Method's Loot/Gear Strategy Explained, World First Race Tactics

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GeekyNet

GeekyNet

5 жыл бұрын

Watch MethodJosh explain how Method went over 100 MILLION GOLD in debt, did 6 Heroic "split runs" and used game mechanics to gain serious advantages for the Mythic World First race in Battle for Dazar'alor. You can watch their World First kill of Mythic Lady Jaina Proudmoore here: • Method vs Lady Jaina P...
You can hear how they killed the boss here:
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@imakechildrencry
@imakechildrencry 5 жыл бұрын
Suddenly regular old heroic splits with master looting doesn't seem that bad.
@DoominikD
@DoominikD 5 жыл бұрын
WTF blizzard have u done
@maggimaster
@maggimaster 5 жыл бұрын
But "trials deserve loot too"
@nestrior7733
@nestrior7733 5 жыл бұрын
Heavily influence the economy of three servers or live with the occasional abuse of a tool that gives players control? Looking at the lottery that is WoW these days, I think we can see what will be in the future.
@rundur4805
@rundur4805 5 жыл бұрын
I wish Blizzard was so dedicated to making their game as Method is dedicated in getting their wrld 1st.
@MrSilvershane
@MrSilvershane 5 жыл бұрын
This is super dedication and planning.
@Vadered99
@Vadered99 5 жыл бұрын
It's insane is what it is. Both that method did it (and they are the good kind of insane) and that Blizzard set up a system that allows it (the bad kind of insane).
@arthurschopenhauer292
@arthurschopenhauer292 5 жыл бұрын
Addiction
@thehallmonitor4515
@thehallmonitor4515 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine if any other guild could get that much power behind them. Its like an analogy I use: Limit started a race in a Ferrari 16 hours before Method to race across the United states. Method got a F22 to race though. They had more gear, more gold, more fallowers on twitch. Those things actually matter in these races.
@tonic316
@tonic316 5 жыл бұрын
Vadered99 method is good insane? Lmao. They have a brain disorder. Imagine if they put this effort to soemthing constructive
@marcellowheeler88
@marcellowheeler88 5 жыл бұрын
@@tonic316 they're probably getting paid for it or have sponsors. Sounds like a good gig
@CPowell133
@CPowell133 5 жыл бұрын
A vast majority of these tactics had to be done (e.g. coining certain pieces, equipping profession items) just to bypass the change of master loot to personal loot.
@sazam1966
@sazam1966 5 жыл бұрын
And were allowed because bonus coin exists because Blizzard created personnal loot. It's fixing a problem with a system that can create more problems.
@CPowell133
@CPowell133 5 жыл бұрын
@@sazam1966 I personally never seen a problem with the master loot system. Not saying it couldn't be abused but never had that issue. Most content creators I followed didn't seem to support the change from master to personal as well for raids.
@sazam1966
@sazam1966 5 жыл бұрын
@@CPowell133 Well yeah, no content creators (I follow Asmon, Bellular and some other less known ones), and no other players i knew at the time were okay with this decision. It was completely counter intuitive. To me it's just a way to slow down the pace at which a player can gear his characters, thus forcing him to stay in the game longer in order to reach his goal. I remember the good old times when you could reach a point where you couldn't gear your character more because you managed to complete your BiS list. And warforged wasn't a thing back then, so if you looted something in heroic mode, that's it, this item won't ever change until next content release. Now you can also have warforged/titanforged/socket/whatever. Blizzard created an endless looting hell of a loop where you will never be satisfied with what you get.
@CPowell133
@CPowell133 5 жыл бұрын
@@sazam1966 "Blizzard created an endless looting hell of a loop where you will never be satisfied with what you get." Well said. Players are now stuck in the loop of thinking they can find something better now. There technically is no long a BiS item because of the ability to titanforge/warforge now.
@Waldonium
@Waldonium 5 жыл бұрын
I wish they kept the master loot option in user created groups, so raid leaders could switch to master loot and people who run lfr can have personal loot. I think that would've been better.
@wesosdequeso8360
@wesosdequeso8360 5 жыл бұрын
Method in Heroic Week: 1 - On the plate run everyone sets spec into dps and kill only the first boss 6 times and coin it to get the weapon so they can trade it later to the mains. 2 - 5 times Mekkatorque and Grong. To get 20 breath of Bwosandi for crafting purposes. These 2 were the least impactful bosses overall. 3 - Do full M+0 and 5 M+ in every single character they had to get 15 hydrocores. (75 dungeons in 2 days on average per player) 4 - Learn Engineering to craft a 400 engineering helmet, equip it then scrap it and unlearn engineering. 5 - Learn Jewelcrafting to craft a 400 jewelcrafting rings, equip it in both ring slots and unlearn jewelcrafting. 6 - Learn Alchemy to craft a craft a 400 alchemy stone trinket, equip it in both trinket slots and unlearn alchemy. Side note: To do this, Method had to completely empty the auction house in 3 different severs. There were not enough resources in the entierity of EU-Tarren Mill to level these 3 professions in all of their characters. They had to transfer 4 guild banks full of resources across from several different servers and Scrype managed the logistics. Method is about 100+ million gold in debt. 7 - In the cloth/leather run they killed Stormwall Blockade and Opulence because they had the least impactful azerithe pieces. 8 - The overall strategy to trade the BiS azerithe pieces is to kill the bosses which drop the worst traits first. E.G. Cloth characters that need the Clonclave of the Chosen azerithe shoulders will join a party that already killed Grong and Mekkatorque multiple times so they have the best chance to get it. 9 - In the cloth/leather run they killed and coin King Rastakan 6 times in a row to get the Staff in all of their alts so they can trade Jadefire masters staff later to the main dps casters. Joshpriest killed King Rastakan aproximetely 30 times. 10 - Josh doesn't know what the mail run did because he doesn't play any mail character.
