While Prince Bail Organa was the Prince-Consort of Alderaan, he was not the planet's monarch; that would be his wife, Queen Breha Organa. Also, Padme's reign was so popular that the Naboo contemplated a constitutional amendment so that she could stay in office after her second term of office, which she ultimately turned down. Her successor then asked her to continue to serve Naboo as Senator.

While all fair assessments, Satine very competently handled her position, but she had a very corrupt government to deal with, multiple sith vying for her planet, the whole war to stay against, a political terrorist organization attacking her people and her stance. So while things did not go well for Mandalore in the end, it seems to have little to do with her as a monarch. Much more to do with an almost unwinnable position. Even if she had been pro republic, thing would have ended bad for Mandalore none the less with the Sith's secret manipulations. Monarch or republic, Mandalore was likely doomed no matter what

“I love democracy” Sheev palpatine, a short while before crowning himself emperor like Caeser

The saddest part about this video is that all of these leaders were genuinely good people and rulers who either made a bad choice that seemed like the right one, they were forced into a no-win scenario, or both. However, I'd argue that Bail Organa saved the rest of the galaxy at the cost of his own planet since much of the rebellion's early success as well as the preservation of the Jedi order can be attributed to him.

Naboo wasn't destroyed during Operation: Cinder, though. The Rebel Alliance was able to fight back and destroy the Empire's superweapon satellites - thus freeing the planet again

Galactic Republic is more like a federation of many planets that have monarchies and corporations ruling them.

I would argue that Bail Organa doesn't count, as he was not the monarch. He was the consort to the Queen, so not a monarch, per se. His wife could potentially be on the list, as she did appear to approve of his actions.

One thing that confused me about S7 of the clone wars is that in season 4 at the end of the Onderon conflict Dooku says that a prolonged war doesn’t interest him and orders his army to withdraw from Onderon and go to Agamar (where they stayed until 4 BBY) but in S7 it seems that either Dooku or Greivous decided to attack Onderon again because Kenobi thinks that Garrera is asking for help.

Padme handled the Naboo Crisis, as well as any official, would have in her situation, royal or not, and Valorum was as stated incapable of doing anything effective for Naboo and in the end she led a successful insurrection that liberated her people with relatively few casualties given the Trade Federation's numbers. And it's not really fair to blame her for Palpatine, his rise to Chancellor was practically guaranteed the moment the Trade Federation showed up in the Chommell Sector, had she never escaped Naboo the sympathy Palpatine had gotten would have won him the Chancellorship just as effectively, that was even the original plan. As for everything after he became Chancellor, that was his work and Padme did spend years trying to counter him and even got a few small victories against him once she was a Senator. If you want to blame a Naboo monarch for dooming their planet then Padme's two predecessors would be better candidates for bringing Naboo to the Sith's attention in the first place and then nearly effectively selling their world to the Bando Gora, Black Sun, and the Hutts.

Is Padme even a queen in the real meaning of the word? She was voted into the position and only for a term, basically a democracy. She is only called queen because it sounds better to have Jedi knights rescuing the queen rather than rescuing the minister or president.

6:54 Hope we see Bail Organa in Andor Season 2 where he works with Mon Mothma the Idealist, Saw Guerrera the Radicalist and Luthen Rael the Pragmatist as the mediator of the three pillars of the Rebellion.

I wouldn’t judge a person based on what they were unable to prevent others from doing. Bail Organa for instance couldn’t prevent the destruction of his planet, but he isn’t the one responsible for it. Someone who actually intends to destroy a planet and then does, is responsible for destroying a planet; not someone who literally does everything they are capable of to prevent it. And it’s inaccurate to pin all the blame on them even for being unable to prevent it- they are just one of a multitude of different cooperative components that allowed that specific unfolding.

It just occurred to me how hated Naboo and Gungans must be in the galaxy. Padme and Jar Jar both gave power to Palpatine who himself became a dictator. I wonder if it made the galaxy see the inhabitants of Naboo as untrustworthy and manipulative?

