This was very similar to the Imperial Japanese. The Imperial Japanese army and navy hated each other. The army believed that the Navy's only job was to transport the army to where they needed to go. Both tried to win the emperor's favor. The Japanese navy tended to have more of the aristocrats and richer recruits as well.

Generation Tech: “why the imperial Army and Navy HATE each other” That one Japanese viewer: “I’ve seen this one before!”

One other quote from Admiral Yamamoto was "In the first six to twelve moths of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then if the war continues after that, I have no expectations of success." Six months after Peral Harbor the Japanese attacked Midway.

I guess this is one thing that Palpatine does not even needed to mess with at all because such rivalry always existed before he came along.

I didn't realize that the Stromtroopers were part of the Imperial Army. I always figured they were part of the Imperial Navy. I always saw them as the Star Wars equivalent of Marines. The landing force of the Navy. Also because they are mainly stationed on Star Destroyers.

This kind of reminds me of a story I recently read about how the Imperial Japanese Navy and Army during WW2 hated each other. I wonder if SW EU writers were using that as an inspiration in their writing.

This is basically Japanese Empire inter-service rivalry lol. IJN: 'MORE STEEL FOR SHIPS' IJA: 'MORE STEEL FOR TANKS'

I enjoy the real life connections to the star wars universe. It's very informative and entertaining.

Interservice rivalry will also make a coup, mutiny or defection a lot harder, both in fiction and real life. That charismatic captain might be able to convince his crew to defect to the rebellion but the stormtrooper stationed aboard his ship probably have other views. And that Imperial Army general may be able to convert that planet into his personal domain, but without navy support, if will become his prison.

Man, some real Imperial Japanese vibes in this video Edit: Hadn't even watched this video yet, and it's been brought up

it’s like this in most real life countries; maybe not hatred, but a rivalry. In the UK there is a big rivalry between our two elite infantry units, Royal Marines (Navy) and Paras (Army). It’s definitely more of a friendly rivalry, especially since the Marines and Paras tend to be deployed and fight together very often. And it’s not uncommon to find a Para who’s actually completed the Marine commando training course and earned the green beret, or to find a marine who’s completed the Para course and earned the “wings”. Plus even other british military units in all branches can choose to complete the Marines or Para training courses.

At the end of the day, you're not going to win a war if you can't put boots on the ground. Palpatine put all his eggs on escalating aggression with orbital bombardments and planetary-killing WMDs. But you can't hold ANYTHING if you don't have boots on the ground. Never underestimate the importance of Infantry.

Simple. One is the Navy and the other is the Army. Aged old rivalry. Even in real life we have similar rivalry that even lead to several assassination attempts. I'm talking about the Imperial Japanese Army vs the Imperial Japanese Navy.

I love the perspective you put on rivalry, but what about joint operations? Just like in the real world we live on with coordinated Forces elements (ie: AirForce+Army or Navy+Marines) we saw similarity in ESB during the battle of Hoth. It is Vader's fleet invading with newly appointed Admiral Piett but its ground troop lead commander was General Veers in his green army fatigues, not an admiral or a Navy superseding the Snowtroopers. Once the Shields generators were destroyed, Veers passed on command to Vader for the next military target within Echo base itself. Would be cool to see more joint ops from the Empire and how successful or unsuccessful this has been.

Even with all the real world inter service rivalry we all have to be nice to the step kid, the Coast Guard. After all, recruiting got bad enough that they had to relax the rule on all applicants being at least 6 foot tall so that they could walk to shore if the boat sank.

In the Imperial Army being recruited from the working class and outer rim is one of the reasons why the empire fell With Palpatine gone and operation cinder, I'm quite sure a lot of the Imperial Army reassessed their loyalty

Love your content and how in depth you go into star wars.

I really enjoy this channel. It's helped me through rough times this year. My dad got me into Star Wars on Christmas in 1991, as soon as my mom let him show me... but now this is my 3rd Christmas alone since losing my dad in Fall 2020. Don't worry tho. I've healed a lot and its been much more manageable this year. Thanks for all the content! Truly.

Ya at least the US Army & US Navy tolerates one & other 😂

On the subject of Imperial Japan, Hideki Tojo, chief of its miltary was an absolute madman. The man would sooner see his country - and his people - driven to annihilation than accept defeat.