@vipuldass2318
@vipuldass2318 5 жыл бұрын
What is coining?
@skylarius3757
@skylarius3757 5 жыл бұрын
@@vipuldass2318 using the bonus roll token
@Shinnra
@Shinnra 5 жыл бұрын
So it means that if I get first what I dont like I have more options of getting what I need later? Regarding Azerite parts
@lildrinks
@lildrinks 5 жыл бұрын
I don't play retail, but why did they need to level 4 professions and scrap the stuff they made?
@MegaExaile
@MegaExaile 5 жыл бұрын
@@lildrinks To be able to trade 400 gear from alts ti main the alts needed to have a 400 or higher gear alrdy equipped in slots once
@fpsnoobvids
@fpsnoobvids 5 жыл бұрын
This is insane how they managed to handle change from master loot to personal loot.
@sirhogiecookie261
@sirhogiecookie261 5 жыл бұрын
I bet blizzard loved this , the cost of transfers and shit.
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
nah, that's all them
@steve833333
@steve833333 5 жыл бұрын
And the 20 dollar tokens they bought for gold.
@M4XC4V413R4
@M4XC4V413R4 5 жыл бұрын
@@steve833333 Did they though? All of these things can be done with gold, and he literally said they owe gold to a lot of people, I doubt they spent a single cent.
@steve833333
@steve833333 5 жыл бұрын
@@M4XC4V413R4 I'm assuming they had dedicated players who only were involved in generating the gold. if they did get it from other players, then I'd assume there would be some sort of interest in the deal, it wouldn't be 1:1. Thus encouraging those players leading to buy tokens. Either way, Blizzard makes a killing. Which is kinda shit because all the investment now is going into Mythic + and raids with extreme gold droughts happening to steer people towards the shop. I know it sounds tin foil as fuck.
@lucasburghardt4413
@lucasburghardt4413 5 жыл бұрын
But you dont need to buy them if you dont want to
@jezza187
@jezza187 5 жыл бұрын
This is called dedication and also crazy.
@aidonis98
@aidonis98 5 жыл бұрын
On one hand, I understand why Blizzard did what they did, but they should have left an option to enable master loot. Maybe a disclaimer when you join a group? Even if they forced it to be enabled only during a guild run, would still be infinitely better than what it is now.
@Kendrubbin
@Kendrubbin 5 жыл бұрын
"Even if they forced it to be enabled only during a guild run, would still be infinitely better than what it is now." - It used to be like that though, you needed a 80-90% guild majority in the raid to toggle it on.
@Torguish
@Torguish 5 жыл бұрын
@@Kendrubbin 17/20 was the ratio for mythic. I just don't fucking understand the fucking point of their master loot removal. It was not thought out and everybody, LITERALLY EVERYBODY knew that this was going to happen. Armor specific split runs, alts geared for other mains to throw loot etc. No wonder people burn out in the top tier, goddammit fucking Ion.
@Lomni
@Lomni 5 жыл бұрын
This some cosmic brain level planning.
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
it reminds me of that IQ / Mindblown meme with levels of intelligence/brain exploding
@XxAmageddonxX
@XxAmageddonxX 5 жыл бұрын
how do you do the raid in that weired ways? like how can I only kill mek and gronk?
@Cardan011
@Cardan011 5 жыл бұрын
This is total new level of crazy
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
lmao yes
@TomasDavmy
@TomasDavmy 5 жыл бұрын
Why do you record in 480p?
@codygreen9952
@codygreen9952 5 жыл бұрын
So does that mean that you can kill a heroic boss 6 times in 1 week and use a bonus roll every time? Cuz you can only loot one time right
@MrGlennJohnsen
@MrGlennJohnsen 5 жыл бұрын
so the TL:DR version - Get ALL the crafted gear you can on your alts (x5) so you can loot trade to main characters. - All alts (x5) coin all their 6 coins to try and get a "bad weapon" from the early bosses so they can trade the "good weapon" from later bosses to mains. Basically get as much xxx ilvl items on alts on early bosses (+crafting) so you can trade items from later bosses to your mains. I honestly expected something like this to happen when forced personal loot was announced, just goes to show that if there's a way to get ahead then people will find and use it.