Mon Cala should've had a dual monarchy system. Have a Quarren king and a Mon Calamari king who can veto each other, meaning that they have to work together to win.

I'm actually quite happy that Star Wars does have several examples of constitutional monarchies. Considering it's such a common form of government in the real world (I live in Canada, part of the British Commonwealth, and King Charles III is our Head of State), it's sadly under-represented in fiction. In my SW fanfics, I have a very effective constitutional monarchy. I gave that form of government to Thrawn's Legends Unknown Regions/Wild Space confederation, the Empire of the Hand. Thrawn's wife, Xelarra, is appointed Empress of the Hand, to reign over the civilian aspects of their confederation, while Thrawn is Supreme Commander of the military. Talk about a power couple!

1) Lee-Char came to the throne as an adolescent but the CIS murdered his father and started a civil war. If the CIS haven't intervened, Lee-Char would've been able to keep peace. I mean in the end he convinced the Quaren to join him and fight against the CIS. As for the Jedi, it was risky but he couldn't know that the Jedi had morality of Luthen Rael and was willing to sacrifice millions of Mon Calamari for the greater good. 2) As you've said, Bail wasn't the ruler of Alderaan; that was his wife Breha and Bail was only a consort. But I agree that he played a very risky game without consulting his people. I think that he was convinced that the Empire wouldn't touch a human core world like Alderaan and this underestimation turned to be a fatal mistake. 3) Ramsis Dendup paid for not choosing a side which made him no friends and a target at the same time. 4) Padme's age never made sense to me. I would understand if she would inherit a position but who would elect a pre-teen girl as a ruler? I always thought that it would've made more sense if she inherited the position - perhaps going through some test and beating her older sister - and later resigning to become a senator. I mean Episode 3 Padme would've been a much better ruler than Episode 1 Padme. 5) Satine was well intentioned but she totally ignored the Mandalorian traditions which logically provoked a backlash. Combine it with her neutral stance which made her no friends - similar to Onderon's Ramsis Dendup - it's no wonder that she was overthrown.

Actually, joining the Republic would attract no end of Confederate armies attacking Onderon. Most likely Grievous, Asajj, or Savage would show up to kill Dendup.

it's funny Allen thinks elected representatives are there because they are actually skilled at leadership

I mean the obvious one missed was Count Dooku of Serenno as he was the planets ruler, but there was also Queen Trios of Shu-Torun who screwed her world over among many,many others.

Can't believe you left out the biggest one, the Emperor.

I love how Generation Tech is the Indy Neidell of Star Wars. I love these knit bit videos. It really blows my mind how deep the lore really is.

Alternate title: how grimdark nature of the setting doomed these planets no matter what their monarchs did

King Dendu of Onderon, Leia Amidala of Alderaan, Queen Trios of volcano mining planet, Geonosian Queen of Geonosis, Emperor Palpatine the whole Empire, the Mon Cala and Quarren bickering, Pre Vizla on Mandalore. Quite a few planets messed by their leadership.

Melida/Dawn better be on this list since they started as a monarchy before splitting into two different sides of a civil war that went on for generations. Also there’s the Sith Family during the Dark Ages of the Republic.

To be fair only one of these examples that passes the muster when it comes to a ruler that domed his planet by his actions is Bail Organa. As the rest of them make mistakes that cause hardship and suffering at times for their planets, they all survived and flourished after them. Plus don't know what Padme is doing on this list as her reign is a golden age for Naboo and isn't even alive when Sidious goes all let Naboo burn with operation cindar.

When it comes to Duchess Satine, I cannot help but raising this question: Between a warmonger and a pacifist, who will make a better leader?

Wait, wait, wait. I thought Alderan blew up "in a mining incident" not as punishment for treason. Now I'm confused.

Ironic, Bail Organa could save the galaxy from death but not himself.

Padme calling for a vote of no confidence was the best thing she could have done for her people if Palpetine hadn't been a Sith lord/antidemocratic leader. And how could she have even known that?

so well put together, fast paced, cohesive, a masterclass

I would say it was Leia who doomed Alderaan, not Bail or his wife. Pretty sure it was picked for use as a demonstration because it was her homeworld, not because of rebel activities.

