#Simonisacoward Why so many channels? He's spreading his bets. More advertising money from Russian companies. That's why he's such a limey coward who won't post anything about Ukraine!!

You say "another English warship" @ 13:53 but the Royal Navy had been British, not English, for over 200 years at that point. I notice quite a lot of English folk (even friends of mine) say 'English', when they mean 'British' and I'm sure this adds to the resentment that the 3 other British Countries feel towards England.

8.32 You got this backwards. Only one turret forward on the centreline, and two on the rear. The front turret was higher as the bows were taller than the rear of the ship to keep everything dry in heavy weather.

AND THE DREADNOUGHTS DREAD NOTHING AT ALL!!!

I came for this

@@marckilgour5258 Me too

A Hull of Steel and all big guns to serve the fleet Unrival FIREPOWER, riding the waves to war A devastating blow will send their foes down below Fearless Armada now bombarding their shore Light up the night when cannons roar In fear of nothing They lead the navy into warrr

Ah yes a fellow man of culture.

Light up the night when cannons roar In fear of nothing, they lead the navy into war!

I have both Dreadnought and Castles of steel by RM, and I agree amazing books. I got them to learn more about the ship my great grandfather was on (HMS Queen Elizabeth). What I also discovered was how much an idiot Churchill was for letting Kitchener bully him into a land attack instead of one final push up the Dardanelles ( which I agree would of succeeded... they were so close....)

I bought a copy of that for my then-husband. To hear HIM talk, it was the only good thing to come out of our marriage. Both of our beautiful daughters would take issue with that, suffice to say.

@@4353HUNVRTNG thanks for the titles. Will look them up

Thank you kindly.

@@andywilson5828 .

To be fair, people rarely see history in the making until it's already been made.

@@CaptainRudy4021 The Japanese did with Mikasa

@@puppetguy8726 Which is the now the sole surviving 'British Battleship'

@@CaptainRudy4021 They didn't keep the Warspite either.

@@puppetguy8726 And the US did with Oregon and Olympia even if they later stupidly scrapped Oregon. That's what this makes this the most tragic. In many cases the UK cries about circumstance when people complain about them destroying all their ships. "We had no money wah, it was the great depression wah". But in this case they went out of their way to destroy Dreadnought(or whatever ship would have gotten that spot Dreadnought is the most likely candidate) as it made sense to copy the other 2 major naval powers and create a museum ship. The closest thing to a major vessel from this era to survive is the Caroline. The only reason Caroline survived is because it almost served 100 years at which point the British had so fully cleansed the world of all their historical vessels.

A shadow moves across the water in pursuit It splits the waves, commands the sea and defies the wind Instilling fear among its prey, feels nought for itself Ahead the sea lies calm awaiting the storm Displace the water in its path Reveal the cannons, align the guns, unleash their wrath!

I dont think its a coincidence that this video came out 4 days after "The warto end all wars" album release

In the North Sea, lies Jutland the stage for the biggest naval battle of the war. In the mist uncovered by darkness 2 mighty fleets are approaching. They are led by a new class of battleship, one that fears nothing. The dreadnought! (sabaton, dreadnought history version)

AND THE DREADNOUGHTS DREAD NOTHING AT ALL \o/

I was just listening to it

Spell dreadnought correctly dear boy

In the mean time, at least Zepherus did one on it... and one on the Zanzibar hoax that preceded it.

Yeeessss that was my favorite role in the game

Treeee

Note: the ship in BF1 is actually the HMS Iron Duke

Instilling fear among its prey, feels nought for itself Ahead the sea lies calm awaiting the storm

A fellow person of culture I see

Glad I am not the only one who got that thought.

I think I recall Simon saying he's listened to the band before so maybe he planned on it

@@nevertrustbob1291 probably coincidence tbh. There's a significant overlap between people who listen to Sabaton and people who watch any sort of military history :) in other words, you're more likely to find people here that would know about the latest album release, and therefore notice this "coincidence".

Thank you for Posting about the Texas to set the record straight.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mciIrKSrrNqtiGw.html Try that, but I warn you that KZfaq channel is a black hole if naval history is your thing.

@@Chris-fu4xg Fellow Drachy fan! Ahoy!

@@SephirothRyu oh yes, just about kept me going all through lockdown.

The rooftop 12 pounders were only manned when the main battery was not expected to fire and for a very good reason: the resulting concussion would have done serious damage to anything or anybody close by.

I'll suggest Drachinifel's video on the man if you're that interested

@@MortRotu Thanks already saw it. I read his Biography.

@@kl0wnkiller912 then it's probably a useful recommendation for anybody else who's also interested =P

Same with the Great White Fleet of the US Navy. It was an impressive assortment of battleships as an upgrade to the Navy's capabilities, which were obsolete as soon as the HMS Dreadnought set sail

Yes, despite several naval treaties to try to slow or stop the escalation of battleship growth.