@frederikkjr9366
@frederikkjr9366 5 жыл бұрын
WTF :O That profession stuff is insane!
@comprendes_mendes
@comprendes_mendes 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry if it's a dumb question but what does "the least impactful" mean?
@serviho
@serviho 5 жыл бұрын
worst item/lowest dps upgrade
@xeri4697
@xeri4697 5 жыл бұрын
or just trash items
@justmeok2
@justmeok2 5 жыл бұрын
It sounds like a lot of fun... /s
@quinter891
@quinter891 5 жыл бұрын
I dont understand. You can bonus roll the same boss, in the same week on same difficulty more than once? Next thing i dont understand is, why i have to kill boss with lower loot priority before the boss, which drops better gear for my character? I am little bit confused
@domenit9271
@domenit9271 5 жыл бұрын
Only a few of the full raid are actually the mains. So you kill the "bad gear" bosses first so the alts could get the piece with ilvl so they can trade the good gear pieces to the mains
@goigus
@goigus 5 жыл бұрын
You can rip on these guys as much as you want for spending all that gold/money on this, but they made a ton of money from subs and donations while streaming the world first race and gave around 20k to a children's charity, so gg
@kevinb5417
@kevinb5417 5 жыл бұрын
The only one I'll rip on is Blizzard for removing master loot and allowing this horseshit.
@GearyDigit
@GearyDigit 5 жыл бұрын
@@kevinb5417 "Mythic world-first raid tactics are weird, therefore it's better that bosses only drop one piece of gear that half the raid will always Need for."
@M4XC4V413R4
@M4XC4V413R4 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think they spent any money though, just gold. And limit did the same, had more advantages and still lost the race.
@tonic316
@tonic316 5 жыл бұрын
Cuthbertson McBaldrickshire I'd rather have a normal job and not have a brain disorder like these idiots.
@nesc505
@nesc505 5 жыл бұрын
@@M4XC4V413R4 Just because THEY didn't spend any money on it, doesn't mean Blizz didn't make any money it, since a token has to be bought with RL money for it to be in game. So blizz made a killing of these 2 guilds.
@HaploidCell
@HaploidCell 5 жыл бұрын
I've been out of the game for 10+ years now and I understand pretty much nothing he says in this video. However, I'm still facinated! Man, when does the WoW-bug leave you? Is it never?
@Orapac4142
@Orapac4142 5 жыл бұрын
I uh, I think The Isle may not be the same thing as WoW lol
@EOHRyan
@EOHRyan 5 жыл бұрын
Never leaves, I don't play any more either but I experienced the personal loot. Basically instead of master loot or group loot the game now randomly decides who gets loot when you kill each boss (called the personal looting system), if the item is not an upgrade then you can trade it to others in the raid. So they gamed the system with all their alts to make it so they could trade the best loot from Heroic mode to their mains, characters that they would be using to go for the world first on Mythic mode (highest raid difficulty). It's absolutely nuts, the result of the switch to personal loot in Battle For Azeroth.
@HaploidCell
@HaploidCell 5 жыл бұрын
@@EOHRyan Thank you for the explanation. Yeah, that seems like a sure-fire way to unbalance the looting system. Like, most people already had multiple chars, so this possibilty of using alts to trade with your mains had to have been on their radar, right?
@Armeniozo
@Armeniozo 5 жыл бұрын
@@HaploidCell to think that anyone would go through with it though? I can't really blame blizzard on that part
@GearyDigit
@GearyDigit 5 жыл бұрын
@@HaploidCell It's wonky when you have guilds farming on six alts to gear up one main, but that's not the experience of the vast majority of players who raid, which is who personal loot is designed for.
@Emeronite
@Emeronite 5 жыл бұрын
Can anyone explain to me what was the point of scrapping the engineering helm? And the thing with alchemy and JC? I didn't understand it, can anyone elaborate
@manorid
@manorid 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure if this is accurate, but far as I know you cant trade away an item that is an upgrade for you (higher ilvl for a particular slot than one you have currently equipped), but you can work around it by artificially boosting the highest item level for that slot via crafting. Meaning that even after they scrapped the crafted item, they could trade away whatever dropped for them for those slots.
@anniedarkheart5224
@anniedarkheart5224 5 жыл бұрын
When you get an item and its your highest ilvl you've obtained in the slot, you can't trade it. This is why Engi, JC, Alch trinks were a thing. This concept is the exact same reason why obtaining lower-impact gear on alts was important: since they obtained gear in the slot, they can trade same ilvl desirable gear to others.
@watchthe1369
@watchthe1369 5 жыл бұрын
So to take a world first, you are doing the equivalent of the AQ farm. Holy CRap!
@H3x4r35
@H3x4r35 5 жыл бұрын
Currently with a token at 165819 gold, 100 million gold represent *12061€ in tokens.* Or 603 wow tokens.
@Plaste776
@Plaste776 5 жыл бұрын
This game became really sad...
@dstout74
@dstout74 5 жыл бұрын
Well it's a good thing they removed Master Loot to prevent split runs!
