Gear List GR20 & TMB (5.8KG)

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I got really tired during the filming process of this video, hope you don't mind :).
// w a n t t o h i k e t h e t m b i n g r o u p ?
You can hike this trail with others! Travelbase offers these hikes, I know their company and trust them a lot.
Dutch speaking option: themontblanctrail.com/nl/mbt2...
French speaking option: themontblanctrail.com/fr/mbt2...
// h i k i n g g u i d e s
I made my own hiking guides! Find them here: floordenil.com/en/product-cat...
// g e a r l i s t - c h r o n o l o g i c a l (the gear I could find online)
Meindl Hiking Boots
meindl.de/product/caracas-lad...
Salomon Trail Runners
www.salomon.com/en-us/shop/pr...
Atom+ Backpack
www.atompacks.co.uk/online-st...
Zpacks Shoulder Strap Pads
zpacks.com/products/pair-of-s...
Leki Journey Lite Hiking Poles
www.leki.com/us/trekking/pole...
Katadyn BeFree Waterfilter
www.amazon.com/Katadyn-BeFree...
Joby Gorillapod Tripod
www.amazon.co.uk/Joby-Gorilla...
Titanium Tent Stakes (18 cm)
www.haringboer.nl/product/18c...
Eider Rainjacket (Out Of Production)
Thermarest Z-Lite
www.thermarest.com/ie/sleepin...
Zpacks Duplex Tent
zpacks.com/products/duplex-tent
Osprey Dry Sacks
www.ospreyeurope.com/shop/gb_...
Light My Fire Titanium Spork
www.amazon.com/Light-my-Fire-...
Falke Trekking Socks (TK2)
www.falke.com/uk_en/tk2-sensi...
RAB Microlight Alpine Jacket (Out Of Production)
Sea To Summit Pack Liner
seatosummitusa.com/collection...
Zpacks Goose Down Socks
zpacks.com/products/goose-socks
Anker Powercore 20100
www.anker.com/products/varian...
Petzl Head Lamp
www.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/CLA...
Enlightened Equipment Revelation Custom Quilt
enlightenedequipment.com/reve...
0:00 - Intro
0:35 - Clothes (sleeping outfit)
1:25 - Hiking shoes
2:33 - Pack
4:23 - Items on the shoulder straps
5:07 - Stuff in the side pockets
6:53 - Stuff in the mesh pocket
8:48 - Stuff in the bottom pocket
10:49 - Tent
11:37 - Food bag
12:06 - Clothes (hiking clothes)
13:20 - Down jacket
13:42 - Stuff inside a pack liner
14:00 - Goose down socks
14:19 - Powerbank
14:49 - Ditty bag
16:57 - Quilt
// m o r e o f m e - d u t c h
floordenil.com
floordenil
// m u s i c i n t h i s v i d e o
Pancakes - Jeff Kaale

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@AtomPacks 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor - great video! Sorry to see you had an issue with your hipbelt pocket - We have only in the last few months been made aware of this issue and immediately changed the elastic that we were using to something much stronger. I'll get a new hipbelt pocket in the mail to you tomorrow :)

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Woooooow, that’s so great!!! Thank you! Looking forward to it :).

@nienket5844 4 жыл бұрын

Ik heb nog nooit een hike gedaan en ben dat eigenlijk ook niet van plan, maar ik vind het altijd hééééél tof om naar jouw hike-video's te kijken!! (Just to let you know dat dit soort video's ook niet-hikers aanspreekt)

@t.vanoosterhout233 4 жыл бұрын

Ik vind vooral de tussengeluidjes die je maakt erg grappig! 🎷🎻 Verder solide informatie, een tamelijk lichtgewicht uitrusting zonder al te gekke dingen als kampsandalen of een opvouwbaar stoeltje, ziet er degelijk uit. Ik heb een paar jaar terug wat stukken Kungsleden gelopen, maar daarbij heb ik steeds in die hutten gelogeerd wat wel gezellig en comfortabel was maar ook nogal duur. Ben benieuwd of er dit jaar een wandelseizoen komt...

