do a tool pouch that fits inside the fender bag called a ‘Lyndons Organiser’. Nothing quite like real world feedback to get something just right!

You are very welcome!

Thanks

@@PeakMotorcycles How do you get on with heat from the exhaust mate against bag ??

@@The_Arby I’ve not ridden far, but so far so good. I have the stock hear shield which never seems to get particularly hot (always cold enough to touch) and that’s the only contact point. I’ll ride further at the weekend and let you know.

@@The_Arby update from a day riding trails on the bike. No heat problems on the bags. I left the bottle holster where it is and the outside was a bit warm, but no more than that. All the straps were fine so I think that’s a good outcome.

They are, I guess it’s how much space you need. They do have compression straps, but they will only do so much. I’ve been impressed by them so far. Will see what happens when I’ve dropped the bike on them a few times 🤣

Hi Oskar, you were right, for me at least! I've swapped my XL's for some L's (XL's went on eBay, and new L's from Enduristan). They are just a little shorter, but fit the bike a bit better. I also got the inner bags. Lastly the 2021 version of the bags has an easier to adjust seat strap. I'll do an update video shortly.

@@PeakMotorcycles wow, that’s a great follow up answer!! Thank you for the update. I am now choosing between the mosko motos reckless 40L and Enduristan Blizzard L. It’s down to a coin toss soon 🙃 Also I got new bashplate from yamoto, and have ordered all H2C covers, moto x stainless system, and frame guards. I have received my YSS rear shock and front spring and will try to get the on the bike this weekend. Lovely bike, especially for off-road fun!

@@PeakMotorcycles So any result? let's share opinion after 1 year, please. it would be good!

They can be fitted without the rear rack, and you can replace the 'hooks' with a strap (which comes with the bags). For me, the straps are far enough back, but I tend to sit almost on the tank. I'll see if they get in the way when I've ridden a bit more.

Nice. Can you, er, still get your leg over?! 🤣 my ballet skills are limited, so keeping the seat height clear makes for less entertainment for onlookers when I’m getting on and off. I suspect I have enough already, but I’ll take a look. Good to have options if I do a long journey.

At my age I have to do the one foot lunge over the seat 😬

@@MrDan850r aye, I’m the same. People find it funny!

It’s just ahead and far enough below that I think it’s clear. I’ll test it tomorrow, perhaps put a tea bag in the bottle just in case 🤣

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks and yes, they seem pretty solid.

I'm not sure. I guess a removable subframe can be replaced if it gets bent or broken, but then I also expect that the Honda engineers have done their homework and built the CRF300L thinking they have done enough. We shall see. I haven't broken mine yet!

Thanks. It started as a lockdown project when there was nothing else to do and sort of grew from there....

Depends how you attach it. I have two load loops bolted to the pillion peg bolts and two more to the rear seat bolts. To fix the blizzards, I just throw them over and put the 4 bits of webbing through the loops and tighten each one. Probably takes a minute. Two if you have aching hands at the end of a long day! It’s not as easy as a single lock or clip, but it’s ok and easy enough to not be annoying.

Thanks. Though lockdown has been hard… when the world gets back to normal the same stuff will be barely average!

Smaller.

Was that the post on FB? Looked very tidy. If it was, I commented there but if not, just check what it’s touching, and what it might hit if it could slide forwards or back. Also if touching the metal, it might be worth putting some helicopter tape on the frame to stop the straps from wearing through the paint. If it was the one from FB, and you have the rear hooks on the bolts, I’d be 100% sure that won’t come loose with a bit of stretch. If it will, find another solution, maybe by removing the hooks and looping round or even putting some eyelets at the back.

@@PeakMotorcycles Thanks, yes it's the facebook one. I read your comment. Ok!

I actually switched to the L panniers and decided that if I needed more space, I’d use a bigger roll bag or take less stuff. Are you in the UK? If you’re near the Peak District and would like to come and try them for size, drop me a note to admin@peakmotorcycles.com

Thanks so much for the reply! Unfortunately, I'm in Texas - but your offer has put a smile on my face. I'll go with some smaller bags which was my gut feeling. Love the stuff you do, thanks! @@PeakMotorcycles

@@coolbananaboy5075that is a bit of a trek to try some bags, but yes, smaller is probably better. This is what mine looks like with the L panniers: instagram.com/p/CeB1oCIIKwR

You’re welcome.