@RMMFeed
@RMMFeed 5 жыл бұрын
How do you do only specific bosses in a run?
@wesosdequeso8360
@wesosdequeso8360 5 жыл бұрын
Find someone with a lockout in that specific boss.
@SicGhost
@SicGhost 5 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain me how they have more chances to get the champions staff if they coin the king's staff? And what does it have to do if you equip a level 400 item? Sorry, I haven't raided since 2011.
@caelanastro5584
@caelanastro5584 5 жыл бұрын
They're trying to get the king's staff so they have a 400 ilvl equipped staff in slot, which means later on when the champion staff drops (the staff with the better stats) they can trade it to their mains as they have had a 400 ilvl already in the slot before.
@SicGhost
@SicGhost 5 жыл бұрын
How can they trade it with their mains? the mains are also in those raids? and why they can only tade them if they have a 400 equipped?
@amethonys2798
@amethonys2798 5 жыл бұрын
@@SicGhost split runs work where like 80% of the raid literally only exists to not get loot, but add more drops to the boss table. If an alt gets the rastakhan staff and then gets the jadefire staff later, since they already have a 400, they can trade the new staff to an actual main character. Its literally hoops and hurdles to feed gear since master looter got removed.
@bendib2003
@bendib2003 5 жыл бұрын
But how did they sort out the lockouts though? To skip to Grong and Mekkatorque someone would need the lockout, one for each run...
@amethonys2798
@amethonys2798 5 жыл бұрын
During the plate run for example you just drag along say, a clothie, to a rastakhan lockout or something and have them ready for later. Method also has thousands of followers that they can just GET a lockout from someone.
@AzuriushSolo
@AzuriushSolo 5 жыл бұрын
8:00 When you try to explain to the "lower races", why your guild is the best in the world.
@H3x4r35
@H3x4r35 5 жыл бұрын
Please nobody tells Kotaku or Polygon to watch this segment of the video...
@kumasu321
@kumasu321 5 жыл бұрын
That's some pewdiepie anti-semitic shit right there lol
@smilezor
@smilezor 5 жыл бұрын
the amount of work Scrype put in must of been insane.
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
well, they just killed Jaina for a 2nd time before any other guild has killed her, so it definitely paid off
@Wurm14
@Wurm14 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the fact you got 1-2 brains behind the generel tactics of each progress guilde is very impressive. Scrype went over some stuff in his stream (wasnt happy with Josh´s leaks for sure) but i would love him to go full reveal, would be soo interesting. Maybe we get a big lesson at the last content of BfA as many mechanics change after that.
@Intect2013
@Intect2013 5 жыл бұрын
next time I will place my sellorders on server Tarren Mill in auctionhouse xD
@Sugho2023
@Sugho2023 4 жыл бұрын
I do Normal in the first week and then HC as far as I can with guild and pugs for like 4 weeks, then I am done with a tier.
@benoitrousseau4137
@benoitrousseau4137 5 жыл бұрын
... And all that is after farming thousands of islands to get 41 Azerite level, right? Even in my most active WoW days I didn't like WoW enough to do a tenth of what you guys do.
@BanditLeader
@BanditLeader 5 жыл бұрын
I cant even get past level 20 without getting bored, yet i do just fine on any other mmorpg. Then theres method with a bajillion maxed alts? Oof. How?
@DuckySC
@DuckySC 5 жыл бұрын
Save yourself some time and just start at 1:50.
@ukstevey
@ukstevey 5 жыл бұрын
insane
@badassoverlordzetta
@badassoverlordzetta 5 жыл бұрын
Master Looter died so this could become the way of the future.
@marcfleuren7691
@marcfleuren7691 5 жыл бұрын
If scripe managed all this stuff he definitely deserves a job as a CEO or some shit cos if he can juggle all this he can juggle anything :O
@dylanwright8757
@dylanwright8757 5 жыл бұрын
How the hell did you guys do the bosses in that wack order
@MadaraUchiha-uk6yr
@MadaraUchiha-uk6yr 5 жыл бұрын
is this raiding worth it in the end?
@danman1012
@danman1012 5 жыл бұрын
For the leader of the guild yes, for a few of the popular streamers/members of the guild yes. They are making money from it. For the rank and file members who do not stream or make little to no money, no. The guild is ran like a pyramid scheme where the top people make money and the rest of the people on bottom do all the farming/realm hops etc to simply be a member with under their name.
@MadaraUchiha-uk6yr
@MadaraUchiha-uk6yr 5 жыл бұрын
@@danman1012 but in the end,will they keep doing it even tho wow is going down atm,i think they spend too much time on it and miss the bigger pictuee.Just my opinion
@fozgoth
@fozgoth 5 жыл бұрын
What does "the bigger picture" mean? This is their end all be all. They're mythic first raiders, this IS the game for them.
@Robin...222
@Robin...222 5 жыл бұрын
With the money they make on twitch yes it is.