@Hannah-xb6yd 4 жыл бұрын

This video is so helpful - thank you!

@howtobymayeeddie366 3 жыл бұрын

Hi ! I’m from the Philippines . Also, a newbie to your channel, to camping and hiking 😬 I’m learning a lot . Thanks

@seb25100 2 жыл бұрын

Love your swedish plastic bag. Handlarn - gör vardagen enklare. ( the trader - makes everyday easier). Looking forward to your next videos! Greatings from Sweden.

@davidpope9892 4 жыл бұрын

Yay a new video!!!

@06NightWolf 4 жыл бұрын

Hello Floor! Sooooo great video, I'm about to do the GR this year! I'd like to know, There is differents options when you chose your Quilt, what did you take ? What is the confort temperature, the size, the down type you took ?

@os-channel 10 ай бұрын

Dear Floor, the hint for the Atom Packs bag pack was brillant. I ordered the Mo and had great experience and fun with it on the GR20 ending last week.🤗.

@floordenil 9 ай бұрын

Aaaahhhh they’re amazing, right?? So happy I could help and you like it! Congratulations on your GR20 :)

@CubeShimmy 3 жыл бұрын

I like you! Thanks for recommending Atom packs!

@TanukiParis 4 жыл бұрын

The GR10 (HRP), GR91 (Vercors) and GR34 are really nice also.

@sherryflavour3791 4 жыл бұрын

Wow you're positive energy is so contagious! Which trail did you enjoy the most and what's your next trail?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Sherry Flavour Thanks, Sherry! I enjoyed the GR20 more, because you have to climb a little bit sometimes, I liked those parts :). You’re also more in the middle of nowhere on the GR20. The TMB is more pleasing to the eye in my opinion (more variation), but you pass a lot of towns and a lot of people who are dayhiking... So not much solitude on the TMB :).

@joaonevessantos 4 ай бұрын

Watching your video 4 years later, as I am planning my TMB this summer. I'm amazed how your backpack only weighed 5.8 kg with a tent, since I've simulated putting all the gear I need (and I'm sleeping in refuges) and it goes beyond the 6.5 kg mark. Although my choices are minimalist, I'll try and reduce the weight even further, if possible.

@lailaismail7350 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing and helpful videos I have a question How do you film yourself in these trails What camera do you use Can you give a small tutorial or suggestions Thanks again xoxo

@NSSdirector 3 жыл бұрын

Hellooo, thanks for the great videos. Just considering a new tent and was wondering about your experience with condensation in single wall tents? Thanks!

@Charsept 2 жыл бұрын

You have a really nice energy 😆👍 You're the first person I've heard pronounce Nike that way. 😅

@ilovetexas-9571 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Floor, i was just wondering what the temperature rating on your quilt is, I am currently deciding between a -12 and -6 degree quilt and not sure if I would be fine in the -6 option since I also tend to be a cold sleeper (also female)

@Jarah 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video, thanks. Just wondering where you stored your boots/guides between hikes?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I had a little holiday of a week with my family in the South of France, so they took my boots with them and took my trail runners home :). Otherwise I would've sent them home by postal service.

@labradorphobospathfinder 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing

@thomasharriso5570 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video . Your cool!

@megalicious7757 4 жыл бұрын

Any trip planned this summer? All the views of your videos in the last month or so are probably me. lol.

@tatianaalmeida9425 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor! Thank you for the great video! I like the sleeping pad! Where did you get it?

@apaarjeet 2 жыл бұрын

I had the same question. I hope Floor will reply to this. This isn't in the list she has put the links of.

@dirk2518 3 жыл бұрын

Bonfus in Norway also have a dyneema tent

@allabellaa 4 жыл бұрын

hi! i really likes your videos on your recent hikes! i was just wondering about your thoughts on the atom +? been thinking about switching to lightweight/ultralight, do you think its worth the investment?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I really think it's worth the investment. The pack is 1.5 kg lighter than my former Osprey, and is really comfortable. If your other gear is lightweight (the pack can only hold up a certain amount of weight) it's definitely worth buying (in my opinion)!