I think the strife was intentional because I get the feeling that the Sith are sorta Chaos Stupid, with a dash of Edgelordyness so they get off on the suffering and big dick power but have a bad organization that doesn’t mutually support each other.

Also I think that the Imperial Navy had troopers. THey just were rarely used. I know that when Solo was court martialled he was put into the naval troopers (and somehow the Navy had a substantial ground presence on Mimban).

Oh yea...I agree with "The Villages" references! They could definitely be Outer Rim and an Imperial retirement community all-in-one!

Very enjoyable. Many thanks to you and the team. I appreciate all the hard work every one puts in .merry Christmas. From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧

This was neat. I always love your star wars videos because they always go so deep into the lore that it really intrigues me and makes me love Star Wars even more. Plus its nice that you occasionally make comparisons between the Star Wars universe and the real world because it can put certain things into perspective. Thank you very much for this amazing gift and I hope you had a Merry Christmas and happy Holiday Alain and everyone else involved with Generation Tech.

Merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate man! Hope you have a great day in this crazy winter weather! Keep up the great work!👍🏼

This definitely makes me wish we get to see the lost Clone Wars story arc about the Clones in the army and navy going at each other in a "Top Gun" like story, with Rex and R2 being caught in the middle and flying together for a mission

I wish you had made this video during the week of the Army Navy game.

havent watched one of your videos since about 2018. This was nice to come across. Thanks Alan :)

This video was excellent. The content is usually good, dgmw, but this was especially punchy and succinct without lacking on detail, analysis, and historical analogues. It was just really good so I wanted to leave a comment for the algorithm.

This was an amazing video and only proves more as to why the republics military was much more effective because all the branches knew they needed each other. It also helped the fact that the clone soldiers which made up the majority of the republics forces had a deep sense of brotherhood to each other no matter the branch given they were literally brothers through cloning. I feel that despite the imperial militaries many advancements it had no hope of defeating the rebellion because the rebel forces as the very least were all untied while the empire’s military branches were bickering amongst each other. And it ultimately would be their petty rivalries and arrogance that would destroy them. So sad that very few imperial commanders knew this and basically had to deal with it.

very good analysis. I read a lot from the West End Games Star Wars RPG (and still own most of the books - including the imperial sourcebook) and this is a very good accompaniment to the series, filling in details from post-rulebook official content. Very impressed with this. Well thought-out and presented.

WOW as you were the talking through this I was thinking of the JIN and JIA, fantastic how you tied that in.

This is a really cool video, and I hadn't really seen the footage at 7:16 before, when the SD arrives, destroying the smaller ship--in theory would all the small rebel vessels have been destroyed when they collided in hyperspace with the massive destroyer too? (I guess they would've destroyed eachother idk)

I would love to see in Andor a discussion about how/if a military command structure can remain professional under toxic leadership. with the constant threat of summary execution present - how does that affect the decision making capabilities of leadership?

Great mix of in universe info and common sense about real world militaries, you just got a sub my good sir

Perfect content for a great Christmas morning. Merry Christmas Alan and Happy Holidays!

Reminds me of Commissioned V Non-Commissioned officers where if you were a NCO you got the job through acts of meritocracy, and instead if you were a commissioned officer you got the job by going to a school rather than getting the job because you stood out from your peers by displaying leadership capability. Napoleon was popular & successful because he promoted people like cooks to leadership role if they displayed great capability to lead other people, in comparison Napoleon's peers such as the British officer corp was more about aristocracy.

"Fleet does the flying, mobile infantry does the dying." - Johnny Rico Imperial TIE Fighter pilots: "We don't even have shields, life support systems, or a hyperdrive."

Very interesting, thank you

Great Video! I really enjoyed the real world historical links! Keep up the good work.

interestingly enough, there was a member of the Imperial Navy who also didnt think the Death Star was such a bright idea...it was one of the few, one of the VERY few, times that he and Vader actually agreed on something and found common ground...Grand Admiral Thrawn...

I'm curious if the Death Star commands were considered Navy or Army, or were their own thing? The deleted scene of Return of the Jedi where Moff Jerjerrod is concerned about the troops about to die if he fires on Endor is one of the best scenes in the saga, and they took it out.