Si vis pacem, para bellum (To preserve peace, prepare for war) -Earth motto

Before king lee char died he would at least inspire his people to fight against the empire. Like ahsoka once said to him great leaders inspire greatness in others.

Thanks for the video

Have you ever considered doing some Elden Ring videos, it would be interesting to your channels take on The golden order of the Sun vs. the other factions in the game and giving the same wonderful treatment you do for Star Wars on the Jedi/Sith stuff

Let's be real, Mandolore was a lost cause. It made no difference who ruled the planet, Satine, Maul, Bo Katan. Would've been best just to leave them to fend for themselves and solve their own problems (or let them die). Better than just letting the planet continue to suffer.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, with a monarch, it’s paved in the blood of your subjects.

Great vid

You can apply the same reasoning against CEO’s and private company owners. Just looks at what’s happening to Facebook and Twitter atm

There's a say for good intentions. "The Pathway to hell is paved with good intentions"

The music for this episode was absolutely appropriate 😌🔥

I'm going to die on this hill, but his name is not Sheev. It's just palpatine, it's in black in white in the plagueis book. Palpatine is known by his cognomen alone. Meaning it's just Palpatine. Also I would blame the naboo monarch that joiner the republic and let the trade federation have plasma mining rights. Pad me was at the end of that whole scenario.

7:55 "Bale organa doomed his planet" *EPIC BEAT DROP*

I really like the video he makes he does a really good job

Maul Was the true ruler of Mandalore and owner of the darksaber , Bo-Katan was an honorless traitor.

A lot of "checks and balances" are just gentleman's agreements and not law. Like how to win the black saber and who rules Mandalor.

There was a long period of human history where monarchies and inherited rule made a fair amount of sense. You always want the best people for a job. And sadly, for a lot of human history, the common people just couldn't fit that bill. They didn't have access or time to education. While the rich, or those with noble titles did. So to a large degree, it made sense the ruling class would come from them. Normal people had to work too much and couldn't learn what what was needed for these positions. Obviously there is no reason for it now. And even then, often those privileged enough to have access to that learning wouldn't take advantage of it. But in theory at least it made sense for a lot of human history.

I read the as "5 Morons Who Doomed their Planets" and with this channel I believed it. Didn't realize what it actually said until after excitedly clicking. A+

A lot of these have nothing to do with their governments being monarchies

Funny he didnt mention Emperor Sheev Palpatine as he screwed over the whole galaxy.

Your hindsight made some of the decisions seem allot worse than they where.

Very small gripe, but the Corellian Corvette seen in RotS is actually the Tantive III. Very creative, I know.

6:53 that's actually Tanitive 3 or the Sundered Heart, depending on which timeline you are talking about

Bail Organa was never a monarch, he was just a consort who married the Queen of Alderan.

Speaking of Monarchs what happened to British Ben?

I think your list is very severe to Padmé and Satine. Padmé saved her world. Satine wasn’t an ineffective ruler

You should do an episode on Jaster's legacy

Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please

Poggle the Lesser & Queen Karina the Great of Geonosis 😮‍💨

Thanks for the 5 minutes social study lesson before getting into the video

Valahari better be on here

Hey, I've long enjoyed your videos, but I have a tricky question... How shielded was Alderaan when the DS1 obliterated it? Star Trek has shown a wide range of planetary shielding, between the Planetary Shields from TOS's "Whom Gods Destroy", where the shields were well above the strength it would take to vaporized a planet's core (in that the Enterprise couldn't use less than planet busting firepower to pierce the shields sufficiently to use a transporter through them... and that firepower would cause planetary collapse faster than an away team could beam down on the opposite side of said planet from where the phasers pierced the planetary shields) To in DS9, the Founder's World, where a sustained bombardment from 2 whole fleets couldn't take down the planetary shields in "The Die is Cast" before the Founder's fleet arrived to enact their trap. (DS9 era weapons included star and solar system consuming weapons/science project gone wrong of the week enough times, that this is an appropriate assumption for what the Cardassians and Romulans would load into their torpedos) Now for my question... on a scale from off(0), to Planetary (Whom Gods Destroy), to Stellar (The Die is Cast), tier shielding... how powerful were the planetary shields on Alderaan when the Death Star 1 destroyed it without warning? Star Wars makes it rather difficult to understand how powerful their shielding is, but always gives great spectacle once things start exploding