@TheTrailDancer 4 жыл бұрын

Look forward to your vids!!! You seriously make me smile LOTS! Question, Kungsladen or TMB for a fairly new backpacker. I have friends that I have introduced hiking to and they want to do a larger trail next summer. Thoughts? I haven't done the TMB, so I can't comment. What’s been your favorite hike so far?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

I would suggest hiking the Kungsleden first. It's longer, but more mellow. Also 'easier' because the trail on the Kungsleden is better indicated and you can wildcamp wherever you want :). If the Kungsleden is too long, you can only hike one part (the trail is divided in 4 parts). If, however, you like passing by some little towns on trail, you should hike the TMB.

@TheTrailDancer 4 жыл бұрын

Floor, what’s been your favorite hike so far? ❤️ is there one that’s affected you more emotionally? The Kungsladen has been one of my favorites (but I haven’t done all); New Zealand and the Tatra are amazing and of course the PCT. Also, how did your Duplex hold up to the weather in 🇸🇪?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrailDancer Duplex was great in Sweden. Always a bit of condensation at night, though, but it didn't bother me. Choosing my favorite hike is like choosing between apples and oranges! Each one has its own qualities :). They all affected me a lot emotionally. I think the Kungsleden and GR20 were the 'biggest' trails I did, but again: it's comparing apples to oranges :p. I recommend them all!

@TheTrailDancer 4 жыл бұрын

Floor Denil ya I feel the same... what’s next?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrailDancer Haven't decided yet!

@saihttam41 4 жыл бұрын

Hi! Can you use trail runners for the Kungsleden as well? Nice vid!

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Matthias Roels In terms of ‘steadiness’ on the feet: definitely! But your feet will be wet when it rains (which is not sooo often on the Kungsleden, but happens once a while).

@bontasbogdan 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor, love your content! Quick question: I see you only have only a set of clothes for both treks. Do you wash you shirt at any time during the hike? :D If so, how do you manage to dry it out? I'm planning on doing TMB and want to go as light as possible, but not sure how will I manage to dry out my day shirt for the next day. Thanks!

@floordenil 2 жыл бұрын

Heyhey! I sometimes rinse them in water and hang them over my pack to dry during the day. But that's not often the case. I only wash underwear every day, my shirts just... stink, I guess? :p

@OscarOrpen 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor. Thank you for another great video. Id really like to order a new Quilt. Roughly what did you pay for thimport cost?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Oscar! In Belgium, it was around 33% of the amount of the quilt (quite a lot, I didn't think of the import cost while I was purchasing it).

@philippehoudart9304 2 жыл бұрын

top video thx

@neilbopperson4801 2 жыл бұрын

Hey floor - did you only take hiking boots? No other footwear for down time?

@kaurievleugels1479 4 жыл бұрын

Hoi Floor, erg nuttig filmpje! :-) Ik zou ook graag de shoulder strap pads van Zpacks aankopen, omdat ik vaak last heb van mijn sleutelbeen tijdens het wandelen (heb ook een Osprey backpack). Heb jij deze rechtstreeks uit Amerika besteld? Jammer dat de verzendkosten zo hoog zijn!

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Kaurie! Ik heb deze inderdaad vanuit Amerika besteld. De verzendkosten zijn inderdaad ontzettend hoog, en dan zijn de importkosten er nog niet bijgerekend (had ik niet aan gedacht). Misschien goed nieuws voor jou: ik heb destijds twee paar gekocht en heb hier nog één paar ongebruikt liggen. Als je me even privé contacteert wil ik ze wel doorverkopen aan jou!

@kaurievleugels1479 4 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil Zalig! :-D

@arnaut7303 4 жыл бұрын

hi floor! why did you cut the corners of your thermarest? nice video :)

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

A V Thanks! I cut them off to save some little extra weigh. You don’t need them anyway, the matrass is really roomy!