Probably, but I’ve never tried. You can sit all the way at the back of the seat, on the straps if you wish, they don’t really get in the way.

Hi Valentin, Only 10% of the audience is from the UK, so I'm not sure how those prices compare worldwide, also I'm not sure if they will change over time (and I hope this video will be up for a while!). Prices from Enduristan UK on 29th March 2021 are Rally Pack, £53.79, Bottle Holster £21.52, Fender bag £37.16 and Blizzard Saddle Bags XL are £303.18. UK postage is £5.95. As for the fender bag on the Rally, yup, exactly as you said! (I have my offroad video from Wednesday to edit where I make this change). Essentially, I don't think the fender bag is ideal on the Rally when mounted on the fender. I had tools in mine and it was quite heavy. It started sliding forwards after a few minutes of riding on a rocky trail, so I took it off and put it in the panniers. I was riding with a friend on a CRF300L and because it doesn't have the Rally fairing, and the headlamp moves with the steering, the fender pack can be mounted much closer to the headlight, with both clips on the narrow bit of the mudguard. I'll be fitting my fender bag to the pannier without the bottle carrier. Thanks for watching and ride safe!

Hi, yes, the LED’s are standard on the 300 Rally in the UK. The L gets the bulbous orange ones.

Neither. There are two products, tail packs in two sizes and a fender bag in one size. This video is the fender bag and it’s this: enduristan.co.uk/collections/tail-bags/products/fender-bag

Thanks

What size? Anything on the rear rack should be fine, though the weight limit for the bike is 162kg (less in some places) so with a pillion + riding gear for both of you, unless you are both rather light, there won’t be much or any capacity for luggage.

From a seating perspective, yes. The rear seat is accessible with the bags. I think you will have two other problems thought. The first is the footpegs as I used those to attach the lower straps, so the pillion might not be able to get their feet on them, and if they can, they might be kicking the calves of the rider. The second is the weight limit for the bike. Depending on where you are, it's rated for 150-155kg total. If you're a 80kg rider, 90kg in gear, and you're carrying 20kg of luggage, that leaves 45kg for a pillion in gear. So anyone larger than a small child will greatly exceed the weight limit for the bike. I'm 125kg in gear and with 20kg of luggage leaves only 5kg for the pillion. I guess I could take their helmet! That said, I'm sure you could take someone a short distance, carefully, but if you're looking for a travel bike to ride 2 up, I don't think it's particularly well suited.

290mm on the lowest, 380mm on the highest. It is adjustable, and is one of these: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191748422212

Hi, I think the tricky bit will be getting the seat bolts back in. I expect you can do it, but perhaps with an extra pair of hands to lift them while the bolts go back in. You would also have to make sure they were adjusted for length first too as that would be tricky once they are on. Not a ‘no’ but I don’t think that would be ideal on this bike. If the seat came off more easily with a key latch then definitely.

There was some warmth, but nothing significant. That was from a days riding on mixed road and trails. I was more worried about the contact points from the webbing but that was all ok too. I’ve a heat shield that I’d install when/if I do the exhaust, but for now it seems ok.

You are very welcome, though I think I’ve nearly run out of things to do, after that it’ll be just riding. Which is way more fun. For me at least! Ride safe.

Did you get the gold or black wheels? (The only extras I had on my 1250 were black wheels, Akra HP exhaust and the shift-cam width engine bars. BMW moved the spotlights from my 1200 and put the Vario top box mount in the rear rack. I have added the wunderlich ‘wing’ on the screen, wunderlich up and back bar risers, and I have the GSA pannier racks (which needed the GSA rear footpegs). I use it more of a tourer and it only goes off-road on trails occasionally. The 300 Rally goes off road far more 😁

I have an Enduristan Inferno heat shield. So far it has stopped the bags from melting!

@@PeakMotorcycles Thanks!

Hi Tim, it came from Ghost Bikes and it’s one of these: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191748422212

@@PeakMotorcycles thanks!