@smashi4088
@smashi4088 5 жыл бұрын
@@danman1012 The profits from the main stream are divided evenly among the raid team, and those who stream on their own are allowed to do that on their own. People like Josh weren't popular really until mythic Uldir, where people wanted to see a healer PoV
@morbid1.
@morbid1. 5 жыл бұрын
Why I'm not surprised that Method is #1 Fucking insanity
@Dipiis
@Dipiis 5 жыл бұрын
How do they decide order of bosses, arent there barriers?
@mikecrf5020
@mikecrf5020 5 жыл бұрын
with lock outs from alts i assume
@mikecrf5020
@mikecrf5020 5 жыл бұрын
it does not have open wings at all @Blue Steel
@michaelparker9435
@michaelparker9435 5 жыл бұрын
@@mikecrf5020 correct it doesnt not
@mikecrf5020
@mikecrf5020 5 жыл бұрын
@Blue Steel you have no idea lul i take it you have never stepped foot inside new raid
@Nomihc
@Nomihc 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. I'm assuming they have friends outside of guild providing the lockouts. A lot of Method members stream as well. I'm sure fans would be more than willing to provide them with the lockouts they want for their split runs.
@vengefulretreat5935
@vengefulretreat5935 5 жыл бұрын
Is this all just because Master Loot is no longer in game!?
@BanditLeader
@BanditLeader 5 жыл бұрын
Yea
@nogoldnokill1986
@nogoldnokill1986 5 жыл бұрын
That’s why they get gumdrops in the method oh oh
@globalllllful
@globalllllful 5 жыл бұрын
so people still playing this game with this level of dedication? how is this even possible?
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
Hard to let things go
@mariofox8377
@mariofox8377 5 жыл бұрын
+GeekyNet +1
@MainOffenderKZ
@MainOffenderKZ 5 жыл бұрын
and they want to add loot trading on classic??
@macarebe
@macarebe 5 жыл бұрын
??? Classic will have master loot which voids the need for loot trading or if it even exists or not. They do all this acrobatics to transfer loot because blizzard is retarded with this individual loot crap
@TheBull300
@TheBull300 5 жыл бұрын
They will add it as it happened in vanilla just took 5 days for a gm transfer. Now you have 2 hours to trade no gm required. It only stream lines the process, doesnt add anything that didnt happen already
@MinatureMinotaur3223
@MinatureMinotaur3223 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheBull300 Enjoy having groups of friends needing on gear for each other and trading it. 3 friends in a deadmines run and one needs the staff sucks to be 1 of the other 2 non friends who may need it.
@daemonsalad
@daemonsalad 5 жыл бұрын
Naxx will be cleared day 1 either way
@daganjao
@daganjao 5 жыл бұрын
@@daemonsalad Who cares?
@Nyppaa
@Nyppaa 5 жыл бұрын
And vanilla enthusiasts say that private server guild could compete with method on classic. ROFL
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
lmfao!
@sephrinx4958
@sephrinx4958 5 жыл бұрын
Who has ever said that, and when, and source it?
@Nyppaa
@Nyppaa 5 жыл бұрын
@@sephrinx4958 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h6qVhKtlnKeVhI0.html
@martinkunes5359
@martinkunes5359 5 жыл бұрын
@Ryan W kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h6qVhKtlnKeVhI0.html Here you go enjoy
@sephrinx4958
@sephrinx4958 5 жыл бұрын
@Ryan W Asking for a source = being a smart ass? Yikes bud
@kyzohd9696
@kyzohd9696 5 жыл бұрын
lol i thought this was josh his channel for a second haha
@Joshua-bh7iu
@Joshua-bh7iu 5 жыл бұрын
How did they spend 7 coins for 2 alts when the raid hasnt been out for long enough?
@krazyito
@krazyito 5 жыл бұрын
Save coins from previous weeks. They need to bring back new coins for each tier.
@dakotalovespie
@dakotalovespie 5 жыл бұрын
You can coin the same boss over and over by resetting the raid.
@dreamrsix5366
@dreamrsix5366 5 жыл бұрын
did he say "we dont need to do anything, we win reguardless" ? cause 100 million gold doesnt sound like "dont need to do anything"
@Pvpiyt
@Pvpiyt 5 жыл бұрын
100 milion is roughly 10 +-few more mythic carries. Each takes like 1-2 hours give or take. TIme could be lowered when they are max geared, of course. Meaning thats like 10-20 hours of working(boosting) tops. Thats literally nothing.
@dreamrsix5366
@dreamrsix5366 5 жыл бұрын
@@Pvpiyt and yet they had to borrow it. Thats just what they are in debt for, that isnt including what they already had and spent. Also the point being that Josh was mocking limit for spending gold to transfer alliance to get ilvl 400 gear when method is doing this.
@Pvpiyt
@Pvpiyt 5 жыл бұрын
@Dreamr Six yes, i understand that, but im saying that its nothing. Debt will be payyed off in no time.
@dreamrsix5366
@dreamrsix5366 5 жыл бұрын
@@Pvpiyt Just like the gold limit paid to transfer toons. Its nothing to them. And yet Josh here was the one mocking them for doing it. How are they any different
@M4XC4V413R4
@M4XC4V413R4 5 жыл бұрын
@@dreamrsix5366 Because even with more advantages they still lost. Winners get to gloat... More news at 11?