Be it monarchies or democracies, the problem of the government remains the same

Please play the contractors battlefront mod

Now i realize that Padme and Bail Organa, despite beign so fond on democracy and so anti-authoritarian... they came from planet with a monarchy as ruling system.

I thought the Republic was similar to the European Union and NATO where sovereign planets in the Core had a simple union based on similar common law, trade, defense and regulation for navigation coordinates. It wasn’t until the Republic expanded out of the Core where planets lost more autonomy as more power was funneled to the central government.

A monarchy is a good government type for the unstable, divided regions of the Galaxy-like Mandalore, Onderon and Calamari....

Tarkin blew up Alderaan for shits and giggles.

The king of Onderon was right. By your logic, the king of Sweden was the only good monarch in Europe during WW2 as all the others had their country attacked by the Nazi's.

As a proud follower of the old ways of Mandalor, the Duchess weakened her mighty people. Warriors sor fearsome that just seeing a small group of them waa enough to rethink ones actions, one of the very few non force sensitive races that could fight the jedi and win. The Duchesses sister Bo Katan dishonoured her clan by refusing to acknowledge Maul was the new Mandalor under the rite of combat and the old ways are clear that Mandalorian isn't a race or species its a idea and you can't kill ideas.

they should all take over sytems and sell tea wait a minute

I know that this isn’t about the video but who ships obi one and satins more then ankin and padma

We didn't include Queen Trayos? She messed up so hard, the REBELLION sanctioned her planet.

sadly many current democracies are not based on merit but based on wealth

Technically you can include Palpatine with Coruscant

Love your videos. I think you mis-spoke when you called a monarchs people's, "constituents". I believe a more accurate term would be "subjects" as they don't actually vote in a monarch. Anywho, back to your normal programming. lol

It's funny that you bash monarchies because they're unqualified, yet Star Wars has no shortage of democratically-elected representatives who were far worse than the monarchs you listed. From the electoral side you have: Senator Orn Free Taa and his predecessor, Senator Connus Trell, Senator Dagonet, Chancellor Valorum, Senator Onaconda Farr, Senator Mee Deechi, Senator Halle Burtoni, Senator Tal Merrik, and the many senators who just blindly went with the Empire and allowed it to grow in power. The "silent majority" if you will. Not to mention that despite being elected politicians, the Senators mostly did nothing about the weaknesses of the Republic and even profited from it instead of fixing it, which gave Palpatine and Plagueis their opening to manipulate things and lead the galaxy to ruin. Which kinda makes them worse than Emperor Palpatine considering that he actually tried to fix the galaxy's problems in his own violent way. And yes, without the likes of Bail, Leia, and their friends, you wouldn't have a Rebel Alliance, and Palpatine would've just ruled the galaxy for life. So if anything, Star Wars is the story of the God-ordained monarchy and the aristocracy saving the galaxy from a monster that the people elected. And even the Empire was a better choice when compared to any space democracy in Star Wars, since it provided jobs, got a lot of people working, and provided genuine welfare for its subjects. Quite literally, the Senate was always full of corruption (LOL they voted in the Pius Dea cult in the past) and it was the Republic military and the Jedi Order that kept them honest for 24,000 years.

Wish for more Avatar content soon.

Mambo #5 😂

Long live the King.

Mambo #5?

Amidala was elected Queen.

The Royal family of Shu Torum. The father of Queen Trios.

naga sadow definitely

Why didn't Palpatine wait till valurums term was over

for the empire

Both Senator Padme and Ja Ja Binks had vuturally no experience with nuances and procedures of Republic Senate. Both were being manipulated by Darth Sidious whom they didn't realize has own ambitions for power.