Don't forget those 18.1" that existed...for a little while.

Instilling fear among its prey, feels nought for itself Ahead the sea lies calm awaiting the storm

Really interested in battleships from 1905 to the end of ww2

is it that book written by Robert K. Massie? if it is such an awsome book.

@@pervertfudge Im not sure who wrote it, it was part of a hard cover series from Time magazine in the early 80s. if I find it I will hopefully remember to update

I read that book as well. Jackie Fisher also forsaw the rise of airpower as the deciding force in naval warfare. He even said to scrap all ships, and replace them with planes.

@@mikehintz He was right about a lot of things, but not really that one. The planes have to be able to get places afterall!

Also, Dreadnougt used turbine engines, the South Carolina's used triple expansion engines. And yeah, the British do heve some of the best names around for their capital ships, and Dreadnougt is a stand out even amoungst them.

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@@pringle239 Justice for my boi!

The "Dreadnought Effect" is entirely mythical. The U.S., Germany, and Japan had similar designs already on the slipways before Dreadnought's keel was even designed. Jackie Fisher simply managed to push Dreadnought through before anyone else's ships launched. Ultimately, the "dreadnought" race was inevitable, driven by factors outside a single ship.

@@jfangm right... Japans and Americas "dreadnought" were "semi-dreadnoughts" at best and Germany was also hideously inefficient.

@@pringle239 Actually, only Japan's was considered a semi-dreadnought. The USS South Carolina was a true dreadnought. I suggest watching Drachifel's video on it. Dreadnought was not novel or revolutionary.

It's the HMS Iron Duke 1912

That's kind of like getting a Pepsi when you really want a coca-cola 😜

bc iowa is overcovered :D

@Steve Lawson Iowa is NOT a battlecruiser, rather she and her sisters are full-fledged battleships. The Iowas simply represented a new generation of high-speed battleships that were being built by nearly everyone at the time. A battlecruiser is more than just a fast battleship.

@Steve Lawson It doesn't matter if you disagree. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of historical fact. The Iowas were not battlecruisers, they were battleships, plain and simple. The U.S. Navy never considered them battlecruisers, nor did any other power in the world. Nor did they fill the role of battlecruisers: scouting for enemy battieships and engaging enemy cruisers - they were purpose built to engage Japanese battleships. You need to learn your terms before opening your mouth.

Dreadnought was not THAT innovative - Germany and the U.S. had their own "dreadnoughts" on the slipways before Dreadnought's keel was even laid. The concept was based on an existing and well-known naval treatise - it was simply a matter of time before SOMEBODY launched an all-big-gun battleship.

Ah yes, the hotels

"Interesting" is one way to describe them... Some designs were truly hidious.

When hotels go to war.

The Great White Fleet comes to mind. A video exploring them and their obsolescence by the HMS Dreadnoughtt would be pretty cool.

Dreadnought before dreadnought, emphasizing the "dread" in appearance and "nought" in beauty.

And for corrections to this video's MANY factual errors on this subject. Seriously, does this guy even bother fact checking his script?

USS Constitution comes to mind.

Drachinifel might be a channel you want to check out, extensively covers age of sail ships to ww2 ships

Second the Drach recommendation and I'll raise the odds for Constitution with HMS Victory.

Best is a matter of perspective. Victory has an unmatched combat record, but Viking longships were more influential on world history.

this thing is such a memewagon

This could possibly be because while HMS Dreadnaught revolutionized the mark for big gun warships she had a very short service life and she was only a one-off ship much like HMS Neptune. HMS Dreadnaught was succeeded by the Bellerophon, St. Vincent, Colossus, Orion, King George V, Iron Duke, and the Queen Elizabeth class all within a few years after Dreadnaught was laid down. The King George V, Iron Duke, and the Queen Elizabeth class super dreadnaughts were better armored, better gunned, had super firing turrets capabilities, and saw battle not only in WWI but also in WWII.

@@joshuasill1141 She was still the ship that impacted WW1 on both sides even if she did little by herself. There were no battleships before her and the minute she was built all other ships suddenly became antiques. I mean, what has the Gerald Ford battleship done so far? She was a mega project and maybe she will become incredible important in a future war but we don't know that. HMS Dreadnought influenced naval thinking over the world up to Pearl harbor and the sinking of the Prince of Wales. The other large class that came soon after were the battlecruisers but those fell out of favor after their poor performance during the battle of Jutland and were soon forgotten. Heck, you could argue that she was one of the reasons behind WW1 starting, when the Germans saw her they panicked and started to build their own similar ships which lead to the at the time good vibes between England and Germany got destroyed and lead to an armsrace.

