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General History: HMS Orion - The Super Dreadnought

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Күн бұрын

The Orion-class were the first dreadnought battleship to be armed with a gun larger than 12-inches. This would, in addition to the necessary changes to mount that gun, prompt them to be called 'Super Dreadnoughts'. The 13.5-inch armed Orion would, as such, create a new naval race and a new kind of battleship.
Or an extension upon the existing dreadnoughts, depending on how you view it.
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@ross.venner
@ross.venner Жыл бұрын
As a youth, we had a family friend who, as a 16 year old boy, fought in Y turret of HMS Monarch at Jutland. Strange to think that was 107 years ago.
@someopinion922
@someopinion922 Жыл бұрын
In third grade we had a teacher who told us that as a boy on the west coast of Jutland he heard the Jutland Battle.
@anselmdanker9519
@anselmdanker9519 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this presentation on the Orion class this squadron rarely gets mentioned. The ' Orions' fired a total of 198 , 13.5 inch rounds and suffered no casualties at Jutland. Great work!
@kidmohair8151
@kidmohair8151 Жыл бұрын
the silliest thing about this particular class, is the placement of the foremast *behind* the first funnel. something that would lead to anyone in the fighting top becoming smoked sailor.
@Celebmacil
@Celebmacil Жыл бұрын
The silliest thing about it is that they knew it was an issue back with the Dreadnought, and fixed it with the Bellerophon and St Vincent classes... only to forget about the issue and revert for the Colossus, Orion, and Lion classes, because... a boat handling derrick is apparently more important in a battleship than being able to spot the fall of your fire. Though they got the memo that it really WAS bad early enough in the construction of the King George V class ships to remedy the design oversight, and learned the lesson well enough to not play table tennis with the tripod mast placement any more in future classes of capital ships. I guess a lesson is better learned late than never?
@joemaloney1019
@joemaloney1019 Жыл бұрын
​@@CelebmacilThe poor placement of the the stack vs. tower really came to a head in the HMS Lion battlecruiser as the number of boilers using the stack was double what was in the battleships. At full speed the tower was untenable and Lion had the tower moved forward. All future ships followed suit.
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw Жыл бұрын
Yes. Another of my Old Friends from the Avalon Hill Jutland Game. .
@thelogicmatrix
@thelogicmatrix Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this channel, while drachnifel is great at going into detail on specifics, it's a lot harder to find more general overviews on stuff on his channel
@stuartpeacock8257
@stuartpeacock8257 Жыл бұрын
Well summarised for this class of inauspicious dreadnoughts
@michaelpielorz9283
@michaelpielorz9283 Жыл бұрын
As it turns out bigger wasn`t better some 12 inch guns outperformed them. and were capable to fire much faster.the same happened years later with the Nelson-Class guns.
@George_M_
@George_M_ Жыл бұрын
The leader of the turret farm trend.
@davidmcintyre8145
@davidmcintyre8145 5 ай бұрын
The interesting fact is that the RN moved from their much favoured and often used 13.5 inch gun down to a 12 inch gun for the later pre-Dreadnaughts. It can be argued that with the Orion class the RN was moving back to a calibre that it was comfortable with and of course the long lived,mighty and ridiculously accurate 15/42 was based on a bored out 13.5 inch gun
@joewalker2152
@joewalker2152 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, as usual my friend! Keep up the great content. Si vis pacem, para bellum
@vespelian5769
@vespelian5769 Жыл бұрын
HMS Empress of India had also mounted a 13.5 inch main armament.
@joemaloney1019
@joemaloney1019 Жыл бұрын
Empree of India was a 13.5 inch battleship of the Iron Duke class😢
@neilbuckley1613
@neilbuckley1613 Жыл бұрын
@@joemaloney1019 That ship was the Emperor of India , not Empress,
@alecblunden8615
@alecblunden8615 Жыл бұрын
However. considerably less effective, These are the guns replaced by the 12" on the preDreadnoughts, replace at 1.5" increments by the 13.5" and 15" guns.
@williamkennedy5492
@williamkennedy5492 Жыл бұрын
By 1918 the Royal Navy numbered 1200 ships !
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt Жыл бұрын
Just found the channel, great content. Got a sub and likes from me!
@joemaloney1019
@joemaloney1019 Жыл бұрын
I always thought these battleship were prettier than their successors as the hull was smooth sided with no cut in bulkheads for gun casements. I wonder if these got a interwar modernization such as the Italians did with their ships. Removal of the midships turret rebuilding the powerplant fir greater speed and insurance burning oil. Extention of the forcastle deck aft to the rear deck house giving room for a row of dp. Guns. Speaking of guns, the 13.5s would be traded in for 14 inch. With new superstructures the result would look very similar to HMS Queen Elizabeth after her WW2 modifications.
@usauk3605
@usauk3605 Ай бұрын
Part of the reason these ships saw so little action, is because the Germans didn’t want to come out and fight them. So, maybe they were effective after all.
@joseluissalguero6478
@joseluissalguero6478 Жыл бұрын
Un gran acorazado monocalibre de la segunda generación
@TheArchemman
@TheArchemman Жыл бұрын
I really don't understand why they held on to wing turrets this long. Now I'm no engineer. But looking at HMS Dreadnaught's wing turrets, it has issues. Unless they were trying to start a new trend of having battleships fire only forward. But even that is problematic.
@pedenharley6266
@pedenharley6266 Жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly from DK Brown’s books, it had to do with sighting hoods for the turrets. Even after the British adopted super firing gun turrets, they were limited in the ability of the upper turrets firing forward over the lower turrets. So, in order to have three or even two turrets directly forward, you needed wing turrets. Until the idea of the line of battle became firmly reestablished, wing turrets still made since for end on fire. I believe Brown states that it was not until Hood that British sights were not modified to eliminate issues with blast and end on fire when firing the super firing turrets.
@ross.venner
@ross.venner Жыл бұрын
The steam plant required the space amidships.
@ChaplainDMK
@ChaplainDMK Жыл бұрын
It was for a chase engagement, but partly also due to engineering constraints and coalition regarding blast effect on the lower turret in a superfiring position.
@robertmorgan8754
@robertmorgan8754 Жыл бұрын
At least for Dreadnought and the St. Vincents, firing forward was, in fact, the reason for the wing turrets. They wanted to have as many barrels as possible in order to chase an enemy. Since superfiring turrets weren't yet en vogue, wing turrets were the solution. Another reason was that with the coal bunkers for the wing turrets would, in theory, be located further outboard and serve as additional armor. I've never though that this argument really made a great deal of sense, especially if the engagement occurred after the coal had been depleted, but there it is. It is mentioned specifically in Admiralty papers so they clearly though the idea possessed merit.
@stevenmccoy5103
@stevenmccoy5103 Жыл бұрын
Well...the "Supers in Being"? 😂
@alecblunden8615
@alecblunden8615 Жыл бұрын
German ships reached 21 lnts on trial with best quality coal ( often imported from Wales) but,on operations, often lost a couple of knots because of the truly awful German rubbish.
@baconlover4741
@baconlover4741 Жыл бұрын
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