@VandaelJoris 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Floor, Heb je je duplex ook rechtstreeks in Amerika gekocht? of toch ergens binnen Europa? Duur tentje maar lijkt wel DE tent als je zo op internet kijkt. Btw leuke filmpjes! Grts Joris

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Joris! Ik kocht de Duplex online, maar heb me serieus mispakt aan de invoerkosten. Niet echt aan te raden op die manier :p. Ik zou voorstellen om aan een vriend(in) die naar Amerika gaat te vragen om eentje mee te nemen!

@mikejenkins2166 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, and thanks for your video. So you only took 1 short sleeve shirt and 1 pair of shorts? No long sleeve shirt or long hiking pants??

@floordenil 3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, I definitely took yogapants and a longsleeve shirt! Those that I'm wearing in the video, I used them to sleep in at night :). I think I mention it in the beginning of the video before I start with the stuff in my pack.

@blueneet84 Жыл бұрын

Great pack but I found my water bottles kept falling forward and were not very secure.

@francesca4569 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Floor! What is the brand of your trekking bra and clothing? Thanks for the video!

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Francesca Bibi Hey Francesca! My bra, red shirt and shorts are from the brand ‘Only’. My sleeping shirt is from Columbia, sleeping pants are from Nike! Just any running/sportsbrand will do actually, I don’t look for specific brands but just try on a bunch of clothes in a sportsstore :).

@dorkofcork1 3 жыл бұрын

Many years ago the GR 20 broke me . I just completed the HRP and thought I would smash it .....instead it broke me.... Did the North Section and the entire refuge of mainly Bavarians got the serious shits... The weather was real bad (It was nearly October) and some conflict was going on also ... After I recovered I did a Mare to Mare trip to Cargese which was very nice and 2 shore beech walks on both the North and South coasts.

@pixelfascination 4 жыл бұрын

Floor. If you get bored of cold soaking Cous Cous then Quinoa works well for cold soaking too. It's just a change of taste and texture when you feel that if you see Cous Cous again you'll kill someone :D

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha, might be a good tip for longer hikes, indeed :p. For now, the change of herbs once a while worked fine. Thanks for the tip!!

@pixelfascination 4 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil You're welcome and I love your videos. You've inspired me to do the Kungsleden next summer. If you're ever in England I recommend The Peninne way or the Wainwright Coast to Coast/Hadrians Wall walk as they're beautiful multi-day treks :)

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

@@pixelfascination Greaaaat! Have fun on the Kungsleden :). You'll love it for sure. I will add those England-treks so my 'someday-list'. Thanks again!

@Carsten-ic7zi 4 жыл бұрын

Hello, do you also need your quilt with the straps and the Z-Lite? How it World? Thank you

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey! I didn't use the straps on these hikes as the temperatures weren't so cold at night :).

@dalefalgate2716 3 жыл бұрын

I'm about to buy my atom pack but can't work out if I want the 35l or 40l. I am waiting for my duplex to turn up and currently have a 450 fill cumulus quilt. I go a lot stinky than you though as I dont take spare clothes except thermals.

@floordenil 3 жыл бұрын

My 35L is a little tight so when I have to carry a lot of food I wish I would've gone for the 40L, but on the other hand I've never had a REALLY big problem concerning extra room in my pack, till now I've always been able to store everything inside :)!

@TheMaecki 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor. Whilst camping, where were you charging your powerbank and phone?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

When I got to a place with electricity, I charged my powerbank. So for example at a campsite, restaurant, something like that :).

@tassiavibes5719 4 жыл бұрын

hahahaha love you already

@MrEditorsMusic 4 жыл бұрын

Is the color of the pack "Bahama blue"? I just received a small patch sample and the one I got is darker in real life, not baby blue like in this video.