It actually didn't change naval combat that much. The U.S. and Germany already had similar designs on the slipways before Dreadnought's keel was even laid. The entire concept is based on a well-known naval treatise from the late 1890s. Also, Dreadnought was not the largest ship in the world at the time, so I would hardly call it a "megaproject."

"And the dreadnoughts dread nothing at all"

Cannons are usually muzzle loading. Guns are breach loading.

Long as we're here (on nautical firearm terminology)... There's an interesting detail about the actual notation for naval guns, as opposed to similar terms for almost every other firearm or similar device in the world... The "big" guns come with two numbers and notations (at least, in the U.S. Navy)... rather than just a "12 inch gun"... It's popularly a "12 inch 50 caliber"... The "12 inch" part refers to the size of projectile and related barrel, from groove to groove in the rifling, 12 inches across... The "50 caliber" relates to the barrel length, which has to do with powder requirements, muzzle energy, and effective range of the thing... AND it indicates 50 "calibers" long, so you multiply 50 x 12 inches (effectively equivalent to 1 foot) to get 600 inches, or 50 feet long from breech to muzzle... Other popular "big" guns included the 3 and 5 inch 50 calibers, considered "big" because it requires more than one man to load, aim, and fire the thing... technically speaking... in a combat effective manner. Commonly (at least since they were originally produced and used) the Browning M2 and M2HB .50 caliber machine guns were (and are) employed on war-ships for use against smaller vessels and aircraft as well, but these fire the same half-inch or .50 ammunition from chain/belt feeds that any other machine gun or "50 caliber rifle" would use... Finally, there were (and are as far as I know) metric weapon designs, including the 25 mm, which is a considerably heavier permanently mounted weapon than the Browning M2, and is referred to as a "25 mike-mike" by most Naval personnel. It's a dubiously obscure set of details, but as long as we're sharing terminology and some of the "what it really means" around here... we can cover a bit more than guns being breech loaded while cannon are muzzle loaded... You might find it all interesting. ;o)

@@gnarthdarkanen7464 Always thought 50 cal just meant it was .50". Learn something new everyday.

@@fukkitful Yup... It's a different terminology at sea... Kinda thought it was interesting enough to share. If you happen to find an old version of the "Blue Jacket's Manual" it's the book given out at Navy Bootcamp for every recruit to read through (and hopefully learn) in the earliest months/years of his enlistment... There's some interesting information in there if you're interested... depending on the "era" of the publication... and your focus on historical contexts... ;o)

@Steve Lawson I'd suspected, but as I was never trained to be a tank commander (or gunner) I wasn't sure... AND while technically, you are correct, in actual speech with a sailor (at least a US Navy sailor), it's often going to be said "3 inch 50 caliber" when referring to a single gun... otherwise, a "3 inch 50" is a popular short-hand... AND I was trying to be specific to verbal communications... It's helpful when learning in conversation, and the "jump" isn't so big if someone starts reading the technical books and publications. ;o)

Zumwalt probably has a shed load of R&D costs to cover, the vast majority of Dreadnoughts R&D had already been done before planning for her commenced, minimising that portion of the cost.

It also lives on in song - specifically the title "Dreadnought" on Sabaton's recently released album "The War to end all Wars" - which is precisely about this very ship Simon has been talking about.

Dreadnought also lives on in basically being used to describe anything big, powerful or great, either in fiction or nonfiction.

The fundamental problem with being the one that revolutionized design or technology, whoever does it second gets to see and correct your mistakes.

@@jasonreed1631 Definitely - the rest of the Royal Navy really benefitted from it in WW1, which is why it had become obsolete, heh. These warships ended up being so valuable that they were "too valuable to lose", and only ever ended up in.. I want to say 2 engagements over the course of the war - Jutland being the main one, I cant recall of the top of my head where the other was - and spent most of their time in or around ports. Weird how that worked out

@@alyssinwilliams4570 There was another major engagement at The Falklands, before Jutland, that might be the one you are thinking of.

@@owenshebbeare2999 I would guess Gallipoli

I don't think britain had much of a choice at that time. I think this very issue you raise is the reason they didn't built Dreadnought earlier. But eventually their hand was forced. Satsuma was already under construction and the South Carolinas were being designed. At that moment, britain could either go ahead or risk falling behind. Improvements in firecontroll made the older armament style ineffective, so the change had to come eventually. I think the royal navy saw this coming for a while and I don't think they were happy about the prospect of having to replace all their expensive capital ships with an new class of even more expensive ones.

But the US, Japan, and Germany were all already either in the process of building their own dreadnoughts, or about to be. South Carolina actually started construction *before* Dreadnought. If the UK hadn't built it, they'd have fallen behind. The arms race was coming as soon as people figured out that was a smarter way to build a battleship.