Now that we got the Army, Stormtroopers/Marines, Imp Navy an if you think of TIE Bombers/Fighters as some kinda Air Force now we gotta see some kinda Imp Coast/National Guard

There’s so much funny going on in this video if you paying attention. When Alan taps his Cassio Tagg lol and when y’all were talking about space maps and showed a picture of Florida rofl. Subtle af

awesome video!

Hiyo! Long time fan. Just wanted to comment on a previous video, can't recall which, where it was mentioned that Imperial Stormtroopers were elite soldiers, not the army, and somewhat like the US Marines. The point being that like the marines, they needed the navy to bring them around. Reckon that's a little off. The original marine function was to protect ships from boarders during the age of sail. Small contingents on each ship; the US Navy still does this for the capital ships, mainly the carriers, these days protection against sabotage. Later, yes, the halls of Montezuma and the shores of Tripoli spoke of their close to shore activities. I reckon George Lucas saw the bucketheads as like the SS of WW2; clearly WW2 was his model in terms of dogfighting starfighters as well. The Waffen SS (the military wing of what started as Hitler's bodyguards) were also called stormtroopers and the term is based on the elite sturmtroppen of WW1, developed by Imperial Germany to break the deadlock on the Western Front. The way the bucketheads stand in formation is also clearly harkening back to the Nuremburg rallies, and not how modern armies, like the marines, stand in formation. Keep up the wonderful work, and wishing you and your families a Merry Christmas and a better 2023!

This is the type of discussion you'll never see in the sequels

One main advantage of having separate branches of Armed Forces is that the can become specialized in whatever service(s) you need, whereas if it were all lumped into one combined armed force, it would actually be more expensive, or suffer from reduced quality overall. Separate branches also allow for easier distribution of resources depending on the urgency or severity of the need. Need general peace keeping forces just to provide a presence as safety for civilians or to keep people from considering rebelling? Send in the fresh recruits out of basic. Does the enemy have a high presence of aircraft on a battlefield and you need air superiority? Call in the Air Force. Need to conduct highly covert, time sensitive and extremely volatile operations? Send in your specialists. Need to get them there quickly with logistical services and planning? Use the navy. Each branch has purpose behind their specialized training, whereas if they were all trained the same set of skills, you would have extreme difficulty being able to adapt to a changing battlefield situation, and it would cost an alarming amount of time and resources to train all of your forces. On the flip side, if you choose to only train the basics of each service ("Jack of all trades"), you would end up with a force of an overall reduced quality than if you allowed specialization.

Good job, I enjoyed the analysis

You do a very good staff analysis of the Starwars empire and well-done parallels with the Imperial Japanese Military. One would think you studied up using the US Army FMs and staff manual! Good job and well done. Thoroughly enjoyed this podcast episode.

Imperial Army and Navy hating each other Empire of Japan: "I think we all know where this is going" Empire let Death Star got "nuked" 2 times Empire of Japan: "First time?"

This explains why even Vader had a modicum of respect for the army and Storm troopers in general, and virtually none for the navy and its officers.

Thanks!

Alan I love your unique perspective, you truly give the Star Wars universe an in depth practical observation .

Stormtroopers are special forces and the only reason we saw them all the time in the movies is because the story followed high stakes events at the Empire’s most important locations being led by their top leaders like Vader and Veers. We need to see more regular Imperial Army and Navy in the future.

Very good! I can see that Lucasfilm got its inspiration from the Imperial Japanese Navy v Army interservice rivalry. I always thought the Storm Troopers were an independent arm like the US Marines though(but still overall subject to the Navy), rather than being part of the Army. The Navy's elite shock assault troops to be used for boarding actions and contested landings like on Hoth.

Great vid GenTech, I always enjoy your content.

Merry Christmas to you, Allen, and all your subscribers!

I wish we got to see some of this rivalry in the series and games. Maybe if we ever get an Empire centric one

Reminds me of the Japanese Imperial Navy and Army.

Outstanding video!

Love the connections to real life examples!

I wonder if the army and the navy of the Empire were based on the family rivalries as those of Imperial Japan were.

Sounds like the Galactic Imperial Navy, needed more Marine Corps units or even Legions to be more effective.

It’s funny that you added that “blink and you’ll miss it” shot of palm beach Florida because that’s where I was when I joined the 501st Stormtrooper Legion.