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey I think so :). Maybe the color grading in this video makes it baby blue. It's more a bright 'in-the-face'-blue. Maybe you get a better view of this color in my video of the TMB or the GR20 where I'm wearing the pack on trail!

@gabrielmoreira506 4 жыл бұрын

Hey, Im new to your channel. As Im living in Europe I have a logistics question. I wanted to order a Zpacks tent for myself but I have no idea of the taxes when importing such a product. I saw that there are 1 or 2 European websites that sell them but the price is 30% higher so my question is: did you buy yours in the US or imported? Did they charge you a lot when doing so? Im in France btw (:

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Gabriel! The import costs of a Zpacks tent are really high... I didn't think about it when I ordered mine, but they're about 30% of the price of a tent. I would suggest asking a friend that goes to the US to bring one for you, but as we're in this weird corona-situation I don't really know a solution to order it right now...

@gabrielmoreira506 4 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil Exactly. As I imagined it makes sense then to maybe order from one of these EU resellers since I would avoid waiting and having a surprise. Thank you!

@mahmoudmarei3117 3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielmoreira506 check out bonfus for europe dcf tent maker

@eatingmydesk 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Floor, hoeveel onderbroeken neem je mee op lange hikes? Ik ben momenteel zelf aan het pakken voor het laatste stuk van de GR5 en heb geen idee, merci!

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

eatingmydesk Hey! Ik neem er 2 mee. Dan draag ik eentje terwijl ik de andere was/droog!

@eatingmydesk 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@rasyonel1259 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor, I couldn’t find a gear video about the cameras you are using ? What model is it ?

@floordenil 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Reyhan! I used the Canon G7x mark II since I hiked the Kungsleden :). I would consider buying the mark III though, that one has a mic input!

@rasyonel1259 3 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil Hey Floor, the more I look into mark III the more negative comments I read about autofocus. it looks like mark ii is still the winner. external mic of course a good thing but your videos sounds alright.

@floordenil 3 жыл бұрын

@@rasyonel1259 Oh sorry, didn't know that! Good thing you did some research, thanks for letting me know :). Mind that the sound in my newest videos (where I talk about safety measures, tips for the TMB, tips for the GR20 etc) are filmed with an external microphone, so that's not the sound of the Mark II. I use the sound of the mark II in my hiking videos of the TMB, GR20 and Kungsleden, as well as in this video. The sound is indeed ok, but not very good if that's what you're looking for :)!

@allisoncronnelly5004 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor, great videos - thank you. Does the 5.8kg include clothes & toiletries?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Allisson! Yes, it’s everything except food and water :)

@allisoncronnelly5004 4 жыл бұрын

Floor Denil thank you very much for getting back to me. That is so good. I’m planning on doing TMB in July but my bag weighs 1.5kgs more. I must try harder! 😀

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

@@allisoncronnelly5004 That's a great pack weight!! My first thru-hike was with a baseweight of 12 kg. Could be worse, but I suffered a bit from that weight during the hike :).

@allisoncronnelly5004 4 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil ok I have decided to bite the bullet and import a ZPacks Duplex - that will save 500g. Did you get the blue regular one or the green slightly heavier? Are you happy with yours. Thank you so much

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

@@allisoncronnelly5004 Hi! Nice! I have the blue one and I'm very happy with it. Keep in mind that you'll have to pay for import costs and they're not low! Just so you know because I forgot about that when I ordered mine. Also: changing your pack to a lightweight pack saves a lot of weight too! I think the difference between my two packs is 1.5 kg!

@saskia4172 4 ай бұрын

Heb je nooit iets bij je qua (wat uitgebreider) EHBO-setje?

@apaarjeet 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor! Am planning the GR20 this year. Sleeping Pad; really want this one. Can you tell us the brand please?

@floordenil 2 жыл бұрын

Heyhey! It’s a sleeping mat from Thermarest, I linked it in the description :)

@apaarjeet 2 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil merci infinement!