Star Wars 🔥

All were good leaders,just misplaced in their leadership skills in varying places. Things that led to the downfall of themselves and their people.

Queen Trios of Shu-Torun

Emperor Palpatin. He doomed many planets.

Too real. Cause this is Earth and every president or leader of any industrialized nation.

Ok so just because Satine isn't corrupt doesn't give her slack as far as competence or correctness. My take is that her politics pretty much marginalized all the clan leaderships so even though she had beaten Death Watch and enforced pacifism, it was on a very thin pillar of support. Because of this, the ranks of her administration were flooded by corrupt opportunists who else would play along with her radical political views? She tried changing the Mandalorian culture by fiat and it came right back and killed her. Maybe if she didn't upend things so dramatically and built a governing federation of the moderate clans, she could have arrested the Mandalorian cycle of violence while also having a stronger leg to stand on. She kept all her resources at home by not getting involved in war, and she STILL ended up losing to a coup so clearly her centralized authority was tenuous at best. Having other clans friendly to her might have saved everything. Also, the GAR was really interested in mandalorian warriors, so she missed a huge opportunity to gain influence for the poor planet instead of remaining friend to none. The thing about monarchs is that they are not about innovation or ideology, they are about stability and continuity. You have to put asidr personal preferences and act in the name of the planet itself. I think she joins Ned Stark as cautionary tales of leaders who got too stuck in their good intentions.

Monarchs "loved by their constituents". By the literal definition they're subjects, not constituents...

seems like most monarchs

On God it's Dak bro, Mon-Cala is a Calamari supremacist term. Quarren representation.

Mandalore is the Krieg of Star Wars

I've always felt a bit annoyed with the thesis of this video... you have completely missed the point of monarchy the point of monarchy is that if you have an individual whose social and political status is *always* higher than every other individual, so that they automatically win any political conflicts they enter into, that person can feel secure in their position and therefore becomes immune to a huge swath of the ordinary kinds of unproductive incentives that political actors have. nobody ever thinks kings are more competent. sometimes kings *are* more competent, and when they are they get called heroes, but your ordinary bog-standard royal was usually thought of as being rather boring monarchs get to exist above factionalism and partisanship, because their status does not hang on any particular outcome. this is really freakin important, especially if your civilization hasn't invented political science yet and you simply don't have enough institutional capacity to maintain a complicated government. the various factions and parties and tribes will fight amongst themselves, but the monarch always gets to stand above as referee, and each side is better off for it because without the referee it would devolve into open civil war and you'd get conquered by an outside power. the only kind of political situation the monarch must fear is a movement which challenges the monarch's legitimacy. Even if everyone involved is in full agreement that the monarch is of infinite status, questions over *which individual is the monarch* rear their ugly head like clockwork nearly every single succession, and once the idea of republicanism reentered the world with the french revolution, the idea of unanimous support of a monarch's legitimacy became absurd, and now the whole idea is completely untenable but it *used* to serve a very important purpose. And even today, in some places! I think people underestimate the intelligence of the late Queen of England. She successfully found a way to genuinely act as a referee, and be treated as such, while remaining convincingly uninvolved in the actual political conflict she was refereeing. I think she showed that even politically powerless monarchs can still retain a kind of 'authority' status, not by serving as a head of state but by serving as the ultra-respected wise old woman who nobody wants to fight in front of. It would have all fallen apart in an instant if she had ever endorsed a party in an election, and she recognized that, and found a way to genuinely contribute nonetheless. this is ordinarily the kind of information i expect you to know, and convey way more succinctly than i can, and i was just a little disappointed that the first few minutes of this video are just "yeah monarchy didn't work as well as democracy because sometimes the monarch is a crazy sith lord, anyway starwars had a lot of good monarchs surprisingly! let's examine them"

Kryze (pronounced Kreez). Alan, I beg you to listen to some of the audiobooks (specifically for name pronunciations) or watch Clone Wars. You have a blind spot with some of the pronunciations.

Too bad satine wanted to move away from Mandalorian war-like society but her military and defense was weakened significantly.