You said Dolphin Trap... 😆😆😆😆 Love your content Happy Holidays...

They remind me of the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy, constantly trying to get support for each other’s projects and getting the spotlight until the raid on Tokyo when they finally were like hold up we put the emperor’s life at risk…… work together?

The Imperial Army is so cool, I really want to see more of them!

awesome video man, keep it up

Merry Christmas, Alan.

Truly love your content, and love sharing in my Facebook Star Wars group 👍

The map of Florida popping up when you brought up primitive worlds 😭

Probably, there was also a huge rivalry over Imperial Football.

I love the subtle Florida slam. Well done

Great vid

I love the imperial army and want to see it a lot more

Did the Imperial Army have its own space forces beyond starfighters? Much like how the US Army has its own fleet of logistics and landing vessels. Did they have their own transports, supply vessels, fire support ships or were they totally dependent on the Imperial Navy?

HEYO! Thanks for the video and Merry Xmas to you too! 😁Happy holydays to everyone!

"From the safety of a ship's bridge and not necessarily the trenches which were far ore dangerous..." (Cue an image of bridge officers being force choked to death by Darth Vader).

I’d definitely join the join the army in the imperial military and not be around hella amounts of incompetency

Honestly, did any of the Imperial Military branches actually get along?

Merry Christmas Alan!

I forgot how much I enjoyed your videos

Reminds me of the rivalry between the Imperial Japanese Army and Imperial Japanese Navy.

Maybe because the Empire loves infighting?

Thank you for saying the F word. This is a Christmas present I've been waiting literal years for.

I only read the title and thought it was gonna be a Warhammer video, still wasn't disappointed

"Respect those Marines Ensign. We can turn the Himalayas into the Marianas trench, but what happens when they dig just four feet deeper? Marines dig 'em out. We move them, we protect them, and we supply them. Just because on paper we seem more important doesn't mean that some poor marine with a rifle isn't even more important. We are all cogs in a machine, grinding our foes beneath our equal boots." I wrote about a "Healthy" rivalry between a Star fleet and the Marines who actually take the land. This admiral is somewhat reprimanding an Ensign for their derogatory comment regarding the usefulness of ground pounders in the age of 1000mm orbital bombardment shells. Both (Generally) equally respect each other's roles. Also as a sidenote, Yamamoto's plan for Pearl Harbor was VERY different than how it actually played out. A. It wasn't meant as a surprise attack in the way it happened. A declaration of war was supposed to be submitted a few hours before the attack, but the usual typist was unavailable, resulting in the letter being delayed significantly. B. There was supposed to be a third wave which targeted fuel and dry docks, crippling the response. And C. The US Carriers were actually the primary targets not the battleships. However, as with the last one, the Navy had it's own inner rivalry which resulted in the admiral in charge of the attack actually prioritizing the battleships and leaving once "Surprise had worn off", leaving the Pacific fleet a very well intact base all things considered, as well as having what would become the most potent weapons of World War Two completely unharmed. Wonder if that sort of thing happened in Star Wars but kind of in reverse. Any Republic era officers who saw the benefit of a carrier, only to be undercut and unheard of by Battleship officers.

Merry Xmas Generation Tech crew

You won a new subscriber.

Nice insights into the Imperial Military :) Interservice rivalry is another thing why the Empire doesnt function. Slight correction though: Tagge and Vader weren't the only survivors of the conference scene, General Hurst Romodi reappeared in canon comic "Star Wars" 2020 again and became the Executor's Army commander after Empire Strikes back, replacing General Veers.

Did not expect a real life history lesson to be in here. That was a delightful treat!

"Fleet does the Flying! Mobile Infantry does the Dying!"

“Even primitive worlds” *Florida in the background* 🤣

3:03 Oof why did you have to do planet Florida dirty like that

Merry Christmas and happy Easter everyone

It’s just some service competition. Merry Christmas!

A good example of the IJN's closeness to the European maritime powers is the Naval Academy in Etajima. It was built from the same bricks as Britain's Naval Academy, thousands of bricks wrapped with care and imported from Britain, and the Academy itself was also designed by a British architect.

Watching Star Wars after joining the Navy is actually hilarious to me, seeing all the similarities is so funny and just makes me love it even more.