Over here (UK) it’s £5k for the L and £6100 for the Rally, both out the door. And there’s no stock, and a waiting list so I guess they have no reason to discount at the moment. Not sure how that works in the US, but from some of the other comments it’s a similar situation, except stock is even more limited with some reports of deliveries in the summer. Give it a year and perhaps they will take lower offer. Once the supply chain is sorted out I’m sure there’s a deal to be had, but as long as there’s a queue of folks who will pay list, it’s a sellers market I’m afraid. Good luck, and I hope you find your deal.

Hi Jeff, that was planned for the weekend, but we had a lot of snow and ice, unusual for the UK at this time of year, but not ideal for riding. I’d rather fall off while no one is looking!

I don't know whether you can do this on the CRF but on many ADV bikes you can run the cross straps under the seat instead of on top of it. That does give a little more room for sliding backwards,.

@@RichardReeve_K1W1, I think the problem would be getting to the bolts to refit the seat. If it was a key release, and you could essentially push it down on top of the straps. There are two bolts that I think would be hard to get to once the panniers are on.

Hi, I’ll let you know after tomorrow! My guess is probably not, or if there are any marks it’ll be on the plastics and stickers, and I’d probably choose that over having the extra cost and weight of frames. Let’s see. The trails around here are dry at the moment so I guess it’ll be dust rather than mud, but the trails are rocky so it’ll be a good test of using trail dust as a grinding paste!

@@PeakMotorcycles Any news after that time?

The seat bolts are difficult to access when the bags are installed, any adjustment is also difficult and there's various wiring under the seat which might be damaged by the straps. It's also a lot harder to remove them if the straps are under the seat. In the case of a pillion, the straps are pretty much flat on the seat so I don't think there's any discomfort for anyone to sit on them. There are two somewhat bigger problems; The first is that I used the pillion pegs for the lower fixings and I think this would limit the ability for any pillion to get their feet on the pegs. Even with moving the bags back to free up the pegs, I'm not sure where else you could fix them. The second problem is that the rated weight capacity for the bike is 150kg. Me in riding gear is around 125kg. If I have 15kg of luggage, then that leaves 10kg for the pillion with gear. I'm sure there are many (most!?) riders who are lighter than me, but if you're thinking of carrying luggage and then adding a pillion, mind how you go as the bike really isn't made for that, especially with luggage. I'm sure there's a safety tolerance in that load weight, but I'm not sure when you run out of suspension and risk damaging the frame. If I had to, I'd ask the pillion to sit on the straps and keep any 2-up + Luggage travel to a minimum.

In the video it's the H2C that I got from Bikerzbits. Since then, I also tried the Yamoto, the Rally Raid and finally settled on the Adventure Spec one (which is what I have on my bike now)

@@PeakMotorcycles ok thanks for the reply 👍

Yup. Will see how warm it gets. I’ll take a tea bag just in case, and then pretend that was as designed 🤣. The heat shield seems to work quite well and the exhaust doesn’t run too hot. At least not that I’ve noticed.

Link some beta? Not sure what that means, but it’s an H2C rack. I did a video on it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ieBle82Uu92opKc.html And it came from here: bikerzbits.com/crf300l-rally-h2c-rear-carrier-apk1tal50410ta.html

Thanks Andre! That’s just what I needed. Cheers!

@@luckyintervale might also be worth mentioning that I’ve since switched to the Yamoto rack (also from Bikerzbits, and saves 1kg over the H2C) and I also changed to the L Blizzard panniers from the XL. I decided I’d rather have them slightly smaller and add dry bags for more capacity.

Nice… can’t wait for my Rally to arrive; your channel has been super helpful in planning my build! 🙏🙏

@@luckyintervale I’d also suggest trying everything stock first. I’m still on my stock tyres until they wear out and will then switch. I even managed on the stock suspension for 600 miles (and a few bottom outs…). That said, it does help with the wait to plan!

Depends on the shape. It’ll take a 1.5L aluminium water bottle, so as long as it’s a similar diameter you should be fine.

Depends on the shape. It’ll take a 1.5L aluminium water bottle, so as long as it’s a similar diameter you should be fine.