@tonic316
@tonic316 5 жыл бұрын
I'm the blizzard dev who makes it so you have to keep the loot to be able to trade loot.
@matheo1337
@matheo1337 5 жыл бұрын
ppl shitting on limit for faction transfer, and now we learn that method did this and no one saying anything bad.
@ahapka
@ahapka 5 жыл бұрын
75 dungeons in 2 days is 1 every 38.4 minutes! Wow!
@xeri4697
@xeri4697 5 жыл бұрын
did you calculate sleep in it
@anniedarkheart5224
@anniedarkheart5224 5 жыл бұрын
Mythic 0s, where some have skips that can be done incredibly quickly. A 15min Freehold would be an extremely slow run, even for a group without a bunch of experience.
@ahapka
@ahapka 5 жыл бұрын
@@anniedarkheart5224 true, you have a good point there. But as you can get into only five dungeons per hour (does that still apply with mythics?), you can't do more than five per hour (average of one every 12 minutes). In any event, it's still darn impressive!!!
@gingy9788
@gingy9788 5 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ that is insane
@Koroar
@Koroar 5 жыл бұрын
yOu ThInK yOu WaNt MaStEr LoOt BuT yOu DoNt
@stretchstrange
@stretchstrange 5 жыл бұрын
but, but, but the games better then its ever been!!!
@BriareosTM
@BriareosTM 5 жыл бұрын
Simply impossible, because, you need to have Engineering for equip the helmet, jewelry for equipe the ring and Alchemy for equip the trinket. you can't equip the three items in the same time
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
yeah, that's why they equipped & then destroyed. you don't need all equipped at same time
@Sk8onin
@Sk8onin 5 жыл бұрын
It's sad that there are advantages to guilds in a progression race rather than a clean slate. grats on World 1st though.
@jc624
@jc624 3 жыл бұрын
From that point on, Method never won another world first race and is now pretty much dead with all main raiders jumping ship
@Strohhut089
@Strohhut089 3 жыл бұрын
Except the fact that they won aszhara
@pharmztko
@pharmztko 5 жыл бұрын
Crazy how much shit they do to give them the best chance at world firsts
@Crowback354
@Crowback354 5 жыл бұрын
Remember when they had t his system that worked really well for the past few expansions where you could trade loot? Oh yeah lets fuck that up somehow...
@jeramiahcox6976
@jeramiahcox6976 5 жыл бұрын
build a system, and professionals will find a way to game it
@tomselby24
@tomselby24 5 жыл бұрын
Holy shit
@rdsasuke1
@rdsasuke1 5 жыл бұрын
Dude after all that organisation i think you've missed your life calling as a the head of a mafia family.
@MagCynic
@MagCynic 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like Blizzard has screwed something up if this is what it takes to beat the final boss on Mythic. This is a video game. What happened? How did we get to this point? The race to world first should be mostly about tangible gameplay. Do you use the right ability at the absolute perfect time? As this video demonstrates, it's not actually a world first race. It's a gear race. And the guilds who have the most elaborate gear plan are going to win.
@mrbukers6364
@mrbukers6364 5 жыл бұрын
This isn't required to beat the final boss on Mythic. This is required if you want to kill the final boss on Mythic on launch week. People attempting to take the fastest kill are always going to do every bit they can to have as much advantage as possible. Did the personal loot change hurt Method? Sure, now Method has to do a lot more work to get to the same level on mythic launch day. Did it hurt the other 99% of the raiding community? I'm not sure, but my gut says probably not much.
@smashi4088
@smashi4088 5 жыл бұрын
It wasn't this idiotic until they removed master loot
@warioman91
@warioman91 5 жыл бұрын
ya but it really just exposes the gear treadmill grind. @@mrbukers6364
@fave7388
@fave7388 5 жыл бұрын
This is so ridiculous
@Quaarkz
@Quaarkz 5 жыл бұрын
I dont think i understand everything, im so f confused xddddd
@Boredum
@Boredum 5 жыл бұрын
Bring. Master. Loot. Back.
@AJ_Zen
@AJ_Zen 5 жыл бұрын
And tell me this sounds normal ? Please tell me this is not worst kind of addiction. I saw some idiots posting good dedication and planing . This is a game and they take it serious like ww2
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@mariusmentzel5384
@mariusmentzel5384 5 жыл бұрын
A GAME ? Its Business, theses people play for a living, race is beeing watched by over 100.000 People. Do you recognize how much money is on the table ?
@AJ_Zen
@AJ_Zen 5 жыл бұрын
Marius Mentzel i can make business from poking my nose if idiots are willing to pay for this. They watch people play the game while they can do the same thing. Seriously do you consider that a proper answer or question . Why didn’t people make money from games before by playing ? Other people where smarter and didn’t give them money just for watching them play.