@johnclements6614 4 жыл бұрын

Great Video Do not bin stuff because they smell, If the socks are no good for hiking now you can wear them around the house. Did you say what your Leki poles are. I have carbon lite but screw closure rather than the clip which you appear to have.

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey John! The socks are freshly washed in the meantime, so good to go! :) I have trekking poles with clip closures, indeed. These are the first ones I ever bought and I'm really happy with them. Don't know if the clip-closure is actually better than a screw-closure, but these work fine for me!

@johnclements6614 4 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil So Good to go! I think when I buy my next trekking poles I will buy with clips. You were correct first time. Say hi to Emil.

@TomClaessens 3 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil I prefer the clip closure instead of the screw/twist locks. For some reason my twist locks get undone during use. Relocking at the right height is easy because of the markings but if it happens 4-5 times a day, on a 10-day hike that's about an hour of time wasted on locking the poles again. So my next ones will definately be clip-locked trekking poles.

@zonzeven 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video! No compass, no map?

@donaldvanvliet9039 20 күн бұрын

All in the cellphone ;)

@beachgirl9823 2 жыл бұрын

Hey…where have you been?

@-Anjel 4 жыл бұрын

you shouldn't stuff the tent like that. The material is made by laminating layers together, stuffing it like that, causes unnecessary folds and therefore fail points. The layers start peeling off each other. DCF should be folded and rolled tightly trying to follow the old fold patterns, that's why the sack that comes with is so small and not compressible.

@samdonvil7687 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Floor, thx for the video. I was wondering why you took a two person tent? Flexibility? More space? Does it make much of a difference in terms of weight?

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Sam! I like to have some space for my backpack inside my tent. In terms of weight it's not a big difference, I think it's around a difference of 100 grams :).

@TomClaessens 3 жыл бұрын

I know a lot of hikers that hike solo but use a two person tent. More comfortable, although that isn't high on the priority list it's nice. There's enough room for your pack, and if you have a vestibule, you can also cook "inside" during bad weather. Also the tent Floor uses is extremely light for a two person tent. At the start I purchased a QuickHiker UL tent from Decathlon, which is considered "light" at 2kg, but compared to zpacks, that's almost 4 times as heavy. However the zpacks is also 4 times as expensive xD In Europe, you can also buy the Nordisk Lofoten 2 ulw for instance, which has the same weight as the zpacks however the zpacks including 30% taxes is 100 euros cheaper compared to the Nordisk tent.

@dirk2518 3 жыл бұрын

@@TomClaessens Bonfus in norway has a dyneema tent

@fredrikedlundh2546 3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, your tent "bag" is obviously from Sweden :D

@floordenil 3 жыл бұрын

Haha, still have it from the Kungsleden :p!

@wimvandevelde4212 Жыл бұрын

Geen slaapzak meegenomen?

@FromAtoVi 4 жыл бұрын

Bruinerd haha!

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

From A to Vi Toen nog wel ja 😅

@beachgirl9823 2 жыл бұрын

1:53 find someone who loves you as much as this 👍🏻😂🥰

@user-gi5lg7gq6p 11 ай бұрын

okk

@ReskatorDZ 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your videos. But it is impossible that TOTAL weight of your pack was 5.8kg. Only water and food in your video are weights more. I guess in total you came to 11-13kg, which BTW are amazing. BTW My backpack on GR20 in total full load was 32kg, from which 9kg was food, 3kg was water, 7kg was photo equipment. And the rest was gear (about 13-15kg). To be honest, I think it could be lowered by 3-5kg (the stuff I didn't used). And defiantly, you could leave ALL food behind, and take extra money. ;) P.S. You have an awesome speed during your hikes. Respect.

@floordenil 4 жыл бұрын

Hey! Pack weight is usually based on the base weight of your pack. That means it doesn’t include water and food :).

@ReskatorDZ 4 жыл бұрын

@@floordenil Interesting point of view. In xUSSR we calculating REAL weight of the pack before trip. Or maximum load, if it is several sections track, with possibility to resupply.