@mariusmentzel5384
@mariusmentzel5384 5 жыл бұрын
@@AJ_Zen It´s different today because social media is more popular, more people watching, more money for advertisment etc. It becomes just like Television
@kallekarlsson4286
@kallekarlsson4286 5 жыл бұрын
the more they restrict loot the more they fuck the game up
@bencoatsworth1782
@bencoatsworth1782 5 жыл бұрын
7 coins on rastakahn? rly when u cap seals at 5
@damdamdamdumdidum
@damdamdamdumdidum 4 жыл бұрын
So you have 5, use it all and then get the 2 weekly coins and use it too. 7.
@REALmacheight
@REALmacheight 5 жыл бұрын
JESUS
@fuzzystreasures6642
@fuzzystreasures6642 5 жыл бұрын
Hi AssManGold iloveu my guy
@LegionInfanterie
@LegionInfanterie 5 жыл бұрын
PERSONAL LOOT GG
@mistersinister2043
@mistersinister2043 5 жыл бұрын
New patch. These nerds are relevant again.
@ckwadahell
@ckwadahell 5 жыл бұрын
4:10 lmao
@WIrehireKTF
@WIrehireKTF 5 жыл бұрын
I think its time to get back master loot. Literally noone liked this change
@dahymster5666
@dahymster5666 5 жыл бұрын
Not my idea of fun
@danhealy79
@danhealy79 5 жыл бұрын
TLDW: No Life WoW to be World First.
@prisma7272
@prisma7272 5 жыл бұрын
@blizzard Or just bring back masterloot LOOOOOL
@atsevenam6748
@atsevenam6748 5 жыл бұрын
its all good and well, but what do you achieve in life with it ? when you are dead who will care how good you were in this fucking game haha
@snaplash
@snaplash 5 жыл бұрын
Do these people actually work for a living?
@TC-kt2ig
@TC-kt2ig 5 жыл бұрын
Probably not. Back in Wrath I remember the top guilds were all EU and the with regards to best guild at the time, the GM basically explained that EU will usually always have an advantage over US because most of their players were on welfare (their benefits system is easier to apply for) or could take 2 weeks off work (which is incredibly difficult to do in NA). If a raid lasts beyond the second week NA performance usually tanks because your average 20 or 30 something player has to go to work and can't take extended vacations for a video game lol.
@watevadoo1
@watevadoo1 5 жыл бұрын
Actually most of them are >20 years old and have full-time jobs. Because they are mostly European, they get 4 weeks or greater vacation time every single year that they use for raiding. In the US this is not a thing since most people here aren't even allowed to take a week off.
@TheBlorgish
@TheBlorgish 5 жыл бұрын
They do, but their job is literally to play world of Warcraft. They make money to stream themselves playing
@trendkillcfh
@trendkillcfh 5 жыл бұрын
People talking like you cant get a week off from work in the US lol. I work at a hospital as a essential employee (meaning I have to come in even if a disaster strikes) and I get close to 5 weeks off a year. The hell are these people talking about
@rdsasuke1
@rdsasuke1 5 жыл бұрын
What year do you think it is ?
@Weslicus
@Weslicus 5 жыл бұрын
Glad they removed master loot OMEALUL
@godless1014
@godless1014 5 жыл бұрын
That's a whole hell of a lot of effort to put into a dying game . . . but I tip my cap to them nonetheless.
@Mimsy_Crush
@Mimsy_Crush 5 жыл бұрын
time to file for bank loan on your house to pay people off good game wow
@tiredgodmxrvin839
@tiredgodmxrvin839 5 жыл бұрын
200 iq from method
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
300 even
@Vixikats
@Vixikats 5 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of shit that hardcore raiders have to resort to because of personal loot. This system is a fucking mess for anyone outside of Pugs and LFR.
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
Personal loot is awful, there's a reason we had Master Loot & everything. Very frustrating for actual guilds
@Rikomag
@Rikomag 5 жыл бұрын
This is not a good example of how the loot system is fucked. What Method does is extreme and not representative of 99.9% of the playerbase. If the loot system was different, I'd bet anything they'd go just as hard on that system to get any advantage available. I think removing Master Loot was stupid, but this isn't the reason why.
@IshayuG
@IshayuG 5 жыл бұрын
If it was a good system, it wouldn't break at its most extreme. It breaks like this because it isn't a good system.
@MrDivinite
@MrDivinite 5 жыл бұрын
It is because the aim of the removal was to get rid of split runs. And this is the proof they still found ways around personal loot and trading restrictions.
@spurvis1286
@spurvis1286 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrDivinite They cleared out 3 Auction Houses. They spent over 100m gold. They spent atleast a few weeks contributing resources and time to be able to secure their world first. I guarantee 99% of the end game guilds will never do this.
@MrDivinite
@MrDivinite 5 жыл бұрын
@@spurvis1286 I absolutely agree, it doesn't change the fact that there is still a way to make split runs worth. I'm pretty sure other guilds would have done it had they thought about it. Which is why the master loot removal was a ridiculous change because only less than 1% of guilds were running split raids anyways.
@wesosdequeso8360
@wesosdequeso8360 5 жыл бұрын
Masterloot was removed to slowdown the gear process. I can't think of any other reason. Titanforge, tertiary stats and random sockets is the same thing. Anything that pulls you away from BiS.
@scottmoe4004
@scottmoe4004 5 жыл бұрын
love the nose picking
@pizzamilf
@pizzamilf 5 жыл бұрын
Personal loot btw
@Nick57672
@Nick57672 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Twitch :)
@davewilkins5297
@davewilkins5297 5 жыл бұрын
Its hard to call it a world first when only 100k people are still playing and everyone else thinks its a pile of shit0
@Vrory77
@Vrory77 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like they game doesn't work really well and they add the Persoloot to make so much microtransaction-money so ppl had to waste Money for coins and spend gold for coins for Transfers etc. What a shit move by Bli$$ard once again
@11DNA11
@11DNA11 5 жыл бұрын
How the hell did it come to this? Blizzard is just clueless.... Thank god i stopped playing 4 months ago...
@spurvis1286
@spurvis1286 5 жыл бұрын
They spent over 100m gold, cleared out three servers AHs, spent DAYS doing dungeons and leveling professions. They earned the ability to do this imo.
@spaceman1221
@spaceman1221 5 жыл бұрын
@@spurvis1286 I think his point is that Blizzard put such system in place, which pretty much requires top guilds to do these sorts of things. Master loot system was "too toxic" for Blizzard so they tried to make it more friendly by making all loot personal. And this is the result.
@AnubiasDudeX
@AnubiasDudeX 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, they didn't really *HAVE* to. Limit sure as hell didn't@@spaceman1221
@GearyDigit
@GearyDigit 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm sure these changes totally ruined your guild's mythic world first race experience.
@11DNA11
@11DNA11 5 жыл бұрын
@@GearyDigit Why change the loot system? There was no need for it. You don't need to be a "mythic world first guild" to be fucking annoyed by the loot system. And the stupid professions that have no reason to even be in the game anymore. Personal loot Master Looter Group loot Wtf is wrong with those? Having a hard time admitting that the game is shit?
@blacknighted
@blacknighted 5 жыл бұрын
This shows how bad the trading system is and personal loot, please get rid of it.
@Mamaleee123
@Mamaleee123 5 жыл бұрын
It does not show anything. These people are a niche of a niche of raiders. They want to be the first and they utilize any method that they can use. I bet you are not one of the world first or second so it does not affect by any means. If you are saying that you are going through the same method, you're flat dumb and wasting your father's money. Stop it.
@doesnotplaywellwithothers3455
@doesnotplaywellwithothers3455 5 жыл бұрын
Lolz!
@xeri4697
@xeri4697 5 жыл бұрын
So much effort for world first? Some clicks. Dude i mean yeah theyre really into it and stuff, but theyre literally giving up their souls for this game...
@truegrit9202
@truegrit9202 5 жыл бұрын
People who want to be good at something will find a way to be good at it. Wow is no different than any other thing. Some will take things farther than others. But if they are having a blast at it. Why criticize them for it ?
@TheZajic23
@TheZajic23 5 жыл бұрын
PAY TO WIN
@truegrit9202
@truegrit9202 5 жыл бұрын
So it had nothing to do with their knowledge of the fight. Ability to push the damage, or coordinate how they handle mechanics. Or the 12 plus hours of raiding per day. They just paid 100k gold and the boss fell over? You sound real stupid.
@ianhorne9594
@ianhorne9594 5 жыл бұрын
to begin with, its not even pay to win if they use in game currency. Pay to win is when you use your own irl money to gain an advantage...
@ryanpotochnik1374
@ryanpotochnik1374 5 жыл бұрын
This dude is a lame
@Gomcio
@Gomcio 5 жыл бұрын
I must give credit for planning and executing, but... This is dumb. OK lets say like that. If you want World First this tactic seems amazing, they put alot of effort and planing, but in same time this possibility should not exist and probably other guilds did the same. They would finish that Mythic anyways but maybe 2-3 weeks. At least no one would cry about finishing Mythic in week or less.
@Vivek-vf2px
@Vivek-vf2px 5 жыл бұрын
I agree...
@geekynet
@geekynet 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I do think that the tier should be impossible for first few weeks. Mythic shouldn't even be an option until Heroic has been on clear for weeks, and Heroic should not be possible until Normal has been on clear for a few weeks. oh well
@GamingGhoster
@GamingGhoster 5 жыл бұрын
@@geekynet Considering normal is currently about the same difficulty as lfr and heroic is basically what normal should have been. Raiding normal for weeks waiting for mythic to open would be such a snoozefest. They are world first raiders and are obviously miles above the average player. The amount of people that has no clue on what to do in even NORMAL is insane. There are i400 people right now, who struggle to do more than 10k single target dps. Remove titanforging. Award doing hard content. There is no reason for lfr to be able to drop the same items as mythic bosses. You want the best gear in the game? Get good and kill the hardest bosses the game currently has to offer.
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